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Finalnight (talk · contribs) - I’ve recently asked Finalnight “where have I seen you before?”, only to realize upon digging through his contributions that I’ve seen him everywhere. FN, in a quiet, nondramatic, and intelligent way, has contributed positively to Wikipedia in many ways, and I’m convinced he can only help us as an administrator. I first encountered FN editing an article that is high up on both our contribution lists, 2007 Minnesota Vikings season, back in December 2007. His first diff on my talkpage, you’ll notice, was not only to make a post, but quietly and expertly fix a header? That’s what I’m talking about—he didn’t have to fix the “new editor’s post” directly above his, but he did. Quietly, unassumedly, and most importantly, correctly. Administrators are meant to be proficient, vocal when necessary, and at the same time are also meant to be the “behind the scenes” editors that keep the encyclopedia running smoothly and with minimal disruption. At the point of posting on my talk 7 months ago, FN had been editing regularly as an IP (see his userpage). Clearly, FN is an editor that is here for the betterment of the encyclopaedia. He is a prolific editor in his 7 months of (named) tenure, with over 3000 quality edits, (closer to 4000 with IP edits), always working towards improving our site. He is an established and trusted account creator, he is a rollbacker, and he is an article builder, with emphasis on sports related articles. Notwithstanding his team affiliations, which I happen to adamantly agree with as being in good taste, he has a level of clue that I have found refreshing and complete upon vetting his contribs. He knows what he’s doing in article space, article talk, user talk, at XfDs, within WikiProjects, at ACC, at RFA, and everywhere else I’ve seen his name. I present to you, esteemed community, Finalnight for consideration. I have no doubt in my mind that Finalnight will not only never abuse the tools, he won't even bother with "misusing" them either. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 00:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept this nomination and appreciate your vote of confidence in me.--Finalnight (talk) 00:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?

A: Pardon if this is long, but I feel it is important for everyone to know what I will be doing if my account gets syop permission. For the immediate future, I plan on continuing in the areas I have already been working on and I view the janitorial tools as a way for me to continue doing what I have been doing but without having to ask admins to complete tasks for me or waiting for them to be completed.

AIV and anti-vandalism activities will be a big focus for me. Namely, handling the AIV backlogs, dealing with persistent ip vandals, etc instead of only being able to report or rollback. I plan to continue vandalism patrolling though that has evolved for me and lately I have been working on cleaning up after users who don't properly warn or report to aiv etc when using automated tools. Also, I am big on following up on things, ie, users who improperly delete csd/afd tags, ip's who vandalize their talk pages so the auto-huggle stuff doesn't catch or report them properly. I am the guy who goes an hour back in recent changes to see what was missed or not noticed.

I will also be continuing my ACC interface work, ie the creating of new accounts as well as the banning of vandals/spammers on the interface. Right now, when a new user request triggers anti-spoof, I have to elevate the request to an admin to handle it, which adds to the ACC backlog, this will help me keep it down. Also I work on the ACC queue when there are often not a lot of people on, so I will be able to better keep the backlogs in check. Also, now I will be able to handle requests that require usurption of inactive usernames too instead of elevating the request. Finally, I will be able to keep an eye on vandal ip's that the interface receives and take appropriate action on wikipedia too.

I will continue to work in the afd/csd area. The csd backlogs have been getting pretty large lately, so I will help out with that. Also, right now, I can only close afd's that result in merge, redirect, or keep. Having syop permissions will allow me to close delete results as well, keep the crazy backlogs down that have been plaguing afd as of late.

Finally, I think I have been an open editor who will engage in dialogue and provide assistence where I can, I would like to continue as an "accessible" syop who handles things like request for rollback, request for account creator, and the other million relatively routine things that editors might need help with.

2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?

A: I don't really have a "best" contribution to Wikipedia. I think I have a lot of really good contributions. I would point out my help with getting the Star Trek: First Contact and The Tales of Beedle the Bard articles to GA. I think I have done some good things helping out at WP:COMPANIES with rating articles and working on some back office stuff there. I believe I have done a lot of good in the area of anti-vandalism activities. I believe my edits show that I am not just a automated tool user, if you watch my edits you see where I stray off recent changes, follow subtle/persistent vandals and follow-up, follow-up, follow-up to make sure the situation is properly handled. I also like my work with the NFL project and the work I have done with WP:Universities.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: Sure, I have been in conflict with several users over my time at wikipedia. However, nothing has ever reached the point of neccesitating third party intervention. Nearly every time, once the user and I establish dialog, we reach a reasonable settlement to our differences. Communication is everything and from my time on wikipedia, lack of good communication between parties seems to be one of the biggest sources of conflict.

Optional question from xenocidic

4. As an administrator, you will most likely have to deal with some fairly troublesome users. You'll come across some extremely vulgar language and often come under attack for your actions. And you will sometimes be tasked with considering unblock requests from the users you block. Please review the very NSFW scenario outlined at User:Xenocidic/RFAQ and describe how you would respond.

A: Just read this scenario the other day and have encountered similar. In this specific scenario, the editor is asking me to assume good faith for his future conduct when the overwhelming majority of their contributions so far have shown that they are not acting in good faith. Also, their specific actions clearly constituted blatant vandalism and personal attacks. I would decline the request and advise the editor to reapply in 4 days. If the editor reapplied in 4 days (which by the way is the auto-confirm wait period as well), then it would show that perhaps the editor is committed to constructively contributing (my experience is that most vandals get bored within a short period of time and leave). Pending the nature of their reinstatement request, I would reinstate and monitor the IP closely until I became confident that the risk of future vandalism was minimal.--Finalnight (talk) 01:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti fence-sitting question from Kmweber

5. Are cool-down blocks ever permissible?

A. No, unless Tony Dungy is giving them out as he is all-knowing and all-powerful. Seriously though, I don't see them as serving a purpose. I view cool-downs as something to use when dealing with a dangerous situation or union negotiation IRL. An editor is responsible for their actions regardless of whether they are angry or not. If they do something that is a blockable offense, they get blocked, if not, then they don't. Giving someone a block to stop them from doing something that would get them blocked seems farcical.--Finalnight (talk) 02:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow talk about brown nosing the !voters!!! ;-) ---Balloonman ^PoppaBalloon 06:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, in my defense, Tony Dungy used to play for my alma matter and coached for the Vikings when they hit the playoffs three years in a row and were ranked #1 in defense.--Finalnight (talk) 07:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Additional question from BigHairRef

6. Regarding WP:CONSENSUS, when required to judge consensus, what weight do you give to a "Support/Oppose per X" or a similar !vote without further explanation; assuming that the reason that X gave was not the only reasonable applicable and likely reasoning?

A: It depends on the area of wikipedia being !voted on. Generally, when I am ascertaining consensus for afd closures or proposals, I don't give as much weight to a "per x" !vote than someone who takes the time to write out their reasoning for or against a position. The more specific and clear a !voter is, the more weight their argument would receive. For example saying "Delete per WP:MUSIC#Songs" is weighted more than "Delete per WP:N". Also, I give less weight to arguments if the "X" is pointing to another editor's argument. IE "Delete per UserXYZ" or "Delete per nom". With all that being said, unless the !vote is completely off-topic, it always deserves some consideration and if unsure about the meaning of the argument, I might ask a follow-up question or apply the "X" cited to the issue in question to see if I can determine the validity of the argument.--Finalnight (talk) 16:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Jon513 (talk)

7. According to the rules hoaxes are generally not speediable, except when they are "blatant and obvious". Where do you draw the line between "blatant and obvious hoaxes" that are speediable and one's that are "even remotely plausible"?

A. I assume you are asking about hoax articles not articles about hoaxes, many get confused between the two when doing afd's/csd's. Your question is a very general question regarding things that must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis so pardon any vagueness in my response. There is no clear bright line for me. I think speediable articles are clearly contradicting common knowledge or a very well-known and documented fact. Also, when the article is directly contradicting known reliable articles/reliable sources without reliable sources (or even semi-reliable sources) of its own to back it up. Another biggie that would push me to go for speedy vs prod or afd would be a hoax that involves a BLP as it is important that we do not allow false information about living persons to be dissimenated from wikipedia. For example, if there is an article created covering the election of Jimbo Wales as the new president of "Swift Boat Veteran's for Objectivism truth" which clearly contradicts all reliable information on the subject and the article shows no sources to back it's claims, then I would speedy it. Another example of something I would speedy would be a simply absurd article, like an article about real-life Pokemon or something. Remotely plausible is obviously a subjective call, but I would be define it as something that does not defy common sense, common knowledge, or common reason.--Finalnight (talk) 17:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Additional questions from NuclearWarfare

8. Please define notability in your own words.

A. Notability determines an article's merit to be included within our wikimedia project. Basically, it means that the subject has received significant coverage in reliable and independent sources. However, this is all subject to the community established criteria on suitability for inclusion.--Finalnight (talk) 17:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

9. What is the difference between a block and a ban?

A. Blocks are technical measures by admins, bureaucrats, and stewards to prevent IP's or accounts from contributing to the project for various reasons as outlined in the blocking policy. Bans are policies or decisions to prevent a user from contributing to all or part of a project. Bans can be issues by the community, arbcom, jimbo, and office actions. Blocks are a technical move used to implement these decisions.--Finalnight (talk) 17:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

10. Please answer two of the exercises at the AGF Challenge 2 and post the answers here or a link to your answers.

A. With all due respect, I have written quite a bit already for my RfA and will not be writing essays to lengthy hypothetical scenarios with multiple questions attached. I believe I have demonstrated a good faith effort to answer your other questions. I understand if you !vote in opposition as a result, but this is my decision.--Finalnight (talk) 17:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Optional question from Keepscases

11. Do you find this amusing? http://lolinator.com/lol/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship/Finalnight

A: More of a seizure risk actually. This amuses me.--Finalnight (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

See Finalnight's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.

Links for Finalnight: Finalnight (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Finalnight before commenting.

Discussion

Support

Nominator support. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 01:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - reviewing the contribs shows a user who demonstrates understanding of processes here, is polite and reasonable, has the best interests of Wikipedia at heart etc.. No reason to not support - Peripitus (Talk) 01:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Of course. —Giggy 01:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Such a noble creature. A quality we sometimes lack. We will add your distinctiveness to our own. –xenocidic (talk) 01:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ever since I met this user a few months ago, I've always seen Finalnight doing some constructive editing. Looking through most of this user's contributions, I'm even more impressed at what this user has done. Good answers also. Would be a great administrator. ^_^ -- RyRy (talk) 01:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support I have never had interaction with this user, but he looks like he has a clean slate, and I know I can trust him with the tools. Good luck!! America69 (talk) 01:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Go for it! Ecoleetage (talk) 01:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support One of the best RfA's I've seen in a while. Leonard^(Bloom) 02:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Generally, I don't contribute to "certain to pass" RfA's, but I'm willing to make an exception. Over a thousand high-quality mainspace edits, good experience in policy (almost 300 wikipedia edits), and over 700 user talk edits show an ability to communicate vital to an admin. I could learn a thing or two from this user, it seems! :) Good luck from Erik the Red 2 (AVE·CAESAR) 02:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support A civil editor who I am sure will not abuse the tools, and demonstrates a need for them. Answers to questions are thoughtful and in-depth. We need more admins like this one. Artichoker^[talk] 02:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Because I'd like to balance out an 'oppose' that seems to be based on the editor's wikistance. He also has a much more "productive" mainspace to supporting space edit ratio than I do. :) He has more comments on GA nominations than deletion debates--it hardly helps to hang him out to dry over alleged deletionism. He uses edit summaries fastidiously, wikignomes, and his very first edit was to join a project. He is almost the complete opposite of me, in short, a perfect admin candidate. :) Protonk (talk) 02:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It matters in that one of three roles an admin has relates to how they will or will not likely close AfDs; that along with how they will block/unblock and protect/unprotect distinguishes an admin from regular editors. Their wikistance, i.e. how they interpret policies/guidelines in practice, is one way of determining how they will likely read deletion discussions. My two experiences listed below give me cause for concern. --Happy Festival of Castor and Pollux! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 04:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree strongly. If we think an editor will abuse the tools to further a stance then the vote should be oppose up and down. If we think an editor will interpret policy in a reasonable fashion but not to our liking, then the issue should be moot. And specifically in this case it is absurd. The editor has 1649 mainspace edits and 20 edits on AfD. That's a pretty poor sample size to begin with but even if we accept the sample size we have to entertain the proposition that wikistance probably isn't that important for this editor. If it were me applying for adminship (with more AfD edits than mainspace edits), we could assume that my wikistance made up a fundamental part of my self image. Even in my case, I would hope that the moment of truth came when editors asked themselves if I would use the admin tools to further an agenda. But in this case it appears to be almost totally superfluous. Protonk (talk) 04:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to be an admin to work in mainspace areas; thus what matters most for RfAs is what we can see as far as how an admin will work in admin areas, such as deletion discussions. Someone can be a fantastic editor and a wonderful member of our community as an encyclopedia builder and yet we can still have concerns for how they might use admin tools, which are of course different aspects of the project. Dismissing how they will likely participate in such discussions is absurd. It matters a great deal how someone may close AfDs as if they wish to close as delete in cases like the below where there was a decisive consensus to keep or a lack of consensus then they can be undoing coutless hours of volunteer work in an instant. The nominations matter, because admins are those who see speedy delete tags and either turn them down or act on them. As I cannot see deleted contribs, I am thus stuck going with nominations and whether those were strong. I am thus not persuaded by my two experiences of the candidate's AfD participation. That does not mean the candidate has not done good work for our project or would automatically misuse the tools, but it does give me some pause when considering how they might close AfDs, hence the "weak oppose." --Happy Festival of Castor and Pollux! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 04:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is pretty weak tea. If you think the admin will intepret consensus improperly then it behooves you to say this. ~~Would you oppose a candidate for an RfA who had a keep record in AfD? Would a misinterpretation of consensus there be a problem?~~ Nevermind. Don't answer. I'll leave the first two sentences as they are. Protonk (talk) 05:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have replied at User talk:Protonk#Quick comment. --Happy Festival of Castor and Pollux! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 05:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC

Protonk, I think you need to review your facts again... I just did a straw poll of his recent !votes and (as far as I could determine) he had 54 DELETES, 3 Keeps, and 9 Merge/Redirects. Also, most of his 1600 edits to the mainspace are cosmetic, not meaningful.---Balloonman ^PoppaBalloon 07:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. Let me re-check that. Either way, listing "deletes" out of context is unhelpful. Did he vote to delete on snow keeps? On articles that were well within community consensus to delete? Did he not find compelling reason to vote keep for items? It is helpful to look at individual edits in context and make specific claims as to their validity. I just don't think it is descriptive or helpful to consider the delete votes as evidence of a philosophy (apart from the fact that if we don't think this philosophy will impact his use of the tools, we shouldn't be worried). Protonk (talk) 16:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to take the opportunity to agree with Protonk here. What I feel that Balloonman is missing is that a majority of 'delete' AfD votes does not mean that Finalnight is necessarily a deletionist. Quite the contrary; he's taken time to build up some articles to GA-class, and clearly understands the effort involved. Rather than merely counting AfD votes, what we should be looking for are votes that are against consensus, or ones with poor rationales. GlassCobra 21:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think using raw keep/delete ratio as an RfA criterion would be moving in the wrong direction from editicountitis by orders of magnitude, for the reasons give by Protonk & GlassCobra. Let's all just not go there. Pete.Hurd (talk) 21:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Tiptoety ^talk 03:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Meets my criteria. Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 04:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Yep. —Mizu onna sango15/^Discuss 05:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, no reason to believe that this user would abuse the tools. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 08:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Support - use of Huggle doesn't bother me one iota, and you have done very well at account creation so I do not see any problem in giving you this right. Good luck, weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 10:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support - I actually found this a tough one. I took Keeper's introduction, Finalnight's statements and the oppose/support reasons into careful consideraton. It has taken me a while. Negative points I picked up on included what remains a relatively low Wikipedia-space participation, but that is because he has only been with us about half a year. There is also a disappointingly low interaction rate with other users, both on his own talkpage and others'. But while automated tool usage was pointed out to be factor, it was not nearly as bad as I expected it to be. This user is an excellent vandal fighter, and will make good use of administrative tools. Good article builder too, and essentially knows what he is doing. And the in-depth, thoughtful answers to the questions are impressive. In light of this, I am just about willing to offer Finalnight my support. :) I recommend a thorough reading of this essential stuff and lots of practice at the admin school before putting the tools to use in the "real Wikipedia world". Lra drama 10:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC) Lra drama 10:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - isn't a vandal and therefore meets my criteria for having the buttons. --Allemandtando (talk) 11:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Despite concerns about lack of work in certain areas as ohers have outlined, I have reviewed your contribuions and feel that your work is a net positive to the project and that I can trust you to work for the benefit of the community. Gazimoff ^Write_Read 13:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support No reason to oppose. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - trustworthy editor and vandal fighter. PhilKnight (talk) 14:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Net positive for the project. Five Years 17:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Naerii 18:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Definitely a net positive. Good user, the majority of edits are good or better. It's a yes from me. — CycloneNimrod ^Talk? 19:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - My only concern is the lack of portal talk edits. — scetoaux (T|C) 19:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Come on, that was funny. Keepscases (talk) 19:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - seems sane & not likely to baleet the mainpage - Alison ^❤ 20:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Net positive to the project. GlassCobra 21:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support trust with tools. Pete.Hurd (talk) 21:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Definitely trustable. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Everything I can find shows him to be a trustworthy editor who would make a trustworthy administrator. I don't think he'd abuse the tools, and I do think he'd use them for good. Vickser (talk) 23:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support — After reviewing his contributions, I think that (s)he will be a good admin. macy^talk 23:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Looks like he knows what he is doing; deletion discussion is picky. I certainly don't expect him to be stomping thru the AfDs... King Pickle (talk) 23:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support I don't think ou will abuse the tools. Reywas92^Talk 23:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Weak oppose per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of comic and cartoon characters named after people (cites the proposed WP:FICT as a "guideline" in an AfD that was overwhelmingly "keep") and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nuked the fridge (now this one was far from unanimous in its closure, but if you look at the article, it seems to go beyond a dictionary definition in the origin section). Because these examples are the only two experiences I had with the candidate and as they are only two experiences, I am saying "weak" in my stance. With that said, looking at [1] seems to show an overwhelming amount of deletes, with limited merges and keeps (yes, I know I personally argue to keep more than anything else as seen at User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles/Deletion discussions, but I am not an admin and I think balance is important for admins), but I am not quite as knowledgeable about those topics (hence why I did not participate in the AfDs) and so defer on someone else if the stances were reasonable there. --Happy Festival of Castor and Pollux! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 02:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Quick note about WP:FICT (no comment on the rest of the above opinion): This was a guideline for a long while and has only fairly recently been re-labeled as a proposal. In fact, this is the first time I'm aware of this change and it's fair to say that it's about as close to a guideline as a proposal ever gets. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Most of this editors edits are via the use of tools. He has a total of 14 edits on Wikitalk pages, about 750 edits on user talk pages---almost all of which are via the us of Vandal Proof (or Huggle.) His edits to article talk page is a little better, but over 4/5th of his 260 edist are cosmetics (Eg results of AfD, changing the rating/class, etc.) In short, I see very little in the way of consensus building. He has very few edits demonstrating meaningful dialog---he only has 16 edits on his page and 11 on his nom's page and no more than 8 on any other user! Then there are his edits, it is rare that I see as blatant of deletionist as we have here. Finalnight does an excellent job with edit summaries, which makes looking at how he voted very easy. Unfortunately, I was surprised at how rarely he votes to keep (He does close edits as keeps, but that is the only way non-admins can close AfD's.) While he does give more than a "Per X" !vote at XfD's there weren't too many places where he appeared to revisit previous edits---eg it seemed like a lot of drive by !votes. (While he has some CSD's none jumped out at me as blatantly wrong and there weren't as many as I expected.) Most of his article edits are also template/cosmetic. While I see a lot of potential in this candidate, I just can't support right now. Then there is his choice in sports team... oh wait, we can't oppose for liking the vikings can we?---Balloonman ^PoppaBalloon 07:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I won't argue with any supporting or deleting opinions here as that is non-productive and disrespectful, but I will point out any factual innaccuracies that are brought up. You only counted my current talk page edits and ignored the fact that I archive my talk page and when adding in my archives, my total edits to my talk page are 43, not 16.--Finalnight (talk) 14:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was actually using this tool but looking at it again, I will concede the 43 edits to your talk page that you've made over a period of about 7 months... for an average of 6 edits per month. I suspect that your RfA will pass, but I like to see more constructive edits and more consensus building than I see in your edits.---Balloonman ^PoppaBalloon 14:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Le Grand, Balloonman. SashaNein (talk) 20:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose On June 28, 2008 finalnight nominated an article for speeding as a hoax which was not in my opinion blatant and obvious (deleted edit). This concerns me greatly. His answer to Q7 did not allay my fears. Jon513 (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looks fairly blatant to me: A two-second Google search shows two hits. GlassCobra 21:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention the community consensus that had already decided that it was in fact, a hoax. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It seems a bit odd to be pointing to a deleted diff as evidence against an RfA candidate, smacks a bit of secret evidence. This is an open vote of the entire community and using deleted evidence that the community cannot see is troublesome as you could say whatever you want about it and 99% of editors cannot see if what you are claiming is true.--Finalnight (talk) 22:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"The action you have requested is limited to Administrators. Return to Main Page." Not very convincing to a non-admin like myself.Erik the Red 2 (AVE·CAESAR) 22:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking the same. If an admin would be so kind as to at least summarise what it was, it would be nice for any of us making up our minds about the votes, as well as to allow Finalnight to actually see what the problem is! ~ mazca ^{t | c} 23:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article was deleted at Afd at this link. The article attested that this (unknown/ungoogle-able) person was a billionaire, with lots of silly accolades. The speedy tag added by Finalnight was three days after the deletion discussion closed as delete, so really, it was a WP:CSD#G4 as well as a hoax. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 23:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And actually (sorry, admin only for the next diff), Finalnight changed the speedy to be {{db-repost}} instead of {{db-vandalism}} himself. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 23:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info, Keeper. No concerns here on this count. ~ mazca ^{t | c} 23:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it was a hoax, I agree that google confirms this, and if I was voting in an AfD I would vote to delete, but a failed google test is not a criteria for speedy deletion. There are many areas where the internet simply does not have information on the topic and a google test would imply that it is a hoax. And it is easy for someone in good faith to assume something is a hoax and speedy delete it when it really is not. There was a AfD of the article 3 days before this (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason B Burnett), which was closed early as a speedy. After FinalNight marked it a hoax, he later remarked it as G4 (reposted deleted material). In my opinion this was also a mistake as reposted speedy material does not qualify for G4, though one could make a strong argument that the deletion discussion, while closed early, was extensive enough to be consider an AfD. Jon513 (talk) 23:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not now. I looked through almost all of Finalnight's AfD contributions and, though keep !votes are sparse, he's been quite reasonable. (I take it he is applying this reasoning to his AfD participation, which is fine with me.) What concerns me is that I see no participation in XfD besides AfD -- no IfD, TfD, CfD, UCfD, SfD, RfD or MfD. Also no DRV. I don't care much about some of these, like SfD and TfD, but I'd at least like to see some participation in IfD and DRV (most/all of them would be ideal). Finalnight doesn't list these as areas of interest in his answer to Q1, but virtually all admins work in these areas at some point. I rarely cast these types of votes, but this seems like an extreme case. I would happily support with more rounded experience. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 21:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So, he said he's not going to work in those areas, has not worked in those areas, and you're opposing because he has not worked in those areas and has no interest in those areas? I've yet to make a single post at IFD either. If he had stated that he wants to close IFDs, and has yet to make a post in an IFD, I wouldn't have nominated him (or supported for that matter). Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with Keep here... while I am opposing, the rationale of this oppose doesn't make much sense to me.---Balloonman ^PoppaBalloon 22:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. This is an extremely nitpicky, pedantic and unnecessarily specific oppose I must say. It's like saying "candidate hasn't edited science related articles in the mainspace" Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 23:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

On the fence here. I have reviewed FN's edit history, and I see an intelligent, capable, and ethical editor. Still, the evidence presented in the first oppose disturbs me greatly. One of the greatest threats to our encyclopedia is by-the-book OR hawks who seek to outlaw common sense. Not sure what to think on this one. Mr. IP (talk) 10:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Adding comment to get this picked up by the rfa analysis tool.--Finalnight (talk) 20:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 #:So, he said he's not going to work in those areas, has not worked in those areas, and you're opposing because he has not worked in those areas and has no interest in those areas?  I've yet to make a single post at IFD either.  If he had stated that he wants to close IFDs, and has yet to make a post in an IFD, I wouldn't have nominated him (or supported for that matter). [[User:Keeper76|<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper</font>]] | [[User talk:Keeper76|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76</font>]] | [[User:Keeper76/origin|<font color="#ff0000"><small>what's in a name?</small></font>]] 21:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 #::I have to agree with Keep here... while I am opposing, the rationale of this oppose doesn't make much sense to me.---'''[[User:Balloonman|<font color="purple">Balloonman</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Balloonman|<b><sup><small>PoppaBalloon</small></sup></b>]]'' 22:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
+#:::I agree. This is an extremely nitpicky, pedantic and unnecessarily specific oppose I must say. It's like saying "candidate hasn't edited science related articles in the mainspace" [[User:Wisdom89|'''<font color="#660000">Wisdom89</font>''']] <sub>([[User_talk:Wisdom89|<small><sub><font color="#17001E">T</font></sub></small>]] / [[Special:Contributions/Wisdom89|<small><sup><font color="#17001E">C</font></sup></small>]])</sub> 23:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
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