Talk:Choi Kwang-jo

Yoga

Hi guys im going to be removing the information on yoga, it suggests that yoga is a traditional martial art, yoga is not and has never been a martial art, yoga is a system of relaxation and stretching exercises that promote a healthy body.Please feel free to add your comments below on the discussion page.--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 11:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think anybody would construe "Yoga" to mean a martial art. This article clearly says CKD incorporates "yoga-based stretching", it's obvious to most people that "yoga" is calisthenics combined with meditation. Also the kirwan CKD website says "Conventional martial arts methodology is more often based on mysticism" and implies that CKD is free of mysticism. These are the two main selling points of CKD yet they contradict each other - "CKD is free of mysticism, yet we practise yoga-based stretching". BMurray (talk) 12:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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CKD uses a yoga based stretch. What that means is that some of the stretches are based on yoga poses while using deep abdominal breathing. Therefore I think it is a fair comment to make and should be retained. If CKD claimed to use Yoga then it would need amending, but as it is saying its stretches are BASED on Yoga, then I personally think its fine.---- Dale Miller

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CKD stats that w traditional arts are more based on mysticism, however as you agree yoga is not a traditional martial art nor is there any mysticism yoga is what it is, and that is a strecthing based system with calisthenics and relaxation, CKD only promotes good health and uses modern science it a proven fact that yoga benefits the body, it a scientifc fact, do you agree with that! the problem with traditional martial art is that they can over a period of time be harmful to the body, when I was doing TKD all the jumping and locking made me have really bad knee problems. Has any one else found that with there training ?--90.210.142.60 (talk) 15:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I said yoga is a calisthenics incorporating meditation. Yoga is steeped in mysticism, meditation being a large part of that. Choi also meditates quite often during his tungeun breathing. BMurray (talk) 21:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Your quite right about the meditation, and yes CKD do use this is the tungeun, this is used to relax the body and get the mind reday for training, I think what choi means about the mysticism in traditional martial arts is based more on his scentific studies into CKD the artcile is abot Kwang Jo Choi the man not about the art, this article does not say any thing about yoga!!! mysticism and traditional martial arts, you only have to watch a kung fu moving!! to see where most people believe it will work, however real training in any art is very different for the street.--90.210.142.31 (talk) 06:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Proven to be effective martial system

Hi guys this is a pretty bold statment, however another editor is using the same RS in relation to the yoga ref, surley if we are using the RS for the yoga ref, and in that ref it mention proven to be the most effective martial art then that must be a RS. If not both should be removed, I agree with the later, both removed. Can not afvour one ref over another in the same RS. Please correct to prevent a editing war.--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 14:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

It's a primary source so i've restated both as assertions rather than facts. Most effective is a whole can of worms and unless someone wants to do a round robin based on UFC 1 rules there will never be a scientifically definitive answer.--Nate1481(^t/_c) 15:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

"the most effective martial art system for todays modern society" is in fact an open ended statement, are we right in assuming that it is refering to knock down brawling? competition with another individual in a UFC type based environment or is it refering to a "system" where martial arts may be considered to be pursuit of development of the individual both physical and mental incorporating personal development as well as self defence? applying to the perhaps older balance marttial art theory of ying & yang Mind & body in a "modern sence" I have read and heard many times over the years the following and I may not have it word for word but it goes like this... " martial arts without additional emphasis of character development is just punching and kicking and bloodying each other up" (if someone requires a referance Google it, it should not be hard to find), the referance for a modern society also infirs to me that we are not living in a society in the throws of civil unrest (as KJ Choi grew up in) and instead are in a civilized society. So the simplified idea of "effective" as only being based on the self defence aspect of martial arts is a narrow viewpoint on the purpose of martial arts as a whole. After all regardless of style it comes down to how much fight is in the dog as to how effective a PERSON can be (regardless of their style or how much noise they make :) The referance to Yoga says "based on" when I read it, it does not mean they 'do yoga' and it does not mean they follow yogas 'mystasism', but it is based on yoga, maybe that s just the physical side - visit a school and ask a ckd instructor :) lol. B.Murray 's statement on tungeun breathing read like an opinion so I did a quick google search on tungeun breathing (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=tungun+breathing&spell=1) it produced 2 pages plus about 6 to 7 commercial ads per page - 100% of the ads refer to breathing methods, 0% refer to meditation, the resulting search links produced where quite varied but I did not see any refering to meditation. --Bacmac (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC).