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I think Crayfish as pets needs a seperate article, this one just doesn't cover even the basic info on trying to keep them alive and health kept as pets.


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i would like to question, about crayfish being shy, in the section of keeping them as pets. i keep crayfish (red claw). and from my experience, they are only shy when threatened, around the time of moulting, or are trying to rest. they don't make an effort to run off and hide unless actively chased. i would actually describe them as surprisingly bold and playful. or are mine just special?


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==My edit: "Unconstructive"?==
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You reverted my recent edit to [[Deer]], and requested that I "provide an informative edit summary." I believe that I already did this, but have clarified at [[Talk:Deer]].<br>I would however like to say that I'm a little annoyed at the message you posted to my Talk: "The recent edit you made ... '''appears to be unconstructive'''."<br>We can certainly discuss whether my edit should stay or not, but I think that under [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith]], saying that someone's edit is "unconstructive" is a little strong and not in the spirit of [[Wikipedia:Civility]].<br>Have a good day. :-) -- [[Special:Contributions/201.53.7.16|201.53.7.16]] ([[User talk:201.53.7.16|talk]]) 16:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
What exactly are we looking for? LIke crayfish as pets.....anatomy? [[User:Crawldaddy888|Crawldaddy888]] 20:25, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
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== Re:Wikipedia Email ==


<small>The following was the email received. My reply, for continuity, is under your initial email message. Please continue the discussion below the last comment of the thread.</small>
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Hello,


Hope all is well.
Apologies to whoever will fix this, but I&nbsp;couldn't figure out what else to do. I found this deadend article &#8212; it's very long &#8212; which looks like something out of a 19c textbook, the language of it too old I&nbsp;think to be a [[copyvio]], the subject of it, as far as I&nbsp;could tell, not likely to be a spoof so not a candidate for [[Vfd]]. The best thing I&nbsp;could think of was to dump it here in the hopes that a crayfish expert could decide what to do with it. &#8212; [[User:Bill Thayer|Bill]] 21:08, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)


I'm a bit confused in regards to wikipedia's standards for appropriate reviews. While you and other editors have deemed links to reviews by Consequence of Sound, LLC as "vandalism" other editors have allowed them.
== 100-year-old 'monster' cray emerges from NZ deep ==


First and foremost, I find it particularly infuriating that editors, rather than the music community, determines what reviews are "legitimate". For example, despite being highly regard by publications like the New Yorker, MTV.com, Filter Magazine, Time Out, and the BBC, among others, Consequence of Sound is deemed an inappropriate outlet because it does not have a wikipedia page? Can you please explain to me as to why these outlets, combined with over 5,000 users, read these reviews each and every day?
September 27, 2003
When New Zealand recreational fisherman Brian Hoult felt something on the end of his line, the last thing he expected to haul in was a 100-year-old "monster".
Particularly when he was fishing for snapper.
But somehow he ended up with a 1.34m long crayfish weighing 6.3kg on the end of his line.
The monster is now in a holding tank where it will be kept until it sheds its shell. Mr Hoult intends to keep the shell, and put the cray back in the water, where it will grow a new shell.
Mr Hoult had only been fishing for 10 to 15 minutes on Saturday before the crayfish attached itself to a whole calamari bait.
"It felt a bit like a gumboot and didn't fight at all as I reeled it in," Mr Hoult said.
The cray was not hooked up and had just held onto the bait and wouldn't let go as Mr Hoult reeled in 32m of line.
A net was used to make sure the cray did not let go of the line as it reached the surface.
Mr Hoult has given the cray to former NZ Museum of Fishes curator George Campbell to look after until it sheds its shell.
Mr Campbell said the cray was a female packhorse crayfish and was possibly 100 years old.
"This is one of the largest caught in recent years and, for today's standards, it is a monster," Mr Campbell said.
The cray could grow up to 16kg, he said.
"It is possibly too big to go into the funnel of cray pots and in too deep a water for divers," Mr Campbell said.
This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/26/1064083194212.html


I ask that you review your decision and perhaps communicate with some of your peers just what determines a review's legitimacy. I can give you countless examples of hundreds of wikipedia pages of links to reviews from outlets that not only don't have a wikipedia page, but don't even come close to the reputation or readership that Consequence of Sound has.
== Potentital for expanding the article ==


I applaud you for your work and I know how had it must be. However, in this case, I think wikipedia is dead wrong.
I have just removed the <nowiki>{{expand}}</nowiki> tag from this article. Since there was no indication as to what needed expanding (diet? taxonomy? economic importance?), it is not helpful to have it there. Feel free to replace it, anyone, if you have specific ideas as to how the article should be expanded. --[[User:Stemonitis|Stemonitis]] 07:46, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Alex Young
:Quite right. We need an article on the [[Red Swamp Crawfish]] (''Procambarus clarkii'', with a redirect from [[Red Swamp Crayfish]]), a major farmed species of crayfish. According to the [http://www.fao.org/figis/servlet/FiRefServlet?ds=species&fid=3454 FAO], some 34,000 tonnes were produced in 2003. The detailed FAO FIGIS statistics reveal that almost all of that was produced in the U.S., which is and has been for decades the major producer. There would need to be a sister article on [[Crayfish farm]]ing. Diseases of crayfish could be discussed. (We'd need to find out what caused the dip in production in the year 2000. Diseases?) In Europe, it seems that most crayfish are caught, not farmed. The FIGIS aquaculture statistics reports only some 20 to 30 tonnes in 2003... (would have to check the FIGIS capture databases, though). ''P. clarkii'' in particular is also a highly invasive species and is, as an [[exotic species]], often considered a pest. I know that North-American crayfish escaped from small-scale farms or aquariums cause problems in Europe. ''This'' article could do with at least some mention of such things. Then there would need to be stubs for the families and genera, e.g. ''[[Cambaridae]]''. Ideally, one would be able to naviagte through the taxonomic hierarchy down to ''P. clarkii''. Oh, and before you ask ''me'' to do all this: I'm still busy writing up these farming issues we recently discussed. Turns out that there's enough material there for ''two'' brand-new articles, so I'll be occupied for quite a while! [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 28 June 2005 12:26 (UTC)
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:I have plans (not immediate) to write a bit about P. clarkii's role as a non native, invasive in Southern California. I was involved in a research project attempting to ascertain the effect of P. clarkii on three amphibian species, though we collected data on micro inverts as well. I need to research a bit about the history of their introduction to S. California though, and find time in my schedule. [[User:Shawn M. O'Hare|Shawn M. O&#39;Hare]] 16:57, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
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::''n.b.'' I have just created the article ''[[Procambarus clarkii]]'' (with redirects from a great many potential common names). Please feel free to add/amend at will. --[[User:Stemonitis|Stemonitis]] 16:37, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
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Mr. Young, the edits I reverted were reversions of mass-"copy and paste" links on the External Links section of several articles. Since you are essentially promoting your own URLs, I must insist that you review the [[WP:COI]] policy on conflict of interest as well as [[WP:EL]], our standards on external links placement. Wikipedia is a community-based project with editors around the world, including members of the music community. Notability is a tricky business when is comes to various Wikipedia topics, and I urge you to review [[WP:N]] for the general notability guidelines. Additional guidelines are available via various WikiProjects specializing in the field, like [[WPP:MUSIC]]. [[WP:MUSIC]] should complement [[WP:N]]. Before you pass judgment on Wikipedia as a whole or its editors, I urge you to review the various Wikipedia Policies and Guidelines. If you have any questions, you may reply on my talk page. Unfortunately, I do not respond via email for cases such as this. Have a great day. [[User:Jamesontai|'''''<font color="#000066">- Jameson L. Tai</font>''''']] <sup>''<font color="#660000">[[User talk:Jamesontai|talk]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/Jamesontai|contribs]]''</font></sup> 17:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I did not feel fully justified in wantonly editing, so post here. I have some objection to the statement made in the intro about the crayfish living in unpolluted waters. P. clarkii in Southern California routinely live in waters that are heavily polluted, at least to the degree that more sensitive species no longer exist (such as amphibians). In fact some streams I have personally surveyed will contain crayfish, algae, and little else. There is a marked difference though between crayfish in streams close to urban development and streams that are more removed from civilization. In both cases you might find few micro invertebrates, almost no amphibians, but in the more polluted stream the crayfish are extremely sluggish, almost as if drunk. They are much less aggresive. [[User:Shawn M. O'Hare|Shawn M. O&#39;Hare]] 17:05, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

==Suggestions for more info==

*I'd like to see more information added on the classification, evolutionary relationships, and fossil record of crayfish. [[User:MrDarwin|MrDarwin]] 19:26, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
**I just read [http://www.ibzi.net/d100facts.htm 100 science facts] which noted that crayfish have two hundred chromosomes. I think some summary about the rammifications of this trait as compared to say a species with a mere forty six. 06:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

*[[Crayfish anatomy]] is not covered at all. Like, [[tail fan]], [[sensory hair]]... See my recent [[Lateral giant neuron]]; an interesting fact, but redlinked. [[user:mikkalai|mikka]] [[user talk:mikkalai|(t)]] 23:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
**Crayfish anatomy is covered at [[decapod anatomy]]. At the moment, it only covers external anatomy, and not in much detail, but it is there. It would be wasteful to repeat anatomical information at every article, which is why I tried to centralise it at decapod anatomy. I have now added the term [[tail fan]] to it, but have made no reference to sensory hairs or giant lateral neurones. Please feel free to expand it. Anatomy unique to crayfish belongs at [[crayfish]], of course, but since crayfish are pretty plesiomorphic in terms of gross anatomy, [[decapod anatomy]] is a reasonable place for discussions of more general crayfish anatomy. --[[User:Stemonitis|Stemonitis]] 08:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
***There are two problems with the article [[decapod anatomy]]: first, how an ignorant like me would know that I have to read [[Decapod anatomy]] and not, say [[Malacostraca anatomy]]. Second, no one suggests to "repeat". A common wikipedia tradition is to provide summaries of basic subtopics (Haven't you notice ''"Main article: [[Blablabla]]"'' after secton titles in longer aticles?). Currently even a "see also" link from "[[crayfish]]" to its anatomy is absent. [[user:mikkalai|mikka]] [[user talk:mikkalai|(t)]] 08:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

*Also, nothing is said about crayfish [[reproduction]]. ~[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] [[User_talk:Tommy Kronkvist|<span style="font-family:'helvetica narrow',helvetica;color:tan;"><small>talk</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Tommy Kronkvist|<span style="font-family:'helvetica narrow',helvetica;color:tan;"><small>contribs</small></span>]] 20:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

==Bias==
Apart from US bias, is there anything to support:
Crayfish are eaten in Europe and China, but they are perhaps most popular in Louisiana, where the standard culinary term is crawfish.
? --[[User:BarryNorton|BarryNorton]] 18:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

: Not really, though, from my experience growing up in Louisiana and now living in China (Beijing, Shanghai, and now Hong Kong), the crayfish consumption here is nothing like that in Louisiana. (Crabs, though! Shanghai/Zhejiang have some of the best crabs in the world and people across China can't get enough of them when they're in season. At least a shop a block for Zhejiang crabs in Hong Kong.) I've edited that pariticular section in attempt to remove some of the LA/US bias. --[[User:Alainna|Alai]]

== Life on land? ==

Last night, I saw a crayfish walking down the street in front of my house (I live in Austin, TX.) There aren't any rivers, lakes or creeks very close, and it wasn't raining yesterday, though we've had a reasonable amount of rain in the last few days.

In any event, I was hoping to find some comments about where crayfish can live -- I was really surprised to find one just walking down the street like it was no big deal -- but the article doesn't talk about that, beyond a comment about how they can live underground. [[Procambarus clarkii]] says that this species can tolerate dry spells, so perhaps that's what it means -- they can live on land. [[User:Dougmc|dougmc]] 18:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I am wondering that the street-walking crayfish you saw might have lived in the sewerage or come with the flood water. --[[User:Purpledragonfly|Purpledragonfly]] 04:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Crawfish will live just about anywhere there is water including drainage ditches. Is there any wastewater ditches in your vicinity? --[[User:Jacksjb|jacksjb]]

Potentialy Crayfish can live anywhere that has a water source. they're water demands usually aren't too high and i've found some in even the nastiest water water where no other creature lives. Crayfish a slightly different from fish. They don't have to stay underwater all the time and they can typically walk around on land for a while as long as theres some water source even if it's just a little puddle of water. they'll find a way to live. That's why they're are rather impressive little creatures, if you ask me.--[[User:Dillon239|Dillon239]]

== Astacus fluviatilis ==
Why do [[Astacus fluviatilis]] redirect to this article? It has been removed from the [[Astacus]] article (see the early history of that article, when I created it). Why? [[User:Kricke|Kricke]] 20:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

== crayfish as pets ==

My brother caught some crayfish in his yard and put them in his freshwater aquarium. It's about a 5 gallon tank and feeds them why the guy at petsmart said to feed them, but it appears that they are just dying out of the blue for some reason and we are trying to find out why. Can they live completely summerged in water at all times or do they have to have a way to get dry occasionally?
[[User:72.24.18.222|72.24.18.222]] 19:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)jmarie216@yahoo.com

Are they killing each other. The main casualitys I have had with Crayfish is that Adult's are very aggresive and they may kill each other at times. So it's possible if you have several of them for htem to be eating each other. Or even some fish such as cichlids will go after Crayfish. They can live being submerged in water I've kept Crayfish for years in Aquariums. Also what did the guy tell you to feed them? none of that expensive pet food crap I hope... because if they did you got jipped. Crayfish work well with eating things such as peas, or carrots, or corn... or anyother vegetabile. but they also like meat. I used to feed mind little slices of turkey and they loved it, but now I feed them either vegetables, those shrimp pelets, algae tablets, or even standard fish flakes. Crayfish really aren't picky eaters.--[[User:Dillon239|Dillon239]]

I added a different photograph under the Pets section, the one that was there was very small and not very clear. [[User:Enziarro|Enziarro]] 23:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, most crayfish are quite sensitive to water quality, and will be stressed (and sometimes die) to levels of ammonia that barely register on home test kits. It's best to fishless cycle their tanks or use tanks matured with fish. Keeping them in an uncycled tank usually doesn't work out. They're prone to stress from overcrowding (I go by about 1 square foot of tank floor per cray), as well. When stressed, they often fail to molt properly. After molting, even healthy crays are vulnerable targets to tankmates. My red swamp crayfish would stalk other crayfish that were about to molt and pull their legs off while they were still soft.--[[Special:Contributions/97.84.167.225|97.84.167.225]] ([[User talk:97.84.167.225|talk]]) 15:59, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Central America? ==

I came to this article because I was looking to see if I could identify something my Salvadoran husband refers to as "''camarón del río''," which translates as "river shrimp." I thought it might be crayfish, but he indicates that what is pictured here has a different name in [[El Salvador]] (''chacalín'') and that this river-shrimp thing is bigger than the crayfish in the first picture. I'm asking because if ''camarón del río''" IS crayfish, we need to edit the article to include the Central American type (and if not, I'll still be looking for what a ''camarón del río'' is). [[User:Lawikitejana|Lawikitejana]] 05:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

"Camarón del río" usually refers to Macrobrachium rosenbergii, which is a large (up to 12") freshwater prawn.--[[Special:Contributions/97.84.167.225|97.84.167.225]] ([[User talk:97.84.167.225|talk]]) 16:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Brain Butter? ==

How can the brains of crayfish be referred to as a butter when the brains of standard sized crayfish [for eating] are presumably practically miniscule in size? The next sentence says that after eating the shell, it can either be discarded or used as decoration. . . . We could say that about KFC, but we would not because it's frivolous and obvious, not to mention unappealing. This article is good---and I don't mind that the 'Crayfish as Pets' section lies within its main body---but we should tighten and polish it more. --PLK

:Quite right. The brain section has gone, as has the "discard or decorate" sentence. I'm sure the food section could be improved a lot more (there could be a long article just on that), but it's not my speciality. --[[User:Stemonitis|Stemonitis]] 16:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

== Does Crawfish have Iodine? ==

My step dad is allergic to the iodine in Shrimp and said he thought Crawfish had Iodine in them also. Does anyone know if that is true? He has never tried them because of what he thought. He has an allergic reaction to shrimp. He swells up, his eyes, face and looks awful, so I did not want to expose him if they are the same. [[Special:Contributions/74.171.41.185|74.171.41.185]] ([[User talk:74.171.41.185|talk]]) 13:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Sherry
:I am not a doctor, and Wikipedia is not place to solicit medical advice. That said, [http://www.wdxcyber.com/ngen22.htm here's] a nice article regarding your question. Better safe than sorry, have him order the filet. [[User:Keegan|<font color="maroon">Keegan</font>]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Keegan|<font color="gray">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 06:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

== What do they eat? ==


:Jamesontai,
Of course, we like to eat them, but what do they like to eat? Please add that to the article. [[Special:Contributions/24.26.128.185|24.26.128.185]] ([[User talk:24.26.128.185|talk]]) 16:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you for your prompt response and I appreciate your explanation. Like I said, I understand that you're job is tricky at times and I admire you for that. However, I would point out that when it comes to publishing links to reviews appearing on ''Consequence of Sound'', I neither no it to promote the site, nor in a form of vandalism. As an author of several wikipedia pages, I realize the importance of creating an article using many different sources and references. In my opinion, the more reviews for an album the better, especially when the publication at note is well respected within the music community. In other words, I do these edits not for the benefit of the website, but for the benefit of enhancing a particular wikipedia article.
:With that being said, I do agree that notability can be a tricky topic and it probably doesn't help that a majority of links posted for CoS reviews comes from yours truly, but I would like to point out that there have been a number of cases when links have been posted to reviews by others, and I would be happy to link you to those if that would help at all.
:I'm not trying to start a problem and if you believe it would be in the best interest of all parties involved to stop posting links, I will gladly comply. However, I have reviewed wikipedia's notability standards, and I am fully confident that we fit a majority of the criteria necessary.
:I look forward to hearing back and have a great weekend.
:[[User:AxYoung|AxYoung]] ([[User talk:AxYoung|talk]]) 18:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


::I personally believe in this case, as much as I sympathize with what you're saying, the policies on [[WP:EL]] and others are quite clear. For a source to not even have a legitimate article on Wikipedia does cast doubt on whether those EL inclusions be notable, and provide substantial content that hasn't already been covered by other ELs on the article. One other bit, I believe it shouldn't take the owner of the website to be adding links himself. If this source is widely used, a wide range of users would voluntarily cite your website on our articles. Sourcing on your website is also an issue. We cannot have articles citing themselves to be a legitimate source either. I'm sorry, but there are just too many factors and until they are worked out, I'm not sure it is appropriate to be added ''at this time''. You, and others in the community are free to add this website in the future once these issues are addressed, or if our policies and guidelines change. You are welcome to work with WikiProject Music ([[WPP:MUSIC]]) and collaborate with other editors focused in the music industry to review your website as well. WikiProjects sometimes can work out their own notability guidelines to allow certain exceptions to external links. However, as you have no doubt found already, more than one editor, including myself, has reverted your external links, which means that my original thoughts on this issue has been seconded. Please try to form consensus with other editors to work out the differences if possible. If you should require further assistance, please contact me via my talk page. Thanks and have a good weekend. [[User:Jamesontai|'''''<font color="#000066">- Jameson L. Tai</font>''''']] <sup>''<font color="#660000">[[User talk:Jamesontai|talk]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/Jamesontai|contribs]]''</font></sup> 04:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::Anything, literally. Mine mostly eat sinking catfish pellets and frozen bloodworm, but virtually any aquatic pet food will work. Fresh vegetables, culled fry (especially if they're not free-swimming yet), some snails, and live shrimp all work as well. You want to avoid anything with copper, which is toxic to them, as well as sick fish or fish that died from illness. --[[Special:Contributions/97.84.167.225|97.84.167.225]] ([[User talk:97.84.167.225|talk]]) 16:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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A friendly reminder from the Adopt-a-User project =)
Hey there Jamesontai! This is a friendly reminder to update your status at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters whenever it is appropriate in order to provide new users with the most up-to-date information on available adopters. Also please note that we will be removing adopters who have not edited in 60 days. If you become active again (and we hope you do!) please feel free to re-add yourself. Cheers!
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Will do. - Jameson L. Tai talkcontribs 15:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My edit: "Unconstructive"?

You reverted my recent edit to Deer, and requested that I "provide an informative edit summary." I believe that I already did this, but have clarified at Talk:Deer.
I would however like to say that I'm a little annoyed at the message you posted to my Talk: "The recent edit you made ... appears to be unconstructive."
We can certainly discuss whether my edit should stay or not, but I think that under Wikipedia:Assume good faith, saying that someone's edit is "unconstructive" is a little strong and not in the spirit of Wikipedia:Civility.
Have a good day. :-) -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 16:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The message was part of a standard user-warning message. If you feel that the word "unconstructive" should be changed to something else, please discuss possible word substitutions at the warn-message template's talk page. Have a great day! - Jameson L. Tai talkcontribs 16:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Wikipedia Email

The following was the email received. My reply, for continuity, is under your initial email message. Please continue the discussion below the last comment of the thread.


Hello,

Hope all is well.

I'm a bit confused in regards to wikipedia's standards for appropriate reviews. While you and other editors have deemed links to reviews by Consequence of Sound, LLC as "vandalism" other editors have allowed them.

First and foremost, I find it particularly infuriating that editors, rather than the music community, determines what reviews are "legitimate". For example, despite being highly regard by publications like the New Yorker, MTV.com, Filter Magazine, Time Out, and the BBC, among others, Consequence of Sound is deemed an inappropriate outlet because it does not have a wikipedia page? Can you please explain to me as to why these outlets, combined with over 5,000 users, read these reviews each and every day?

I ask that you review your decision and perhaps communicate with some of your peers just what determines a review's legitimacy. I can give you countless examples of hundreds of wikipedia pages of links to reviews from outlets that not only don't have a wikipedia page, but don't even come close to the reputation or readership that Consequence of Sound has.

I applaud you for your work and I know how had it must be. However, in this case, I think wikipedia is dead wrong.

Alex Young Publisher/Founder

http://consequenceofsound.net/ http://consequenceofsound.net/about/

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Mr. Young, the edits I reverted were reversions of mass-"copy and paste" links on the External Links section of several articles. Since you are essentially promoting your own URLs, I must insist that you review the WP:COI policy on conflict of interest as well as WP:EL, our standards on external links placement. Wikipedia is a community-based project with editors around the world, including members of the music community. Notability is a tricky business when is comes to various Wikipedia topics, and I urge you to review WP:N for the general notability guidelines. Additional guidelines are available via various WikiProjects specializing in the field, like WPP:MUSIC. WP:MUSIC should complement WP:N. Before you pass judgment on Wikipedia as a whole or its editors, I urge you to review the various Wikipedia Policies and Guidelines. If you have any questions, you may reply on my talk page. Unfortunately, I do not respond via email for cases such as this. Have a great day. - Jameson L. Tai talkcontribs 17:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jamesontai,
Thank you for your prompt response and I appreciate your explanation. Like I said, I understand that you're job is tricky at times and I admire you for that. However, I would point out that when it comes to publishing links to reviews appearing on Consequence of Sound, I neither no it to promote the site, nor in a form of vandalism. As an author of several wikipedia pages, I realize the importance of creating an article using many different sources and references. In my opinion, the more reviews for an album the better, especially when the publication at note is well respected within the music community. In other words, I do these edits not for the benefit of the website, but for the benefit of enhancing a particular wikipedia article.
With that being said, I do agree that notability can be a tricky topic and it probably doesn't help that a majority of links posted for CoS reviews comes from yours truly, but I would like to point out that there have been a number of cases when links have been posted to reviews by others, and I would be happy to link you to those if that would help at all.
I'm not trying to start a problem and if you believe it would be in the best interest of all parties involved to stop posting links, I will gladly comply. However, I have reviewed wikipedia's notability standards, and I am fully confident that we fit a majority of the criteria necessary.
I look forward to hearing back and have a great weekend.
AxYoung (talk) 18:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I personally believe in this case, as much as I sympathize with what you're saying, the policies on WP:EL and others are quite clear. For a source to not even have a legitimate article on Wikipedia does cast doubt on whether those EL inclusions be notable, and provide substantial content that hasn't already been covered by other ELs on the article. One other bit, I believe it shouldn't take the owner of the website to be adding links himself. If this source is widely used, a wide range of users would voluntarily cite your website on our articles. Sourcing on your website is also an issue. We cannot have articles citing themselves to be a legitimate source either. I'm sorry, but there are just too many factors and until they are worked out, I'm not sure it is appropriate to be added at this time. You, and others in the community are free to add this website in the future once these issues are addressed, or if our policies and guidelines change. You are welcome to work with WikiProject Music (WPP:MUSIC) and collaborate with other editors focused in the music industry to review your website as well. WikiProjects sometimes can work out their own notability guidelines to allow certain exceptions to external links. However, as you have no doubt found already, more than one editor, including myself, has reverted your external links, which means that my original thoughts on this issue has been seconded. Please try to form consensus with other editors to work out the differences if possible. If you should require further assistance, please contact me via my talk page. Thanks and have a good weekend. - Jameson L. Tai talkcontribs 04:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]