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== Bot stopped ==
'''Susan Sarandon''' (born '''Susan Abigail Tomalin'''; October 4, 1946) is an [[United States|American]] [[actress]]. She has worked in films and television since 1970, and won an Oscar for her performance in the 1995 film, ''[[Dead Man Walking (film)|Dead Man Walking]]''. She is also noted for her social and political activism for a variety of [[Liberalism|liberal]] causes.


Per concerns at [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)]], I have stopped Lightbot for the time being. Please address the concerns there and be able to demonstrate consensus for the de-linking of dates before proceeding. Thanks, [[User:Shereth|<b><font color="#0000FF">Sher</font></b>]]<b><font color="#6060BF">[[User_talk:Shereth|eth]]</font></b> 16:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
==Biography==
===Early life===
Sarandon, the eldest of nine children, was born '''Susan Abigail Tomalin''' in [[New York City]], the daughter of Lenora Marie ([[married and maiden names|née]] Criscione) and Phillip Leslie Tomalin, who worked as an advertising executive, television producer, and [[nightclub]] singer during the [[big band]] era.<ref name="guardian">[http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,,1733454,00.html ''A fine romancer'']. The Guardian. 18 March 2006.</ref><ref>[http://www.filmreference.com/film/57/Susan-Sarandon.html ''Susan Sarandon biography'']. Film Reference.com.</ref> Sarandon's father was of [[England|English]], [[Ireland|Irish]], and [[Wales|Welsh]] ancestry and her mother was of [[Sicily|Sicilian]]/[[Italy|Italian]] descent;<ref name="roots">[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_east/6189848.stm ''Sarandon learns about Welsh roots''] News.bbc.co.uk. 28 November 2006</ref><ref name="guardian"/> the family was [[Roman Catholic]]. In 2006, Sarandon and 10 of her relatives (including her significant other [[Tim Robbins]] and her son Miles) traveled to [[Wales]] to trace her family's Welsh genealogy. Their journey was documented by the [[BBC Wales]] programme, ''Coming Home: Susan Sarandon''.<ref name="roots"/>


:Don't re-start the bot with the boilerplate "See owner talk" message; there is nothing here on your talk page that addresses the concerns at [[WT:MOSNUM]]. If the bot re-starts itself without a resolution to the concerns at that talk page, I will block it. [[User:Shereth|<b><font color="#0000FF">Sher</font></b>]]<b><font color="#6060BF">[[User_talk:Shereth|eth]]</font></b> 22:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Sarandon graduated from [[Edison High School (New Jersey)|Edison High School]], in [[Edison, New Jersey]], in 1964. She then attended [[The Catholic University of America]] from 1964 to 1968, earning a BA in drama, and working with noted drama coach and master teacher, Father [[Gilbert Hartke]].


Please try to be less aggressive. Removal of the word 'stop' is not the same as running the bot. [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 22:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
===Career===
In 1969, Sarandon went to a casting call for the motion-picture ''[[Joe (film)|Joe]]'' with her then husband [[Chris Sarandon]]. Although he did not get a part, she was cast in a major role of a disaffected teen who disappears into the seedy underworld (the film was released in 1970). Five years later, she appeared in the [[cult following|cult]] favorite ''[[The Rocky Horror Picture Show]]''. That same year, she also played the female lead in ''[[The Great Waldo Pepper]]'', opposite [[Robert Redford]]. Her most controversial film appearance was in ''[[The Hunger]]'' in 1983, a modern [[vampire]] story which turned out to be a critical and [[box office]] flop. The film has gained some cult status for a rather graphic [[lesbian]] love scene between Sarandon and co-star [[Catherine Deneuve]]. It was the first mainstream American film to feature such a scene between two star actresses. However, Sarandon did not become a "household name" until her breakthrough in the 1988 film ''[[Bull Durham]]''. which became a huge commercial and critical success.


:Please try to be more descriptive. I will grant that removal of the word 'stop' is not the same as running the bot, but without more of a justification than "See owner talk" (which is not only undescriptive but somewhat dishonest considering there was no discussion regarding the concern whatsoever) it can only be interpreted as a precursor to a resumption of the bot. I won't immediately take action if the 'stop' is removed, but if it does resume de-linking years/dates without a resolution to the above referenced discussion it will be blocked. [[User:Shereth|<b><font color="#0000FF">Sher</font></b>]]<b><font color="#6060BF">[[User_talk:Shereth|eth]]</font></b> 22:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Sarandon received five Academy Award nominations for best actress, in ''[[Atlantic City (film)|Atlantic City]]'' (1981), ''[[Thelma & Louise]]'' (1991), ''[[Lorenzo's Oil]]'' (1992), and ''[[The Client]]'' (1994), finally winning in 1995 for ''[[Dead Man Walking (film)|Dead Man Walking]]''. Her other movies include ''[[Stepmom (film)|Stepmom]]'' (1998), ''[[Anywhere but Here (film)|Anywhere but Here]]'' (1999), ''[[Cradle Will Rock]]'' (1999), ''[[The Banger Sisters]]'' (2002), ''[[Shall We Dance (2004 film)|Shall We Dance]]'' (2004), ''[[Alfie (2004 film)|Alfie]]'' (2004), ''[[Romance & Cigarettes]]'' (2005) and ''[[Elizabethtown (film)|Elizabethtown]]'' (2005).


Thanks. The text on the bot page directs people to this page. The 'see owner talk' is a standard response to reinforce that and it comes up anyway under autocomplete. I will remove the word 'stop' and we can see what happens at wp:mosnum. [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 22:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Sarandon has appeared in two episodes of ''[[The Simpsons]]'', one as herself ("[[Bart Has Two Mommies]]"), and another as a ballet teacher, "[[Homer vs. Patty and Selma]]". She has made appearances on the shows ''[[Friends]]'', ''[[Malcolm in the Middle]]'', ''[[MADtv|Mad TV]]'', ''[[Saturday Night Live]]'', ''[[Chappelle's Show]]'', and ''[[Rescue Me (TV series)|Rescue Me]]''.


:Yes, well, an accusation of dishonesty ''is'' rather aggressive, don't you think, Shereth? I'd be pleased if you were seen to act in a totally disinterested manner in this matter. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 08:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Sarandon has contributed the narration to some two dozen [[documentary film]]s, many dealing with social and political issues; in addition, she has served as the presenter on many installments of the [[PBS]] documentary series, ''[[Independent Lens]]''. In 2007 she hosted and presented ''[[Mythos (film)|Mythos]]'', a series of lectures by the late American mythology professor [[Joseph Campbell]].<ref>http://www.jcf.org/works.php?id=680</ref>


::As would I you, Tony. — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 12:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Sarandon joined the cast of the adaptation of ''[[The Lovely Bones]]'', opposite [[Rachel Weisz]], and appeared with her daughter, [[Eva Amurri]], in ''Middle of Nowhere''; both of the movies were filmed in 2007.<ref>[http://www.dailyindia.com/show/160761.php/Susan-Sarandon-set-to-star-in-The-Lovely-Bones "Susan Sarandon set to star in 'The Lovely Bones' "]. DailyIndia.com. 27 July 2007.</ref><ref>Chupnick, Steven. [http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6249 "Susan Sarandon on Speed Racer"]. Superhero Hype.com. 25 August 2007.</ref>
:::I make no pretence to be disinterested in this matter; on the contrary, I'm flying the flag for a more disciplined and sensitive approach to our unique and valuable wikilinking system, to strengthen it. But it is not I who have taken administrative action in stopping the bot. The rules for admins are quite clear: that such actions should not be taken where the admin has any personal stake in the outcome. Please read those rules. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 13:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


::::Point of information, nobody has taken any administrative action yet. -[[User:Chunky Rice|Chunky Rice]] ([[User talk:Chunky Rice|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Most recently, Sarandon joined the cast of "Peacock" starring opposite [[Ellen Page]], [[Cillian Murphy]], [[Bill Pullman]] and [[Josh Lucas]]. Filming will take place in Des Moines, Iowa.


Is a block an administrator action? [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 13:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
===Personal life===
:Have you or your bot been blocked? -[[User:Chunky Rice|Chunky Rice]] ([[User talk:Chunky Rice|talk]]) 14:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
While in college, she met and married fellow student [[Chris Sarandon]] in 1967. They divorced in 1979 and she retained her married name as her [[stage name]].<ref name="bio">[http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/Susan_Sarandon/196734#fullBio ''Susan Sarandon'']. Hollywood.com.</ref>


Has a block threat been issued? [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 14:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
In 1981, readers of [[Playboy]] magazine voted hers the Best Celebrity Breasts of the Summer of 1981. In response, she said, "It must seem to a lot of people that I am always naked or making love in my films. I think it's very hard to be in a scene and not be upstaged by your nipples".<ref>[http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/film/biographies/susan_sarandon_biog/7 Susan Sarandon Biography]</ref>
:Is that an administrator action? -[[User:Chunky Rice|Chunky Rice]] ([[User talk:Chunky Rice|talk]]) 14:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


Who else can issue block threats? [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 14:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
In the mid-1980s, Sarandon dated director Franco Amurri, with whom she had a daughter in 1985, actress [[Eva Amurri]].<ref name="bio"/> Since 1988, Sarandon has been in a relationship with actor [[Tim Robbins]], whom she met while filming ''[[Bull Durham]]''. The couple have two sons: Jack Henry (born 1989) and Miles Guthrie (born 1992).<ref name="bio"/> Sarandon and Robbins are often involved in the same social and political causes. They live in New York City.
:Any editor - see all of our warning templates. -[[User:Chunky Rice|Chunky Rice]] ([[User talk:Chunky Rice|talk]]) 14:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


Is Shereth an administrator? [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 14:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
===Political activism===
:How many roads must a man walk down, before you can call him a man? -[[User:Chunky Rice|Chunky Rice]] ([[User talk:Chunky Rice|talk]]) 14:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Susan Sarandon Tnz.jpg|right|thumb|Susan Sarandon with [[Tanzania]]n Children in [[Dar es Salaam]], 2000]]
Sarandon is noted for her active support of [[Progressivism_in_the_United_States#Contemporary_progressivism|progressive]] and [[left-liberal]] political causes, ranging from donations made to organizations such as [[EMILY's List]]<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Susan_Sarandon.php |title=Susan Sarandon's Federal Campaign Contribution Report |accessdate=2008-01-13 |format= |work=Newsmeat.com }}</ref> to participating in a 1983 delegation to [[Nicaragua]] sponsored by [[MADRE]], an organization that promotes "social, environmental and economic justice."<ref>{{cite web |url=http://madre.org/about/mission.html |title=Mission and History |accessdate=2008-01-10 |format= |work=Madre.org }}</ref> Sarandon has also expressed support for various [[tolerance]] and [[human rights]] causes that are similar philosophically to ideas found among the [[Christian left]].<ref>{{cite web | last =Sheahen | first =Laura | authorlink = | coauthors = | title ='The Power of One': Interview with Susan Sarandon | work = | publisher = BeliefNet| date = | url =http://www.beliefnet.com/story/170/story_17020_1.html | format = | doi = | accessdate =2008-01-14 }}</ref>


Five hundred and seventy six. Does the phrase:
In 1995 Sarandon was one of many Hollywood actors, directors and writers who were interviewed for the documentary, ''[[The Celluloid Closet]],'' which looked at how Hollywood films have depicted [[homosexuality]].
* ''I will block it
mean something other than 'I will block it'? [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 14:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


:*Is that a rhetorical question? -[[User:Chunky Rice|Chunky Rice]] ([[User talk:Chunky Rice|talk]]) 14:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
In 1999, she was appointed [[UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador]] and in that capacity has actively supported the organization's global advocacy, as well as the work of the Canadian [[UNICEF]] Committee.


[[If a tree falls in a forest|Did you read it that way?]] [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 14:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Susan Sarandon by David Shankbone.jpg|thumb|left|175px|Susan Sarandon in April 2007]]
:This conversation is making me dizzy. --[[User:Closedmouth|Closedmouth]] ([[User talk:Closedmouth|talk]]) 05:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
During the [[U.S. presidential election, 2000|2000 election]], Sarandon supported [[Ralph Nader]]'s run for President, serving as a co-chair of the National Steering Committee of Nader 2000.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.nvri.org/library/cases/Becker/beckercomplaint.shtml |title=Becker Complaint: Becker, et al. vs. Federal Election Commission |accessdate=2008-01-14 |format= |work=NVRI.org }}</ref> However, during the [[U.S. presidential election, 2004|2004 election campaign]], she withheld support for Nader's bid, being among several "Nader 2000 Leaders" who signed a petition urging voters to vote for Democratic Party candidate [[John Kerry]].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091504V.shtml |title= Nader 2000 Leaders United to Defeat Bush |accessdate=2008-01-14 |format= |work=Truthout.org press release, September 14, 2004 }}</ref>


== Formatting on Talk pages ==
Sarandon and Robbins both took an early stance against the [[2003 invasion of Iraq]], with Sarandon stating that she was firmly against the concept of the war as a pre-emptive strike.<ref>[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/03/special/world/sp_world_sarandon021303.htm''Iraq: Antiwar Voices'']. ''[[Washington Post]],'' February 13, 2003.</ref> Prior to a 2003 protest sponsored by the [[United for Peace and Justice]] coalition, she said that many Americans "do not want to risk their children or the children of [[Iraq]]."<ref>[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/14/earlyshow/living/main540658.shtml "Sarandon To Bush: Get Real On War",] [[CBS News]], February 14, 2003.</ref> Sarandon was one of the first to appear in a series of political ads sponsored by [[TrueMajority]], an organization established by [[Ben & Jerry's|Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream]] founder [[Ben Cohen (businessman)|Ben Cohen]].<ref>{{cite news |first=Charlie |last=Brennan |authorlink= |author= |coauthors= |title=Cry for peace heard on web: Activists using Internet to spread word against war |url=http://www.causecommunications.com/whoweare/rockymtnnews.html |format= |work= |publisher=[[Rocky Mountain News]] |pages= |page= |date=February 8, 2003 |accessdate=2008-01-11 |language= |quote= }}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77195,00.html |title=Anti-Iraq Ad Features Leader of Bush's Church |accessdate=2008-01-14 |format= |work=Fox News }}</ref> Also in 2003, Sarandon appeared in a "Love is Love is Love" commercial, promoting the acceptance of [[gay]], [[lesbian]], [[bisexual]] and [[transgender]] individuals.


Good afternoon, Lightmouse. In [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)&diff=prev&oldid=242491978 this edit], you inserted a large number of blank lines between the individual comments in a discussion thread. Please don't do that again. Many common browsers fail to interpret the nested indentation properly when you insert blank rows like that. The browser interprets the paragraph break as an instruction to restart the indentation and inserts a blank line for every level of indentation of the subsequent comment. Rather than showing up immediately below the preceding comment, a level-six indentation shows up six blank lines below. The page ended up with massive amounts of wasted white space and was extraordinarily difficult to read. It probably doesn't matter for short discussions with only one or two layers of indentation but when long discussions reach deep levels of indentation, it gets very disruptive.
In 2004, she served on the advisory committee for the group [[2004 Racism Watch]]<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0331-04.htm| publisher=Common Dreams | title=2004 Racism Watch Calls On Bush-Cheney Campaign to Change or Pull Offensive Ad | accessdate=2008-10-04}}</ref>.


Thanks. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] <small>[[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]]</small> 17:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
She hosted a section of the [[Live 8]] concert in [[Edinburgh]], [[Scotland]], in 2005.


:Hmm. I didn't know that it caused problems for browsers. I was trying to make it easier to read when in edit mode. Furthermore, I wish there was somewhere that we could discuss such matters. I often read Wikipedia on very small screens and six level indents can make text disappear off to the right, so I wish there was a way to let people know that alternate indenting does not cause that problem. In addition, some people use bullets and others use plain indents. I can't think of a good place for such discussions, including what you say. Any suggestions. [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 22:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Along with anti-war activist [[Cindy Sheehan]], Sarandon took part in a 2006 [[Mother's Day]] protest sponsored by [[Code Pink]]<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195535,00.html |title=Susan Sarandon Joins Cindy Sheehan to Protest Iraq War |accessdate=2008-01-14 |format= |work=Fox News, May 15, 2006 }}</ref>; she has expressed interest in portraying Sheehan in a movie.<ref>Asthana, Anushka. [http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1764628,00.html ''Sarandon tells of Iraq death threat'']. The Observer. 30 April 2006.</ref> In January 2007, she appeared with Robbins and [[Jane Fonda]] at an [[anti-war]] rally in [[Washington, D.C.]] in support of a Congressional measure to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq.<ref>Hunt, Kasie. [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/24/ap/entertainment/mainD8MRUSCO0.shtml ''Anti-War Actress Bored by Iraq Pitch'']. CBS News. January 24, 2007.</ref>
:: Let me clarify that it doesn't cause problems for all browsers. Firefox correctly interprets indentation even with the skipped spaces. Internet Explorer, on the other hand, ... (I should stop typing on the "if you can't say something nice" principle.) <br> Perhaps one of the Manual of Style sheets has some help for the general case of making your comments more readable. I do know that there is some discussion in the [[Wikipedia:Guide to deletion|Guide to deletion]] but that's specific to the narrow case of AfD discussions (where the established norm is indented bullets). <br> I find that bullets make it much easier to tell where one person's comment ends and another begins. I usually follow the format of the previous editors (and most others do the same) but if I have the chance, I almost always use bullets. The downside to bullets is that you have to use the <nowiki><br></nowiki> command to force a line return. Otherwise, your comment gets separated from your signature. When reading in edit mode, the reader sees a gray block of text. This comment would be an excellent example. Miserable, isn't it? <br> The page about "modifying the comments of others" does include a specific exception to allow refactoring the discussion to standardize the indentation. You could always just pick a style for that discussion and straighten it out if it's especially confusing. I will often do that if I'm going to comment on a discussion. But there's no set standard that applies for all discussions that I know of and I wouldn't hold out much hope for forcing such a standard. <br> On your related question of deep indentation flowing off the right of small screens, perhaps we can ask the developers to do something with the CSS. They might be able to build some code into the style sheet and vary the presentation of the page based on the reader's screen width. That would probably be a Village Pump request. <br> If I find an MOS discussion page, I'll send a link. Please copy me if you find one first. Thanks. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] <small>[[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]]</small> 16:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


Thanks. I try to rule IE out of my life but it is difficult to wean webdevelopers off it. I will ask at the village pump now about small screens. Thanks for all your other helpful thoughts. [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 16:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
In 2006 she was one of eight women selected to carry in the [[Olympic flag]] at the Opening Ceremony of the [[2006 Olympic Winter Games]] in [[Turin, Italy]]
On May 29, 2008 Sarandon announced that she would move to [[Canada]] or [[Italy]] if [[John McCain]] is elected [[President of the United States]].<ref>[http://adaeveningnews.com/editorials/local_story_152192449.html?keyword=topstory AdaEveningNews.com - Ada, Oklahoma - Sarandon vows to “quit” America<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref><ref>[http://www.nypost.com/seven/05292008/gossip/liz/pollack_was_loved_112946.htm by Liz Smith], [[New York Post]], 5/29/08 </ref>


== Your edit to Mary Shelley ==
==Body of work==
===Filmography===
{| class="wikitable"
! Year
! Film
! Role
! Other notes
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|1970
| ''[[Joe (film)|Joe]]''
|Melissa Compton
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|-
|rowspan=2|1971
| ''Lady Liberty''
|Sally
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|-
| ''The Apprentice''
|Elizabeth Hawkins
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|-
|rowspan=3|1974
| ''[[Lovin' Molly]]''
|Sarah
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|-
| ''The Rimers of Eldritch''
|Patsy Johnson
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|-
| ''[[The Front Page (1974 film)|The Front Page]]''
|Peggy Grant
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|-
|rowspan=2|1975
| ''[[The Great Waldo Pepper]]''
|Mary Beth
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|-
| ''[[The Rocky Horror Picture Show]]''
|Janet Weiss
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|-
|1976
| ''Dragonfly''
|Chloe
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|-
|rowspan=3|1977
| ''Checkered Flag or Crash''
|C.C. Wainwright
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|-
| ''[[The Other Side of Midnight (film)|The Other Side of Midnight]]''
|Catherine Alexander Douglas
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|-
| ''The Last of the Cowboys''
|Ginny
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|-
|rowspan=2|1978
| ''[[Pretty Baby (1978 film)|Pretty Baby]]''
|Hattie
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|-
| ''[[King of the Gypsies (film)|King of the Gypsies]]''
|Rose
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|-
|1979
| ''Something Short of Paradise''
|Madeline Ross
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|-
|rowspan=2|1980
| ''[[Atlantic City (film)|Atlantic City]]''
|Sally Matthews
|Nominated - [[Academy Award for Best Actress]]
|-
| ''[[Loving Couples]]''
|Stephanie
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|-
|1982
| ''[[Tempest (1982 film)|Tempest]]''
|Aretha Tomalin
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|-
|1983
| ''[[The Hunger]]''
|Dr. Sarah Roberts
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|-
|1984
| ''[[The Buddy System (film)|The Buddy System]]''
|Emily
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|-
|1985
| ''[[Compromising Positions]]''
|Judith Singer
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|-
|1987
| ''[[The Witches of Eastwick (film)|The Witches of Eastwick]]''
|Jane Spofford
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|-
|rowspan=2|1988
| ''[[Bull Durham]]''
|Annie Savoy
|Nominated - [[Golden Globe]]
|-
| ''Sweet Hearts Dance''
|Sandra Boon
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|-
|rowspan=2|1989
| ''[[The January Man]]''
|Christine Starkey
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|-
| ''[[A Dry White Season]]''
|Melanie Bruwer
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|-
|1990
| ''[[White Palace (film)|White Palace]]''
|Nora Baker
|Nominated - [[Golden Globe]]
|-
|1991
| ''[[Thelma & Louise]]''
|Louise Elizabeth Sawyer
|Nominated - [[Academy Award for Best Actress]];<br>Nominated - [[BAFTA Award]]; Nominated - [[Golden Globe]]
|-
|rowspan=4|1992
| ''[[The Player]]''
|Herself
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|-
| ''[[Light Sleeper]]''
|Ann
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|-
| ''[[Bob Roberts]]''
|Tawna Titan
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|-
| ''[[Lorenzo's Oil]]''
|[[Michaela Odone]]
|Nominated - [[Academy Award for Best Actress]]; Nominated - [[Golden Globe]]
|-
|rowspan=3|1994
| ''[[The Client (film)|The Client]]''
|Regina 'Reggie' Love
|[[BAFTA Award]]; Nominated - [[Academy Award for Best Actress]]
|-
| ''[[Little Women (1994 film)|Little Women]]''
|Aunt March|Abigail 'Marmee' March
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|-
| ''[[Safe Passage (film)|Safe Passage]]''
|Margaret 'Mag' Singer
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|-
|1995
| ''[[Dead Man Walking (film)|Dead Man Walking]]''
|Sister Helen Prejean
|[[Academy Award for Best Actress]]; Nominated - [[Golden Globe]]
|-
|1996
| ''[[James and the Giant Peach (film)|James and the Giant Peach]]''
|Miss Spider
|voice
|-
|rowspan=3|1998
| ''[[Twilight (1998 film)|Twilight]]''
|Catherina Ames
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|-
| ''[[Illuminata (film)|Illuminata]]''
|Calimene
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|-
| ''[[Stepmom (film)|Stepmom]]''
|Jackie Harrison
|Nominated - [[Golden Globe]]
|-
|rowspan=3|1999
| ''[[Our Friend, Martin]]''
|Mrs. Clark
|voice (direct-to-video)
|-
| ''[[Cradle Will Rock]]''
|Margherita Sarfatti
|
|-
| ''[[Anywhere but Here (film)|Anywhere but Here]]''
|Adele August
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|-
|rowspan=2|2000
| ''[[Joe Gould's Secret (film)|Joe Gould's Secret]]''
|Alice Neel
|
|-
| ''[[Rugrats in Paris: The Movie]]''
|Coco LaBouche
|voice
|-
|rowspan=2|2001
| ''[[Cats & Dogs]]''
|Ivy
|voice
|-
| ''[[Goodnight Moon]]''
|Narrator
|voice (short subject)
|-
|rowspan=4|2002
| ''[[Igby Goes Down]]''
|Mimi Slocumb
|Nominated - [[Golden Globe]]
|-
| ''[[The Banger Sisters]]''
|Lavinia Kingsley
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|-
| ''[[Moonlight Mile]]''
|Jojo Floss
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|-
| ''Little Miss Spider''
|Narrator
|short subject
|-
|2003
| ''Ice Bound''
|Dr. Jerri Nielsen
|
|-
|rowspan=4|2004
| ''[[Noel (film)|Noel]]''
|Rose Collins
|
|-
| ''[[Jiminy Glick in Lalawood]]''
|Herself
|Cameo
|-
| ''[[Shall We Dance? (2004 film)|Shall We Dance]]''
|Beverly Clark
|
|-
| ''[[Alfie (2004 film)|Alfie]]''
|Liz
|
|-
|rowspan=2|2005
| ''[[Elizabethtown (film)|Elizabethtown]]''
|Hollie Baylor
|
|-
| ''[[Romance & Cigarettes]]''
|Kitty
|
|-
|2006
| ''Irresistible''
|Sophie
|
|-
|rowspan=5|2007
| ''[[Mr. Woodcock]]''
|Beverly Farley
|
|-
| ''[[In the Valley of Elah]]''
|Joan Deerfield
|
|-
| ''[[Enchanted (2007 film)|Enchanted]]''
|Queen Narissa
|
|-
| ''[[Emotional Arithmetic]]''
|Melanie Lansing Winters
|
|-
| ''[[Bernard and Doris]]''
|[[Doris Duke]]
|
|-
|rowspan=2|2008
| ''[[Speed Racer (film)|Speed Racer]]''
|Mom Racer
|
|-
|''[[Middle of Nowhere (film)|Middle of Nowhere]]''
|Rhonda Berry
|''awaiting release''
|-
|rowspan=4| 2009
| ''[[The Lovely Bones (film)|The Lovely Bones]]''
|Grandma Lynn
|''post-production''
|-
| ''[[Peacock (2009 film)|Peacock]]''
|TBA
|''post-production''
|-
| ''The Greatest''
|TBA
|''post-production''
|-
| ''[[Leaves of Grass (film)|Leaves of Grass]]''
|TBA
|''filming''
|}


[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_Shelley&diff=237703101&oldid=237548993 Your edit] to [[Mary Shelley]] has been partially reverted since it broke the image reference. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 23:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
===Television===
{| class="wikitable"
! Year
! Film
! Role
! Other notes
|-
|1970-1971
| ''[[A World Apart (TV series)|A World Apart]]''
|Patrice Kahlman
|
|-
|1971
| ''[[Owen Marshall: Counselor at Law]]''
|Joyce
|1 episode
|-
|1972
|''[[Search for Tomorrow]]''
|Sarah Fairbanks
|unknown episodes
|-
|1973
| ''[[Wide World Mystery]]''
|
|episode ''The Haunting of Rosalind ''
|-
|rowspan=4|1974
|''F. Scott Fitzgerald and 'The Last of the Belles' ''
|Ailie Calhoun
|
|-
|''The Satan Murders''
|Kate
|TV movie
|-
|''June Moon''
|Eileen
|TV movie
|-
|''The Rimers of Eldritch''
|Pasty Johnson
|TV movie
|-
|1982
|''Who Am I This Time?''
|Helene Shaw
|TV movie
|-
|rowspan=2|1984
|''[[Oxbridge Blues]]''
|Natalie
|TV mini-series
|-
|''[[Faerie Tale Theatre]]''
|Beauty
|1 episode
|-
|rowspan=2|1985
|''[[A.D]]''
|Livilla
|TV mini-series
|-
|''Mussolini: The Decline and Fall of Duce II''
|Edda Mussolini Ciano
|TV movie
|-
|1986
|''Women of Valor''
|Col. Margaret Ann Jessup
|TV movie
|-
|1994
|''All Star 25th Birthday: Stars and Street Forever!''
|Bitsy
|
|-
|1995
|''[[The Simpsons]]''
|voice of The Ballet Teacher
|1 episode
|-
|1999
|''Earthly Possessions''
|Charlotte Emory
|TV movie
|-
|rowspan=2|2001
|''[[Friends]]''
|Cecilia Monroe
|Nominated [[Emmy Award]], Outstanding Guest Actress
|-
|''Cool Women In History''
|The Host
|Season 1
|-
|2002
|''[[Malcolm in the Middle]]''
|Meg
|Nominated [[Emmy Award]], Outstanding Guest Actress
|-
|2003
|''[[Frank Herbert's Children of Dune]]''
|[[Wensicia Corrino|Princess Wensicia Corrino]]
|TV mini-series
|-
|2004
|''Troy: The Passion of Helen''
|The Host
|
|-
|rowspan=2|2005
|''The Exonerated''
|Sunny Jacobs
|TV movie
|-
|''[[Mad TV]]''
|
|2 episodes
|-
|2006 - 2007
|''[[Rescue Me (TV series)|Rescue Me]]''
|Alicia
|
|}


:You are right. That is due to an external function. I will report that to people that might know how to get the function changed. Thanks for the feedback. [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 23:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
===Documentaries===
{| class="wikitable"
! Year
! Film
! Role
|-
|1983
| ''When the Mountains Tremble''
|
|-
|1990
| ''Through the Wire''
|narrator
|-
|1993
| ''Wildnerness: The Last Stand''
|narrator
|-
|1995
| ''[[The Celluloid Closet]]''
|
|-
|1996
| ''Tell the Truth and Run: George Seldes and the American Press''
|narrator
|-
|rowspan=3|1997
| ''The Need to Know''
|narrator
|-
| ''Father Roy: Inside the School of Assassins''
|narrator
|-
| ''187: Documented''
|narrator
|-
|1999
| ''For Love of Julian''
|narrator
|-
|rowspan=4|2000
| ''Light Keeps Me Company''
|
|-
| ''Iditarod: A Far Distant Place''
|narrator
|-
| ''This Is What Democracy Looks Like''
|narrator
|-
| ''Dying to be Thin''
|narrator
|-
|rowspan=6|2001
| ''Uphill All the Way''
|narrator
|-
| ''900 Women''
|narrator
|-
| ''The Shaman's Apprentice''
|narrator
|-
| ''Rudyland''
|narrator
|-
| ''Ghosts of Attica''
|narrator
|-
| ''Last Party 2000''
|
|-
|rowspan=2|2002
| ''The Next Industrial Revolution''
|narrator
|-
| ''Tibet: Cry of the Snow Lion''
|narrator
|-
|rowspan=4|2003
| ''XXI Century''
|
|-
| ''The Nazi Officer's Wife''
|narrator
|-
| ''Burma: Anatomy of Terror''
|narrator
|-
| ''Journey of the Heart: The Life of Henri Nouwen''
|narrator
|-
|2004
| ''Fragile Hopes from the Killing Fields''
|narrator
|-
|rowspan=2|2005
| ''A Whale in Montana''
|narrator
|-
| ''On the Line: Dissent in an Age of Terrorism''
|
|-
|rowspan=2|2006
| ''Secrets of the Code''
|narrator
|-
|''Christa McAuliffe: Reach for the Stars''
|narrator
|-
|rowspan=2|2007
| ''This Child of Mine''
|narrator
|-
|''World Beyond Wiseguys: Italian Americans & the Movies''
|
|}


That would be awesome. This particular image has been "fixed" so many times, it's ridiculous. I finally just deleted the image and renamed it so that people would stop breaking it every few weeks :P [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 14:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
{{start box}} {{s-ach}}
{{succession box
| title=[[BAFTA Award for Best Actress in a Leading Role]]
| years=1995<br>'''for ''[[The Client]]'' '''
| before=[[Holly Hunter]]<br>for ''[[The Piano]]''
| after=[[Emma Thompson]]<br>for ''[[Sense and Sensibility]]''
}}
{{succession box
| title=[[Academy Award for Best Actress]]
| years=1995<br>'''for ''[[Dead Man Walking (film)|Dead Man Walking]]'' '''
| before=[[Jessica Lange]]<br>for ''[[Blue Sky (film)|Blue Sky]]''
| after=[[Frances McDormand]]<br>for ''[[Fargo (film)|Fargo]]''
}}
{{succession box
| title=[[Donostia Award]], [[San Sebastian International Film Festival]]
| years=1995
| before=[[Robert Mitchum]]
| after=[[Lana Turner]]<br>[[Anthony Quinn]]
}}
{{succession box
| title=[[Screen Actors Guild Award for Best Actress - Motion Picture]]
| years=1995<br>'''for ''[[Dead Man Walking]]''
| before=[[Jodie Foster]]<br>for ''[[Nell]]''
| after=[[Frances McDormand]]<br>for ''[[Fargo (film)|Fargo]]''
}}
{{end}}


:I think you did the best thing in the short term. Sorry that you have had so much grief. In the long term, it would be good if you could say the same thing at [[Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#Broken_image_description]]. The issue is way outside my technical knowledge but those guys might know what to do. Regards [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 14:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
==References==
{{reflist}}


== AWB dysfunction ==
==External links==
{{commons}}
{{wikiquote}}
*{{imdb name|0000215|Susan Sarandon}}
*{{ymovies name|1800019379}}
*[http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Susan_Sarandon.php Susan Sarandon's political donations] at newsmeat.com
*{{tvtome person|id=3537|name=Susan Sarandon}}


Can you please review [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Kemurdzhian&diff=243960297&oldid=239138593 this] edit made with AWB and fix whatever failure caused you to leave this article with dates formatted inconsistently? Thanks! ([[User:Sdsds|sdsds]] - ''[[User talk:Sdsds|talk]]'') 00:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
{{AcademyAwardBestActress 1981-2000}}
:looks like the script simply removed the square brackets. The date audit script [[User:Lightmouse/monobook.js/script.js|here]] does that job very well. [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] ([[User talk:Ohconfucius|talk]]) 09:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


I have now done a full date audit of the article. Thanks. [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 09:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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== Date formats ==
{{Persondata

|NAME= Sarandon, Susan
Is it possible to change the script so that when multiple formats for dates are used (4 December 2008 v December 4, 2008) in one article the article is flagged for cleanup? As I recall the MOS recommends that dates in an article follow a single format. Since you are processing the dates, it is the perfect time to flag problems. I would probably ignore date in the cite tags for this unless you know of a consensus to convert these to ISO format. I don't think that the bot can do the change since which format to use depends on other factors like the most common, the dialect of English being used and other factors. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 17:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
|ALTERNATIVE NAMES= Tomalin, Susan Abigail

|SHORT DESCRIPTION= Actress, activist
:It is possible to pre-select articles on the basis of likely format e.g. articles about Australia. The two activities (delinked and format fixing) can be done at once. But splitting the activities into two phases has the advantage that delinking can be done quicker and it makes absolutely no difference to the format most users see. It would also be possible to add a flag to articles to say that they need checking but I am not convinced that tags actually add much value. I do ignore citations because I can't work out what on earth the citation people are doing about this issue - I wish they could find a solution soon. [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 22:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
|DATE OF BIRTH= October 4, 1946

|PLACE OF BIRTH= [[New York City]], [[United States|U.S.]]
== Year/date linking ==
|DATE OF DEATH=

|PLACE OF DEATH=
Hi, I would not unlink those years/dates which has some historical meaning, eg. car articles foundation years, because it can be intresting to see what happened in that year and maybe that foundation is mentioned in that year article. --&mdash; [[User:Typ932|<font face="Comic Sans MS Bold" size="1.9" color="blue">Typ932</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Typ932|<font color="#32CD32">T</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Typ932|<font color="#D3D3D3">C</font>]]</sup>&nbsp; 20:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Sarandon, Susan}}
:Is that something that is worth bringing up at [[wp:mosnum]]? I would hate to be the only one following such a suggestion while everybody else ignores it. [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 22:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:1946 births]]

[[Category:American activists]]
::Typ, can you provide an example or two of where such a link is likely to increase readers' understanding of the topic? [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 00:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:American anti-Iraq War activists]]

[[Category:American film actors]]
== Notice ==
[[Category:American Roman Catholics]]

[[Category:American television actors]]
{{Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Good Article Collaboration Center/Invite}}
[[Category:Americans of English descent]]

[[Category:Americans of Irish descent]]
== Year linkage ==
[[Category:Americans of Italian descent]]

[[Category:Welsh Americans]]
I am aware that linking to dates (for whatever reason) is now against the rules. But some of the linkages are, in fact, not to a date, but to a page. Links like <nowiki>[[1923 in radio|1923]]</nowiki> go to the "In Radio" page for that year. This is an ongoing radio project. I appericate the work you have to do, but please leave links like these alone as they are not date links, but Wiki links. Thank You...</noinclude><small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]] • October 10, 2008 @ 08:32</small>
[[Category:BAFTA winners (people)]]

[[Category:Best Actress Academy Award winners]]
:Hi thanks for your comment,
[[Category:The Catholic University of America alumni]]
:Although that link actually goes to another page, it looks just like any other year link. Links that look like a year link will be treated like one i.e. ignored. Concealing links in this way is increasingly regarded as not the right thing to do, particularly if you want to encourage people to click-through to the article. Some projects go as far as to deprecate it and suggest the link should be explicit or contain at least one non-date word. This issue does crop up from time to time on [[wt:mosnum]] and I am sure other people there will be interested in what you have to say, particularly if you state the page that you mean. [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 08:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Genie Award winners for Best Performance by a Foreign Actress]]
::One option, which I believe is highly effective, is not to include such "concealed" links in the body of the text, but to choose the several most important ones and link them explicitly (not piped) under the "See also" section. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 13:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:LGBT rights activists from the United States]]

[[Category:Living people]]
== date linkage ==
[[Category:New York actors]]

[[Category:American liberal activists]]
Hello. I noticed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_Secretary_of_the_Navy&curid=44001&diff=244251853&oldid=242121319 your edit] to one of the articles I watch, and I was wondering what the thought process or methodology for unlinking dates was. A quick look at the MOS link you provided in your edit summary just confused me more. I'd thought the policy was to link dates so that user preferences would appear properly in the user's preferrred format. Thanks in advance for any clarification you can give. '''[[User:Bahamut0013|<span style="background:#006400;color:#fff;">bahamut0013</span>]][[User talk:Bahamut0013|<span style="background:#00FF00;color:#000">♠</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Bahamut0013|<span style="background:#00FF00;color:#000">♣</span>]]''' 11:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:People from New York City]]

[[Category:People from Edison, New Jersey]]
:Hi,
[[Category:People from Queens]]
:The MOS section is at [[Wikipedia:Mosnum#Date_autoformatting]]. It says:
[[Category:Sicilian-Americans]]
:* ''The linking of dates purely for the purpose of autoformatting is now deprecated.
[[Category:Welsh-American actors]]
:Over a period of years, the guidance was debated extensively. The consensus now is that autoformatting should not be used because it is worse than leaving dates unlinked. There are many problems with the date autoformatting mechanism including:

*'''(1) In-house only'''
:*(a) It works only for registered (Wikipedian) users who have set their date preferences and are logged in.
:*(b) To our readers out there, it displays all-too-common inconsistencies in raw formatting in bright-blue underlined text, yet conceals them from WPians who are logged in and have chosen preferences.

*'''(2) Avoids what are merely trivial differences'''
:*(a) It is trivial whether the order is day–month or month–day. It is more trivial than color/colour and realise/realize, yet our consistency-within-article policy on spelling ([[WP:ENGVAR]]) has worked very well. English-speakers readily recognise both date formats; all dates after our signatures are international, and no one objects.

*'''(3) Colour-clutter: the bright-blue underlining of all dates'''
:*(a) It dilutes the impact of high-value links.
:*(b) It makes the text slightly harder to read.
:*(c) It doesn't improve the appearance of the page.

*'''(4) Typos and misunderstood coding'''
:*(a) There's a disappointing error-rate in keying in the auto-function; not bracketing the year, and enclosing the whole date in one set of brackets, are examples.
:*(b) Once autoformatting is removed, mixtures of US and international formats are revealed in display mode, where they are much easier for WPians to pick up than in edit mode; so is the use of the wrong format in country-related articles.
:*(c) Many WPians don't understand date-autoformatting—in particular, how it differs from ordinary linking; often it's applied simply because it's part of the furniture.

*'''(5) Edit-mode clutter'''
:*(a) It's more work to enter an autoformatted date, and it doesn't make the edit-mode text any easier to read for subsequent editors.

*'''(6) Limited application'''
:*(a) It's incompatible with date ranges ("January 3–9, 1998", or "3–9 January 1998", and "February–April 2006") and slashed dates ("the night of May 21/22", or "... 21/22 May").
:*(b) By policy, we avoid date autoformatting in such places as quotations; the removal of autoformatting avoids this inconsistency.}}


I hope that helps. [[User:Lightmouse|Lightmouse]] ([[User talk:Lightmouse#top|talk]]) 12:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Please help clean up Hurricane Ike ==


You have recently edited [[Hurricane Ike]]. There was a recent bad anti-vandal edit that needs significant work to repair. See [[Talk:Hurricane Ike#Wiping out 15 edits to restore 123 edits caught in an anti-vandal edit]] if you want to help. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])/([[Special:Emailuser/davidwr|e-mail]])</small></small> 20:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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Revision as of 20:15, 10 October 2008

Bot stopped

Per concerns at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers), I have stopped Lightbot for the time being. Please address the concerns there and be able to demonstrate consensus for the de-linking of dates before proceeding. Thanks, Shereth 16:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't re-start the bot with the boilerplate "See owner talk" message; there is nothing here on your talk page that addresses the concerns at WT:MOSNUM. If the bot re-starts itself without a resolution to the concerns at that talk page, I will block it. Shereth 22:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Please try to be less aggressive. Removal of the word 'stop' is not the same as running the bot. Lightmouse (talk) 22:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Please try to be more descriptive. I will grant that removal of the word 'stop' is not the same as running the bot, but without more of a justification than "See owner talk" (which is not only undescriptive but somewhat dishonest considering there was no discussion regarding the concern whatsoever) it can only be interpreted as a precursor to a resumption of the bot. I won't immediately take action if the 'stop' is removed, but if it does resume de-linking years/dates without a resolution to the above referenced discussion it will be blocked. Shereth 22:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. The text on the bot page directs people to this page. The 'see owner talk' is a standard response to reinforce that and it comes up anyway under autocomplete. I will remove the word 'stop' and we can see what happens at wp:mosnum. Lightmouse (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, well, an accusation of dishonesty is rather aggressive, don't you think, Shereth? I'd be pleased if you were seen to act in a totally disinterested manner in this matter. Tony (talk) 08:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
As would I you, Tony. — Bellhalla (talk) 12:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I make no pretence to be disinterested in this matter; on the contrary, I'm flying the flag for a more disciplined and sensitive approach to our unique and valuable wikilinking system, to strengthen it. But it is not I who have taken administrative action in stopping the bot. The rules for admins are quite clear: that such actions should not be taken where the admin has any personal stake in the outcome. Please read those rules. Tony (talk) 13:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Point of information, nobody has taken any administrative action yet. -Chunky Rice (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Is a block an administrator action? Lightmouse (talk) 13:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Have you or your bot been blocked? -Chunky Rice (talk) 14:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Has a block threat been issued? Lightmouse (talk) 14:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Is that an administrator action? -Chunky Rice (talk) 14:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Who else can issue block threats? Lightmouse (talk) 14:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Any editor - see all of our warning templates. -Chunky Rice (talk) 14:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Is Shereth an administrator? Lightmouse (talk) 14:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

How many roads must a man walk down, before you can call him a man? -Chunky Rice (talk) 14:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Five hundred and seventy six. Does the phrase:

  • I will block it

mean something other than 'I will block it'? Lightmouse (talk) 14:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Is that a rhetorical question? -Chunky Rice (talk) 14:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Did you read it that way? Lightmouse (talk) 14:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

This conversation is making me dizzy. --Closedmouth (talk) 05:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Formatting on Talk pages

Good afternoon, Lightmouse. In this edit, you inserted a large number of blank lines between the individual comments in a discussion thread. Please don't do that again. Many common browsers fail to interpret the nested indentation properly when you insert blank rows like that. The browser interprets the paragraph break as an instruction to restart the indentation and inserts a blank line for every level of indentation of the subsequent comment. Rather than showing up immediately below the preceding comment, a level-six indentation shows up six blank lines below. The page ended up with massive amounts of wasted white space and was extraordinarily difficult to read. It probably doesn't matter for short discussions with only one or two layers of indentation but when long discussions reach deep levels of indentation, it gets very disruptive.

Thanks. Rossami (talk) 17:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I didn't know that it caused problems for browsers. I was trying to make it easier to read when in edit mode. Furthermore, I wish there was somewhere that we could discuss such matters. I often read Wikipedia on very small screens and six level indents can make text disappear off to the right, so I wish there was a way to let people know that alternate indenting does not cause that problem. In addition, some people use bullets and others use plain indents. I can't think of a good place for such discussions, including what you say. Any suggestions. Lightmouse (talk) 22:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Let me clarify that it doesn't cause problems for all browsers. Firefox correctly interprets indentation even with the skipped spaces. Internet Explorer, on the other hand, ... (I should stop typing on the "if you can't say something nice" principle.)
Perhaps one of the Manual of Style sheets has some help for the general case of making your comments more readable. I do know that there is some discussion in the Guide to deletion but that's specific to the narrow case of AfD discussions (where the established norm is indented bullets).
I find that bullets make it much easier to tell where one person's comment ends and another begins. I usually follow the format of the previous editors (and most others do the same) but if I have the chance, I almost always use bullets. The downside to bullets is that you have to use the <br> command to force a line return. Otherwise, your comment gets separated from your signature. When reading in edit mode, the reader sees a gray block of text. This comment would be an excellent example. Miserable, isn't it?
The page about "modifying the comments of others" does include a specific exception to allow refactoring the discussion to standardize the indentation. You could always just pick a style for that discussion and straighten it out if it's especially confusing. I will often do that if I'm going to comment on a discussion. But there's no set standard that applies for all discussions that I know of and I wouldn't hold out much hope for forcing such a standard.
On your related question of deep indentation flowing off the right of small screens, perhaps we can ask the developers to do something with the CSS. They might be able to build some code into the style sheet and vary the presentation of the page based on the reader's screen width. That would probably be a Village Pump request.
If I find an MOS discussion page, I'll send a link. Please copy me if you find one first. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I try to rule IE out of my life but it is difficult to wean webdevelopers off it. I will ask at the village pump now about small screens. Thanks for all your other helpful thoughts. Lightmouse (talk) 16:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Your edit to Mary Shelley

Your edit to Mary Shelley has been partially reverted since it broke the image reference. Kaldari (talk) 23:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

You are right. That is due to an external function. I will report that to people that might know how to get the function changed. Thanks for the feedback. Lightmouse (talk) 23:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

That would be awesome. This particular image has been "fixed" so many times, it's ridiculous. I finally just deleted the image and renamed it so that people would stop breaking it every few weeks :P Kaldari (talk) 14:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I think you did the best thing in the short term. Sorry that you have had so much grief. In the long term, it would be good if you could say the same thing at Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#Broken_image_description. The issue is way outside my technical knowledge but those guys might know what to do. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 14:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

AWB dysfunction

Can you please review this edit made with AWB and fix whatever failure caused you to leave this article with dates formatted inconsistently? Thanks! (sdsds - talk) 00:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

looks like the script simply removed the square brackets. The date audit script here does that job very well. Ohconfucius (talk) 09:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I have now done a full date audit of the article. Thanks. Lightmouse (talk) 09:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Date formats

Is it possible to change the script so that when multiple formats for dates are used (4 December 2008 v December 4, 2008) in one article the article is flagged for cleanup? As I recall the MOS recommends that dates in an article follow a single format. Since you are processing the dates, it is the perfect time to flag problems. I would probably ignore date in the cite tags for this unless you know of a consensus to convert these to ISO format. I don't think that the bot can do the change since which format to use depends on other factors like the most common, the dialect of English being used and other factors. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It is possible to pre-select articles on the basis of likely format e.g. articles about Australia. The two activities (delinked and format fixing) can be done at once. But splitting the activities into two phases has the advantage that delinking can be done quicker and it makes absolutely no difference to the format most users see. It would also be possible to add a flag to articles to say that they need checking but I am not convinced that tags actually add much value. I do ignore citations because I can't work out what on earth the citation people are doing about this issue - I wish they could find a solution soon. Lightmouse (talk) 22:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Year/date linking

Hi, I would not unlink those years/dates which has some historical meaning, eg. car articles foundation years, because it can be intresting to see what happened in that year and maybe that foundation is mentioned in that year article. --— Typ932T | C  20:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Is that something that is worth bringing up at wp:mosnum? I would hate to be the only one following such a suggestion while everybody else ignores it. Lightmouse (talk) 22:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Typ, can you provide an example or two of where such a link is likely to increase readers' understanding of the topic? Tony (talk) 00:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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Year linkage

I am aware that linking to dates (for whatever reason) is now against the rules. But some of the linkages are, in fact, not to a date, but to a page. Links like [[1923 in radio|1923]] go to the "In Radio" page for that year. This is an ongoing radio project. I appericate the work you have to do, but please leave links like these alone as they are not date links, but Wiki links. Thank You...NeutralHomer • Talk • October 10, 2008 @ 08:32

Hi thanks for your comment,
Although that link actually goes to another page, it looks just like any other year link. Links that look like a year link will be treated like one i.e. ignored. Concealing links in this way is increasingly regarded as not the right thing to do, particularly if you want to encourage people to click-through to the article. Some projects go as far as to deprecate it and suggest the link should be explicit or contain at least one non-date word. This issue does crop up from time to time on wt:mosnum and I am sure other people there will be interested in what you have to say, particularly if you state the page that you mean. Lightmouse (talk) 08:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
One option, which I believe is highly effective, is not to include such "concealed" links in the body of the text, but to choose the several most important ones and link them explicitly (not piped) under the "See also" section. Tony (talk) 13:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

date linkage

Hello. I noticed your edit to one of the articles I watch, and I was wondering what the thought process or methodology for unlinking dates was. A quick look at the MOS link you provided in your edit summary just confused me more. I'd thought the policy was to link dates so that user preferences would appear properly in the user's preferrred format. Thanks in advance for any clarification you can give. bahamut0013♠♣ 11:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi,
The MOS section is at Wikipedia:Mosnum#Date_autoformatting. It says:
  • The linking of dates purely for the purpose of autoformatting is now deprecated.
Over a period of years, the guidance was debated extensively. The consensus now is that autoformatting should not be used because it is worse than leaving dates unlinked. There are many problems with the date autoformatting mechanism including:
  • (1) In-house only
  • (a) It works only for registered (Wikipedian) users who have set their date preferences and are logged in.
  • (b) To our readers out there, it displays all-too-common inconsistencies in raw formatting in bright-blue underlined text, yet conceals them from WPians who are logged in and have chosen preferences.
  • (2) Avoids what are merely trivial differences
  • (a) It is trivial whether the order is day–month or month–day. It is more trivial than color/colour and realise/realize, yet our consistency-within-article policy on spelling (WP:ENGVAR) has worked very well. English-speakers readily recognise both date formats; all dates after our signatures are international, and no one objects.
  • (3) Colour-clutter: the bright-blue underlining of all dates
  • (a) It dilutes the impact of high-value links.
  • (b) It makes the text slightly harder to read.
  • (c) It doesn't improve the appearance of the page.
  • (4) Typos and misunderstood coding
  • (a) There's a disappointing error-rate in keying in the auto-function; not bracketing the year, and enclosing the whole date in one set of brackets, are examples.
  • (b) Once autoformatting is removed, mixtures of US and international formats are revealed in display mode, where they are much easier for WPians to pick up than in edit mode; so is the use of the wrong format in country-related articles.
  • (c) Many WPians don't understand date-autoformatting—in particular, how it differs from ordinary linking; often it's applied simply because it's part of the furniture.
  • (5) Edit-mode clutter
  • (a) It's more work to enter an autoformatted date, and it doesn't make the edit-mode text any easier to read for subsequent editors.
  • (6) Limited application
  • (a) It's incompatible with date ranges ("January 3–9, 1998", or "3–9 January 1998", and "February–April 2006") and slashed dates ("the night of May 21/22", or "... 21/22 May").
  • (b) By policy, we avoid date autoformatting in such places as quotations; the removal of autoformatting avoids this inconsistency.}}


I hope that helps. Lightmouse (talk) 12:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Please help clean up Hurricane Ike

You have recently edited Hurricane Ike. There was a recent bad anti-vandal edit that needs significant work to repair. See Talk:Hurricane Ike#Wiping out 15 edits to restore 123 edits caught in an anti-vandal edit if you want to help. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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