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{{dablink|This article is about the Spring and Autumn state. For the [[Three Kingdoms period]] state, see [[Eastern Wu]]. For [[Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms]] states with "Wu" in their names, see [[Wu (Ten Kingdoms)]] and [[Wuyue]].}}
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'''Wu''' (吳) was a state during the [[Spring and Autumn Period]] in [[China]]. The state of Wu straddled the mouth of the [[Yangtze River]] (Chang Jiang) east of the [[State of Chu]]. Considered a semi-barbarian state by ancient Chinese historians, its capital was [[Suzhou]].


According to [[Sima Qian]], the rulers of Wu claimed to be descended from Taibo, the elder uncle of King Wen of Zhou. Realising that his younger brother, Jili, was wiser than him, and deserved to inherit the throne, Taibo would have fled to Wu and settled there. Three generations later, King Wu of Zhou defeated the last Yin emperor, and enfeoffed the descendents of Taibo in Wu.
== Please Sign ==
Good Job finding my Secret Page. Please sign my Guest Book. Click on '''[[User:RyRy5/guestbook|Guest Book]]''' to sign. --'''[[User:RyRy5|<font color="blue">RyRy5</font>]] [[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="Red">(talk)</font>]]''' 00:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


The [[State of Jin]] aided Wu's rise to power as a useful ally against the State of Chu. In 584 BC, Wu rebelled against the State of Chu; the action occurred after being persuaded by Wuchen, a minister of the [[State of Jin]] who defected from Chu.
== What's wrong with adding a VERIFIED reference? ==
I don't understand why you're saying I cannot add a verified Wikipedia reference to the external links section. It specifically links to the character database on MyAnimeList. Please explain why you think this is 'advertising' or 'spam' as you put it. Thanks.
[[User:Ggyssler|Ggyssler]] ([[User talk:Ggyssler|talk]]) 16:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:Typically Wikipedia avoids external links except to official sites. The guidelines to external linking are here: [[Wikipedia:External links]]. If you want to use the links as a reference/source I'd recommend reading [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]]. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 17:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:In particular, see #1 and #10 of [[Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided]]. The pages you linked to do not necessarily provide additional information beyond what the Wikipedia article could contain and it could be classified as a social networking and/or fan site. By the way, I don't think you intended the links as advertising or spam, but that was the closest [[Wikipedia:WARN|warning template]] I could find. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 17:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:I should also note that you should avoid linking to your own websites, as it is a [[Wikipedia:External_links#Advertising_and_conflicts_of_interest|conflict of interest]]. From your user name I'm assuming you are Garrett Gyssler, the owner of MyAnimeList. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 18:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
::You shouldn't assume things. We all know what happens when you do that. Thanks for the help though. [[User:Ggyssler|Ggyssler]] ([[User talk:Ggyssler|talk]]) 18:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Hence why I stated my assumption, instead of just silently assuming. You're welcome! =) <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 18:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the comment <strike>below</strike>above why you're saying I cannot add a verified Wikipedia reference to the external links section. It specifically links to relevant content. Please ecplain why you see this as spamming or in fact advertising? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CAR Online|CAR Online]] ([[User talk:CAR Online|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CAR Online|contribs]]) 16:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The links referred to above were removed for being a social networking site. I have replied to your comments on your talk page. In the future please add new comments to the bottom of a section to help readability. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 16:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


Afterwards, Wu would be a constant threat to the state of Chu on its southeastern flank until its demise. Wu curried relationships with Chu's vassals in the Yangtze river region to weaken support for Chu. In 506 BC, Wu launched a surprise attack and occupied the capital of Chu. Afterwards, Wu was briefly the most powerful nation, and turned to other campaigns, defeating the [[State of Qi]] in 484 BC.
== Preview ==
Sorry about clogging up the page history, I manage a wikispace and know it makes a huge difference if you use the preview button, rather than just clicking save and seeing what happens.
NB. You know the concept car markup? How do I change the text/images in it? [[User:Hce95|Hce95]] ([[User talk:Hce95|talk]]) 17:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:Are you talking about the concept_automobile template? I don't think you can make changes without modifying the template source which would change the way it is displayed for all pages (not a good idea). What were you wanting to add to the article? <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 05:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity... [[User:Hce95|Hce95]] ([[User talk:Hce95|talk]]) 12:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


Ironically, Wu was later threatened by an upstart state to its south, the [[Yue (state)|State of Yue]]; the State of Chu aided Yue's rise to power as a counter to Wu. Although Wu won a major victory against Yue in 494 BC, it failed to completely subjugate Yue, helped in part by Yue's bribing of an important Wu minister. While Wu was engaged in a military campaign in the north, Yue launched a surprise attack on Wu in 482 BC and conquered the capital. Eventually, the State of Yue conquered Wu in 473 BC.
== Deleted Page ==
I understand your point about not adding promotional material to Wikipedia and my article, ([[VistaJet Holding]]), which was not meant to be promotional. I guess I used too much of the company's website text. VistaJet is a company similar to NetJets and I was trying to create an article similar to theirs. Please give me a copy of the source text so that I can rewrite it with content acceptable to Wikipedia. Also, I am the creator of the logo I uploaded, as well as the website text. If you look on the company's website under their press releases you will see I was appointed COO as of April 1st.


The leaders of Yue and Wu were kings, not dukes because they were considered "barbarian" states and did not petition the nominal Zhou court for peerage.
Thanks for your help,


Wu and Yue were masters of metallurgy, fabricating excellent swords, with incised messages, geometric patterns and inlaid gold or silver. Examples include the spearhead of King [[Fuchai]], the sword of Prince Guang (the name of King Helu before he became King) or [[King Helu of Wu]].
[[User:2McDonnell|2McDonnell]] ([[User talk:2McDonnell|talk]]) 00:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
==Possible connection with ancient Japan==
:Articles need to be written with a [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point of view]]. See also the [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|five pillars of Wikipedia]]. Because you are affiliated with VistaJet you have a [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest]]. It would be best if someone unaffiliated wrote the article. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 02:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Haniwa1.jpg|thumb|200px|left|A tattooed Haniwa statue, 5th-6th century, Kamiyasaku Tomb, Fukushima [[Fukushima Prefecture]].]]
::I understand your point of view, however that doesn't mean I can't (or shouldn't) initiate a neutral article. As such, can you please give me a copy of the source text so that I can rewrite it with content acceptable to Wikipedia. Thanks,
The first Wu Kingdom was united by [[Wu Taibo|Taibo]] during the [[Spring and Autumn Period]]. Originally considered a barbarian state, the people of the Wu Kingdom became [[Sinicized]] during the [[Warring States Period]]. Ambassadoral visits to [[Japan]] by the later Northern Chinese dynasties [[Northern Wei Dynasty|Wei]] and [[Jin Dynasty (265-420)]] recorded that the [[Wa (Japan)|Wō people]] of Japan claimed to be descendants of the Grand Count (Tàibó) of the Kingdom of Wu.<ref>''Encounters of the Eastern Barbarians'', Wei Chronicles</ref> Historical records also show that the ancient Japanese had similar lifestyles and customs as pre-Sinicized inhabitants of the Wu Kingdom, including tattooing, ritual teeth-pulling, and baby-carrying on backs. The Japanese tradition of eating raw fish is common in the Wu area of Jiangsu and Zhejiang. Tattooing examples are found on [[Haniwa]] statues with red paint on hands and faces. However, the [[Japanese language]] can be directly linked neither to the [[Wu dialect]] nor to any other [[Chinese languages|Chinese language]] (NB: The [[Japanese language]] appears to be similar to the language of the [[Qiang]], an ancient people in China according to http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%BE%8C%E6%97%8F). However Japanese is commonly classified as either a [[language isolate]], or a member of the controversial [[Altaic]] family, whilst Qiang is part of the [[Sino-Tibetan]], language family. [[Wu Taibo|Taibo]] was from the State of Zhou before Zhou became powerful enough. Historically, Zhou people and [[Qiang]] people were very closely related.) The Zhou and the Qiang are both Sino-tibetan peoples too, because the Zhou were the ancestors of the Chinese along with Shang, and the Zhou language was an ancient form of Chinese, hence it must have belonged to the Sino-Tibetan language family. But it should be noted that language has sometimes nothing to do with relations or ethnicity due to the fact that some peoples may adopt the language of another, or may combine into another language.
::[[User:2McDonnell|2McDonnell]] ([[User talk:2McDonnell|talk]]) 03:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't have a copy of the article. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 14:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::OK, how do I get a copy? Thanks, [[User:2McDonnell|2McDonnell]] ([[User talk:2McDonnell|talk]]) 18:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I do not know. You could try asking an admin. However, since all the information was more or less copied and pasted from the official website I don't see how this would be of much use anyway. I would highly recommend letting someone without a conflict of interest create the article. It would be much less likely to be deleted in that case, especially if it cites independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 23:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


==See also==
== Some advice please...? ==
*[[King Liao of Wu]]
Hi there
*[[King Helu of Wu]]
*[[King Fuchai of Wu]]
*[[Wu Zixu]]
*[[Sun Tzu]]


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You recently removed links to Facebook group links I had made to certain articles. can i ask, does myspace fall under the same removal rules? because i have found others adding myspace links and would like to know if i should revert these for the same reasons? Many thanks '''[[User:Deltasquared|<font style="color:#488AC7">δ</font><font style="color:#2B547E">²</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:Deltasquared|<font color="#FF9900">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 21:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:In general MySpace links should not be included either. In fact, MySpace is mentioned specifically on the [[Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided|external links guidelines page]]. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 21:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, so just to be clear, this is to do with the Lucy Pinder page. I maintain it at the moment and somone has added a link to her "official" page on myspace. shall i remove it? '''[[User:Deltasquared|<font style="color:#488AC7">δ</font><font style="color:#2B547E">²</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:Deltasquared|<font color="#FF9900">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 22:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Since you already have a link to an official site which is not MySpace I would recommend deleting the MySpace link. If it were the only official site and it was confirmed that that was an official site, then it would be a harder decision. I would also recommend removing the unofficial fan site under the external links. If you need more guidance you could try asking on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam|WikiProject Spam]]. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 22:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I took a closer look at the link. I don't see any proof that it is an official page. In addition to that, it requires registration because the profile is set to private. This falls under #6 of "Links normally to be avoided" on the [[Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided|external links page]]. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 23:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Thanks swaq, do you mind having a look at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Pinder#External_links page] to see if this is acceptable? Regards '''[[User:Deltasquared|<font style="color:#488AC7">δ</font><font style="color:#2B547E">²</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:Deltasquared|<font color="#FF9900">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 01:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Welcome. Looks alright to me. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 03:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


==References==
== Happy Holidays ==
{{Reflist}}
Um, thanks? (I read the explanation on another talk page you posted this on but I still don't get why...) <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 14:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


[[Category:Ancient Chinese states]]
== Koenigsegg external link ==
Hello,


[[cs:Království Wu]]
I added a legitimate external link to a company and that link was removed by a user, which I found wrong. We conducted an interview with the company about it's products and employees and this article added useful and deeper information that was missing from the company profile. The company I'm referring to is called Koenigsegg and my magazine spent a day interviewing the owners of the company. Can anyone please explain how I may have violated the guidelines if I'm adding more information - legitimate information - abou the company? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bihac008|Bihac008]] ([[User talk:Bihac008|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bihac008|contribs]]) 12:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
[[de:Wu (Staat)]]
:Because you were involved with the company doing the interview you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. This means the link addition could be considered advertising, especially since almost all your edits have been adding links. Also, the site you linked to required registration to view the content, which is against Wikipedia guidelines. See [[Wikipedia:External links]] for more information. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 16:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[[fr:Wu (État)]]

[[zh-classical:吳]]
::Dear Squaw,
[[ko:오 (춘추)]]

[[it:Wu (stato)]]
::I am user Bihac008. You sent me a warning about "spamming" which has surprised me. I find it difficult to understand how my links fall under that category given I'm adding valuable content. It is not my intention to "spam" I hate spammers. I would like you to contact me and tell me what it is I'm doing that is inappropriate. I cannot defend myself if I don't know what is upsetting you.
[[nl:Wu (staat)]]

[[ja:呉 (春秋)]]
::Please respond clearly, and coherently, and then please guide me as to how I may be a "responsible" content contributor.
[[no:Wu (stat)]]

[[sk:Wu (štát)]]
::Anxiously awaiting your response,
[[sh:Wu (država)]]

[[sv:Wu (stat)]]
::Bihac008 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bihac008|Bihac008]] ([[User talk:Bihac008|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bihac008|contribs]]) 18:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
[[vi:Ngô (nước)]]
:::Please read the [[Wikipedia:External links|guidelines for external links]]. The site you added falls under "Links normally to be avoided" #6 and possible #4 and #13. Also, since you said "We conducted an interview..." I'm assuming you are affiliated with the site to which you linked. This means you have a conflict of interest, which makes the links advertising suspects. If you want to be a helpful contributor to Wikipedia then I recommend starting by reading the [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|five pillars of Wikipedia]]. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 18:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[[zh:吴国]]

::::I think I understand now. So, if I'm the editor of a publication, regardless of whether or not I believe the material is substansial, educational, or informative, I'm not allowed to add an external link? A reader may?

::::Well, then publications like the Guardian, Der Spiegel, Thelocal.se which all have super amounts of external links throughout Wikepedia seem to have "external" people plugging away their articles. Have you investigated these media?

::::No worries. I shall add no more links to Wikipedia nor shall I ever use it as a credible and unbiased source of information given it seems users have figured out a way around these rules. How do we know if the material we read are accurate? If it is possible to add English content to topics where lacking, unbiased, researched English information then one should be able to do so.

::::But...these are your rules. Rules are rules.

::::Bihac008 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bihac008|Bihac008]] ([[User talk:Bihac008|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bihac008|contribs]]) 18:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::::I have not looked at those other sites, but it is possible they should be removed as well depending on if they meet the [[WP:EL|external linking guidelines]]. If you think there is a violation you could bring it up at [[Wikipedia_talk:Spam]]. I tend to watch the automobile articles. Sites used as references or sources in Wikipedia articles should meet the guidelines for [[WP:RS|reliable sources]].
:::::By the way, you should indent replies on talk pages with colons (<nowiki>:</nowiki>) and sign comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 18:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==AfD nomination of Audi R8 TDI Le Mans==
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]An article that you have been involved in editing, [[Audi R8 TDI Le Mans]], has been listed for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Audi R8 TDI Le Mans]]. Thank you. <small>Do you want to [[Template:Bots#Message notification opt out|opt out]] of receiving this notice?</small><!-- Template:adw --> -- [[User:Teutonic Tamer|Teutonic_Tamer]] <small>([[User talk:Teutonic Tamer|talk to Teutonic_Tamer]])</small> 11:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

==Xdelta and XDELTA==
just so you know - Xdelta as referenced in [[Revision Control System]] is a different thing than the XDELTA debugger [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 16:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, I'm quite aware of that. I'm still not sure why it needs a link when the article has been deleted. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 17:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
::People put links to topics that they may write - as a rule, I'd only remove those redlinks after I investigated and found that the topic isn't likely to be notable. Xdelta (compression) probably is notable. So I restored the links you removed. [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 17:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Xdelta was deleted for not being notable: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xdelta]]. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 17:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I see (given the commenters, unsurprising). [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 17:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Regarding the other links you removed, [[WP:SEEALSO|Wikipedia guidelines]] state that See also sections should not contain links to articles which do not exist. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 17:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Software and A7 ==
Hmm, yeah, A7 never applies to software. My only thinking is that the deleting admin thought it was web content, as in a website, rather than a software program. Or they didn't understand the policy at all, which unfortunately applies to a few admins. For future reference, always AfD a software program. I'm not going to undelete the other one because it would've been deleted anyway, but the admin should have followed the rules there; otherwise what's the point in having them? You were right to query it. :) Thanks, [[User:PeterSymonds|PeterSymonds]] [[User talk:PeterSymonds|<small>(talk)</small>]] 18:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, thanks. I'll change my other A7 speedy to an AfD too then. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 18:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks for the Asimo edits ==
Thanks for the nice link cleanup work on the [[Asimo]] article. :) [[User:RainbowOfLight|<font color="#D60047">Rainbow</font><font color="#00A300">Of</font><font color="#0A47FF">Light</font>]] [[User_Talk:RainbowOfLight|<font color="#5200A3"><sup><small>Talk</small></sup></font>]] 05:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:No problem. I came across it rather randomly and decided it could use a little work. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 15:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

== Removed comment about Lotus Cars new advertising campaign involving "faceless aliens" ==
You removed a point added to Lotus Cars' article about their new advertising campaign involving "faceless aliens" in prominent venues across London. You're not was that the point constituted vandalism. Exactly why? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.158.193.39|81.158.193.39]] ([[User talk:81.158.193.39|talk]]) 10:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Your addition was not [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|sourced]]. Faceless aliens are typically not associated with car companies and your addition did not explain how they were connected, so I assumed vandalism. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 01:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

== SAMBA disambiguation page ==
Please explain the rationale for your removal of my edit adding the Special Agents Mutual Benefit Association. You failed to leave an edit summary. Thanks. [[User:REL1870|REL1870]] ([[User talk:REL1870|talk]]) 21:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Red links|Red links]] are discouraged on disambiguation pages, as they are designed for navigation of Wikipedia, not as comprehensive lists. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 01:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vbuzzer ==
I added some references to [[Vbuzzer]]. You may want to revisit [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vbuzzer]]. --[[User:Eastmain|Eastmain]] ([[User talk:Eastmain|talk]]) 19:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Airline codes-A‎ ==
Please do not delete links to valid future articles. Almost every airline is notable. The fact that an article may have been deleted does not mean that the airline is not notable and that a proper article will not be written. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 21:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
:I was just following the [[Wikipedia:Red link|red link guidelines]]. Both articles I unlinked were deleted for not asserting notability. I'm not saying that they aren't notable and won't have an article in the future, but in general articles that have been deleted should not have links. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 22:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

== Why are you doing this to me ? ==
Hello,
just wanted to ask one thing : the info I've added to the Lamborghini pages are perfectly correct, apparently there were some issues with a lambocars account that leads you to believe I'm not legit ??
I've been collecting all things about Lamborghini since childhood, browsed thousands of pages of the years and found lambocars.com to be a valuable source, I'm sure his info is verified with the factory. As for the production numbers on the GT, Valentino himself told me there were 83 cars built, the factory museum car is not numbered by the way as nr 80/80 was already sold when they built it.

I have responded to your accusations on the page, please read that reply too, I'm not referencing lambocars.com only, added several articles from other sites too. I'm feeling really bad about this personal attack on me, I wanted to contribute something useful to these pages, but get punished because of some issues with another member.
Johan - [[User:WikiBull|WikiBull]] ([[User talk:WikiBull|talk]]) 18:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

:Being "correct" does not necessarily mean something should be included in an article. See [[WP:NOT]] and [[WP:TRIVIA]]. As for the site itself, I'm skeptical that it is a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] (see also [[WP:V]]), but even if it is that doesn't mean it should be spammed as a reference. I will respond further in the sock puppet case. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 18:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

::I can see your point in this, but why haven't you replied to my comments on the sock puppet case ? This really feels like you're just trying to hurt people with your actions, I've been losing sleep over your accusations, don't know if this is really worth all the hassle, just wanted to become an editor, but I guess I'll just keep away from these pages. The info and facts on the Lamborgini pages contain real errors you know, just wanted to correct them. [[User:WikiBull|WikiBull]] ([[User talk:WikiBull|talk]]) 07:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

== Suspected sock report on [[User:Kumarrao|Kumarrao]] ==
Hello Swaq. I've just resubmitted this report, which had a formatting problem. It is now at [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kumarrao]]. Please add your own comment about how this matter came to your attention. I thought I would try to close this, because it is the report which has been open the longest at [[WP:SSP]]. But it is hard to see what the problem is. Maybe there is more evidence that has not yet been included. Please see my comment, and explain any remaining problem that you think needs to be addressed. If you are satisfied, perhaps the report can be closed with no further ado. The two editors named in the report had not been notified, and I've just done that. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 01:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
:Sorry for the mixup. It was Indianprithvi who actually submitted the report. He seems to have made a technical error. I fixed the records. There is nothing more you need to do here! [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 13:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
::That's alright. I guess he must have copied and pasted from my report [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/200.48.161.52&diff=prev&oldid=237572041 here]. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 14:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== 250 GTO ==
I don't understand what is meant by "'''brakes' is an invalid infobox field''" as the edit summary re. deletion of "Dunlop" from "Dunlop [[disc brakes]]"; would be grateful for enlightenment! Thanks — [[User:Writegeist|Writegeist]] ([[User talk:Writegeist|talk]]) 23:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:There is no 'brakes' field in [[:Template:Infobox_Automobile]]. The edit summary was not referring to removing the word "Dunlop", but the line in the infobox. I was further reverting the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ferrari_250_GTO&diff=241002890&oldid=240645857 additions] by [[User:Bd64kcmo|Bd64kcmo]] that added the bits on Dunlop brakes, since they were unsourced and possibly non-notable. <font color="#9eee00">[[User:Swaq|swa]]</font><font color="#009eee">[[User talk:Swaq|q]]</font> 02:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
::Aha. Thank you. [[User:Writegeist|Writegeist]] ([[User talk:Writegeist|talk]]) 16:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

== User:J.delanoy/chess‎ ==

Yes it was a mistake on my part. I was tired and not really paying attention, sorry about that. The world can still win! <font face="Copperplate Gothic Bold"> [[User:OllieFury|<font color="228B22">Ollie]] [[User talk:OllieFury|<font color="FF0000">Fury]] <sub>''[[Special:Contributions/OllieFury|<font color="7B68EE">Contribs]]''</sub></font></font face color> 18:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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State of Wu
BCE–473 BCE
in BCE
in BCE
StatusKingdom
Capital
and largest city
[[]]
Common languagesOld Chinese, Native language on the non sinicized aboriginals
Religion
Taoism, Chinese folk religion, ancestor worship
GovernmentMonarchy
King 
• BCE– BCE
[[]]
• BCE– BCE
[[]]
Chancellor 
• 221 BCE–203 BCE
Wu Zixu
History 
• Foundation by Taibo
BCE
• Defeated by Yue
473 BCE
CurrencyChinese coin
Preceded by
Succeeded by
Zhou Dynasty
Warring States Period
[[Yue (state)]]
Han Dynasty

Wu (吳) was a state during the Spring and Autumn Period in China. The state of Wu straddled the mouth of the Yangtze River (Chang Jiang) east of the State of Chu. Considered a semi-barbarian state by ancient Chinese historians, its capital was Suzhou.

According to Sima Qian, the rulers of Wu claimed to be descended from Taibo, the elder uncle of King Wen of Zhou. Realising that his younger brother, Jili, was wiser than him, and deserved to inherit the throne, Taibo would have fled to Wu and settled there. Three generations later, King Wu of Zhou defeated the last Yin emperor, and enfeoffed the descendents of Taibo in Wu.

The State of Jin aided Wu's rise to power as a useful ally against the State of Chu. In 584 BC, Wu rebelled against the State of Chu; the action occurred after being persuaded by Wuchen, a minister of the State of Jin who defected from Chu.

Afterwards, Wu would be a constant threat to the state of Chu on its southeastern flank until its demise. Wu curried relationships with Chu's vassals in the Yangtze river region to weaken support for Chu. In 506 BC, Wu launched a surprise attack and occupied the capital of Chu. Afterwards, Wu was briefly the most powerful nation, and turned to other campaigns, defeating the State of Qi in 484 BC.

Ironically, Wu was later threatened by an upstart state to its south, the State of Yue; the State of Chu aided Yue's rise to power as a counter to Wu. Although Wu won a major victory against Yue in 494 BC, it failed to completely subjugate Yue, helped in part by Yue's bribing of an important Wu minister. While Wu was engaged in a military campaign in the north, Yue launched a surprise attack on Wu in 482 BC and conquered the capital. Eventually, the State of Yue conquered Wu in 473 BC.

The leaders of Yue and Wu were kings, not dukes because they were considered "barbarian" states and did not petition the nominal Zhou court for peerage.

Wu and Yue were masters of metallurgy, fabricating excellent swords, with incised messages, geometric patterns and inlaid gold or silver. Examples include the spearhead of King Fuchai, the sword of Prince Guang (the name of King Helu before he became King) or King Helu of Wu.

Possible connection with ancient Japan

A tattooed Haniwa statue, 5th-6th century, Kamiyasaku Tomb, Fukushima Fukushima Prefecture.

The first Wu Kingdom was united by Taibo during the Spring and Autumn Period. Originally considered a barbarian state, the people of the Wu Kingdom became Sinicized during the Warring States Period. Ambassadoral visits to Japan by the later Northern Chinese dynasties Wei and Jin Dynasty (265-420) recorded that the Wō people of Japan claimed to be descendants of the Grand Count (Tàibó) of the Kingdom of Wu.[1] Historical records also show that the ancient Japanese had similar lifestyles and customs as pre-Sinicized inhabitants of the Wu Kingdom, including tattooing, ritual teeth-pulling, and baby-carrying on backs. The Japanese tradition of eating raw fish is common in the Wu area of Jiangsu and Zhejiang. Tattooing examples are found on Haniwa statues with red paint on hands and faces. However, the Japanese language can be directly linked neither to the Wu dialect nor to any other Chinese language (NB: The Japanese language appears to be similar to the language of the Qiang, an ancient people in China according to http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%BE%8C%E6%97%8F). However Japanese is commonly classified as either a language isolate, or a member of the controversial Altaic family, whilst Qiang is part of the Sino-Tibetan, language family. Taibo was from the State of Zhou before Zhou became powerful enough. Historically, Zhou people and Qiang people were very closely related.) The Zhou and the Qiang are both Sino-tibetan peoples too, because the Zhou were the ancestors of the Chinese along with Shang, and the Zhou language was an ancient form of Chinese, hence it must have belonged to the Sino-Tibetan language family. But it should be noted that language has sometimes nothing to do with relations or ethnicity due to the fact that some peoples may adopt the language of another, or may combine into another language.

See also

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References

  1. ^ Encounters of the Eastern Barbarians, Wei Chronicles