User talk:Albatross2147

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Howards military service

Your edit on Howards hypocrisy to national service is very well crafted. But I warn you there may be a lot of oppostion to its presence. I will support you if others choose to wipe it. 128.250.99.135 00:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Was your aim also to paint Howard as a hypocrite, or is that 128.250.99.135's intention alone? Andjam 06:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Albatross2147,

I noticed you reverted the citation needed thingo which is fair enough. Given that to prove the somewhat bleeding obvious is nearly as hard as proving a negative can you wait a bit before striking out the alleged PoV statement?

A little bit, but not too long.

Also at the risk of entering into a bitter ploemic (which I certainly don't want to do) I would be interested to know exactly what your objection is to the statement that in the 1960s he was a supporter of both NS and Aust's participation in the Vn War. I don't see how it could have been otherwise.

Well, people have made mistakes before. For example this rant claims that Family First were presumably "into the Iraq war like a rat up a drainpipe" when the policy platform was that they disapproved of the invasion. (I sent them an email in December 2004, and they're yet to correct the statement) The article originally talked about Howard "vociferously" supporting the war, which is hardly NPOV language. Even if he weren't in favour of the war and conscription, he may have decided to stay silent to avoid giving the North Vietnamese comfort. Frankly, I'm a bit tired of "fake but accurate" attitude some people have. Andjam 06:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Even though we suspect it, we can't assume that he did hold the same views as his party without evidence, nor does add much to talk about the views of his party as evidence of his own inconsistency. For eg, after the Vietnam war the Liberal party decided that South Vietnamese who had assisted the Australian forces should be evacuated. There was only one minister who wanted to leave them behind in the hands of the North Vietnamese. Guess who. Regards, Ben Aveling 07:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC) PS. I did manage to find a quote for you.

So long as it's from a reliable NPOV source, well ... I still wouldn't exactly be thrilled about the inclusion, given that one person wanted it included in order to paint Howard as a hypocrite. But if it's got a good citation, I won't try to get the section removed unless other people worry about how notable it is. Andjam 08:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

All depends on how it's used, really. Same as any other fact. Regards, Ben Aveling 08:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

AWB

Either a separate articles or dividing the existing article into clear sections (like the history section of the Opera Australia article) seems to make sense to me.John Dalton 21:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

De-sysop

If you want to remove someone's administrator status, you need to go via Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. enochlau (talk) 04:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

James Cole

I'll attempt to get a new article completed - apparently it all has to be finished with citations and no typos prior to posting; otherwise it will be speedily deleted... The new article will be more thorough and less speculative in accordance with grievances aired in the debate which took place *after* deletion rather than before. -pa

It was speedily deleted, which means that it does not have to undergo WP:AFD. enochlau (talk) 14:56, 27 January 2006 (U

Alan Jones

I have removed the article Alan Jones from the "List of GLBT people" category. If Alan Jones hasn't specifically stated in public that he belongs within this category, then it is not for us to put him in such a category based upon mere rumour and innuendo. - Mark 02:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way about my action there. I am merely cautioning against presenting something as fact when we don't know for sure that it is. In my opinion, it is still perfectly legitimate to discuss the gay claims within the text of the article. I don't feel this is censorship, since I haven't removed from the article the talk about these allegations. - Mark 02:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Homebush Boys High School

Your Post: This has been majorly vandalised again. Are you in a position to revert easily? Albatross2147 22:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• My Response: I've reverted the vandalism. Cheers! --NMChico24 23:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Gang Show

Much nicer! Now I know what it is! Thanks. :-D --Tim4christ17 09:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow!

You've been to Campbell Island? Colour me very jealous. Thanks for the albie photo. Sabine's Sunbird talk 07:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

JoeTheLion

Indef blocked. It was good of you to revert his vandalism, BTW. Indeed, here's a barnstar:

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For reverting vandalism on John Howard, I award Albatross2147 the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar -- Samir धर्म 08:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and keep up the good work -- Samir धर्म 08:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I have been on the Board for 5 years and over that time the meeting has never been held in Melbourne on Cup day. Wmckibbin 13:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

As a former pupil, to the best of my knowledge, and my teachers. It was an coed, inaddition, my piano tutor, she, attended Homebush High School. (NeoDeGenero 16:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC))

User talk page messages

Hi Albatross2147,

I only just noticed your "re John Howard Talk" section on my talk page (not that it is a big issue, as the issues have been mentioned in the article talk page). I typically only look at the bottom of my user talk page, so if you have any further messages, can you start a new section unless there's an existing section near the bottom of the page? Thanks, Andjam 11:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Minor Edits

Remember to mark your edits as minor when, but only when, they genuinely are (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one, or vice versa, is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb, is that an edit of a page that consists of spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a 'minor edit'. DXRAW 01:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Newington Headmasters

Why not list all Headmasters of Newington and remain neutral by not using the weasel word distinguished but describing there term of office. I believe Sydney Grammar has a list of all Headmasters.

NSW School Certificate

Sorry about that i misread your edit. DXRAW 12:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Newington College Industrial Dispute

Dear Albatross

Would you please have a look at this disputed column and give an opinion by reading the citations and external links - or better still write a new article. It appears to be badly written, repetitious, and lacking neutrality. As it is a current dispute surely it should be no more than a paragraph with links to reputable reports. I would appreciate your opinion.Aagps 03:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Fairfield High School, NSW

Hi Albatross2147, I've blocked the most recent offender. If the vandalism starts up again, let me know and I can protect the page. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 01:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverted and warned; I've got my eye on it. Thanks for informing me -- Samir धर्म 15:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Nine Network

It seems fine now. Cheers — Gary Kirk | ^talk! 11:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thanks for clearing up the edit issue. :)

Your Changes to Nine Network

Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. - Mike Beckham 11:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Belated thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA. Consensus to promote was reached, and I am now an administrator. I'll be using the tools cautiously at first, and everyone should feel welcome to peer over my shoulder and make sure I'm not doing anything foolish. --Robth^Talk 04:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Greeny in the bible belt

Hey mate. Fellow Greeny here. I don't know if you're religious or not, but I do know you live in a very conservative part of Sydney. Are you a member of a local branch down your way? Dankru 07:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Hanslope50

Your image of Hanslope in 1950 seems to have been voided? --Concrete Cowboy 23:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Strange, other pics were ok. Will try to find time to match pic, but not any time soon. --Concrete Cowboy 12:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Pickhaver Coment

Umm perhaps i am wrong.. but i remember Pickhaver comming to our school to talk at assembly and i thought they said he was an ex student.

Memo

Memo to self - stop trying to be fair.

NPOV is non-negotiable. Thanks, Andjam 12:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

This is regarding the article and talk pages of John Howard. Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not add unreferenced negative information to biographies of living persons, as you did to John Howard. Thank you. Andjam 11:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You don't have to be an admin to give a warning. You only have to be one to block someone. Andjam 03:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I said that the statement is uncited. And it was. And I haven't been pushing a Point Of View about Howard. Whereas you have openly expressed your intention to do so. Andjam 03:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your edits at John Howard, it seems that you have some personal recollections of Howard's behaviour at Vietnam rallies in the 60s. Why not take it to a journalist (you know, like an ex-Media Watch host who seems to like researching Howard's history) rather than put it on Wikipedia, where I'm not sure it really belongs. Rocksong 04:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

This is for persisting to add uncited material to John Howard.

You have made an edit to John Howard that could be regarded as defamatory. Please do not restore this material to the article or its talk page. If you do, you may be blocked for disruption. See the blocking policy. Andjam 10:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You have made an edit to John Howard that could be regarded as defamatory. Please do not restore this material to the article or its talk page. If you restore this material to the article or its talk page once more, you will be blocked for disruption. See Blocking policy: Biographies of living people. Andjam 11:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Everything that is in a wikipedia article should be supported by a reference to a reliable source. Even if it's to say that water is wet, or that the sun rises in the east. Thanks, Andjam 11:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

If it is of biographical significance, then a reliable source would have noted it by now. Don't use wikipedia as a soapbox. As for the sun rising in the east ... it's regrettable that it's currently unreferenced, but at least someone has tagged the article as needing references. Andjam 12:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I've never thought of you as a looney, merely as a Greens supporter. There is a slight difference. (What in particular were you referring to?) Andjam 13:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I may not be able to have a decent look at the question about the VC project in a timely manner. Andjam 11:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Schools

I don't think schools are inherently notable (I also disgree that all highways are notable, but I can't do anything about that). If you see an article about pastors or anything/one you feel are not notable, then just nominate them for deletion. Edgecution 00:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Civility on school articles

Regarding [1]- it is uncivil and unproductive to refer to other editors as "fundies." JoshuaZ 02:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Gang Show edits

Satisfactory. I can't say I like having the paragraph there stating one show above others, even if it is not mentioned by name, but for now it will do. Dac 00:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid you have, in fact, got my stance wrong. I encourage a lot of the things to be put it, as many as possible. But to single out one show above all others when we have a wide range of them seems overtly unfair to the others and comes across as advertising. Don't get me wrong, I thought Cumberland Gang Show this year was good (yes, I went to see it ;) ) but for an international event such as this, to single it out is injecting it above other shows. Thank you. Dac 00:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Militia VCs

Reg Rattey. Same battle as Partridge, Slater's Knoll in the Bougainville campaign (1943-45). Cheers, Grant65 | Talk 09:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Delete

No I redirected it to his daughters page. The guy is not notable for anything other than having a disabled daughter. --Peta 23:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• It wasn't; I made an editorial decision. Please stop posting to my old talk page. --Peta 23:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I am an editor; I can make decisions. I don't need permission. --Peta 23:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
    • My signiture links to my current talk page; I don't know how you are getting to the old one. --Peta 23:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Undo the redirect if you want. The article - if you can call it that - is still there. --Peta 23:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Ron Delezio

An article that you have been involved in editing, Ron Delezio, has been listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Delezio. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 04:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ron Delezio

Alright...you caught me. I too can make typos...which I'm sure you've never done, and I commend you for it. I have since gone back and added the 'e' that I had so carelessly sailed over. Note that I didn't forget it in my link to his daughter. Aside from that, I find it itneresting that you decided to post such a comment on my page, and editor who wants to merge the small amount of information presented to the more relevant article Sophie Delezio, instead of on the talk pages of those who wish to see it go. My opinion was formed by reviewing both articles, and noting that there was very little to say about Mr. DelEzio. The only real notable facts, in my opinion, are his award and his award nomination, and of coarse that he's the father of Sophie. Other than that, he's just not that notable. However, those two bits of information are notable, and can fit just fine into his daughter's article.Ganfon 18:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Yea yea yea. Review my numerous contributions across the project including the extensive number of articles I have authored and/or rewritten and then presume to cast aspersions about my bad faith. Disagree with me - fair enough. But leave it at that. Eusebeus 02:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Eusebeus. Your article was nominated for deletion. The majority of people believe it should be merged/deleted. The people who contribute to AFD understand that Wikipedia runs by consensus, they review the article as it would appear in a normal encyclopedia and form their opinion. I understand you're proud of your article. I understand you're angry that it has been nominated for deletion. I too have had articles I felt, and still feel are notable enough to be in Wikipedia and have been deleted via the AfD process. However I did not go around complaining on the talk pages of those who disagreed with me. I did go and try to prove my point, as you did, and failed as you are. But I realized when it was time to move on, I didn't continue to patronize other people by preaching what my idea of notability was...Wikipedia had done that for me. I'm sorry about your article, I really am. But please stop lecturing the people who said it should be merged, we are merely trying to help this encyclopedia. Ganfon 04:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

You know what I meant by 'your article', and if you didn't...I was referring to the fact that you had taken responsibility for and were fighting vigorously to keep it alive (which I do respect (to a point) by the way). Technically speaking, you never asked me a question to begin with, but I did answer the implied query in my original comment back. However, since I obviously confused you, I will try reiterate as plainly as possible. I saw the AfD, I reviewed the article. I looked back on what other editors thought. I then reviewed over Sophie's article. Finally I factored all of this together and came to the conclusion that it was not notable enough for it's own article, but the awards and such could be mentioned in the Sophie articlle, which is notable. I'm sorry this has turned into the argument it has, but my opinion won't change, and neither will your's, so let's leave it at that and stop patronizing each other. Ganfon 04:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hillsong article

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, friend. I've corrected it. Tonicthebrown 10:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Albatross. Actually I am an ex-Adventist, but still have an interest in Adventism --hence my contribution to the Wikipedia articles. I wouldn't personally call the Adventists a cult, but I think some of their beliefs are definitely not mainstream Christian. I think I can be fairly NPOV because I want neither to glorify nor denigrate the church.

To clarify those terms for you: "Pentecostal" is a style of Christianity which focuses heavily on the Holy Spirit, miracles and worship. The Assemblies of God (AOG) are a denomination which are Pentecostal, and Hillsong is part of AOG. To be "non-denominational", a church cannot be part of a denomination (Anglican, Baptist, AOG, Adventist, etc.) Cheers. Tonicthebrown 03:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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Gang Show

The Gang Show is an important part of Scouting in many countries if not the USA. I am reverting you high handed reversion. Albatross2147 11:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

There are many things that are important in some countries, but not most. By your standards, virtually everything should be in See also.Rlevse 12:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you are being silly, if you'd bother to check, the last person who rv'd your entry was Bduke, who is British and living in Australia, the same place as you.Rlevse 12:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Grow up and check WP:CIVIL. Rlevse 12:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Guide to layout#See also Rlevse 13:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

No actually it's being blunt and to the point when being confronted by high handed priggishness." You shouldn't talk about yourself that way.Rlevse 13:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Believe me, I could be much harsher, but then I'd be stooping down to your lowly, infantile, and puerile level.Rlevse 13:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Pauline Hanson

I give up - user:beneaththelandslide and all the other Hansonites are going to keep removing her racial makeup.

--PeterMarkSmith 10:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

AMB PH Quote

Now - let's see if the neo nazi Hasonites try removing the lady's words themselves? --PeterMarkSmith 15:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Well they did! --PeterMarkSmith 08:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

rfa thanks

The first one was no consensus. The second was [2]. The wikilink at the top of my user talk is wrong, sorry. ⇒ SWATJester ^{On Belay!} 21:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Darrel Chapman

South Sydney 1960 - 1964 played 73 games/10 tries for 30 points New South Wales 1959 played 1 game/0 points Australia 1959 - 1960 kangaroo tour played 0 games

Kempsey born fullback played for Northern New South Wales against New Zealand in 1959 before forcing his way into the full New South Wales side. Was selected in the 1959 - 1960 Kangaroo side to tour Europe playing in 18 matches but never making a test appearance, he signed for South Sydney at the completion of the tour.

He captained the Rabbitohs for four seasons from 1961 - 1964 and after his retirement built a prominent career in coaching and admininstation. He went on to serve on the NSWRL coaching panel and held positions with the New South Wales department of Sport, Australian coaching education council and the National Rugby League coaching scheme.

A teacher who moved into the sports science field with the Lismore campus of the University of New England; he eventually lost his long battle with cancer in 1992 at the age of 55. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tiburon (talk

All the raw information is from The Encyclopedia of Rugby League Players. Alan Whiticker & Glen Hudson, 2002 (Gary Allen Publishing Pty Ltd); though I have paraphrased a lot of writing above.

Tiburon 03:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Rabbitohs Playing record from the Rabbitohs Website legends section 1st Grade Matches: 61; 1st Grade Tries: 10; 1st Grade Points: 30 2nd Grade Matches: 2 3rd Grade Matches: 4; 3rd Grade Tries: 1; 3rd Grade Points: 3 Total Matches: 67; Total Tries: 11; Total Points: 33 They spell it Darrell Sticks66 20:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ralph READER

Albatross - thanks for your comments. As you can see I am a new user, only trying out my first edit less than a week ago. The information about Ralph Reader living in Denton, Sussex comes from personal knowledge but is also sourced from "The East Sussex Village Book" by Rupert Taylor (1986) ISBN 0-905392-59-0. However I will visit the local museum (where I am a member) and find out exactly when and where her lived there. Cheers and best wishes Kevin - Seaford - Sussex

Jesus and Mo

I have removed the Wp links you inserted to the articles on both the mythical and historical persons who happen to share the same names as the characters in the strip. My understanding is that the author of the strip does not intend that the characters should be perceived as referring to the mythical and historical persons. This might explain why the Ganesh character made only a single appearance since any representation is perhaps too unique. Albatross2147 03:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh come on! You know that's exactly what he's doing. If not then why all the references to him walking on water and having stigmata? Anything he says about it being a joke or a stand-in is part of the comedy mocking the evasiveness of people who criticize or who do parodies. I really think they should be added back. Tyciol 15:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Paul Gibson

Yes played for Manly nothing really notable though if memory serves. Going to RL Encyclopedia says....

Souths (1962) 1 game
Manly (1966) 13 games / 3 tries & 7 goals for 23 points
Parramatta (1967 - 68) 23 games / 5 tries for 15 points
Penrith (1969 - 70) 9 games / 3 tries & 2 goals for 13 points

Manly junior was a winger, centre and five eighth with four clubs before pursuing a career in politics. The father of former Manly & Penrith player Greg Gibson, he was the Labor MP for Londonderry during the 1980s and 1990s before successfully contesting the seat of Blacktown in the 1999 State Election.

Hope that helps! Tiburon 15:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo is coming to Sydney

Sorry to spam you if you aren't interested. See Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney#April 25th for more info if you are interested. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Greetings, Albatross. Very interested in your comments in the discussion page re: John Howard, his old man, grandfather and the whole New Guard shebang - a period that fascinates me (if you get a chance there's a good exhibition on the topic at the Police and Justice Museum at Circular Quay right now). You mention a thesis by John James that you found in the ML. Looked up the catalogie but couldn't find it. I'd like to see it. Can you be more specific about how to find the thing? Cheers, Alidocious.

Basil Catterns - reply

I'm sorry you are upset by the tag. The point is that your article does not assert what the individual's notability is. I specifically did not mark it for deletion, but the tag states "If you are familiar with the subject matter, please expand the article to establish its notability". I have no desire to have an edit war and will not further edit the article. I feel however it is likely that someone will mark it for deletion if it is not expanded. Cheers. CitiCat 04:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Failure.

You, sir, are a poor photographer.

Thanks. That's handy to know. Albatross2147 22:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Wade Frankum

Hi, I'm a little bit confused about your concern about my changes to the Wade Frankum article. I only added a category of which applies to this person. Could you please elaborate? Loopla 06:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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Joel Houston

Hi, thanks for the comment. I was trying to make the article (and similar ones) more encyclopedic - they'd started to get too much like fan pages. Marky1981 12:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Toonga Bay

Hey Albatross just wanted to say thanks for working on the Toonie article, particularly the last couple edits in there. Looking good. Cheers. --Bren ^talk 15:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Albatross2147,

I like the ammendments you have made to the Gang Show wiki. Just curious to find out who you are. If you could email me back, that would be great.

Thanks Matt

info@gangshow.asn.au

Re:Australian Mother of the Year Award

Generally, protection or semi-protection is only warranted for a round of really bad, uncontrollable vandalism - that doesn't appear to be the case yet. I'd say just try and warn the editors that they may be blocked from editing if they continue with it. If it gets worse, do let me know though. enochlau (talk) 04:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd do it if I was able to by policy. It's just that the protection policy is not meant to be invoked as a precaution against potential future vandalism (they seem to have stopped on that page... for the time being anyway). enochlau (talk) 10:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The Simpsons

Are you in a position to revert the deletion of the trivia? Albatross2147 08:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I assume I am.--Steven X 09:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Gordon Bray

Hi there, No, I'm afraid I'm not the same person! This article happened to be one I happened to come across whilst patrolling the recent changes pages. Worth a try I suppose! :) Cheers, Rob Lindsey 08:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Calamondin

Sorry, but I had to take out the image you placed in the Calamondin article. Calamondins have very small fruits, typically an inch in diameter and are used for cooking when green. Orange or ripe fruit are rarely used for cooking, or even ades. Were those calamondins in your image? They looked like oranges. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 04:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you are some kind of arrogant image police? I know what sort of fruit it is. Put the image back. You shouldn't delete things done by experienced editors w/o some sort of discussion - it wan't like I was say the fruit is poison or a racist. I will take another shot with a ruler in front of it if you insist. Albatross2147 09:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC) Albatross2147

Wow, you are one touchy dude. And who said anything about being a racist? And I don't insist on you putting a ruler in front of the fruit to prove a point. Arrogance? If I were that arrogant, I would not have bothered to post the initial message on your talk page. Be civil to your fellow wikipedians. If you believe I was mistaken, you can always undo my edit. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 02:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Frank Houston

Hi, please could you see my response on Talk:Frank Houston. I think you have assumed something a bit unfair. Regards, Halsteadk 08:59, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries

I try to avoid making personal remarks on other editors in edit summaries; I'd appreciate it if you'd return the courtesy. Be assured that playing devil's advocate on an article about somebody I actively dislike is annoying enough already without being called a 'prude' for doing so.

As it happens, I'm quite fond of cunts, and from my experience with them I'm pretty sure Alan Jones is nothing like one. --Calair 01:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

John Howard

Welcome to Wikipedia! I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as John Howard are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. Thank you. I have removed the text the appears to be a personal opinion about the subject from the talk page, please read WP:BLP and WP:TALK Thnak youGnangarra 06:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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Talk pages are for discussion on the article content not for personal opinions about the subject Gnangarra 07:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I am strongly support Gnan's warning that the talk pages are for the discussions on improvements of an article not for the general discussion on the topic matters. It is especially important for the high-traffic controversial topics there general forum-style postings tend to generate a lot of clutter and prevent from the productive work on the article. This is true for both pro-Howard and anti-Howard noise Alex Bakharev 07:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Horus Kol and Boy Scout

I think you will find that Horus has left WP. He has not edited since April. That is a great pity because his knowledge of UK Scouting is great and he has helped to keep an international flavour to our articles on Scouting. On you beef about the Boy Scout article I agree with you in part. I think part of the problem is that the Project wants it to be about the boy, while the related articles such as Cub Scout start with "A Cub Scout is a member of the section of the worldwide Scouting movement for young persons". Rover Scout is similar. I have argued before that the article should be focused on the section and not on the boy, because as you say many such sections contain girls. However, this is confused by the use of "Scout" for Girl Scouts and the general English word "scout" which predated the Scout Movement. The solution is not obvious and it needs careful thought. The BSA project members are acting in good faith and they are trying to keep our articles international. It does not help to call them bully boys or biased. --Bduke 09:32, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

re morrison

the relevant rule is that the article should be at the most commonly used name, which isn't much help in this case. i have no objections to it being moved to his real name, i just wanted the articles to be merged somewhere. please also remember wp:civil etc.  ⇒ bsnowball  15:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Parramatta

Which captions do you mean on the Parra article? Can't see it. I don't remember touching the old captions.

Sardaka —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardaka (talk • contribs) 08:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

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Haven't you got anything better to do? Albatross2147 14:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes (see my userpage), but I also help out with non-free image patrolling as a way of giving back to Wikipedia. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 00:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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FA of the day AfD

Hello, I just removed the AfD from this article, Ernest Emerson. I just think it would be prudent to wait until tomorrow, when the article is no longer featured on the main page. I'm not going to be online a lot today, and I don't want to argue a lot about this, so if someone reverts me that's ok. I just think a little caution is warranted when the article is going to be seen by thousands of people today. Have a good day, Fang Aili ^talk 12:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

This article should never have been given FA status and you know it. The RFD does back regardless of IAR whatever that may be. Albatross2147 12:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not interested in arguing the merits of the article. My only issue right now is the fact that a main-page article is going to have a deletion notice on it. Frankly, this looks terrible. This article has had featured status since March and I see no reason why we must discuss its possible deletion right now. --Fang Aili ^talk 12:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

So if it's OK if an article is substandard just so long as it has FA status? I don't think so. You obviously have some issues being an Admin if you operate in such a high handed way. Perhaps you should submit to a review yourself? However I am prepared to compromise. Will you personally restore what you have reversed? Albatross2147 12:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I see you seem to be living adjacent to the subject in Wisconsin. Is this clouding your judement in this case? Albatross2147 12:54, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

There's no reason to be argumentative. For the record, I'd never heard of Ernest Emerson before.

I will post a summary of events at the Emerson talk page. If someone else (not you or I) wants to restore the AfD, I have no problem with that. This will be my last post on the matter. --Fang Aili ^talk 12:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the subject lives in California. It makes me wonder if the article was actually written at all by the folks seeking to delete it. What exactly is the problem with the pictures? Some were from my collection, some uploaded by other collectors and a few were obtained with the permission of Emerson, himself? Is it because this is a weapons-related article that you have a problem with it? Mike Searson 15:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

PS, I read your note on my talkpage. If you want to work constructively with me on this, I have no objection. I know my writing style is not the best.Mike Searson 15:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Emerson Page

Yes someone did notice about the image...it's been addressed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iamunknown#Emerson_Page

So, back to the main issue at hand... if I want to edit a page, or rewrite the prose...rather than edit or change it or reword it, is it now wikipedia policy to post "Delete" on the article and hope it doesn't get removed? Is that what you're trying to tell me?--Mike Searson 04:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

feh. Point of view is not a reason for deletion. fix the article, put some sourced critism of Mr Emerson or his work in the article. and Please don't canvass. --Rocksanddirt 16:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Dual-citizenship

The US honors dual-citizenshipfor 2 countries only: Ireland and Israel. (I have friends of Greek and Iranian ancestry and those countries recognize it to six generations even if the US does not).

Both of my parents were born in Ireland and did have to renounce their Irish citizenship when they became US citizens (actually my dad's was Australian, long story). However children and grandchildren of Irish-born citizens can apply for and receive Irish citizenship...cost me about $500 with paperwork, etc. Technically my folks could reapply, but neither has any interest to do so. --Mike Searson 10:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Ernest Emerson FAR

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== Toonie vandals==

I note your revert of Toonscabbie as vandalism. In fact the word is used locally in daily speech the same way as Toonga Bay is but perhaps in more scathing tones. I can't find a documented source so I haven't included it as a colloquial synonym. Albatross2147 23:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

There are a lot of colloquial names for suburbs but often many of them are disparaging or discriminating. I don't think we need to include information that creates tensions in the communities. Cheers. J Bar 23:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Seven hills

I am not sure what you mean by dropping the image of the station, could you please explain further. With the Gallery I thought there was enough text there for its own section and I don't see how this could cause any harm as no text or images were removed. I also thought that the un-sourced information in the gallery was a bit much for a caption, thats why I turned this into its own section. I have just been through the page history and noticed that the picture of the station used to be in the gallery. The picture of the station is now in the infobox so I guess thats why its no longer in the gallery, but I don't recall removing it. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 23:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the above user Jbar transfered the image from gallery to infobox. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 23:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmmmmm, Sounds like I am in trouble for something. I don't know, you seem upset my good fellow. I cant see what I have done wrong here. I am not quite sure that images can be used as references. I don't know where those pictures where taken and only someone who lives there or passes by would no the area, I also don't think the photos prove all the facts stated in the text. Hmmmmmmmmmm, I am not that concerned about you reverting my edits and I don't know why you are so upset. You mention a train station image, Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, I don't recall removing any train station images, I do not remove images unless I take a picture of my own that is of superior quality, which they normally are. And I can also reply on you talk page in a civil manner which I have. Also whoever wrote text in that article should be pleased that I gave it a more prominent position. Thats all I can think of at the moment. One more thing, if someone has removed an image all you have to do is go through the page history and retrieve it and restore it, its quite simple. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 07:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be attacking me over little or nothing, why don't you just revert the Seven hills article, I think this should give you some peace. Also the text that I contribute involves going through 10 to 15 different sources, to piece out information to add to the article. I really don't think that me adding things bit by bit really concerns you, I have a high work rate when it comes to adding text (lately), now I am going back to add small amounts of content to some of the articles that I created from scratch, for this involves going through, like I said before 10 to 15 different sources of information, the article in question is almost finished but still needs a bit of polishing up and thats what I am doing. About your train station image, the one that you are accusing me of deleting, well I don't know any thing about that, maybe it got deleted for being a copyright violation or it could be in the page history, or maybe it never existed in the first place. I also think you need to tone it down with your attacks, for some reason I think you may be harassing just for the sake of harassing someone. I think its about time you stopped pestering and move on to bigger things, like creating articles or something. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 13:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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Knives and stuff

As you say: "I have decided if you can't beat 'em you might as well join 'em" So I have set up a page for my local award winning sausage maker, Paul Conway (butcher) to demonstrate what happens if the biography areas are allowed to include anyone who has ever achieved anything notable. I think he is the first butcher ever to get a page of his own, I even had to set up new categories for him. What a pain! That said his fillet steak is commendable.... Hopefully if folk realise that anyone can set up a user page on wikipedia, then either we simply agree that anything goes, or at some point someone draws a line in the sand. But its a tricky one, isnt it? Excalibur 13:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

You are right in saying "Conway actually seems to be notable - at least from this article". I suppose it broadens the concept of what it notable to include a butcher - the first on Wikipedia, but not I think, the last! I even had to create a category or two for him. Well, considering how very minor some of the actors and athletes who merit an entry, it would be mere snobbishness not to let the butchers, bakers and candlestick makers get onto the site, as long as they win a few competitions and do their job well like Paul. As for his pies, black pudding or haggis going into space or getting into a novel, you have just given me an idea...I'm sure it could be arranged with a little ingenuity!

"Can we create an Ernie award?"

Yes, that sounds like a great idea. Some ridiculous caricature barnstar showing a bald eagle with a bowie knife between its teeth (er beak) flying through outer space with a couple of planets in the background? It would be awarded to the ten most vain and bloated entries about living people we can find following a competition amongst wikipedians to identify them. Excalibur 15:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)