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A '''ghetto''' is described as a "portion of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure."<ref>[http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ghetto ghetto - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> |
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The term 'Ghetto' was originally used to refer to the [[Venetian Ghetto]] in [[Venice]], [[Italy]] where Jews were forced to live. The word "ghetto" actually means "[[foundry]]" in Italian, a reference to a foundry located on the same island as the area of Jewish confinement.<ref>http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=ghetto&searchmode=none</ref> |
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The corresponding [[German language|German]] term was ''Judengasse'' (lit. ''Jew's Lane'') known as the [[Jewish Quarter (diaspora)|Jewish Quarter]]. The term came into widespread use in [[Ghettos in occupied Europe 1939-1944]] where the Jews were required to live prior to their transportation to concentration and death camps. |
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how much did Guinness pay for the ad on wiki, and can I pay for the same? [[Special:Contributions/81.76.3.166|81.76.3.166]] ([[User talk:81.76.3.166|talk]]) 18:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC) |
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The term "ghetto" still has a similar meaning, but referring to broader range of social situations, such as any poverty-stricken [[urban area]]. |
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:Hello there. Because Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, and a registered charity, we are not funded by advertising. You would not have seen this product advertised, and we would not accept payments for advertising. Best, [[User:PeterSymonds|PeterSymonds]] [[User talk:PeterSymonds|<small>(talk)</small>]] 19:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC) |
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A Ghetto is formed in three ways:<ref>[http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/nerr/rr1997/spring/glsr97_2.htm Ghettos: The Changing Consequences of Ethnic Isolation]</ref> |
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*As ports of entry for racial minorities, and immigrant racial minorities. |
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*When the majority uses compulsion (typically violence, hostility, or legal barriers) to force minorities into particular areas. |
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*When economic conditions make it difficult for minority members to live in non-minority areas. |
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::I suspect that 81.76 is referring to the appearance of [[noitulovE]] as Today's Featured Article. [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] <sup>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>• 22:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)</small> |
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==Jewish Ghettos== |
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:::This has got to be the 10th time I've seen someone with this same complaint. The fact of the matter is that Wikipedia's editors are primarily young white males, and what do young white males enjoy more than pop culture? [[Special:Contributions/98.207.43.214|98.207.43.214]] ([[User talk:98.207.43.214|talk]]) 23:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC) |
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{{main| Jewish Quarter (diaspora) | Jewish ghettos in Europe | Mellah | Ghettos in occupied Europe 1939-1944}} |
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:I wonder how much [[Tyrone Wheatley]] payed us to put him on the front page or [[The Beatles]] or the [[Anglo-Saxon chronicle]]. For that matter, we must be getting huge amounts of money from the [[United States Congress]]. They've been on the front page all week. [[Special:Contributions/66.231.141.34|66.231.141.34]] ([[User talk:66.231.141.34|talk]]) 04:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, and look at how many blurbs and such there are for the Wikimedia Foundation... they must be spending a ''fortune'' on ads here. [[User:Aylad|Aylad]] [[User_talk:Aylad|['ɑɪlæd]]] 05:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Though, 98.207.43.214 does have a point about young white males. Just because WP covers all topics, does not mean its editors have wide-ranging interests. Some topics receive more attention than others. [[Special:Contributions/118.90.18.154|118.90.18.154]] ([[User talk:118.90.18.154|talk]]) 06:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:See [[Wikipedia:Systemic bias]] for more on that. -[[User:Elmer Clark|Elmer Clark]] ([[User talk:Elmer Clark|talk]]) 08:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Yeah, like black people aren't hooked on pop culture either. [[Special:Contributions/210.50.99.56|210.50.99.56]] ([[User talk:210.50.99.56|talk]]) 16:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Hey, hey, we aren't trying to spark an uncivil conflict here...no need to press this discussion further, I think the necessary points have already been made. <font face="Gill Sans MT">[[User:IceUnshattered|I]][[Special:Contributions/IceUnshattered|<font color="#9CBCC9">''c''</font>]][[User:IceUnshattered|<font color="darkblue">eUnshattered</font>]] <sup>[ [[User talk:IceUnshattered|t]] ]</sup></font> 22:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Today's Featured Media (5th October) == |
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In the [[Jewish diaspora]], a [[Jewish Quarter (diaspora)|Jewish quarter]] is the area of a city traditionally inhabited by [[Jew]]s. Jewish quarters, like the [[Jewish ghettos in Europe]], were often the outgrowths of segregated ghettos instituted by the surrounding Christian authorities or in World War Two, the Nazis. A [[Yiddish language|Yiddish]] term for a Jewish quarter or neighborhood is ''"Di yiddishe gas"'' ({{lang-yi|די ייִדדישע גאַס }} ), or "The Jewish street". Many [[Europe]]an and [[Middle East]]ern cities once had a historical Jewish quarter and some still have it. |
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I'd just like to say that I found the featured video today very moving. Thank you. [[User:TleilaxuMaster|TleilaxuMaster]] ([[User talk:TleilaxuMaster|talk]]) 12:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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[[Jewish ghettos in Europe]] existed because [[Jew]]s were viewed as alien due to being a cultural minority and due to their non-Christian beliefs in a Renaissance Christian environment. As a result, Jews were placed under strict regulations throughout many European cities.<ref name="Pearson">[http://kpearson.faculty.tcnj.edu/Dictionary/ghetto.htm GHETTO] Kim Pearson</ref> The character of ghettos has varied through times. In some cases, the ghetto was a [[Jewish Quarter (diaspora)|Jewish quarter]] with a relatively affluent population (for instance the Jewish ghetto in Venice). In other cases, ghettos were places of terrible poverty and during periods of population growth, ghettos had narrow streets and tall, crowded houses. Residents had their own justice system. Around the ghetto stood walls that, during [[pogrom]]s, were closed from inside to protect the community, but from the outside during [[Christmas]], [[Pesach]], and [[Easter Week]] to prevent the Jews from leaving during those times. |
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:I thought of it as a snuff movie; those are actual people being killed. [[User:EamonnPKeane|EamonnPKeane]] ([[User talk:EamonnPKeane|talk]]) 13:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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A ''[[mellah]]'' ([[Arabic language|Arabic]] ملاح, probably from the word ملح, Arabic for "salt") is a walled [[Jew]]ish quarter of a city in [[Morocco]], an analogue of the European ghetto. Jewish population were confined to mellahs in Morocco beginning from the 15th century and especially since the early 19th century. In cities, a ''mellah'' was surrounded by a wall with a fortified gateway. Usually, the Jewish quarter was situated near the royal palace or the residence of the governor, in order to protect its inhabitants from recurring riots. In contrast, rural ''mellahs'' were separate villages inhabited solely by the Jews. |
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::I didn't think anything of it since it just gets stuck in buffer mode. Why put a video on the front page of Wikipedia which we already know has terrible server capacity? Stick to photos. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/174.148.15.99|174.148.15.99]] ([[User talk:174.148.15.99|talk]]) 16:04, 5 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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During [[World War II]], [[ghettos in occupied Europe 1939-1944]] were established by the [[Nazism|Nazis]] to confine [[Jew]]s and sometimes [[Roma people|Gypsies]] into tightly packed areas of the cities of [[Eastern Europe]], turning them into ''de-facto'' [[concentration camp]]s and death camps in [[the Holocaust]]. Though the common usage is ghetto, the Nazis most often referred to these areas in documents and signage at their entrances as ''Judischer Wohnberzirk'' or ''Wohngebiet der Juden'' (German); both translate as [[Jewish Quarter (diaspora)|Jewish Quarter]]. These Nazi ghettos used to concentrate Jews before extermination sometimes coincided with traditional Jewish ghettos and Jewish quarters, but not always. Expediency was the key factor for the Nazis in the [[Final Solution]]. Nazi ghettos as stepping stones on the road to the extermination of European Jewry existed for varying amounts of time, usually the function of the number of Jews who remained to be killed but also because of the employment of Jews as slave labor by the [[Wehrmacht]] and other German institutions, until [[Heinrich Himmler]]'s decree issued on June 21, 1943, ordering the dissolution of all ghettos in the East and their transformation into [[concentration camps]].<ref>''Ghetto in Flames'' Yitzhak Arad, pp. 436-437</ref> |
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:::I also struggled to see it, and didn't see the whole thing until I downloaded it and installed a plugin for WMP, which still crashed the player after the video had finished. I really don't think there's anything wrong with sticking to more common formats, like MP3 and AVI, but I doubt that's going to change. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 16:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Indeed, that is why I found it so interesting Eamonn. The distanced and almost casual attitude, looking through a crosshair at individuals, the ease of which they are dispensed with, etc. Comparisons could be drawn between it and looking at bacterium in a Petri dish. The way individuals and society gives lip-service to the abhorring of murder while society itself commits these crimes through individuals...I could go on. I didnt have any problems streaming here. (England.) [[User:TleilaxuMaster|TleilaxuMaster]] ([[User talk:TleilaxuMaster|talk]]) 16:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::I'd love to comment on the video, but it never manages to finish loading and the download abruptly cancels before the halfway mark for me. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 17:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Myn expernce is that your best bet is to instal VLC media player.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 18:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::AVI, WMV and MP3 are proprietary, copyrighted formats. Using them goes against Wikipedia's licensing statement (GFDL and so on), see [[meta:Video policy|here]] and [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2004-July/011546.html here]. You can install [http://www.free-codecs.com/download/k_lite_Mega_Codec_Pack.htm the K-Lite Mega Codec Pack] (files playable in any other media player or included [[Media Player Classic]]) or [http://www.videolan.org/ VLC] ([[VLC|article]], contains mainly the same codecs as KLMCP, but they're built in so only VLC can use them) and the files will play fine in your browser and once downloaded to a folder. —[[User:Vanderdecken|Vanderdecken]]∴ '''[[User talk:Vanderdecken|∫]][[Special:Emailuser/Vanderdecken|ξ]][[Special:Contributions/Vanderdecken|φ]]''' 21:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::So there are no freeware media players that play them? Are you saying that someone using a freeware operating system would be unable to use them? [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 21:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::freeware? Not relivant. Wikipedia's standards are [[FOSS]]. There are players built on FOSS systems but they have legal issues.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 23:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::In any case, note that freeware or not, in some countries you need a patent license to use patented codecs. Normally the person who develops the codec seeks a licence on behalf of the user but this may not be the case with freeware codecs. While codec patent holder have never (to my knowledge) persued home end users for patent claims, it doesn't mean it's okay to expect people to have to infringe patents to play a file [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 13:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::A snuff movie is when you kill someone purely to film them dying, so this isn't a snuff movie because the reason for their deaths wasn't related to the film. If it was merely a snuff movie it would have been a lot less sick and disturbing. --[[Special:Contributions/86.167.18.59|86.167.18.59]] ([[User talk:86.167.18.59|talk]]) 00:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== United States == |
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can you guys put where it is located <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.237.227.21|67.237.227.21]] ([[User talk:67.237.227.21|talk]]) 22:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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===History=== |
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:What are you referring to? The location where the video is shot? Please clarify. Also, it you would sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~)</nowiki>, that would be appreciated. <font face="Gill Sans MT">[[User:IceUnshattered|I]][[Special:Contributions/IceUnshattered|<font color="#9CBCC9">''c''</font>]][[User:IceUnshattered|<font color="darkblue">eUnshattered</font>]] <sup>[ [[User talk:IceUnshattered|t]] ]</sup></font> 22:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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The [[Irish people|Irish]] immigrants of the 19th century were the first ethnic group to form [[ethnic enclave]]s in America’s cities, followed by [[Italian people|Italians]] and [[Polish people|Poles]] in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Irish and Eastern European immigrants in the early twentieth century actually were more segregated than blacks of that area |
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. They lived almost as segregated as blacks do today.<ref name="Glaeser">''[http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/nerr/rr1997/spring/glsr97_2.htm Ghettos: The Changing Consequences of Ethnic Isolation]</ref> Most Europeans lived like bannahs immigrants, the second or third generation families were able to relocate to better housing in the [[suburbs]] after [[World War II]] if possible. |
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== A featured pic hat trick == |
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Other ethnic ghettos in New York were the [[Lower East Side]] in [[Manhattan, New York]], which, until the 1990s {{Fact|date=May 2008}}, was predominantly [[Jewish]], and [[Spanish Harlem]], which was home to a large [[Puerto Ricans in the United States|Puerto Rican]] community dated back to the 1930s. [[Little Italy]]s across the country were predominantly Italian ghettos. |
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I see we have one of the pictures from [[crepuscular rays]] on the Main Page today. I'm not sure we had them on the Main Page at the time but both [[:Image:Crepuscular rays color.jpg|this crep-ray pic]] and [[:Image:Crepuscular ray sunset from telstra tower edit.jpg|this one]] have been on Picture of the Day as well, making it possibly (and understandably, given how tempting they are as a subject when you see them and have a camera in hand) the only subject to be represented by three Pictures of the Day. Good work! [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 01:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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In the [[United States]], between the abolition of [[slavery]] and the passing of the [[civil rights]] laws of the 1960s, discriminatory [[mores]] (sometimes codified in [[law]], or through [[redlining]]) often forced urban [[African American]]s to live in specific neighborhoods, which became known as "ghettos."{{Fact|date=May 2008}} |
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== NRL grand final == |
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===Black ghettos=== |
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How is the result of the NRL grand final worthy of a position in the 'In the news' section? Shouldn't this be about events of global, or at least national significance? The NRL grand final is neither. I call for it to be removed. [[User:Suicup|Suicup]] ([[User talk:Suicup|talk]]) 00:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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{{seealso|White flight|Racial segregation in the United States}} |
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:It's not from the U.S. so it made it. WTF. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]''' 02:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Black-White segregation in the US is decreasing fairly consistently in most places due to several factors. Despite these pervasive patterns, many changes for individual areas remain insignificant.<ref>''Inequality and Segregation'' |
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::That "news" is completely irrelevant to most of the world (ie non NRL watching Australians). It's neatly sandwiched between topics of greater notability, say the Nobel prize (HIV) and the arguably the world's biggest economic crisis. The contrast in notability is very clear. Whilst it has an article, it is not main page material. [[Special:Contributions/129.78.149.91|129.78.149.91]] ([[User talk:129.78.149.91|talk]]) 06:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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R Sethi, R Somanathan - Journal of Political Economy, 2004</ref>. Thirty years after the African-American civil rights era (1955-1968), the United States remains a residentially segregated society in which blacks and whites inhabit different neighborhoods of vastly different quality.<ref>''SEGREGATION AND STRATIFICATION: A Biosocial Perspective'' Douglas S. Massey Du Bois Review: Social Science Research on Race (2004), 1: 7-25 Cambridge University Press</ref><ref>''Inequality and Segregation'' Rajiv Sethi and Rohini Somanathan ''Journal of Political Economy'', volume 112 (2004), pages 1296–1321 </ref> Cities throughout history have contained distinct ethnic districts but they have rarely been as isolated and impoverished as some of the [[African American neighborhoods]] found in U.S. cities.<ref name="Glaeser">...</ref> The racial segregation found in ghettos can lead to social, economic and political tensions.<ref name="Keating">http://books.google.com/books?id=O0bnHQAACAAJ The Suburban Racial Dilemma: Housing and Neighborhoods] By William Dennis Keating. Temple University Press. 1994. ISBN 1566391474 </ref> |
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:::I've removed it. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 06:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Personally, I think that was a mistake. We routinely list the championship games of major sporting finals, very few of which are of global importance. Just because it was Australia rather than North America or Western Europe hardly means it is less notable. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 01:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Lemme make it clear that ITN only calls for "''international'' importance or ''interest''," not global importance/significance. Otherwise there'll be a dearth of items eligible for ITN. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]''' 05:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Any further discussion should take place either at [[WP:ITN/C]] or [[WT:ITN]] [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 19:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Main Page redesign proposal == |
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Due to segregated conditions and widespread [[poverty]] some black neighborhoods in the United States have been called "ghettos". Most of these neighborhoods are in Northeastern cities where African Americans moved during [[Great Migration (African American)|The Great Migration]] (1914-1950) a period when over a million<ref name="pbs">[http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aaworld/reference/articles/great_migration.html The Great Migration]</ref> [[African Americans]] moved out of the rural [[Southern United States]] to escape the widespread [[racism]] of the South, to seek out employment opportunities in urban environments, and to pursue what was widely perceived to be a better life in the North.<ref name="pbs" /> African-American neighborhoods started out well, economically. In the Midwest, neighborhoods were built on high wages from manufacturing jobs. The African-American neighborhoods of the mid-twentieth century appear to have been much less harmful than those of today.<ref name="Glaeser">..</ref> However, segregation increased most in those cities with the greatest black in-migration.<ref name="Keating">''[http://books.google.com/books?id=O0bnHQAACAAJ The Suburban Racial Dilemma: Housing and Neighborhoods]'' By William Dennis Keating. Temple University Press. 1994. ISBN 1566391474</ref> |
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Hi Main Pagers! You'll be aware of the [[Wikipedia:2008_main_page_redesign_proposal|Main Page redesign proposal currently under discussion]]; it would be fantastic if you could take a moment to review and comment on both [[Wikipedia:2008_main_page_redesign_proposal/Pretzels|my personal proposal]], and the others too. We really need your opinion and advice to keep the project moving. All the best -- [[User:Pretzels|'''P<span style="font-size:0.9em;">retzels</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Pretzels|Talk!]]</sup> 15:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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In the years after [[World War II]], many [[white American]]s began to move away from inner cities to newer [[suburb]]an communities, a process known as [[white flight]]. White flight occurred, in part, as a response to black people moving into white urban neighborhoods, and remains a significant cause in the spread of [[urban decay]].<ref>''Central City White Flight: Racial and Nonracial Causes'' William H. Frey ''American Sociological Review'', Vol. 44, No. 3 (Jun., 1979), pp. 425-448</ref><ref name="Keating" /> Discriminatory practices, especially those intended to "preserve" emerging white suburbs, restricted the ability of blacks to move from inner-cities to suburbs, even when they were economically able to afford it. In contrast to this, the same period in history marked a massive suburban expansion available primarily to whites of both wealthy and working class backgrounds, facilitated through highway construction and the availability of federally subsidized home mortgages (VA, FHA, HOLC). These made it easier for families to buy new homes in the suburbs, but not to rent apartments in cities.<ref>[http://www.public.asu.edu/~wplotkin/DeedsWeb/fha38.html "Racial" Provisions of FHA Underwriting Manual, </ref> |
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:Please see [[Wikipedia:Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It|WP:ABDFI]] --[[Special:Contributions/58.108.70.161|58.108.70.161]] ([[User talk:58.108.70.161|talk]]) 04:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Whoa! That was meant to be a joke, I didn't realize there was an actual policy named that. --[[Special:Contributions/220.236.59.243|220.236.59.243]] ([[User talk:220.236.59.243|talk]]) 14:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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In response to the influx of black people from the South, banks, insurance companies, and businesses began denying or increasing the cost of services, such as [[banking]], [[insurance]], access to jobs,<ref>[http://www.core.ucl.ac.be/services/psfiles/dp99/dp9913.pdf Racial Discrimination and Redlining in Cities]</ref> access to health care,<ref>See: [[Race and health]]</ref> or even [[supermarkets]]<ref>[http://www.springerlink.com/content/ptc5hvexthe7wrye/ In poor health: Supermarket redlining and urban nutrition], Elizabeth Eisenhauer, [[GeoJournal]] Volume 53, Number 2 / February, 2001</ref> to residents in certain, often racially determined,<ref name="eastny">[http://books.google.com/books?id=TWo8OFJpFtAC How East New York Became a Ghetto] by Walter Thabit. ISBN 0814782671. Page 42.</ref> areas. The most devastating form of redlining, and the most common use of the term, refers to [[Mortgage Discrimination|mortgage discrimination]]. Data on house prices and attitudes toward integration suggest that in the mid-twentieth century, segregation was a product of collective actions taken by non-blacks to exclude blacks from outside neighborhoods<ref name="vigdor">''The Rise and Decline of the American Ghetto'' David M. Cutler, Edward L. Glaeser, Jacob L. Vigdor ''The Journal of Political Economy'', Vol. 107, No. 3 (Jun., 1999), pp. 455-506</ref> |
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statistiche sulla copertura--[[User:Cervo41|Cervo41]] ([[User talk:Cervo41|talk]]) 17:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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The "Racial" Provisions of FHA Underwriting Manual of 1938, included the following guidelines which exacerbated the segregation issue: <blockquote>Recommended restrictions should include provision for: |
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prohibition of the occupancy of properties except by the race for which they are intended …Schools should be appropriate to the needs of the new community and they should not be attended in large numbers by inharmonious racial groups. <ref name="Keating" /><ref>[[Federal Housing Administration]], Underwriting Manual: Underwriting and Valuation Procedure Under Title II of the [[National Housing Act]] With Revisions to February, 1938 (Washington, D.C.), Part II, Section 9, Rating of Location.</ref></blockquote> |
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This meant that [[ethnic minorities]] could secure [[mortgage loan]]s only in certain areas, and it resulted in a large increase in the residential [[racial segregation]] and [[urban decay]] in the United States.<ref>''Crabgrass im cool=D Frontier: The Suburbanization of the United States'' by Professor Kenneth T. Jackson ISBN 0195049837</ref> The creation of new highways in some cases divided and isolated black neighborhoods from goods and services, many times within industrial corridors. For example, [[Birmingham, Alabama|Birmingham]]’s interstate highway system attempted to maintain the racial boundaries that had been established by the city’s 1926 racial zoning law. The construction of interstate highways through black neighborhoods in the city led to significant population loss in those neighborhoods and is associated with an increase in neighborhood racial segregation.<ref>''From Racial Zoning to Community Empowerment: The Interstate Highway System and the African American Community in Birmingham, Alabama'' Charles E. Connerly Journal of Planning Education and Research, Vol. 22, No. 2, 99-114 (2002)</ref> By 1990, the legal barriers enforcing segregation had been replaced by decentralized racism, where whites pay more than blacks to live in predominantly white areas.<ref name="Glaeser" /> Some social scientists suggest that the historical processes of [[suburbanization]] and decentralization are instances of [[white privilege]] that have contributed to contemporary patterns of [[environmental racism]].<ref>''Rethinking Environmental Racism: White Privilege and Urban Development in Southern California'' Laura Pulido ''Annals of the Association of American Geographers'', Vol. 90, No. 1 (Mar., 2000), pp. 12-40</ref> |
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Despite mainstream America’s use of the term "ghetto" to signify a poor, culturally or racially-homogenous urban area, those living in the area often used it to signify something positive. The black ghettos did not always contain dilapidated houses and deteriorating projects, nor were all of its residents poverty-stricken. For many African Americans, the ghetto was "home" a place representing authentic [[blackness]] and a feeling, passion, or emotion derived from the rising above the struggle and suffering of being black in America.<ref>Smitherman, Geneva. Black Talk: Words and Phrases from the Hood to the Amen Corner. New York: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2000.</ref> [[Langston Hughes]] relays in the "Negro Ghetto" (1931) and "The Heart of Harlem" (1945): "The buildings in Harlem are brick and stone/And the streets are long and wide,/But Harlem’s much more than these alone,/Harlem is what’s inside." Playwright [[August Wilson]] used the term "ghetto" in Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom (1984) and Fences (1987), both of which draw upon the author’s experience growing up in the [[Hill district]] of Pittsburgh, a black ghetto.<ref name="Glaeser" /> |
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===Other ghettos=== |
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[[Chinatown]]s, where most [[Overseas Chinese|Chinese]] immigrants settled from the 1850s onward in [[Chicago]], [[New York City]], [[Boston]], [[Oakland, California|Oakland]], [[San Francisco]], (across the [[San Francisco – Oakland Bay Bridge|Bay Bridge]] from Oakland), [[Los Angeles]], [[Trenton, New Jersey|Trenton]] and [[Camden, New Jersey]], [[Vancouver, British Columbia|Vancouver]], [[Canada]] and other major cities originated as racially segregated enclaves. However, most [[Chinese Americans]] no longer reside in those urban sections, but [[Asian American|Asian]] immigration from China, [[Southeast Asia]] and the [[Philippines]] since the 1970s repopulated many Chinatowns, even though [[Little Italy]]s, Chinatowns (or [[Koreatown]]s and [[Little Tokyo]]s) and other ethnic neighbourhoods have become more [[middle-class]] in recent times, dominated by successful restaurant owners, family-owned stores and businessmen able to start up their own companies. Many have become tourist attractions in their own right.{{Fact|date=October 2007}} |
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In the Southwest U.S., [[Mexican Americans]] had historical low-income urban areas known as ''barrios'' located in cities with large Hispanic populations such as [[New York City]], [[Long Beach, California|Long Beach]], [[San Diego]], [[Dallas, Texas]], [[Oceanside, California|Oceanside]], [[National City, California|National City]], [[Houston]], [[Denver]], [[El Paso]], [[San Jose, California|San Jose]], [[Santa Ana, California|Santa Ana]], [[San Bernardino, California|San Bernardino]], [[Phoenix, Arizona|Phoenix]], [[Oklahoma City]], [[San Antonio]] and [[Oakland, California]]. Many of these cities struggled with issues of crime, drugs, youth [[gangs]] and family breakdown. However, middle-class and college-educated Hispanics moved out of ''barrios'' for other neighbourhoods or the suburbs. The ''barrios'' continually thrived by the large influx of immigration from [[Mexico]], this largely due to the explosion of the [[Hispanic|Hispanic/Latino]] population in the late 20th century. The majority of residents in these urban ''barrios'' are immigrants directly from Mexico and [[Latin America]].{{Fact|date=October 2007}} |
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==United Kingdom== |
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The existence of [[ethnic enclave]]s in the [[United Kingdom]] is [[White flight#United_Kingdom|controversial]]. [[Southall|Southall Broadway]] in [[London]], where less than 12 percent of the population is white, has been cited as an example of a 'ghetto', but in reality the area is home to a number of different [[ethnic groups]] and [[religions]].<ref>[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article851104.ece We can't run away from it: white flight is here too | Anthony Browne - Times Online<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref><ref>Kerr, J., Gibson, A. and Seaborne, M. (2003) London from punk to Blair. Reaktion Books.</ref> Analysis of data from [[United Kingdom Census 2001|Census 2001]] revealed that only two [[Ward (country subdivision)|wards]] in [[England and Wales]] - in [[Leicester]] and [[Pendle]] - had one dominant non-white ethnic group comprising more than two-thirds of the local population, but there were 20 wards where [[White people|whites]] were a minority making up less than a third of the local population.<ref>www.london.gov.uk/gla/publications/factsandfigures/dmag-briefing-2005-38.rtf </ref><ref>www.lse.ac.uk/collections/BSPS/ppt/May06_BB.ppt</ref> By 2001, two London boroughs - [[London Borough of Newham|Newham]] and [[London Borough of Brent|Brent]] - had 'minority majority' populations, and most parts of the city tend to have a diverse population. Areas with large non-white populations include:{{Fact|date=May 2008}} |
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*[[Batley]]: ''[[Mount Pleasant, Batley|Mount Pleasant]]'' |
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*[[Birmingham]]: ''[[Aston]], [[Handsworth, West Midlands|Handsworth]], [[Lozells]], [[Perry Barr]], [[Sparkbrook]], [[Saltley]] and [[Small Heath]]. |
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*[[Bradford]]: ''[[Bradford Moor]], [[East Bowling]], [[Little Horton]], [[Manningham, Bradford|Manningham]]'' |
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*[[Bristol]]: ''[[St Pauls, Bristol|St Paul's]]'' |
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*[[Cardiff]]: ''[[Grangetown, Cardiff|Grangetown]], [[Riverside, Cardiff|Riverside]] and [[Splott]]'' |
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*[[Dewsbury]]: ''[[Ravensthorpe, Dewsbury|Ravensthorpe]]''. ''[[Savile Town]]'', although only a small area, has hardly any White residents.<ref>http://www.kirklees-pct.nhs.uk/fileadmin/documents/meetings/march_07/KPCT-07-42%20Report%20estate%20strategy.doc paragraph 4.3</ref> |
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*[[Glasgow]]: ''[[Govanhill]], [[Easterhouse]], [[Castlemilk]], [[Drumchapel]], [[Possol Park]]'' |
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*[[Leeds]]: ''[[Chapeltown, West Yorkshire|Chapeltown]] and [[Harehills]]'' |
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*[[Leicester]]: ''[[Belgrave, Leicestershire|Belgrave]], [[Rushey Mead]], and Melton Road''<ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/content/articles/2005/10/10/al_leicester_backgrounder_feature.shtml BBC - Leicester - Asian Life - A history of Leicester<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> |
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*[[Liverpool]]: [[Toxteth]] |
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*[[London]]: '' [[Brixton]],[[Peckham]], [[Lewisham]], [[Deptford]], [[Stonebridge Park]], [[Harlesden]], [[Kilburn]], [[Willesden]], [[Wembley]], [[Hackney]], [[Dalston]], [[Upper Clapton]] and [[Tottenham]]. |
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*[[Manchester]]: [[Moss Side]], [[Longsight]], [[Rusholme]], [[Hulme]], [[Old Trafford, Greater Manchester|Old Trafford]], [[Ardwick]] and [[Cheetham Hill]]. |
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*[[Nottingham]]: ''[[St Ann's, Nottingham|St Ann's]]'' |
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*[[Oldham]]: ''[[Glodwick]],<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5014448.stm BBC NEWS | UK | Blurring Oldham's racial fault lines<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> [[Werneth, Greater Manchester|Werneth]]<ref>www.ccsr.ac.uk/research/migseg/Oldham.doc</ref> |
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*[[Sheffield]]: ''[[Burngreave]] and [[Park Hill]]'' |
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==Northern Ireland== |
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Major cities and towns in [[Northern Ireland]] can be roughly divided into ghettos, of Catholic Irish nationalists/republicans and Protestant British unionists/loyalists. This division is less apparent in more affluent areas, but in more working class areas, territory is marked, particularly in loyalist areas, by flags and murals. |
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== Scandinavia (Nordic Countries) == |
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In [[Scandinavia]] most "ghettos" are concrete suburbs, especially those around [[Stockholm]], [[Copenhagen]], [[Malmö]], [[Oslo]], [[Århus]], [[Helsinki]] and [[Gothenburg]]. No "ghetto" areas are made up by only one major ethnic-group. The areas are mostly made up by mixed ethnic groups, with few Scandinavians and a high concentration of 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, mostly from the [[Middle-east]], [[Eastern Europe]]/[[Balkans]], [[Turkey]], [[Africa]], and [[Asia]]. The areas are troubled by gang violence and vandalism, also riots have been seen in the last couple of years. But the criminality is not as extended as in ghettos in the [[United Kingdom]] or [[France]]. [[Image:Tenstabetong.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Tensta]] suburb north of [[Stockholm]]]] |
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*[[Sweden]]: ''[[Rinkeby]], [[Tensta]], [[Hjulsta]], [[Husby]], [[Akalla]], [[Kista]], [[Hallonbergen]], [[Bredäng]], [[Skärholmen]], [[Alby]], [[Fittja]], [[Angered]], [[Arlöv]] and [[Rosengård]] |
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*[[Denmark]]: '' [[Ishøj]], [[Brøndby Strand]], [[Avedøre]], [[Tåstrupgård]], [[Tingbjerg]], [[Ydre Nørrebro]], [[Mjølnerparken]], [[Akacieparken]], [[Vollsmose]], [[Århus V]], [[Rosenhøj]] and [[Gellerup]] |
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*[[Norway]]: ''[[Tøyen]], [[Furuset]], [[Tveita]], [[Holmlia]], [[Romsås]] and [[Ammerud]] |
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*[[Finland]]: ''[[Kontula]], [[Vuosaari]], [[Jakomäki]], [[Malmi]], [[Nöykkiö]], [[Kirstinmäki]], [[Matinkylä]], [[Kannelmäki]], [[Pikku-Huopalahti]], [[Malminkartano]], [[Pohjois-Haaga]],[[Herttoniemi]] and [[Pasila]] |
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==Romania== |
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Most Ghettos in [[Romania]] are located in the country's capital, [[Bucharest]] and there are [[Roma people|Roma]] ghettos located throughout the city in parts like ''Ferentari'', ''Pantelimon'' and ''Giulesti''. The most populous ghetto, ''Grivita'', is a [[Roma people|Roma]] ghetto near ''Gara de nord'' (North [[Gate]]).There are also many [[Roma people|Roma]] ghettos in other cities like [[Ploieşti]], [[Craiova]], [[Iasi]] and [[Timişoara]]. |
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== Bulgaria == |
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Ghettos in [[Bulgaria]] are rarely seen but there are some in the larger cities. [[Sofia]]'s only ghetto - ''Fakulteta'' (The Faculty) is a [[Roma people|Roma]] ghetto near ''Zapaden Park'' (Western [[Park]]) and Ovcha Kupel [[Neighbourhood]]s. In [[Plovdiv]] are the largest Bulgarian ghettos - ''Sheker Mahala'' (Sheker - Turkish [[word]] for [[sugar]] & Mahala - small neighbourhood), ''Filipovtsi'' and other. In [[Varna]] the [[Roma people|Roma]] neighborhood is called ''Maksuda''. |
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== Post-World War II France == |
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There are also ghettos in modern [[France]]. The poorer [[banlieue]]s, or [[suburbs]], of France, especially those of [[Paris]], house an impoverished population largely of [[North African]] and [[sub-Saharan]] [[African]] origin in large medium- and high-rise building developments known as "Cités". They were built in the 1960s and 1970s in the industrial [[suburbs]] around [[Paris]], especially in the [[Département]] of [[Seine-Saint-Denis]] (also known from its departmental code as "le 93" or "le 9-3"), and in other French cities like [[Venissieux]] near [[Lyon]]. They are similar in style and have similar problems as the large inner-city urban renewal [[projects]] in the US (like [[Cabrini Green]] in [[Chicago]]). Social issues that inhabitants of French ghettos must deal with regularly, including racism and police brutality, were famously highlighted in the 1996 film ''[[La Haine]]'' (which depicts the adventures of three young people from the ghetto: one Jewish, one black and the other Arabic). Although there has been civil unrest (sometimes resulting in rioting) in these ghettos for decades, many people outside of France were not fully aware of the situation until the more internationally publicised [[2005 civil unrest in France|2005 riots]], which largely originated within these areas. |
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== Czech Republic == |
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[[Image:chanov.jpg|thumb|260px|A [[Romani people|Roma]] ghetto in [[Chánov|Chánov, Czech Republic]].]] |
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A few ghettos have appeared in the [[Czech Republic]]. These ghettos are mainly inhabited by [[Roma people|Roma]] who move there both voluntarily or involuntarily (municipalities often try to relocate them from other areas). The majority of the people are unemployed and uneducated, and the [[crime rate]] is high. As a ghetto begins to appear non-Roma people move away. The most infamous ghetto in the Czech Republic is [[Chánov]] (part of the city of [[Most]]). Other cities with neighborhoods slowly transforming into ghettos include [[Karviná]].{{Fact|date=January 2008}} |
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During the Second World War, the [[Terezín]] ghetto was created to house mass numbers of Czech Jews before deportation to concentration camps (typically Auschwitz), where the Jews would be exterminated. The Nazis sanitized the ghetto to appear like a "joyful place" to dupe the Red Cross during two visits. The Jewish artists of Terezin created memorable artwork during their stay before being shipped out to concentration camps and gas chambers. |
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== Japan == |
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[[Kamagasaki]] located in [[Osaka]], [[Japan]]. Kamagasaki is Japan's biggest slum with high levels of poverty and unemployment. Kamagasaki in notable for having 24 riots taking place in last 47 years. |
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== Hong Kong/China == |
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The [[Kowloon Walled City]] was one of the world's more unusual ghettos, being (technically) a piece of the [[People Republic of China]] within the British colony of [[Hong Kong]] until 1997, and none of the governments wanted jurisdiction over that area. This made it a prime spot for squatters to come and take up residence, and so an estimated 35,000 people came to live in a self-governing society in very crowded conditions. The [[Sino-British Joint Declaration]] in 1984, when Britain agreed to hand over Hong Kong to China, led to the ghetto's demolition in the 1990s. |
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== Cultural life == |
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Some ghettos have been known as vibrant cultural centers, for example the late 19th century [[Paris]], or [[Harlem]] in the 1920s and 1930s. Many African-American artists and musicians such as [[2Pac]], [[John Lee Hooker]], [[Notorious B.I.G.]], [[Snoop Dogg]], [[Dr. Dre]], [[Nina Simone]], [[Akon]] and [[Cab Calloway]], to name only a handful, were born and raised in ghettos, and much of their music comes from their own suffering, experiences and life in the ghetto or their own experiences with [[desegregation]], eg. Nina Simone's "Mississippi Goddam" (on the 1964 ''[[Nina Simone In Concert]]''), John Lee Hooker's "[[Rent Blues]]", Akon's "Ghetto", Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five's "[[The Message (song)|The Message]]", Donny Hathaway's "[[The Ghetto (Donny Hathaway song)|The Ghetto]]", Huey's "Nobody Loves The Hood", and Calloway's "[[Minnie the Moocher]]". The 1970s sitcom ''[[Good Times]]'' was modeled after life in the [[Cabrini-Green]] housing projects in [[Chicago]]. The show portrays a ghetto family that always triumphs over adversity and it has been criticized for painting too rosy a picture of how the ghetto really works {{Fact|date=February 2007}}. |
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In the United States and Britain, the word "ghetto" is often glorified in popular culture and sometimes used as an adjective to describe a certain way of dressing, speaking, and behaving {{Fact|date=August 2008}} (often referred to as [[ghetto fabulous]]). |
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== See also == |
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* [[Hyperghettoization]] |
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* [[Shanghai ghetto]] |
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* [[Ghetto fabulous]] |
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* (1) Jew Ghetto: Xiong A. highschool History |
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*{{it}} [http://www.museoebraico.it/ghetto.html Museo Ebraico Venezia - Storia del Ghetto] |
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how much did Guinness pay for the ad on wiki, and can I pay for the same? 81.76.3.166 (talk) 18:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
- Hello there. Because Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, and a registered charity, we are not funded by advertising. You would not have seen this product advertised, and we would not accept payments for advertising. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 19:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
- This has got to be the 10th time I've seen someone with this same complaint. The fact of the matter is that Wikipedia's editors are primarily young white males, and what do young white males enjoy more than pop culture? 98.207.43.214 (talk) 23:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
- I wonder how much Tyrone Wheatley payed us to put him on the front page or The Beatles or the Anglo-Saxon chronicle. For that matter, we must be getting huge amounts of money from the United States Congress. They've been on the front page all week. 66.231.141.34 (talk) 04:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Though, 98.207.43.214 does have a point about young white males. Just because WP covers all topics, does not mean its editors have wide-ranging interests. Some topics receive more attention than others. 118.90.18.154 (talk) 06:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Systemic bias for more on that. -Elmer Clark (talk) 08:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, like black people aren't hooked on pop culture either. 210.50.99.56 (talk) 16:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- Hey, hey, we aren't trying to spark an uncivil conflict here...no need to press this discussion further, I think the necessary points have already been made. IceUnshattered [ t ] 22:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
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I'd just like to say that I found the featured video today very moving. Thank you. TleilaxuMaster (talk) 12:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- I thought of it as a snuff movie; those are actual people being killed. EamonnPKeane (talk) 13:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't think anything of it since it just gets stuck in buffer mode. Why put a video on the front page of Wikipedia which we already know has terrible server capacity? Stick to photos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.148.15.99 (talk) 16:04, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- I also struggled to see it, and didn't see the whole thing until I downloaded it and installed a plugin for WMP, which still crashed the player after the video had finished. I really don't think there's anything wrong with sticking to more common formats, like MP3 and AVI, but I doubt that's going to change. J Milburn (talk) 16:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed, that is why I found it so interesting Eamonn. The distanced and almost casual attitude, looking through a crosshair at individuals, the ease of which they are dispensed with, etc. Comparisons could be drawn between it and looking at bacterium in a Petri dish. The way individuals and society gives lip-service to the abhorring of murder while society itself commits these crimes through individuals...I could go on. I didnt have any problems streaming here. (England.) TleilaxuMaster (talk) 16:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- AVI, WMV and MP3 are proprietary, copyrighted formats. Using them goes against Wikipedia's licensing statement (GFDL and so on), see here and here. You can install the K-Lite Mega Codec Pack (files playable in any other media player or included Media Player Classic) or VLC (article, contains mainly the same codecs as KLMCP, but they're built in so only VLC can use them) and the files will play fine in your browser and once downloaded to a folder. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 21:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- So there are no freeware media players that play them? Are you saying that someone using a freeware operating system would be unable to use them? J Milburn (talk) 21:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- freeware? Not relivant. Wikipedia's standards are FOSS. There are players built on FOSS systems but they have legal issues.Geni 23:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- In any case, note that freeware or not, in some countries you need a patent license to use patented codecs. Normally the person who develops the codec seeks a licence on behalf of the user but this may not be the case with freeware codecs. While codec patent holder have never (to my knowledge) persued home end users for patent claims, it doesn't mean it's okay to expect people to have to infringe patents to play a file Nil Einne (talk) 13:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- freeware? Not relivant. Wikipedia's standards are FOSS. There are players built on FOSS systems but they have legal issues.Geni 23:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- So there are no freeware media players that play them? Are you saying that someone using a freeware operating system would be unable to use them? J Milburn (talk) 21:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- I also struggled to see it, and didn't see the whole thing until I downloaded it and installed a plugin for WMP, which still crashed the player after the video had finished. I really don't think there's anything wrong with sticking to more common formats, like MP3 and AVI, but I doubt that's going to change. J Milburn (talk) 16:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't think anything of it since it just gets stuck in buffer mode. Why put a video on the front page of Wikipedia which we already know has terrible server capacity? Stick to photos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.148.15.99 (talk) 16:04, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- A snuff movie is when you kill someone purely to film them dying, so this isn't a snuff movie because the reason for their deaths wasn't related to the film. If it was merely a snuff movie it would have been a lot less sick and disturbing. --86.167.18.59 (talk) 00:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
can you guys put where it is located —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.237.227.21 (talk) 22:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- What are you referring to? The location where the video is shot? Please clarify. Also, it you would sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~), that would be appreciated. IceUnshattered [ t ] 22:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
A featured pic hat trick
I see we have one of the pictures from crepuscular rays on the Main Page today. I'm not sure we had them on the Main Page at the time but both this crep-ray pic and this one have been on Picture of the Day as well, making it possibly (and understandably, given how tempting they are as a subject when you see them and have a camera in hand) the only subject to be represented by three Pictures of the Day. Good work! Daniel Case (talk) 01:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
NRL grand final
How is the result of the NRL grand final worthy of a position in the 'In the news' section? Shouldn't this be about events of global, or at least national significance? The NRL grand final is neither. I call for it to be removed. Suicup (talk) 00:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- It's not from the U.S. so it made it. WTF. –Howard the Duck 02:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- That "news" is completely irrelevant to most of the world (ie non NRL watching Australians). It's neatly sandwiched between topics of greater notability, say the Nobel prize (HIV) and the arguably the world's biggest economic crisis. The contrast in notability is very clear. Whilst it has an article, it is not main page material. 129.78.149.91 (talk) 06:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- I've removed it. Fram (talk) 06:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Personally, I think that was a mistake. We routinely list the championship games of major sporting finals, very few of which are of global importance. Just because it was Australia rather than North America or Western Europe hardly means it is less notable. Resolute 01:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- I've removed it. Fram (talk) 06:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- That "news" is completely irrelevant to most of the world (ie non NRL watching Australians). It's neatly sandwiched between topics of greater notability, say the Nobel prize (HIV) and the arguably the world's biggest economic crisis. The contrast in notability is very clear. Whilst it has an article, it is not main page material. 129.78.149.91 (talk) 06:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Main Page redesign proposal
Hi Main Pagers! You'll be aware of the Main Page redesign proposal currently under discussion; it would be fantastic if you could take a moment to review and comment on both my personal proposal, and the others too. We really need your opinion and advice to keep the project moving. All the best -- PretzelsTalk! 15:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Please see WP:ABDFI --58.108.70.161 (talk) 04:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Whoa! That was meant to be a joke, I didn't realize there was an actual policy named that. --220.236.59.243 (talk) 14:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
statistiche sulla copertura--Cervo41 (talk) 17:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC)