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The result was delete. east.718 at 18:14, 11/3/2007
Orthopox 13
Per WP:FICT. This is a huge wad of plot summary written in a in-universe style that cannot possibly be salvaged since no reliable, third-party, independent source has written specifically about this main character that would allow it to be compliant with WP:FICT. Merging overruled by two editors, one who apparently thinks that complying with policy is "vandalism". hbdragon88 19:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am also nominating the following character articles:
hbdragon88 21:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'll be honest, as much as I love the Destroy All Humans! series, these pages lack real-world notability and a few other things that they would need to remain, so deleting is the only opition for right now. BassxForte 02:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per WP:NOT#PLOT and WP:FICT. Unlikely reliable secondary sources exist to establish notability. Doctorfluffy 05:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge and redirect to Seven Sisters (Forgotten Realms). Fang Aili talk 18:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Qilué Veladorn
- Qilué Veladorn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Non-notable fictional character. Prod was deleted by 204.208.179.5 without comment (along with the {{unreferenced}} tag), so listing for AfD. Mikeblas 23:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete, appears to be non-notable, fails WP:FICT. Google search returns about 1500 hits, but I didn't find any decent secondary sources indicating notability. Doctorfluffy 06:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 10:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete for lack of reliable secondary sources as evidence of notability outside of the game settings. There are no primary sources given either, nor any real world perspective.--Gavin Collins 11:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Seven Sisters (Forgotten Realms), ideally along with the other six (except maybe Alustriel). Powers T 12:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per Powers. For what it's worth, the claim that "reliable secondary sources" are absent for an article of this nature is a bit wide of the mark: in fact, the description of these characters, in semi-encyclopedic styles, in game manuals whose authority is definitive precedes their use in narrative fiction. - Smerdis of Tlön 13:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to Seven Sisters (Forgotten Realms). Pinball22 15:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per above. --Polaron | Talk 16:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- delete - cruft, no real world perspective, no secondary sources. Too bad there's not a D&D Wikipedia to transwiki these things into... I don't know how WOTC would feel about it, though, as these are copyrighted characters. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 22:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Lots of wikis deal with copyrighted characters, including Muppet Wiki, Wookieepedia, and Memory Alpha. Granted, Wizards is not Disney/Henson, Lucasfilm, or CBS, but all three of them have been known to put up just as much of a fuss as Wizards has in the past. Powers T 15:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, there is a D&D wiki, but it seems to cover just Open Gaming License content, including homebrew stuff. I also found a Forgotten Realms wiki. Powers T 15:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Lots of wikis deal with copyrighted characters, including Muppet Wiki, Wookieepedia, and Memory Alpha. Granted, Wizards is not Disney/Henson, Lucasfilm, or CBS, but all three of them have been known to put up just as much of a fuss as Wizards has in the past. Powers T 15:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Those are fan wikis, while this is an encyclopedia wiki. Perhaps a D&D fan wiki can't hold any copyrighted content from the sourcebooks because that would discourage people from buying the manuals, I dunno. But in that case, maybe Wikipedia shouldn't have an article on a topic if its content only comes from the D&D manuals and source books (either directly or through synthesis). AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 16:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Coredesat 04:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Krork
Non-notable fictional RPG character - no relevant google hits on Krork Azeroth. A couple of editors have removed CSD and prod notices without explanation. NeilN 15:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, as a non-notable fictional character. It also is written somewhat in-universe. Thanks, Codelyoko193 Talk Contributions 16:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Non-notable subject, no sources, written in an exceedingly unencyclopedic manner. GlassCobra 22:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per GlassCobra. Doctorfluffy 22:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete - vanity article about a player character. Does not assert notability, and in any case he can't spell "fell swoop". Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 11:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect to List of Honorverse characters, taking into account the other related closed discussions on this log. --Tikiwont 09:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Aivars Terekhov
- Aivars Terekhov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
A fictional character in a lesser known scifi series, google search shows nothing notable. Page is in-universe, unsourced. There is a wikia for this series. Fee Fi Foe Fum 08:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Redirect to List of Honorverse characters —Quasirandom 15:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Terekhov plays an important role in the first novel of what is planned to be a series of several novels in the Honorverse; as such, deletion seems premature. For now, the expansive List seems a good place for him. That said, List of Honorverse characters is more than a simple list, and perhaps renaming it "Minor Honorverse characters" is a good idea as well. Magidin 16:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Saying he will be an important character in a future book series is crystalballery. Fee Fi Foe Fum 06:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, fails WP:FICT requirement for secondary sources. Doctorfluffy 05:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as article is all plot summary without any primary or secondary sources.--Gavin Collins 08:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of Honorverse characters. @pple complain 16:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fritz Montoya
- Fritz Montoya (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
A fictional character in a lesser known scifi series, google search shows nothing notable. Page is in-universe, unsourced. Fee Fi Foe Fum 08:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Redirect to List of Honorverse characters. —Quasirandom 15:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect per Quasirandom -- Magioladitis 17:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, entirely non-notable per WP:FICT. 10 ghits ("-wikipedia" used) with nothing even nearing a reliable secondary source. Doctorfluffy 17:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy kept, due to nom being made by a disruptive user. Any user with an objection to the article may recreate an AFD at any time, however, I ask that this AfD is not taken into consideration in the future. Will (talk) 19:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
List of shapeshifters in myth and fiction
- List of shapeshifters in myth and fiction (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
I can't believe people devote entire articles to this. This is just a bunch of long-accumulated cruft (as in, worthless, do-nothing junk that accrues in places nobody looks at). Wikipedia is neither an indiscriminate collection of information, nor a trivia collection. Anyone looking to learn about shapeshifters in myth is going to be sadly disappointed looking at this article (assuming they could get through the thousands of bytes of "This guy changes form in this comic book"). JohnEMcClure 21:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Rename to List of shapeshifters in mythology, and then delete the non-mythological entries after tagging them with Category:Fictional shapeshifters. —Quasirandom 21:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Or maybe that should be List of shapeshifters in myth and folklore, since the main article shapeshifting doesn't seem to make the distinction. —Quasirandom 23:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I don't like it is not a valid reason to delete. Colonel Warden 21:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - nomination is badly put, but even taking the nomination generously, it were nominated as being an indiscriminate or indistinct list, that's just not true. Fictional shape shifters (what other kind is there?) is a notable, interesting subject and I'm sure there are plenty of articles / sources about the subject broadly. However, it would make more sense to divide this up among myth/religion/superstition, television and film, and literary works. Consider renaming for that reason. Wikidemo 23:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep as not entirely curft, but badly needs better cites than internal links. Stubify? Bearian'sBooties 01:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the above three editors and possibly snowball keep too. Many of us do indeed find this kind of material encyclolpedic and especially with Halloween right around the corner our readers will be interested in learning more about this particular topic. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as is, and divide the article when there is more content. .This sort of material is encyclopedic, and the nomination amounts merely to IDONTLIKEIT. (not that ITINTERESTSME is much better as an argument). Since it can be limited to those with WP articles for the works or myths or characters, it is not indiscriminate. indiscriminate would be listing at random without concern for importance, or listing everything possible. Neither is the case here. There is not the least policy against articles on this sort of content, and no reason to call in trivia. the best part of wikipedia is the popular culture material, and the use of themes in notable works is an integral part. Lists are not necessarily expected to give complete information, but to link to the articles which justify them. Any inappropriate material is just a question for editing. DGG (talk) 03:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep since this nomination was made by a now-banned sockpuppet JohnEMcClure (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) --Steven J. Anderson 10:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - That it's a sockpuppet, there's now no doubt of. That it's a sockpuppet of a banned user, however, seems to be somewhat in question. Into The Fray T/C 10:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - there are numerous books on vampires/werewolves/horror movies et. Even by stricter standards of listcruft there is notable commentary, synthesis and essays on the subject. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. There was some support for a merger to a list; if someone wants to do that, see Help:Merging and moving pages for instructions. --bainer (talk) 11:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nukesaku
Non-notable characters from a manga series -- here are some of them that I tagged as part of this AfD but there are dozens more -- they should be part of a list, but do not deserve to each their own page.
- Enya Geil (links)
- Steely Dan (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
- Arabia Fats (links)
- Mannish Boy (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
- Cameo (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
- Midler (links)
- N'Dour (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
- Anubis (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
- Mariah (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
- Daniel J. D'Arby (links)
- Pet Shop (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
- Terence Trent D'Arby (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
- Kenny G (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
- Vanilla Ice (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
- Nukesaku (links)
Llajwa 19:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or Merge, possibly speedy close this since the nominator states they should be merged rather than deleted. Merging can (and almost always should) be done without an AfD vote. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment: If the proposal is to merge the individual character articless into a character list for JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, then that should be handled with the merge templates, rather than an AfD. However, it's hard to tell if this is the case, from the ambiguous wording of the proposal. —Quasirandom 22:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this article. No opinion on the others since the nominator's intent is unclear and I haven't visited the unlinked pages. CRGreathouse (t | c) 03:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per nominator into List of characters from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, along with a second grumble at the nominator for not using the merge process for this instead of the delete process. —Quasirandom 15:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:FICT. 300 ghits, none of them reliable secondary sources. Doctorfluffy 21:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete considering the option to merge(create a new article) without reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability would only result in another AfD. I do note that Torchwoodwho (talk · contribs) has copied the articles over to Fancruft.net which is a Sci-Fi wiki. The last three included in the nomination are lists, and most editors made mention of these seperately mostly about being retained in that form as such these three will be Kept but they need sourcing and I'll tag them cleanup,source and notability tags. Gnangarra 13:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Throttle (Biker Mice from Mars)
- Throttle (Biker Mice from Mars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (View AfD)
This article consists of nothing but loads of OR, no real world information and no sources. If the latter two can't be provided in the article, I suggest either deleting it or redirecting it into the main article or create a list of characters.
I am also nominating the following pages:
- Modo (Biker Mice from Mars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Vinnie (Biker Mice from Mars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Lawrence Limburger (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Fred the Mutant (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Grease Pit (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Napoleon Brie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Charley Davidson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Carbine (Biker Mice from Mars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Phinneus P. Catorkian (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Cataclysm (Biker Mice from Mars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Fourby (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Hairball (Biker Mice from Mars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Harley (Biker Mice from Mars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Benjamin Boris Zachary Karbunkle (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Lord High Chairman Camembert (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Jack McCyber (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Rimfire (Biker Mice from Mars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Stoker (Biker Mice from Mars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Ronaldo Rump (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of alien species in Biker Mice from Mars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Supervillains in Biker Mice from Mars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of minor characters in Biker Mice from Mars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The Prince 12:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all - This kind of series shouldn't need more than a couple of paragraphs about the characters in the main article. TTN 14:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Merge all but the last three into List of characters in Biker Mice from Mars. I'm undecided whether to merge the last three as well or leave them. —Quasirandom 19:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge key characters to a list as suggested above. Unfortunately, it's hard to provide references for articles like this; unless the articles are impeccably sourced, it's hard to keep them around. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Make just one character article (deleting the last three listed) and only put important characters, and a much less information. i said 00:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to a list article...what, you couldn't have nominated these before I spent all that time recategorizing them? Otto4711 05:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge all but the three last ones to a list article, leave the three. I don't see the supposed OR in the article, by the way, beyond the statement that "Throttle" as a name in a show about bikers probably comes from throttles in vehicles. --Kizor 13:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all as none of these articles have reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability.--Gavin Collins 12:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I've imported all of these files over at Fancruft.net so if anyone wants to help tweak them over there it's much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Torchwoodwho (talk • contribs) 13:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No secondary sources at all, and apparent wp:or - Ukulele 20:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into a main character list. Thanks, Codelyoko193 Talk Contributions 23:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge most into one (or two - heroes and villains, or similar) character list; keep Throttle, Modo and Vinnie seperate as principal and eponymous characters. No OR apart from speculation on the origins of the names.Anglo-Norman 15:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all per TTN. Doctorfluffy 23:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into one list article. —ScouterSig 14:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. It should be pointed out the prior AFD discussion was closed as no consensus, and a month is not unreasonable for a follow up AFD in that situation. However, even discounting those arguments to keep as this AFD was "too soon" after the first, the consensus is still to keep the article. Neil ☎ 13:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Muten Roshi
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It's been more than a month and none have taken the time to improve the article. It remains unreferenced, and is filled with so much original research. Now I'm aware of the character's notability and all, but there isn't any real world information that can be attributed here since the character lacks real-world perspective. Merge to List of Earthlings in Dragon Ball#Muten Roshi. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep One of the more notable anime characters and very notable in Dragon Ball (although less so in Dragon Ball Z). Rename to his official English name of Master Roshi though. For far too long the members of the DBZ Wikiproject have thought that they are allowed to ignore policies and guidelines and use the English translation of characters names rather than their actual English name (as required). It's the reason I stopped editing Dragon Ball related articles. TJ Spyke 05:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The character definitely qualifies for notability, and the problems in the article are not so great that they can't be corrected without starting over. --jonny-mt(t)(c) 06:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The real problem is that Muten Roshi has no real life sources, and this article will continue to remain like that since there are none whatsoever. Who will take the time to place any references to the article? Obviously, no one cares. Also, WP:WPDB does not ignore any guidelines or policies, here they are right here. The page should actually be deleted per violating WP:V and WP:OR, but I say a merger would be best to save the data. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:06, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So, you don't ignore policies and guidelines because you followed unofficial policies and guidelines that cannot be enforced ever? Well, if you can create such a guideline, I make one that says the opposite of your naming conventions. Oops, already made - it's called the official naming conventions guideline.- A Link to the Past (talk) 04:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Correction - it appears that your guidelines and policies are official. However, you are arbitrarily enforcing certain policies and ignoring others. Why would there be a guideline that says we should use the English name, if the MoSJP was intended for this? There is a proper English name for Muten Roshi, it's Master Roshi. The MoSJP does not cover fictional characters in the slightest. Would you also support using direct translations of video games developed by Japanese developers? On multiple occasions, the idea that fictional subjects are covered by MoSJP has been considered bunk. The only fictional subjects that apply are those that do not have proper English names, and this is definitely not one of those subjects. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:23, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep. Notability is rightly undisputed; sourcing issues are trivial - would Lord Sesshomaru have the article's editors give specfic episode references? <ref>Episode 47, 13:47</ref>... And I don't know that a mere lack of out of universe perspective merits what would amount to deletion of the lion's share of the article. A merge isn't a good idea either for an entirely other reason; Master Roshi figures in how many disparate parts of the DB franchise? etc. --Gwern (contribs) 16:05 24 October 2007 (GMT)
- Strong Keep Per above comment by Gwern. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 19:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, per pretty much all of the arguments provided. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Sppedy Keep as a snowball. AfD is not the venue for article cleanup or to initiate a merger discussion. --Farix (Talk) 11:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as it has nothing good going for it; there are no primary sources to support the article's veracity, no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability. What it has got is not good: the article has a long "Background" section written from an in-universe perspective that is just a plot summary. There is no real evidence that this article should be kept.--Gavin Collins 13:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep as blatantly premature - one month isn't at all long in the circumstances. To the best of my knowledgte, AfDs a month apart are considered unacceptably close together. --Kizor 15:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Didn't we already go through this? The last very recent AFD was keep, and there has to be secondary sources on Master Roshi, he is a central character to a very popular anime. Viperix 21:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment doesn't matter how many keeps this page gets. Per WP:VERIFY policy, "Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed." Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. How is it original research? Original research is something with no sources. The article says that it is derived from anime/manga. Sure it doesn't have every seperate comment individually referenced, but that is not required under WP:VERIFY--Marhawkman 00:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep- for same reasons as last time, bad faith nomination so soon, when the last vote was not "no consensus" by a firm keep based on the voting outcomes and reasoning.JJJ999 01:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have to add that LS's arguments, aside from being bizarre, are ridiculously aggressive and basically wrong. The argument about sources is completely irrelevant, it would be like arguing that an article on President Bush should go because it lacked sources... since it requires almost zero effort to find real world notablility on a single google search, it is baffling that he makes these assertions. the answer is simply to add sources, not delete the article. I am offended that the previous AfD's were closed as no consensus, there was a clear consensus, in both reasoning and votesJJJ999 09:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No reliable sources beyond the plot itself, fails WP:FICT, WP:N, WP:V, and WP:NOR. Non-plot being derived from plot is original research. Jay32183 20:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- First, you need to go to WP:OR and read about original research. What you define it as above is incorrect, what you define above is "'source-based research,' and it is fundamental to writing an encyclopedia" (from WP:OR). Second a very quick search produces many many sources that speak to notability and have sourceable info on them. Here are a few of these, some are good for notability and others for information: http://www.newspaperarchive.com/LandingPage.aspx?type=glpnews&search=master%20roshi%20dbz&img=\\na0012\692760\8122183.html http://100megsfree4.com/abcsofdbz/roshi.html http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6715/ http://www.absoluteanime.com/dragon_ball/master_roshi.htm http://www.dragonballz.com/index.cfm?page=characters&type=O&id=63 There are many, many web pages to go through and I haven't the time to see if they agree with policy for sources, but you know as well as I do that with this many hits on a search a few will be genuine secondary sources. Viperix 09:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge to The Lone Gunmen (TV series). --Tikiwont 10:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yves Adele Harlow
- Yves Adele Harlow (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Merge into The Lone Gunmen (TV series). This character lacks independent notability and has too little information to justify a separate article. Doczilla 20:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per nom.--Bedivere 20:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
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- Merge into The Lone Gunmen (TV series). Pinball22 17:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge, no independent notability. --Dhartung | Talk 20:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep for merging. Merge/redirect is clearly preferred, but which/where to be worked out by editors in the usual venue, as no consensus is apparent here. GRBerry 14:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ben Dixon (fictional character)
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The article is about a minor(?) Robotech character, and is written in an in-universe manner. Withdraw nomination per Quasirandom's suggestion. Clarityfiend 19:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Merge, unless there is no viable merge target (which given the, uh, complicated nature of all things Robotech/Macross, is entirely possible), in which case redirect. --Gwern (contribs) 22:44 22 October 2007 (GMT)
- I see what you mean about no viable merge target: there's a category for characters, rather than a list of characters article, and most of the character articles are very brief. Someone with time and energy could fruitfully merge most (if not all) of them and create a viable subpage to Robotech, but until then ... oy. —Quasirandom 00:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think we do subpages these days; they seem to be deprecated. The usual thing seems to be a "List of...". --Gwern (contribs) 01:03 23 October 2007 (GMT)
- Exactly. Unless the character has notablity outside the work of fiction, which as far as I can tell, none of these do. —Quasirandom 14:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think we do subpages these days; they seem to be deprecated. The usual thing seems to be a "List of...". --Gwern (contribs) 01:03 23 October 2007 (GMT)
- I see what you mean about no viable merge target: there's a category for characters, rather than a list of characters article, and most of the character articles are very brief. Someone with time and energy could fruitfully merge most (if not all) of them and create a viable subpage to Robotech, but until then ... oy. —Quasirandom 00:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: What I would like to see is, rather than delete this single character of all the ones in the category, that they all be tagged as merge into List of Robotech characters and the relevant WikiProject notified. If nothing is done in, say, a couple months, then conclude the articles aren't important enough to bother with and then mass AfD the whole lot of them. —Quasirandom 23:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I should probably make this an explicit rather than implicit request: is the nominator willing to withdraw the AfD to allow this proposal to happen? I'm willing to tag-n-notify, but not if this article is going to be deleted anyway. —Quasirandom 19:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have no problem with that. Tag away. Clarityfiend 22:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I've tagged everything in the category for merging and notified the project. Let's see if someone cares enough to save them. If that doesn't work, I'd support a mass deletion of all but Macross operators, which actually aserts out-of-universe notability (though without citations yet). Until then, keep. —Quasirandom 01:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have no problem with that. Tag away. Clarityfiend 22:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I should probably make this an explicit rather than implicit request: is the nominator willing to withdraw the AfD to allow this proposal to happen? I'm willing to tag-n-notify, but not if this article is going to be deleted anyway. —Quasirandom 19:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete the most of the discussion centered around whether its cruft and if that a valid reason for deletion what was raised and remains unaddressed is notability thru independent sourcing. I recognise that transwiki was suggested but to where, I'm happy to restore for a limited time to a users space thus enable them to tranwiki if the destination can be provided. Gnangarra 01:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
List of Atlantis personnel in Stargate
- List of Atlantis personnel in Stargate (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Having a moderate number of fiction articles is ok as far as it covers the topic. But sometimes it goes into fancruft, then a cut has to be made. Also nominating List of Stargate Command personnel, same problem. If you find more, feel free to add. These two articles were afd before and there was no debate and after almost 2 weeks noone closed the debate so I considered it deletable but I got a complaint so I nominate again in order to get a consensus. Tone 17:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment, the previous AfD discussion did not get any debate because it was not listed properly and the nominator then decided to close the discussion himself and delete the articles. That is why I requested relisting, I have no opinion on the article itself. See also [1]. P.S. I notified the relevant Wikiproject in order to get some more input this time. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 20:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Seems I somehow didn't success in listing it, maybe a browser error... Anyway, let's have a look now. --Tone 20:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- (Transwiki and) Delete as a moderate fan of the show. Way to detailed for a general encyclopedia. It's like I have never heard 90% of the non-linked names (meaning I doubt even in-universe notability). – sgeureka t•c 21:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but heavily cut down. The basic premise of the list is good, it's useful information to have, but we do not need that much detail about characters that appeared for five minutes in one episode before being killed by Monster X. That can go on episode pages. Characters that have appeared more than once should be listed somewhere, though. --Tango 22:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You mean like List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis and List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate SG-1? Those lists already have all the in-universe-notable ones. – sgeureka t•c 23:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep not as List of Atlantis personnel in Stargate because is redundant with List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis but as summary of this List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis or (beause this article is big) as sub-article. This article should be keep beacause it list all characters with status and compare them (well adjusted with military ranks) by ranks, assigments... Same for List of Stargate Command personnel - Rollof1 08:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is exactly the reason why I tagged it for deletion. It lists all characters, regardless of importance or relevance to the plot. This list belongs to a stargate wiki, not to an encyclopedia. All the relevant characters are already included on other lists such as List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate SG-1, though even they need some trimming. We are building an encyc here, not a fansite. --Tone 20:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Cruft is not a reason to delete per WP:IDONTLIKEIT. There is useful nformation in these articles. Viperix 03:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I elaborated my point considerably more than just calling it cruft. And I somehow doubt how listing a characters we only know by name is useful. If you like guidelines, what about WP:IINFO. --Tone 17:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see how this article qualifies for anything in WPinfo. Just a list of characters for no reason would be un-useful, but a list of Atlantis personnel in star gate is useful. The only reason you gave besides cruft was that it had been nominated before. Viperix 20:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete as individual characters and list thereof have no reliable secondary sources as evidence of notability.--Gavin Collins 12:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Like I said on the Biker Mice AFD, these articles along with most Stargate-related material have been copied to Fancruft.net so no matter the outcome of this AFD there's still a place to edit and archive them. just FYI.--Torchwood Who? 13:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- RG2 01:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
List of Neopets
- List of Neopets (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Inworld context only, not encyclopedic Pilotbob 02:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. Unless nom would like to explain how this list differs from the various other list of fictional characters already on WP, I'm not inclined to agree that this does not fit WP's standards of encyclopedic content. Context issues can be fixed by editing. hateless 04:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason to keep this article. These characters are not notable at all outside of the neopets universe. Pilotbob 16:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: vast, vast website. Inherently notable. Could perhaps use some pruning of in-universe ideas, but is otherwise useful information. As to Pilotbob - there was a McDonald's promotion with these characters, I'm pretty sure if they offer them as Happy Meal toys then the characters are notable outside of the Neopets universe. Now, were this an article listing every storyline character on Neopets, then I'd be with you - that's unnecessary. But it isn't, so I vote to keep. ♠PMC♠ 23:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I agree with Pilotbob. This article/list is not really a list of fictional characters, it is more like a fancrufty list of "species" within the website. In addition, this article only contains 1 source other than the website itself, and also is mostly original research. As for notability, it is not automatically inherited , even if Neopets is very notable. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 02:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I second the deletion of this article, for the aforementioned reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.211.198 (talk) 03:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - lack of independent reliable sources. Subject adequately covered by Neopets and Neopets Inc. articles. Addhoc 13:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete fails WP:RS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.9.250.64 (talk) 00:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect. -- RG2 11:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dominic Santiago
- Dominic Santiago (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
It's an article for a minor fictional character with very few information. All usefull info can be merged in List of Gears of War characters & adversaries as a user suggested a year ago (merge tag is still there and nobody removed it). The article can be replaced with a simple redirect or deleted.Magioladitis 00:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect per nom in order to place the topic in proper context; but don't delete the page history. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 01:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to List of Gears of War characters & adversaries. Do not merge, since all of this content is unsourced. Nick Graves 01:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I noninated Damon Baird and Augustus Cole as well. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damon Baird and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Augustus Cole -- Magioladitis 02:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirectto List of Gears of War characters & adversaries, though that artcle is not much better in terms of WP:WAF and WP:A. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 03:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep notable--Zingostar 17:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect: not notable enough. One comment in the List is more than enough.--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 17:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, non-notable gamecruft. Doctorfluffy 23:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect, but do not merge; unsourced content might later be sourced, so preserve page history. -- 71.62.82.126 23:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- RG2 02:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Damon Baird
It's an article for a minor fictional character with very few information. All usefull info can be merged in List of Gears of War characters & adversaries as a user suggested some months ago (merge tag is still there and nobody removed it). The article can be replaced with a simple redirect or deleted. See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominic Santiago and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Augustus Cole -- Magioladitis 02:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - per above, same as the other AFD. /Blaxthos 16:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable fictional character. Bearian 22:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. -- Nips 20:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete Gnangarra 06:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Augustus Cole
- Augustus Cole (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
It's an article for a minor fictional character with very few information. All usefull info can be merged in List of Gears of War characters & adversaries as a user suggested some months ago (merge tag is still there and nobody removed it). The article can be replaced with a simple redirect or deleted. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominic Santiago and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damon Baird --Magioladitis 02:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I see no reliable sources that attest to notability. The only reference is to a self-published web-comic. — Ksero 03:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete as cruft. /Blaxthos 16:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not all minor characters deserve pages. Smiley200 11:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, pure gamecruft. Doctorfluffy 23:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Hares in Redwall (via WP:PROD) Deleted
- Demon Shark (via WP:PROD on 13 October 2007) Deleted
- Rie Atarashii (via WP:PROD on 9 October 2007) Deleted
- Zeus Carver (via WP:PROD on 28 September 2007) Deleted