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The last step of [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]] is Arbitration.
Please review the Dispute resolution for other avenues you should take. If you do not follow any of these routes, it is highly likely that your request for Arbitration will be rejected. If all other steps have failed, and you see no reasonable chance that the matter can be resolved in another manner, you may request that it be decided by the Arbitration Committee.


[[Category:Wikipedia requests]]
See [[Wikipedia:Arbitration policy]], [[Wikipedia:Arbitrators]], [[/Admin enforcement requested]], [[/Standing orders]], [[/Template]]
[[Category:Wikipedia arbitration]]

== Structure of this page ==
The procedure for accepting requests is described in the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration policy|Arbitration policy]]. Important points:

* '''Be brief''' - put a quick list of the nature of the complaints. Link to detailed evidence elsewhere if you need to.
* '''You are required to place a notice on the user talk page of each person you lodge a complaint against.'''
* '''Please sign and date at least your original submission with <nowiki>'~~~~'</nowiki>.'''
* New requests to the top, please.

The numbers in the ''Comments and votes by Arbitrators (0/0/0/0)'' section corresponds to Accept/Reject/Recuse/Other.

==Current requests for Arbitration==





===[[User:CheeseDreams]]===
====Request by [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]]====
Since the other arbitration request is utterly unclear on who's asking who for what, I'll make this simple. I request arbitration against [[User:CheeseDreams]] for total failure to edit with any Wikiquette, repeated POV warrioring, personal attacks, and generally making the Wikipedia a harder place to edit.

A great deal (Probably more than any sane person wants to read) of information is at [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/CheeseDreams]], but I'll throw some pertinant edit links here.

He is prone to inflammatory edit summaries such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Creation_vs._evolution_debate&oldid=7792666&diff=7762716]. He puts dispute tags on articles without discussion and without any effort to fix the problems, often doing so on articles he has never edited prior to dispute tagging, such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Three_Wise_Men&diff=7606830&oldid=7593257]. He has engaged in vandalism on talk pages as in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Eequor&diff=7912534&oldid=7912169] (He changes "tastes" to "testes." He engages in POV warrioring such as trying to move the page [[Cultural and historical background of Jesus]] to [[Historical reconstruction of the sort of person Jesus would be]], which implies that Jesus was not a real person - an inappropriate implication for an article title.

I specifically request a temporary injunction that will block CheeseDreams from edits to religion-related articles at the very least, if not from all articles until the conclusion of this case.

I believe mediation will prove fruitless in this case based on the discussion on [[Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus]], specifically in the "Status of Mediation" section in which he declares a mediator biased basically for failing to totally agree with him, and withdraws from the mediation process. (This was not a formal mediation process, but it still does not bode well for mediation.) Furthermore, CheeseDreams is engaging in this behavior over far too many articles with far too many users to consolidate into a mediation case - to do so would only put out one or two fires when there's a lot more that needs to be kept under control. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 04:56, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

To clarify, I am making a general request for arbitration against CheeseDreams for widespread and problematic editing and conduct. Since one of the reasons for rejection or abstention in the previous arbitration request regarding CheeseDreams was that the case was too confusingly laid out, I am specifically avoiding drenching the arbcom in evidence. I have moved all requests that were ammended to mine to [[User:Snowspinner/CheeseDreams]] where they can sit until they are adapted for Evidence, or where an arbitor can look at them if so inclined. However, I'd like to keep this case request simple and direct. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 19:09, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

====Ammendment to Request, by [[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|<font color="purple">Luke</font>]]====
::Also consider CheeseDreams' wasteful and uncertified RfCs. User appears to submit RfCs before attempting to resolve problems with other Wikipedians directly.
::*[[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Theresa knott]] (deleted, uncertified)
::*[[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Eequor]] (likewise)
::*[[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig]]
::*[[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein]]
::*[[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney]]
:[[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] [[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|<font color="purple">Luke</font>]] 05:47, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

====Request by [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]====
I ([[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]) would like to add a request for arbitration, specifically concerning two articles: [[Cultural and historical background of Jesus]], and a set of articles entitled [[Jesus in a cultural and historical background]] and [[Historical reconstruction of the sort of person Jesus would be]].

'''Concerning the first article'''
The first article was originally a section of [[Jesus]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Jesus&oldid=6801223#The_historical_Jesus_of_Nazareth]; when the Jesus article became too long it was made a daughter article. I am one of several editors who has worked on it. In late October or early November CheeseDreams began working on the article. I questioned many of her edits, which I believed were inaccurate or unverifiable; she began reverting my changes. During this period she often called for votes -- in my opinion, substituting votes for discussion (there is a clear pattern, when a vote supports her view she demands that the vote be considered established consensus; when the vote does not support her position she explains that votes do not determine the truth). By November 2 we were in a revert war. Many of the differences between our versions were stylistic, but some were substantive: CheeseDreams refered to the area as "Palestine" although at the time in question Romans and Jews refered to Judea and the Galilee separately; CheeseDreams insisted that there were many messianic groups, among them Mandeanists, but there is no evidence for this and when I asked CheeseDreams to verify her claims, she refused. Here are the two versions: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Jesus&oldid=6801223#The_historical_Jesus_of_Nazareth]. On Nov, 3 the page was protected. On Nov. 18 it was unprotected, and a new editor, FT2, revised the article and attempted to incorporate as much material from the discussion as possible [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&oldid=7650187]. I felt that FT2's version was a good start given the previous conflicts on the talk page, but was poorly organized and included many claims that were inaccurate; moreover FT2's article had explicit gaps where FT2 did not know the appropriate information. Striving to keep as much material from FT2's version as possible, I revised the article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&oldid=7661856]. I spent the better part of the day Nov. 19th working on the article and made over 50 edits, using the edit summary for each one to explain what I was doing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cultural+and+historical+background+of+Jesus&action=history&limit=250&offset=0]. During this period CheeseDream periodically reverted ''all of my edits'' without any explanation. On Nov. 20th FT2 made a series of edits which I believe left the artice in even worse condition -- very poorly organized, and replete with factual inaccuracies. I posted a list of over a dozen problems with FT2's version on the talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus/Archive_4#FT2.27s_Ultimate_Version], went back to my last version, and spent the better part of the 22nd working on the article making substantial additions of verifiable and NPOV content, leading to this version [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&oldid=7761487]. At that point, CheeseDreams, Amgine, and FT2 took turns reverting my work -- with the effect of deleting much content I had added -- and without any explanation or justification. They did not respond to my list of problems with FT2s version, and did not post any specific criticisms of my version (Amgine did provide some explanations/examples of problems at one point). Here is John Kenney's analysis of the revert war: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus/Archive_4#Process_Fetishization]. Fundamentally, FT2s version was replete with inaccurate and unverifiable information; I have done considerable research and added verifiable, accurate content which CheeseDreams and others kept reverting. Theresa Knott protected the article on Nov. 23. Since that time, I have continued to try to suggest substantive, verifiable, relevant changes to the article (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus#Suggestions_for_next_set_of_revisions] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus#moving_on]). CheeseDream simply rejects every edit I have made or proposed. CheeseDream never provides any substantive reason for rejecting my work (she simply doesn't like it), and CheeseDream refuses to justify her changes to me, or to provide evidence or sources. In short, FT2 and I simply disagree about organization (he prefers topical, I prefer chronological), but most other contributors prefer my organization. CheeseDream rejects any work I do and reverts it.

On November 14 I requested mediation in my conflict with CheeseDreams, Amgine, and FT2 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Archive_12#Users_CheeseDreams.2C_SIrubenstein_and_Amgine]. Amgine and CheeseDream would nat accept anyone I nominated as mediator. They choose Llywrch. Llywrch attempted mediation, but Amgine and CheeseDream expressed dissatisfaction and then rejected him as mediator. By this time I was communicating more constructively with Amgine and FT2, but still could not communicate with CheeseDreams. I made a second request for mediation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation#Cultural_and_Historical_Background_of_Jesus_and_Jesus_in_a_cultural_and_historical_background], but no one volunteered to be mediator, and CheeseDream (who had stated that she would not accept anyone I nominated) did not nominate anyone. Llywrch suggested we go to arbitration. CheeseDream has often suggested arbitration, as has John Kenny.

I would like CheeseDreams banned from the article. I can find no good contribution to the article by her -- she has never improved the clarity of the prose, and has never added verifiable content; she only disrupts mine and others' attempts to improve the article.

'''Concerning the talk page of the first article'''
Wikipedia talk pages often get too long. Wikipedia policy is to archive material. We archived a good deal of the discussion. CheeseDreams summarized this discussion and placed it back into the article. This is bad for two reasons: first, her summary is biased; she rewrites what others said and condenses arguments to support her views. Second, her summaries are very long and defeat the purpose of archiving. I archived her summary. Over the past several days she continues to move archived material back into the article; I put it back in the archive; she puts it back in the article. This defeats the purpose of the archives, and makes the talk page excessively long (160 kilobytes long!).

'''Concerning the other two articles'''
In the second article, CheeseDream simply copied the first (protected) article and gave it a new title, [[Jesus in cultural and historical background]]. Someone put in a redirect to the original page [[Cultural and historical background of Jesus]]. CheeseDream reverted that and eight other attempts to redirect it. When I redirected and protected the redirect, CheeseDream accused me of abusing my sysop powers. At the request of another editor I unprotected it. CheeseDream reverted it and instituted a complaint at RfC against me. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_in_a_cultural_and_historical_background], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Slrubenstein]. John K. redirected and protected the page, and CheeseDream created a ''new'' namespace ([[Historical reconstruction of the sort of person Jesus would be]]) with ''the same old article content that is [[Cultural and historical background of Jesus]]''. I redirected and protected the page. She claims that this creation of two or three separate namespaces for the same article content is in the spirit of compromise, and I believe that this is laughable on its face. Presumably, the compromise would be that the original article (Cultural and historical background of Jesus) would be reverted to the form she likes, leaving me to enjoy the form I like. There are three reasons why this is not a good-faith compromise. First, I know of no example in wikipedia where a conflict over an article was resolved by having two versions of the article. Our goal should be one verifiable NPOV article for one topic or issue, not several articles on the same topic, different only in representing the views of a different editor. This smacks in the face of everything Wikipedia stands for and is a bad precedent. Second, CheeseDreams' move is disingenuous because she added all sorts of tags (neutrality and accurcacy under dispute) to the second copy of the article. In other words, she simply wishes to continue the arguments she has had with me over the original article, at a second space. Third, the article she favors is still, in the mind of me and several other editors, deeply flawed and will continue to be questioned and worked on.

I do not know if this is a bannable offense -- it certainly is in my opinion trolling. I believe it requires some sort of strong disciplinary action. [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]

====Additional comments====
Something needs to be done about this, because [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] continues to edit without any regard for discussions. The word ''koan'' has once more been added to [[Jesus]], showing that CheeseDreams has no intent of respecting the community. --[[User:Eequor|[[User:Eequor|<font size="+1">&#5339;&#5505;</font>]]<font id="venus">[[Image:Venus symbol (blue).gif|&#9792;]]</font>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Eequor}} <font size="+1">&#5200;</font>]]] 01:26, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

====Comment by [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]]====
Why is this RFAr being so warmly and hastily accepted:
* Even though the submitters have not even mentioned '''any''' attempts of dispute resolution, while
:That you wrote this simply reveals that you did not read my complaint. [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]
::Indeed. We went through an attempted mediation. There's also been an RFC, and many attempts at direct communication. [[User:John Kenney|john]] [[User_talk:John Kenney|k]] 18:48, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* The RFAr right below (Quadell) was quickly rejected by '''5''' arbs for ostensibly not having attempted dispute resolution (even though the RFAr below does specifically mention dispute resolution attempts and futility of further attempts.)
[[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] 07:38, 2004 Dec 6 (UTC)

====Votes and comments by arbitrators 3/0/1/0====
* Accept [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 18:48, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
* Accept. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 19:32, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
* Accept. [[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt [[TINC|<s>of the Cabal</s>]]]] 21:19, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* Recuse. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 21:42, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

===[[User:Quadell|Quadell]]===

'''I [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] Restored this RfAr on behalf of HistoryBuffEr based on the principle of Habeas Corpus and Human Rights. DO NOT DELETE IT. If you will not accept his right to have this case brought, then consider it brought by me. [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 22:43, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)'''
:'''Please note''' HistoryBuffEr is ''not'' allowed to edit via anonymous IP address during his 24 hour block for violating the 3RR. I would strongly advise that this request for arbitration be filed ''after'' the block has finished!!!!! - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 00:20, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
::He was blocked by the person he is bringing this RfAr against, and by the person's associates. Therefore, it is an allegation of abuse of adminship. If Quadrell was found guilty, HistoryBuffEr would have been unjustly blocked, therefore would have the right to make this request. As such, Habeas Corpus demand he be able to make that right Now, on the assumption of his innocence ("innocent until proven guilty"). Likewise the general block must stay because Quadell is also innocent until proven guilty. [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 00:58, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
::: Just to point out, HistoryBuffEr was blocked by myself and UninvitedCompany. UninvitedCompany is no more my "associate" than CheeseDreams; I had never conversed with him before today. [[User:Quadell|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &ndash; [[User:Quadell|'''Q'''uadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[User:Quadell/Request for assistance|help]])</sup>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 01:42, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

[[User:Quadell|Quadell]] has repeatedly abused his sysop priviledges by blocking [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] without justification '''twice''' this week.

* [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] had blocked [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] for 24 hours on 23:48, 2004 Nov 29, for alleged "violation of 3RR". Actually, there was no violation, but Quadell did not respond to questions and requests to unblock, so an RfC was filed ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Quadell], may be deleted now but a copy is available). Quadell admitted his blocking was a mistake, but instead of offering a sincere apology he tried to shift the blame onto [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]].
:This RfC was closed on December 2.
* [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] has now again blocked [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] for 24 hours on 20:07, 3 Dec 2004, for alleged "violation of 3RR".
:"16:30, 3 Dec 2004, Quadell blocked HistoryBuffEr (expires 16:30, 4 Dec 2004) (contribs) (Violation of 3RR on [[Ariel Sharon]])"
:Actually, there was no violation, as [[User:Mirv|Mirv]] pointed out to [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mirv#HistoryBuffEr_on_Ariel_Sharon here], but [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] insists he was right.
* [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] has been involved in a personal dispute with [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/HistoryBuffEr_and_Jayjg/Evidence#RE:_Quadell.27s_views]). In the RfC, [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] was advised by [[User:Wolfman|Wolfman]] to ask another sysop to assist in situations where [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] has personal involvement. However, [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] has apparently ignored this advice.
* After [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] posted objection to blocking to [[User talk:Quadell|Quadell]], [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] threatened to extend the ban [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HistoryBuffEr/Archived-Sermons#Your_Repeated_Unwarranted_Blocking] because such posts were in his words "illegal". And, indeed, [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] extended the ban shortly afterwards:
:"20:07, 3 Dec 2004, Quadell blocked 66.93.166.174 (expires 20:07, 4 Dec 2004) (contribs) (This account is being used by [[HistoryBuffEr]], who is under a 24 hour block.)"

As [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] appears to be out of control I request a '''temporary injunction''' against [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] to:
* Unblock [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] and related IP(s) so this Arbitration can proceed.
* Refrain from blocking [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] and related IP(s) until this Arbitration is closed.

Submitted by: [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] 21:05, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

P.S: As for attempts at dispute resolution:
* There was an RfC about Quadell just days ago,
* Quadell has refused requests to unblock [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HistoryBuffEr/Archived-Sermons#Your_Repeated_Unwarranted_Blocking].

'''Update:'''

[[User:Quadell|Quadell]] is now requesting other sysops to revert [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]]'s edits while blocked, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Proteus#Request_for_assistance]. As the only edits [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] made today were '''objections to his blocking''' (including this request), [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] should be asked to '''refrain from obstructing the Arbitration process'''.

'''Update 2:'''7

When I tried to post the above update, I could not, [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] extended the ban to yet another IP:
:"21:34, 3 Dec 2004, Quadell blocked 4.232.123.136 (expires 21:34, 4 Dec 2004) (contribs) (Account is being used by HistoryBuffEr, who is under a 24-hour block)"

'''Update 3:'''

When I tried to post the above updates, it turned out that [[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&diff=0&oldid=8093933 removed this Request for Arbitration]]!!! [[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]] also deleted [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] reply which explained that the only edits made were objections to blocking, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy&diff=0&oldid=8093931] and [[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=UninvitedCompany contribs].

Please consider this request for arbitration at your earliest convenience.

By: [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] 22:03, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:I second this. [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 22:42, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:Further, I consider it an abomination to prevent the right of the accused to question the justice in their accusation. Habeas Corpus etc. Therefore I request punitive action be made against those who removed this RfAr. [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 22:42, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
::I ''absolutely'' disagree with this. While he is blocked for 24 hours, HistoryBuffEr is ''not'' allowed to edit pages. The editors were merely rolling back changes made by a blocked editor. This is standard procedure. Whether the block was justified, I'm still checking this out. But the fact remains that HistoryBuffEr could have waited 24 hours before bringing this to ArbCom. He should not be trying to get around blocks. - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 00:24, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:::He was blocked by the person he is bringing this RfAr against, and by the person's associates. Therefore, it is an allegation of abuse of adminship. If Quadrell was found guilty, HistoryBuffEr would have been unjustly blocked, therefore would have the right to make this request. As such, Habeas Corpus demand he be able to make that right Now, on the assumption of his innocence ("innocent until proven guilty"). Likewise the general block must stay because Quadell is also innocent until proven guilty. [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 00:58, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I'd also like to say this: I have today blocked IPs used by HistoryBuffEr, and I have extended HistoryBuffEr's block to 24 hours after his last edit as an anonymous user. I believe, as UninvitedCompany, Ta bu shi da yu, and others believe, that it is appropriate to enforce 3RR blocks in this way. However, I have come to find out that this is disputed by some in good faith. Therefore I won't be extending the block on HistoryBuffEr or blocking the IPs he uses for getting around the 24-hour block. I still think such an action is warranted, but I accept that consensus is not clear on this point. [[User:Quadell|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &ndash; [[User:Quadell|'''Q'''uadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[User:Quadell/Request for assistance|help]])</sup>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 01:42, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

Update: '''Note''' re dispute resolution:

Please note that this matter has not been brought straight to arbitration and can be fairly considered to have exausted other ''reasonable'' dispute resolution means:
* Quadell's similar previous violation was already discussed under an RfC. He admitted the error, but failed to accept full responsibility and provide assurances that such behavior would not be repeated.
* Sure enough, Quadell did essentially the same thing just one day after the previous dispute resolution.
* Quadell does not appear to have any second thoughts about his actions. Despite advice by several sysops that his block was unjustified, he prevented even bringing of a timely dispute of his action. Far from being conciliatory, Quadell appears emboldened and is actively lobbying for support among sysops.
It appears that other steps are unlikely to be helpful in this case and would be a waste of everyone's time. This is a fairly simple case which requires no extensive evidence or discussions. And if this RFAr is rejected for bureaucratic reasons, it is all but certain to come back shortly, having only wasted everyone's time on refiling and revoting.

By: [[User:HistoryBuffEr|HistoryBuffEr]] 05:04, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)

====Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (0/5/0/0)====
* Reject, please follow the dispute resolution procedure rather than trying to taking this straight to arbitration. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 22:14, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)
* Reject - agree with Fred. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 23:22, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* Reject [[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt [[TINC|<s>of the Cabal</s>]]]] 01:44, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* Reject. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 18:02, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* Just to pile on the bandwagon - reject. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 19:30, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

===[[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] vs. a-cabal-of-"fundamentalists"===

:''Main article'' - [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/CheeseDreams]]
[[User:CheeseDreams]] frequently employs abusive language, violates the 3RR rule, and fuels edit wars, and other dispute resolution methods have failed.
This opinion is held by at least 10 persons ''(Who did not bring this request)''

:''Main article'' - [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/The Cabal of Fundamentalists]]
Even though they have internal factions, a group of "fundamentalists" act as a cabal in keeping articles at their POV, engaging in revert wars to enforce this. Further they harass and try to intimidate anyone who seriously stands up to them, and frequently violate civility policy, often calling for bans. ''(Accused by CheeseDreams)''

*To be clear, CheeseDreams requested this arbitration. CheeseDreams accuses a number of people ("fundamentalists" including, apparently, Eequor) of stalking, harassment, conspiracy to ban, ect. The supposed cabal appears to be a majority of the people that signed the opposition summary on CheeseDream's RfC. The ten names listed as part of the cabal were picked at CheeseDreams discretion, not their own. The cabal has not been through RfC, but CheeseDreams started RfCs against at least Eequor and Jwrosenzweig individually. Eequor's RfC was not certified within 48 hours and Jwrosenzweig's is uncertified as of now. [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] [[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|<font color="purple">Luke</font>]] 03:25, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
**To be clearer, Mr Luke, I do not regard Jwrosenzweig as part of the cabal (I have stated this elsewhere I believe). The fact that the cabal are the majority of the people signing the opposition merely goes to prove my point. I knew who they were beforehand. [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 11:01, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I ask that [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig]] be reviewed, in addition to the links I previously placed here (and which now appear to have been deleted... his [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Archive_12#Users_CheeseDreams.2C_SIrubenstein_and_Amgine|attempted mediation]], [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/CheeseDreams|RFC]] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&target=CheeseDreams&limit=500&offset=0 edit history]) [[User:Sam Spade|[[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Spade|Spade]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Boardvote Wants '''''you''''' to vote!]]] 12:52, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

====Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (1/2/1/1)====
*Recuse -- honestly, CheeseDreams, there wasn't any reason to name me above. It suggests to me that you think I would have tried to remain on this case to oppose you in some way, which I wouldn't have considered for a moment. Please give those who disagree with you a little more credit than that. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 20:55, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* Accept [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 22:52, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC). My acceptance is based on the need to examine CheeseDream's behavior, there is no obvious case against those he complains of in this request. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 13:36, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
* Reject, at least until the request is re-worded so that I can tell who's accusing whom of what, and I am assured that the earlier steps in the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution process]] have failed. [[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt [[TINC|<s>of the Cabal</s>]]]] 05:57, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* Abstain for the time being; unclear as to exactly who is accusing who of what. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 21:08, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* Reject. I agree with Epopt. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 18:55, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)



===[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] and [[User:Darrien|Darrien]]===
It is bad enough that Wikipedia has overwhelming American bias, without it being enforced.

Darrien, as well as generally trying to Americanise the project as much as possible and being thoroughly obnoxious in all his dealings ("rv vandalism" in the edit summary is his favourite way of changing something he disagrees with), has specifically got on my nerves by reverting the seemingly uncontroversial page [[Apple pie]] three times to a POV version. I was going to have to reason with him on the talk page, but then in stepped Arminius, who agreed with Darrien's POV and abused his sysop powers to freeze it as Darrien's version. This is bigotry. All non-American Wikipedians need to combat this sort of thing.

The story about the edits is basically that the pie article was written from a US viewpoint. It mentioned how to make it, it included the expression "as American as apple pie", and it had a picture of an apple pie next to baseball gear on a Stars and Stripes. This is all OK in itself, but needs balancing. For example, I put the caption "Apple pie presented as All-American", because I think it's OK to present it like that as long as it is pointed out &mdash; it shouldn't be implied that it is the normal way of showing such a pie. I also changed the general implication that apple pie is American (it's European), and offered a possible explanation of what the "American as apple pie" expression would therefore mean. I was of course open to the explanation being balanced and refined. I am not open to it being reverted and the revert being protected.

This is the only channel I am aware of to have pages unprotected.
Ideally, those two would be blocked too.
[[User:Chameleon|''Chameleon'']] 11:57, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:I think you should be more conciliatory, actually. What mostly is required on the page is some segregation of apple pies (global), from the American view. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] 12:35, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

::I can't be conciliatory because the page is blocked. That's the problem, and that's what I'm trying to sort out here. [[User:Chameleon|''Chameleon'']] 12:43, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:::I have been referred to this dispute by Chameleon. This is clearly a prima facie misuse of sysop powers and is ''entirely unacceptable''. The article anterior to the intervention of Chameleon was woeful and systemically biased, and wholly devoid of the remotest vestige of NPOV in its alignment. I do not however think this is a case for arbitration, rather it is a case of submitting this page for clean up and flagging it as NPOV. We probably need a mechanism here, however, for issue resolution when an admin oversteps the mark. My golden rule regarding page protection is simple: protection only as an absolute and final last resort (except in the case of drive-by vandalism where a temporary protect may be necessary). All admins should in my opinion bear this firmly in mind. [[User:Sjc|Sjc]] 14:48, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

'''Request modification''' of the article. The problem is not bias, per se, but exceptionally poor structuring. The article should 1) present a proper history of the dish from Chaucer (and earlier if known) to the modern day; 2) present an consideration off the dish in different nations, including a discussion of its metaphorical power in modern America. (Look up Dutch apple dishes); 3) present a list of cultural and literary references.[[User:Icundell|Icundell]] 12:35, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)


[Re. attempting previous steps in the dispute resolution process]

But I can't. I started to discuss it on Arminius's talk page and he just reverted it. They cannot be reasoned with, so it is necessary for me to call in external help (especially since few people are watching that article). You are the external help. [[User:Chameleon|''Chameleon'']] 12:31, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

: I'd be inclined to suggest that the two parties agree to a factual correction to one statement, so that it reads as follows: ''"As American as apple pie" is a common saying <in the United States> due to this association.''

: The article as it stands is fine except for the incorrect implication that "As American as apple pie" is something that a non-American might say, or that apple pies, of all things, are generally regarded as having anything to do with America. Indeed the phrase most usually appears as "As American as mom and apple pie." I think we can all agree that the statement is even more puzzling in this form, unless interpreted in an ironic sense. Moms are not particularly American. Well mine isn't.

: Having said that, I think Charles Matthews has hit the nail on the head. How about moving all the American stuff into a section titled "Apple pie in American culture."

: I don't think Arminius should have reverted the last-but-one version, which provided a pretty good analysis of a puzzling saying that always bemuses non-Americans: '' "As American as apple pie" is a common saying, which could be seen as ironic, given that apple pie is not particularly American. It may be that "American" in this context does not mean "invented in America" or suchlike, but instead "apple pie" is used as a symbol of what is folksy and wholesome, and therefore "American". This could be compared to the use of the expression "that's not Christian", which should not be taken literally but instead means "that is cruel or immoral behaviour".'' Has he explained why he reverted that and then protected the page? (I'm not an arbitrator, for what it's worth) --[[User:Minority Report|Minority Report]] 13:01, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

: I concur with Icundell's suggestion the the draft [[Talk:Apple pie/draft]] be used as the new page.
:@ Minority Report. It's the spelling of the word(s) (mom/mommy)that's American, not that all mothers are American by default :) [[User:Martin TB|Martin TB]] 14:30, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

: I get a sense that there is some more history on other pages in this case. Looking at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Apple_pie&oldid=7612032 page on 27 Oct] before [[User:Chameleon|''Chameleon'']]'s first edit, I would have to agree that the article was pretty poor with remarkably strong American bias. Chameleon's edits look essentially correct (not sure I like the Christianity analogy) and [[User:Darrien|Darrien]]'s revert flagged as minor and labelled NPOV is clearly wrong. But my biggest problem is quite why [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] jumped in reverting and blocking the page - this looks like an abuse of administrator power. Chameleon may not have been too courteous, but note that Arminius' explanation on the [[Talk:Apple pie]] (which are also obviously wrong) only occur a couple of hours after blocking the page and after he had ignored Chameleon's complaint on his talk page.
:Quite why things escalated so quickly I don't know. Non of the parties seem to have taken any of the other normal steps in dispute resolution. I'm guessing there have been some tussels between these parties on other pages. Fortunately the [[apple pie]] page looks a lot better now. -- [[User:Solipsist|Solipsist]] 15:36, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:: I agree that it did seem to escalate rather quickly. To my knowledge I have never encountered any of the other participants, however, except [[User:Theresa knott|''Theresa Knott'']]. [[User:Chameleon|''Chameleon'']] asked me to put my opinion on this page, presumably because I have quite often internationalized pages by insertion of phrases like "in the USA" in entries where a writer has written from an American viewpoint, and has apparently either assumed that his statement applies globally or was not aware that the English language edition is likely to have a predominantly non-American readership.

:: I think [[User:Chameleon|''Chameleon'']] became unnecessarily abusive, but [[User:Arminius|''Arminius'']] could have handled the dispute more fairly prior to that. --[[User:Minority Report|Minority Report]] 18:33, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

([[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] 21:24, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)) I was asked to comment, by C. But... I'm a bit late, because the page now looks fine now, due to other editors getting involved. Its a shame that it took a r-f-a to get the page interenationalised. Could it have been listed on cleanup instead?


==== Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (1/3/0/0) ====
* Reject. Please try dicussing this matter with the other parties on their talk pages and on the talk page of the article, if you are unable to work out an agreement between yourselves unaided, please request mediation. If mediation fails, this matter (or rather the problems which underlie this matter) may be referred to arbitration by the mediation committee. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 12:23, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
* Reject; attempt ealier steps first. However, a quick glance at the talk page reveals no comments at all from either side - nor, indeed, from the protecting sysop. Do better. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 12:45, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* Reject --[[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt]] 16:52, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
* Accept. Arminius's behavior not acceptable (it seems), grounds for arbitration committee action. [[User:The Cunctator|The Cunctator]] 00:03, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== Matters currently in Arbitration ==
: [[/Template]]

* [[/172]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with four votes and two abstentions on August 30, 2004 (delayed due to overlap with previously running cases). Evidence to [[/172/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Gene Poole vs. Samboy]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with four votes on September 11, 2004. Evidence to [[/Gene Poole vs. Samboy/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Reithy]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with four votes on October 22, 2004. Evidence to [[/Reithy/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Gzornenplatz, Kevin Baas, Shorne, VeryVerily]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with six votes and one recusal on October 22, 2004. Evidence to [[/Gzornenplatz, Kevin Baas, Shorne, VeryVerily/Evidence]], please.
* [[/User:66.20.28.21 and other accounts]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with four votes and one other comment on October 27, 2004. Evidence to [[/User:66.20.28.21 and other accounts/Evidence]], please.
* [[/VeryVerily]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with four votes and one recusal on October 31, 2004. Evidence to [[/VeryVerily/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Netoholic]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with three votes and two recusals on November 4, 2004. Evidence to [[/Netoholic/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Turrican and VeryVerily]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with four votes and one recusal on November 4, 2004. Evidence to [[/Turrican and VeryVerily/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Shorne and Fred Bauder]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with four votes and one recusal on November 6, 2004. Evidence to [[/Shorne and Fred Bauder/Evidence]], please.
* [[/IZAK]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with five votes on November 6, 2004. Evidence to [[/IZAK/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Ruy Lopez, Shorne, and VeryVerily]] - '''Merged''' with [[/Gzornenplatz, Kevin Baas, Shorne, VeryVerily]] Nov 6, 2004 with one recusal and five votes for merger. Evidence to [[/Gzornenplatz, Kevin Baas, Shorne, VeryVerily/Evidence]], please.
* [[/HistoryBuffEr]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with four votes on November 8, 2004. Evidence to [[/HistoryBuffEr/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Jayjg]] - '''Accepted and Merged''' with [[/HistoryBuffEr]] with four votes on November 9, 2004. Evidence to [[/HistoryBuffEr/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Arminius]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with four votes on November 22, 2004. Evidence to [[/Arminius/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Snowspinner vs. Lir]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with five votes on November 28, 2004. Evidence to [[/Snowspinner vs. Lir/Evidence]], please.
* [[/168.209.97.34]] - '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with five votes on December 2, 2004. Evidence to [[/168.209.97.34/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Alberuni]]. '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with five votes on December 6, 2004. Evidence to [[/Alberuni/Evidence]], please.
* [[/Chuck F]]. '''Accepted''' for Arbitration with four votes on December 7, 2004. Evidence to [[/Chuck F/Evidence]], please.

== Rejected requests ==
* John69 - '''Rejected''' - text archived at [[user talk:John69]]
* Avala vs various users - '''Rejected''' - try other forms of dispute resolution first, please. Discussion moved to [[User talk:Avala]]
* Matter of Hephaestos - '''Rejected''' - due to lack of community desire or allegations. Case referred by Jimbo Feb 19, 2004, rejected Feb 26, 2004. Discussion moved to [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Hephaestos]].
* Wheeler vs 172 - '''Rejected''' - please try mediation first. Discussion moved to [[user talk:WHEELER]]
* Cheng v. Anonymous and others - '''Rejected''' - refer to [[wikipedia:username]] for name change policy. For content dispute, try other forms of dispute resolution first, please. Discussion moved to [[User talk:Nathan w cheng]].
* WikiUser vs. unspecified others - '''Rejected''' due to lack of a specific request.
* Simonides vs. "everyone" - '''Rejected''' - referred to the Mediation Committee.
* Sam Spade vs. Danny - '''Withdrawn'''
* Sam Spade vs. AndyL - '''Withdrawn'''
* Raul654 vs Anthony DiPierro - '''Withdrawn''' after agreement of both parties (see [[Wikipedia:Requests for Arbitration/Standing orders/Anthony|standing order]]).
* RickK - '''Rejected''' - referred to the Mediation Committee.
* Mike Storm - '''Rejected''' - please try earlier steps in the dispute resolution process.
* Lir (IRC blocking claims) - '''Rejected''' due to either a lack of jurisdiction (the IRC channels are not official), or a failure to follow earlier steps.
* Sam Spade vs. 172 - '''Rejected''' - please try earlier steps in the dispute resolution process.
* User:JRR Trollkien 2 - Inconclusive deadlock: 3 votes to reject, none to accept. Archived at [[User talk:JRR Trollkien]]
* Tim Starling - '''Rejected'''.
* VeryVerily - '''Rejected''' - please try earlier steps in the dispute resolution process.
* Xed vs. Jimbo Wales - '''Rejected''' - lack of jurisidiction over Jimbo, private email, lack of initial litigant's involvment, and various other reasons.
* Emsworth vs. Xed - '''Rejected'''
* Gene Poole vs. Gzornenplatz - '''Rejected''' - please try earlier steps in the dispute resolution process.
* Mintguy - '''Rejected'''
* VeryVerily vs Gzornenplatz - '''Rejected'''
* Request to re-open [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] - '''Rejected''' - October 27, 2004, see discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Anthony DiPierro]]
* Chuck_F, 203.112.19.195 and 210.142.29.125 - '''Rejected''', consolidated with [[/Reithy]]
* [[User:RickK|RickK]] - '''Rejected'''
* [[User:Aranel|Aranel]] - '''Rejected'''
* [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Jayjg|Jayjg]] - '''Rejected''' by 6 arbitrators, 1 recusal, 10 Nov 2004.
* UninvitedCompany - '''Rejected''', our temporary injunction holds.



== Completed requests ==
*[[/Theresa knott vs. Mr-Natural-Health]] - '''Decided''' on 11th February 2004 that Mr-Natural-Health would be banned from editing for 30 days (i.e., until 12 Mar 2004). The vote was 6-2 in favor of banning, with 2 ''explicit'' and 1 ''de-facto'' abstention.
*[[/Plautus satire vs Raul654]] - '''Decided''' on 11th March 2004 that [[User:Plautus satire|Plautus satire]] is to be banned for one year, up to and including [[March 11]] [[2005]]. The vote was unanimous with 8 votes in favour and 1 ''de-facto'' abstention; a further vote in favour of extending the ban indefinitely was held but not met.
*[[/Wik]] - '''Decided''' on 15th March 2004 that Wik would have a three month probation during which he may be temp-banned in certain circumstances. There were six votes in favour, three opposed, and one ''de-facto'' abstention. Further decisions and minority opinions can be read at [[/Wik]].
*[[/Irismeister]] - '''Decided''' on 31st March 2004 that Irismeister would be banned from editing all pages for ten days, and banned from editing [[Iridology]] indefinitely. Decision can be found at [[/Irismeister/Decision]].
* [[/Anthony DiPierro]] - '''Decided''' on 25th April 2004 to instruct Anthony with regards to his VfD edits, and refer other issues to mediation. The vote was unanimous with 6 votes in favour and 4 ''de-facto'' abstentions. Note that the case was accepted solely to investigate use of VfD.
* [[/Paul Vogel]] - '''Decided''' on 10 May 2004 to ban Vogel for one year. Further discussion and proposals are available at [[/Paul Vogel/Proposals]].
* [[/Wik2]] - '''Decided''' at [[/Wik2/Decided]] on 21 May 2004.
* [[/Irismeister 2]] - '''Decided''' on 03 July 2004 to apply a personal attack parole. For discussion and voting on this matter see [[/Irismeister 2/Proposed decision]].
* [[/Mav v. 168]] - '''Closed''' on 03 July 2004 with an open verdict.
* [[/Cantus]] - '''Decided''' on 01 Aug 2004, apply a revert parole to Cantus and other remedies.
* [[/Lir]] - '''Decided''' on 23 Aug 2004, blocked for 15 days, revert parole applied, and other remedies.
* [[/Mr-Natural-Health]] - '''Decided''' on 26 Aug 2004. There was an earlier partial decision on 25 June.
* [[/User:Guanaco versus User:Lir]] - '''Decided''' on 30 Aug 2004.
* [[/Lyndon LaRouche]] (Herschelkrustofsky, Adam_Carr, John_Kenney, and AndyL) - '''Decided''' on 12 Sep 2004.
* [[/User:PolishPoliticians]] - '''Decided''' on 18 Sep 2004, personal attack parole applied to PolishPoliticians and all new accounts on affected pages.
* [[/ChrisO and Levzur]] '''Closed''' on 20 Sep 2004 with an open verdict; no ruling necessary, as Levzur has ceased contributing to Wikipedia.
* [[/K1]] - '''Closed''' on 28 Sep 2004 with an open verdict; no ruling necessary, as K1 has ceased contributing to Wikipedia.
* [[/Kenneth Alan]] - '''Decided''' October 1, 2004, [[User:Kenneth Alan]] banned for one year. Enforcement provisions may be added before case is formally closed.
* [[/JRR Trollkien]] - '''Closed''' October 2, 2004, with no findings of fact or decision. JRR Trollkien has long since left.
*[[/Orthogonal]] - '''Closed''' October 14, 2004, following his departure from Wikipedia. Subject to reactivation should he return.
*[[/RK]] - '''Decided''' October 14, 2004. RK is banned from Wikipedia for 4 months. Further, he is banned from all articles directly or indirectly related to Judaism for 1 year.
* [[/RickK vs. Guanaco]] (''ab initio'' "The Matter of Michael") - Jimbo unbanning Michael made the matter mostly moot. The only remedy was to award Guanaco for creative problem solving.
* [[/Jimmyvanthach]] - '''Decided''' on 12 November, 2004.
* [[/Rex071404]] - '''Decided''' on 12 November, 2004.
* [[/Lance6wins]] - '''Decided''' on 12 November, 2004.
* [[/Rex071404 2]] - '''Decided''' on 16 November, 2004.
* [[/Avala]] - '''Decided''' on 17 November, 2004.
* [[/Irismeister 3]] - '''Decided''' on 20 November, 2004.
* [[/Cantus vs. Guanaco]] - '''Decided on 24 November, 2004'''. Cantus is limited to one revert per article per day and prohibited from editing [[Siberia]] or [[Clitoris]]. Guanaco must re-apply for adminship.
* [[/Reithy]] '''Closed without action taken''' on 3 December, 2004, temporary injunction expires that date.

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Amendment request: Conduct in deletion-related editing

Initiated by Cunard at 05:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing#TenPoundHammer topic banned (1)


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Statement by Cunard

Previous discussions

This was previously discussed in an amendment request closed on 20 April 2024 and on Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests.

Background

Before the 2 August 2022 deletion topic ban, TenPoundHammer nominated numerous articles for proposed deletion and articles for deletion. He also redirected numerous articles in 2022. This link shows the last 500 redirects he did before the 2 August 2022 topic ban. If you search for the text "Tags: New redirect Reverted" on the page, there are 189 results. At least 189 of the redirects he did between April 2022 and July 2022 were reverted.

TenPoundHammer resumed the actions that led me to create Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1101#TenPoundHammer: prods and AfDs, which was closed as "This matter has been escalated to the arbitration committee, which has opened a full case at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing on this and other related matters" and is cited as "June 2022 ANI" in this finding of fact.

Evidence

I started a talk page discussion with TenPoundHammer on 2 March 2024 about TenPoundHammer's blanking and redirecting of Monkey-ed Movies (link), Skating's Next Star (link), Monkey Life (link), 2 Minute Drill (game show) (link), and Monsters We Met (link) for lacking sources. I was able to find sources for these articles so reverted the redirects and added the sources. I asked TenPoundHammer to stop blanking and redirecting articles as it was leading to notable topics no longer having articles.

TenPoundHammer continued to redirect articles on notable topics. Between 11 March 2024 and 16 March 2024, TenPoundHammer redirected 18 articles. Of those 18 articles, 14 were about television series (a topic I focus on): 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. After spending many hours searching for sources, I reverted all 14 redirects and added sources to all 14 articles. For several of the topics (such as Queer Eye for the Straight Girl and Dice: Undisputed), sources could be easily found with a Google search.

Between 20 March 2024 and 21 March 2024, TenPoundHammer redirected three book articles (another topic I focus on): 1, 2, and 3. I reverted the three redirects and added book reviews.

Between 20 March 2024 and 21 March 2024, TenPoundHammer redirected 33 articles. Almost all of those redirects are in the music topic area which I do not focus on. I am concerned about the large number of redirects of topics that could be notable.

On 12 April 2024, TenPoundHammer redirected the television show Las Vegas Garden of Love with the edit summary "unsourced since 2010, time to lose it". I found sources for the article and reverted the redirect. I found two of the sources (The New York Times and Variety) on the first page of a Google search for "Las Vegas Garden of Love ABC". TenPoundHammer previously prodded this same article in May 2022, and another editor contested that prodding ("contest PROD, nom nominated 200 articles in a single day so it's impossible a BEFORE was done for each").

Analysis

Wikipedia:Fait accompli is an applicable principle. Reviewing this volume of redirects consumes substantial editor time. The redirects are leading to numerous notable topics no longer having articles. The redirects prevent the topics from undergoing community review at AfD, which TenPoundHammer is topic banned from.

Blank-and-redirects get significantly less attention than prods and AfDs. Television-related prods and AfDs are listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Television and Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Article alerts. But blank-and-redirects are not listed anywhere.

It is unclear to me whether the existing topic ban includes proposing articles for deletion. I recommend that the topic ban be expanded to prohibit both proposing articles for deletion and blanking and redirecting pages since there is previous disruptive editing in both areas where he has prodded or redirected a large number of articles about notable topics. This remedy does something similar for a different editor in the same arbitration case.

Here are quotes from three arbitrators about the topic ban in the 2022 proposed decision regarding the redirects and and proposed deletion:

  1. "... This TBAN also fails to remedy the issues that appear to be evident with the use of redirects (see Artw's evidence for examples)." (link)

    "... Missing PROD was not intentional on my part but that also can be added." (link)

  2. "First choice, and my interpretation is that this should extend to PROD, given the evidence, even though it seems like a stretch to call most PRODs a discussion. ..." (link)
  3. "First choice, extend to PROD." (link)

Cunard (talk) 05:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by TenPoundHammer

Statement by Username

Statement by Star Mississippi

I am Involved here. TPH and I came up together on this project and occasionally ran into one another on country talk pages although it has been some time since we substantively interacted. I also have the utmost respect for Cunard's research at AfD in that they not only say "sources exist" but find and annotate them for participants to assess. This is especially helpful personally in east Asian language sourcing. That said, Cunard's case here is strong. TPH sees it as their duty to clean up the project, but I don't think their strong feelings are backed by our policies, nor is there a pressing need to remove this content. The project will not collapse and these are mostly not BLPs. If they are, someone else can handle it. I believe TPH's topic ban should be expanded to include BLAR which is a form of deletion. I have no strong feelings on PROD personally. Star Mississippi 01:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S Marshall

Suggest:

  • TPH may not redirect more than one article per day.
  • TPH may not PROD more than one article per day.
  • For the purposes of this restriction a "day" refreshes at midnight UTC.

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Nicoljaus

Blocked indefinitely, first year covered under AE. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Diff 1 Revision as of 14:20, 23 April 2024
  2. Diff 2 Latest revision as of 14:45, 23 April 2024


Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
  1. ARBPEE tban (2021)
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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

When requested to self revert, commented "Oh, I'm so sorry. I need to bring in this area a couple of friends to make reverts instead ne.".

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

Discussion concerning Nicoljaus

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Statement by Nicoljaus

Statement by BilledMammal

There’s a 1RR violation here that needs to be reverted, but there also appears to be a lot of recent edit warring by all parties in the article.

I’m also concerned by the removal of sources that were used as evidence of WP:SIGCOV in the recent AFD on the grounds of unreliability - either they are usable or they are not, you can’t have it both ways. BilledMammal (talk) 15:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Nicoljaus

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  • Based on their block log for CTOP violations, edit warring, and this gem I have blocked indefinitely, the first year as an AE action. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Anonimu

Topic ban modified to post-2000 Russia/Ukraine relations. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Appealing user
Anonimu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)Anonimu (talk) 17:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sanction being appealed
Broad topic ban from the subject of Eastern European topics, imposed at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive303#Anonimu, reconfirmed 2 days later at, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive304#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Anonimu, and logged at Wikipedia:Arbitration_enforcement_log/2022#Eastern_Europe
Administrator imposing the sanction
El_C (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Notification of that administrator
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Statement by Anonimu

More than 2 years have passed since the ban was enacted. I am fully aware that my behaviour then was far from encouraging civil and productive discussion of the content in a highly contentious topic (Russian-Ukrainian war), and I am sorry for that. My plan was to wait for the war to end before appealing the topic ban, unfortunately it is dragging on with seemingly no perspective of peace. Due to lack of sources/interest in other topic areas, as well as the broadness of the topic ban, in the past two years my editing was mostly restricted to fixing some issues and adding some content related to areas that could not possibly be considered as connected to Eastern Europe. I think that restricting the area of the topic ban would allow me to come back to more productive editing. Thus, if you consider that the topic ban cannot be completely overturned, restricting the topic ban to modern Russian-Ukrainian relations (say, after 2000) would still serve as a remedy to the original situation, while not preventing me from using the knowledge and sources I have in order to improve Wikipedia content related to other areas of Eastern Europe. Thank you. Anonimu (talk) 17:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • El_C: I was a bit confused about the procedure, considering the first failed appeal. I am impartial about which way to finalize this appeal procedure. As mentioned in my initial statement, I am fine with any result that allows me to contribute to articles regarding Eastern Europe not related to the current Russian-Ukrainian conflict. Anonimu (talk) 10:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by El_C

  • This appeal lists a previously failed appeal, but not the original enforcement action. El_C 17:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No objection on narrowing the scope on my part. El_C 19:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anonimu, since this a sanction originally imposed by me, I can just implement the change you proposed immediately, unless you'd rather go through the appeal process and let someone else close it (likely with the same outcome). So let me know what you prefer. El_C 23:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anonimu, since it's not a clear yes from you, I'll let the appeal run its course, and let someone else close it and enter the changes into the log. El_C 13:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by tgeorgescu

Anonimu can be an useful editor. I don't say this because I like his POV, but because he can act as a counterweight to Romanian nationalist POV-pushers. tgeorgescu (talk) 17:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (involved editor 1)

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Anonimu

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Result of the appeal by Anonimu

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  • I'm generally favorable to a loosening of sanctions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm going to give this another day to see if there is any further input and if there's no objection close this with an adjustment to a topic ban on post-2000 Russia/Ukraine relations, unless El_C feels like amending it now. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:18, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crampcomes

Crampcomes blocked for one week for edit warring/1RR violations, and topic banned for six months for misrepresenting sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:09, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Request concerning Crampcomes

User who is submitting this request for enforcement
AP 499D25 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 02:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Crampcomes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles#ARBPIA General Sanctions
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
  1. 23:25, 21 April 2024 (UTC) 1st revert within 24 hours
  2. 06:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC) 2nd revert within 24 hours
Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

(none)

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Talk page discussion has been attempted by the other involved editor (User:Mistamystery) here, but it has not been responded to.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

diff on User talk:Crampcomes

Discussion concerning Crampcomes

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Statement by Crampcomes

Bringing this case here is totally against Wikipedia:Assume good faith policy. I already explained myself here. It's been two days and I haven't edited the article in question since then. BTW, I was the one who created that article in the firstplace.[1] Nonetheless, I will repeat: The article, which I created recently, has recently been the target of multiple vandalisms [2][3], then user Mistamystery removed mass sourced content and linked articles through both IP and account [4] [5] and became the first person to violate the 1RR rule after the article was extended confirmed protected (it was extended confirmed protected very recently). Please note that I have no interest in keeping or removing the content and I was not the first editor to revert user Mistamystery' removal of the content in question[6]. (another very experienced editor first reverted him) I asked user Mistamystery to discuss on talkpage before making mass removals[7], but he refused[8]. He at some later time put a vague note on the talkpage without pinging or notifying me about it anywhere not even in edit summaries.Crampcomes (talk) 07:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry for replying late, very busy with work today. I created that article recently and it became the target of persistent IP vandalisms e.g.[9][10], all of which were reverted by other editors. Then IP removed this exact same chunk for which I am being accused of edit warring, but IP was reverted by an experienced editor who asked the IP to explain removal on talkpage[11]. I was not edit warring, I just repeated what that experienced editor said: to explain on talkpage, but the IP editor when editing through account flatly refused[12]. That statement had two linked articles Siege of Khan Yunis and Battle of Beit Hanoun, and both seemed to support what was stated. I concur it was my mistake for not actually checking the sources and just blindly believing in another experienced Wikipedia editor seemingly fighting vandalisms.
    [13] Crampcomes (talk) 20:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (@Selfstudier) It's highly likely. Crampcomes (talk) 20:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    BilledMammal really has no clue about what he's saying. I added this info with source:"According to CNN, the attack by Iran was "planned to minimize casualties while maximizing spectacle", and noted that Iranian drones and missiles went past Jordan and Iraq, both with US military bases, and all the air defenses before penetrating the airspace of Israel.[1]" And it's still in the article Crampcomes (talk) 20:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Selfstudier

@Crampcomes: Something confusing me a bit, are u saying that the IP in this diff is the (original) complainant (ie Mistamystery)? Selfstudier (talk) 13:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by BilledMammal

There was also an edit warring/1RR issue at 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel:

  1. 20:54, 14 April 2024
  2. 20:17, 14 April 2024
  3. 19:33, 14 April 2024
  4. 17:23, 14 April 2024
  5. 17:01, 14 April 2024

They sought to include the claim that Iranian missiles went past "all the air defences" of Israel's allies - a claim that doesn't appear aligned with the source, which says "Israel’s allies helped shoot down the bulk of these weapons". They also at one pointed added the claim that "According to CNN it was an Iranian operational success" (17:23); again, this doesn't appear aligned with the source. 13:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Crampcomes

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  • Did anyone give Crampcomes a chance to self-revert before filing this report? Also, Crampcomes, I'm less than impressed with your edit warring over clearly NPOV material that does not match the sourcing. Can you explain how the source you cited saying The government's decision to withdraw the maneuvering forces from Gaza and switch to ongoing defense proves that the IDF was able to bring Israel many achievements and victories in the military arena and undermine Hamas' capabilities.[14] turned into By April 2024, Hamas was able to expel Israel from southern Gaza? There is plain source misrepresentation going on here. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm thinking a one week block for the edit warring, and a 6 month topic ban for source misrepresentation/NPOV issues. If there is no other admin input in a day or so I'll implement that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I concur. This has also been reported at ANEW, and I was ready to block when I saw a thread had been opened up here (it didn’t needto be IMO, but it’s here now so we play it as it lays) Daniel Case (talk) 19:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Iran's attack seemed planned to minimize casualties while maximizing spectacle". CNN. 14 April 2024. Archived from the original on 14 April 2024. Retrieved 14 April 2024.

Christsos

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Request concerning Christsos

User who is submitting this request for enforcement
Pppery (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Christsos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Wikipedia:ARBPIA4 extended-confirmed restriction
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
  1. Created Faiq Al-Mabhouh
  2. Created Ibrahim Biari (deleted by me as G4)
  3. Created Draft:Eyal Shuminov

All of these are very obviously related to the conflict

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  • Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 19:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC) (see the system log linked to above).[reply]
Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

User talk:Christsos#Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion


Discussion concerning Christsos

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Statement by Christsos

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Result concerning Christsos

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  • Christsos, if you have anything to say, now would be the time. It looks like all of these happened after you were explicitly left a contentious topics notice informing you of the 30/500 restrictions, so can you please explain why you are clearly violating that? I'll give you a short while to explain, but otherwise I'm very much leaning toward a sanction. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm on the same page. They haven't edited in a couple days so there's no immediate need to step in. We can wait to see if there's a decent response. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Entropyandvodka

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Request concerning Entropyandvodka

User who is submitting this request for enforcement
BilledMammal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 19:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Entropyandvodka (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles#ARBPIA General Sanctions
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

WP:1RR violations and 1RR gaming at Israeli war crimes:

  1. 02:22, 21 April 2024 (said that Israel had committed genocide → found that Israel had committed genocide)
  2. 07:05, 21 April 2024 (said that Israel had committed genocide → finding reasonable grounds that Israel had committed genocide)
    Was requested to self revert at 07:51, 21 April 2024. Did so at 22:58, 21 April 2024, saying Self reverting per request, as that edit can be considered a revert. Will be putting that material back in later tonight for the same reasons.
  3. 06:18, 22 April 2024 (said that Israel had committed genocide → found Israel was committing genocide)

I don't know whether 06:18 is a second 1RR violation, but it is gaming of 1RR and seeing 1RR as an allowance, rather than a hard limit - reimplementing a reverted violation 23 hours after initially implementing it and seven hours after reverting it is not aligned with our expectations regarding self-reverting violations.

I requested they re-self-revert; they have refused to do so, and are now arguing that 07:05, 21 April 2024 was not a revert.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
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  • Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 5:10, 13 October 2023 (see the system log linked to above).
Additional comments by editor filing complaint

There's a few other recent 1RR violations (for example, 02:21, 9 April 2024 and 16:46, 8 April 2024), but no recent gaming as far as I can tell.

The issue with this one, though, is how blatant it is; they didn't wait 24 hours to revert back to their preferred version after self-reverting, they waited just seven - if we don't consider the time the between making the violating revert (07:05) and self-reverting the violation (22:58) it means they reverted back to their preferred version just twelve hours after initially reverting to their preferred version.

If this is permissible, then that means editors who wait 24 hours from their first revert to self revert would be permitted to revert back immediately after self reverting, making the restriction considerably less effective at preventing edit warring and disruption. 22:25, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

19:31, 28 April 2024

Discussion concerning Entropyandvodka

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Statement by Entropyandvodka

This is misleading. While edit 1 was a revert, edits 2 and 3 were not reverts, per the guidelines in WP:Reverting. The paragraph in all versions contains the proposition that Francesca Albanese said (or stated) that Israel had committed or was committing genocide, providing her exact quote. Edits 2 and 3 didn't change this. They added additional propositions (she submitted a report, the findings/conclusion of the report). The term 'found' here refers to the findings/conclusions contained in her submitted report, which was passingly referenced in the initial version before BilledMammal's later-reverted edit. BilledMammal's edit essentially just made the same explicit proposition twice in two consecutive sentences. Edits 2 and 3 fall into the classification of examples provided in WP:Reverting as 'A normal change, not a reversion' as they add additional propositions without removing any. Boiling down the propositions in the differences, we have:

Edit before BilledMammal edit: She found X. She said X

BilledMammal edit (before the reversion) She said X. She said X.

Edits 2 and 3 (not reversions) She submitted report X, which found/concluded X. She said X.

I'd point out briefly here that the initial version, before and after BilledMammal's reverted edit, did warrant revision, as it referred to the findings/conclusion of a report without explicitly mentioning the report. I now think BilledMammal was right to make that initial edit, and I was wrong to simply revert it, as that original form of the sentence with no additional information would go against MOS:SAID. Edit 1, the revert I did make of BilledMammal's edit, failed to address this issue, but the subsequent edits 2 and 3 addressed this, without information/proposition loss. Edit 3 was a slightly clearer version of edit 2.

After edit 2, in which I first added the additional material, BilledMammal accused me of violating 1RR. I self-reverted when requested to, in the spirit of collaboration, though didn't agree that adding that material constituted a revert, and ultimately added it later in edit 3. All the material is RS-backed, and provides informative and relevant context. If I'm correct that edits 2 and 3 don't constitute reversions, then there's no 1RR violation. If I believed edit 2 or edit 3 constituted a revert, I wouldn't have made either edit.

On my talk page, I attempted multiple times to engage with BilledMammal about the substance of the issue, sought feedback, asking how BilledMammal wanted to write it to add the additional material. BilledMammal repeatedly refused to engage much about the topic, showed no interest in seeking consensus, instead accusing me of a 1RR violation and demanding I self-revert to BilledMammal's version. BilledMammal then threatened arbitration if I didn't comply. I made a good faith attempt to show to BilledMammal why I believe edits 2 and 3 don't constitute reverts, and offered two more suggestions to reach an inclusive consensus. BilledMammal did not respond to these suggestions.

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Result concerning Entropyandvodka

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  • The self-revert remedied the 1RR violation, and their revert back to their preferred version after 24 hours wasn't great, but was not a 1RR violation. Is there a pattern of 1RR gaming, or just this single example? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Entropyandvodka, those were reverts. Just because you're not using undo, rollback, or a tool like twinkle doesn't mean that modifying the same piece with a slight rewording isn't reverting. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If this is just a single instance, I would be okay with a logged warning, including a reminder that 1RR is not an entitlement to do another revert at 24 hours and 1 minute from the first. Entropyandvodka, if someone objects to an edit you made, go to the article talk page (not a user talk page), find out why they objected, discuss it with anyone else who participates, and see, by suggesting stuff on talk, if you can address those concerns. If you come to an impasse, dispute resolution is available at that point. But yes, tweaking your edit a little bit and making it again still is reverting, if the edit is still substantially similar to the last one. We have to treat it that way; otherwise there would be no end of gaming with that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Petextrodon

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Request concerning Petextrodon

User who is submitting this request for enforcement
Cossde (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 13:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Petextrodon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Sri Lanka
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
  1. 26 April 2024 use of a primary source that has been established as a pro-rebel.
  2. 26 April 2024 use of a primary source
  3. 28 April 2024 use of single source the has WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS under WP:EXCEPTIONAL circumstances.
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  • Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above.
Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This page as seen weeks of WP:BATTLEGROUND and possible WP:NAT editing, with controversial content been added with single sources that are most cases primary sources that have clear conflict of intrests and even been labled "pro-rebal". Some other sources with WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS, that makes the content appear WP:OR. Request for more citations per WP:EXCEPTIONAL and WP:CHALLENGE have been refused. Hence I am requesting arbitration to settle this matter by establishing the quality, type and style of citations needed for this artcile.

Following attempts for dispute resolution have been tried:

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Petextrodon&diff=prev&oldid=1221697850

Discussion concerning Petextrodon

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Statement by Petextrodon

I don't think the issue is truly about the number of citations which is why user Cossde deleted even the content backed by two RS citations, Human Rights Watch and Routledge scholarly publication. More crucially, Cossde may be guilty of vandalism for repeatedly deleting sourced content [1][2], since no Wikipedia rule states that a content without more than one RS should be removed. Also, the user is well-aware that Wikipedia:WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation/Sources classified the UTHR as RS long ago and recently classified NESOHR as a "Qualified source" that can be cited with attribution. As for Frontline (magazine), that's a mainstream news magazine that any reasonable editor can see meets the criteria of RS. As for Uthayan newspaper, I had repeatedly explained to this user in the talk page that it was a registered and award-winning Sri Lankan newspaper yet they weren't satisfied by this explanation and refused to explain why they questioned its reliability.

Cossde has a long history of deleting reliably sourced content [1][2][3] that are critical of the Sri Lankan government and its armed forces. To me this looks like WP:nationalist editing, especially given the blatant double standards this user has shown regarding the use of sources on multiple occasions:

They did not address their blatant double standards despite my repeated requests to do so in the talk page. It would appear from this to any reasonable observer that Cossde is more bothered by the nature of the content than the reliability of the sources. I hope the admins review the reporter's own behavior so the vandalism issue can be sorted and I wouldn't have to open a separate enforcement request against this user. --- Petextrodon (talk) 15:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Robert McClenon, Just to clarify, why should I be punished for contributing to Wikipedia? What rules have I broken? I'm being hounded for my good faith contribution by this user for the past several weeks and not vice versa. But I agree with you on the interaction ban as I have no desire to engage in pointless disputes and edit war with this user. I'm very much capable of reaching amicable compromise with users I disagree with as I indeed have on several occasions with another Sri Lankan user, SinhalaLion. But unfortunately it has not been possible with this user. --- Petextrodon (talk) 21:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC) Moved to correct section. Please comment only in your own section; threaded discussion is not allowed at AE. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Statement by (Pharaoh of the Wizards

See no violation this is at best a content dispute which needs to be resolved elsewhere.Further there no CT alerts.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Petextrodon is dedicated contributor in the Sri Lanka area and see no reason for action.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Bookku (Uninvolved)

I don't have detail background but wondering whether really no scope for WP:DDE protocol? and any difficulties to go through WP:RfCs, or RfCs happened but did not mention in above difs? Bookku (talk) 16:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Robert McClenon (another Sri Lanka dispute, another forum)

I am asking the administrators at this noticeboard to do something, because there are too many disputes between User:Cossde and User:Petextrodon. I am ready to provide a list of these disputes again, which I already provided to ArbCom in support of identifying Sri Lanka as a contentious topic, and especially the Sri Lankan Civil War, but I know that the administrators here know how to look up the record as well as I do.

User:Petextrodon alleges that User:Cossde's removal of sourced content is vandalism. It is not vandalism, and an editor who has been editing Wikipedia long enough to know what is vandalism should also know what is not vandalism, and POV pushing is not vandalism, although it is often reported as vandalism. However, Petextrodon's complaint should be treated as a counter-complaint of disruptive editing and POV pushing by User:Cossde.

Something needs to be done to curb these disputes. The obvious, but probably wrong, answer is to impose an interaction ban, because these editors do not like each other. The problem is that that will provide a first-mover advantage, and so may actually encourage pre-emptive biased editing. So I recommend that the first step be to topic-ban both of these editors from Sri Lanka for thirty days to give one or another of the administrators time to review the record in detail and determine which editor is more at fault, and extend the topic-ban to one year, or determine that both editors are at fault, and topic-ban them both for one year. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:00, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Result concerning Petextrodon

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  • Hence I am requesting arbitration to settle this matter by establishing the quality, type and style of citations needed for this artcile. That isn't what arbitration enforcement is for. Have you opened an RFC on the sourcing disagreement? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]