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Art Deco

Created first article on art deco buildings in perth - Cygnet Cinema. Give recent news of its closure will start work on the Astor Cinema next. Dan arndt (talk) 03:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done - working on Raffles Hotel now. Dan arndt (talk) 03:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kent Street, Perth

Article was created by a student who edits/edited the Kent Street High School page. Not too sure of its notability. Five Years 15:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good find. I'm not convinced either - in general, with certain exceptions, most notable roads are route-numbered. For instance, Manning Road is route 26 (should have an article, but doesn't.) Another one that doesn't, but should, is Mill Point Road. None of South Terrace, Berwick Street, Hayman Road or Hill View Terrace - all of which are a similar class to Kent Street - have articles, and I'd argue they're not notable and basically distributor roads. Will wait to see what others think. Orderinchaos 00:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, non-notable - but the school is definitely notable. I'd {{prod}} it in case someone knows better. Moondyne 04:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh the school definitely is - we're talking about the actual street though. Orderinchaos 06:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I knew that. Sorry to throw in the red herring. Moondyne 07:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely nothing wrong with clarifying... readers of the earlier part of this discussion could have been forgiven for thinking KSSHS's days were numbered. :P Orderinchaos 07:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hate to see any article deleted - is there some sort of guidelines which states only route-numbered roads are notable. Road runs through the 'Western Australian Technology Park' and alongside the Collier Park Golf Course. It is also the main address of Curtin University and forms the boundary road between the City of South Perth and the Town of Victoria Park. I'm sure with a bit of research we could come up with a bit more history behind the road. Dan arndt (talk) 07:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Curtin is on Hayman Rd isn't it? Anyway, I don't see these as being valid notability arguments, but there is no guideline for roads and streets I know of, so, if you think you can make a good argument, use {{hangon}} or try to improve it. Moondyne 07:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Curtin is on Hayman Road, and re orders comments - if there is no specific notability guideline - I can think of a number of city/metro roads roads that have
  1. sufficient number of hits within henrietta's catalogue - viz either historical photos and or articles or mention in books # sufficient adjacent issues (buildings, issues of heritage sites, notable properties, historical associations with people or events)
  2. actual references/citeable items from (a) and (b) outside or inside of the heritage council pdfs
  3. where a road is an intrinsic thing of being a border, a physical feature or riverside delineating space -

In the event of a non feeder road that goes up as a new art - on the criteria that I have just stated, any notability rubbish from another country, context or culture IMHO should be ignored and we should give credit due where it is and not a guideline from elsewhere (now where is that article about elsewhere) SatuSuro 08:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, like I said, the route numbering is only a guide - without it, it would have to have some intrinsic notability through history or controversy or some other such thing. The reason route numbers are important is they essentially are "state routes" which Main Roads has committed to maintain from a particular section of their budget. This suggests that they have some importance within the state. Nearly all other roads (even fairly major ones like Beach Road) are maintained by local councils. A road being built is not in and of itself history. Additionally, what's on it doesn't necessarily help - otherwise Radium Street in Bentley and Royal Street in East Perth would require articles. Orderinchaos 10:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Anthony Gugeri

Anyone any idea who he was and why the West might have ridiculed his political ideas (in fact, even the fact he nominated at all in the 1911 election)? The West as usual is pretty vague on its reasons, and I'm not seeing references in other publications. He only got 2.83% in the constituency anyway, but yeah. Orderinchaos 19:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dunno much except that he was a Perth City Councillor and had a vineyard in Mundaring. Where is the West ridiculing him? Moondyne 01:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, was ridiculing him 97 years ago. :) See my talk page for the exact quote. Orderinchaos 01:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've come in late as usual. If he was a Perth City Councillor with some controversial notions, then there is some chance that he will be covered in Stannage's social history of Perth; I'll have a look tonight. Hesperian 01:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing in Stannage. Hesperian 10:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. That quote seems to me not to be ridiculing his political ideas, but rather chiding him for either nominating at the last minute, or not campaigning until the last minute. Hesperian 01:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I may have miscomprehended it - I was taking the "hoarded wisdom" comment to be a sarcastic jab. Orderinchaos 01:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think its an allusion to Tennyson. Hesperian 02:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah okay. On an unrelated note, any idea about what the story was with the brief Bullfinch gold rush and construction of the railway to it? The 1910 papers are all raving about it then the 1911 papers which favour Labor (the collection of sources for this article has been truly an undertaking in filtering extreme bias in pretty much all the newspapers in one direction or another!) basically suggest it was a scam of some sort promoted by speculators, and even some suggestions the Moore-Wilson Government had been involved in it. From reading the 1910 Hansards surrounding the act establishing the railway and the act appropriating finance to it, they were certainly advocates in the strongest terms for it, which I'm guessing came back to bite them later. Orderinchaos 02:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I got nothin'. Hesperian 11:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll keep looking then. I'll probably have to look more closely at the Kalgoorlie newspapers, which generally were antipathetic to the government and try and construct a timeline I can go back to The West with. There's also two published histories of Bullfinch, but both are a lot more recent and one is by the shire council, the other by a mining company, so not sure whether they will shed any more light on it. Orderinchaos 11:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(In case anyone's wondering, the "article" I mention I'm working on is Western Australian state election, 1911.) Orderinchaos 11:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hesperian Press, which is neither a council nor a mining company, published Bullfinch and the Yilgarn goldfield last year. There is also an entry in Battye's Cyclopedia of Western Australia, (Volume 2 page 350) which was published in 1812-1813; perfect timing! Hesperian 11:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You do mean 1912-1913? Gnangarra 11:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed I do; thanks. Hesperian 11:30, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, fantastic. I'll see what I can turn up tomorrow then. Orderinchaos 11:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Still a mystery re Bullfinch - both Battye and other sources seem to think it worked out as a project. Orderinchaos 23:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
would he also be the source for the name of Gugeri st in Claremomt? Gnangarra 07:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Could well be. I looked up today and all I could find out is he was a JP and clerk of courts in Guildford and later in Midland Junction. Orderinchaos 11:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've got dead ends here. A phone call to Mundaring and Hills Historical Society might be worthwhile. Moondyne 12:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Too many colons here - It wouldnt necessarily (phone call) - give me a day or two and I will have all the stuff - hadnt realised this thread has gone so long without realising I have the appropriate material on tap about him SatuSuro 13:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perth rental prices

Just getting some extra eyes onto the Perth talk page - a good faith user has raised the question of how we add this or the fact that some sources consider it a crisis. I wasn't aware that it wasn't already there, but the fact it isn't means we can get it right first time :) As we all know rentals are difficult to source due to a lack of authoritative reliable sources. Probably best to centralise any discussion there. Orderinchaos 18:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pilbara notes

I think (in the midst of a curiosity-inspiring minerals boom) we have some work to do on Pilbara#Ports which has an embarrassing number of red links. Also, I've discovered a rather unfunny bit o' garbage in Dampier, Western Australia#History which I'll let you see before I or its [author] get rid of it. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 09:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it shows some imagination myself. Dan arndt (talk) 09:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It does indeed - almost right for Uncyclopedia, actually. Orderinchaos 10:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering if Pier August Bohr was related to Harald August Bohr ;} Gnangarra 10:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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