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Resemblance With Pink Floyd??

I really didn't understand the connection with Pink Floyd's Syncopated Pandemonium. Can someone please explain it to me?

"Syncopated" sounds similar to "systematic" and "chaos" means roughly the same thing as "pandemonium". Adamravenscroft 10:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References A link to roadrunner's webpage: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/story.aspx?newsitemID=14998

Picture

I'm removing the picture for the album. It is not official and far from worth being in this article. Steviedpeele 02:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is this one ok?--E tac 10:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

:) Steviedpeele 04:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why does do you guys insist on having a pseudo-cover in the box? Just be patient... Petergee1 15:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

:)--E tac 07:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i just put on the correct one - the previous one was a draft from the artist's website - the one i uploaded is from RoadRunner Records.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrjazzguitar (talk • contribs) 20:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Prophets of War?

Where did this come from exactly?

"The track listing has not been released yet, but there will be seven tracks: one will be titled "Prophets of War", another has the working title "Pumpkin King", and one of them will be a 25-minute Dream Theater epic. Mike Portnoy's AA saga is also to be continued on this album.[citation needed]

Fifty Dream Theater fans from the New York area were given the opportunity to perform on the new album in January 2007 through Portnoy's Internet forum, and have provided chants for at least one of the songs."

Well where did this entire chunk come from? My guess is probably the DT forums so if somone could put a link to the posts as a source it would help validate the info, otherwise it should be removed as it is just speculation.--E tac 03:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/mpblog/ 68.33.185.185 08:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Track lengths/cover art

Both have been confirmed here: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=69850 Flamingwuzzle23 22:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Album postpone

Is it true that Systematic Chaos is postponed to July 23? http://www.dprp.net/news/index.php?i=2007_121. Can somebody confirm this? --ΛэтєяиuS 18:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Porntoy? Haha. This combined with the fact that it was posted on April 1st leads me to think that it was a joke. Adamravenscroft 20:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Holy hell you're probably right! I haven't seen the post date... --ΛэтєяиuS 20:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look, thay have revealed it http://www.dprp.net/news/index.php?i=2007_121%20http://www.dprp.net/news/index.php?i=2007_121. APRIL FOOL!!!!!! --ΛэтєяиuS 20:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Leaked

The album has leaked. I have the torrent link available for a reference, but that may be illegal, so ask me if you want it. BrainRotMenacer 02:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I found a torrent containing the first seven tracks at torrentportal, but I don't believe they're from SC, since all 7 files are between 17,36 MB and 19,63 MB in size, in spite of the difference in their official lengths. I didn't download it (specially because I plan to buy it when it's released), so I ask anyone who doesn't mind (possibly) getting spoiled to confirm if there is any possibility that those files are from the official album. Hetcenus 01:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, they appear to be fake. They all sound like Dream Theater, but all the songs are more than 10 minutes long (no vocals either). BrainRotMenacer 02:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The tracks in question are the submissions from the Stream of Consciousness Fan contest mislabled to the Systematic Chaos tracklist. The album has not leaked. Kyrandia 16:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's right. See Stream of Consciousness (song), and look at the contest winners. There are 7 songs, all of them instrumental. --ΛэтєяиuS 09:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it was leaked, does that really count as notable news? It's obviously going to happen to any major release at some point before the album is released so I don't see why it should be stated on here. Offski 00:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it is a notable news. It's all about this album. We need to know if the album we're listening to is actally Systematic Chaos. Last time, I had listened to Superior's Younique for 6 months thinking that is Train of Thought. --ΛэтєяиuS 14:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A [joke]leak surfaced on 4chan's /mu/ - Music board. It is also a fake. But i do not know if it is notable. But here are what the tracks are or sound like:

In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 1 is a Dream Theater song or possibly a Liquid Tension Experiment tack. Forsaken is Will Smith's "Bel Air." Constant Motion is Linkin Park's "Crawling." The Dark Eternal Night is a Dragon Force song. Repentance is The Aqua Teen Hunger Force theme song. Prophets of War is "Survivalism" by Nine Inch Nails from their as of yet unreleased Year Zero album. The Ministry of Lost Souls is Linkin Park's "In the End."

Not something that would go on the page itself, but possibly notable here.--209.193.10.143 13:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relaese date November?

Why is the release date mentioned in this article November 2007, while all other sources, including the official website dreamtheater.net mention June 2007? 195.37.209.180 16:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No idea, but it was already changed back. Hetcenus 17:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

June 4th

Why does someone keep editing out the June 4th release date? Yes, it hasn't exactly been confirmed by the band, but it seems to be a persistent date around the internet and there are places like Play.com are listing it as June 4th. Rather than turning this into an edit war, can't there just be something like "the album is tentatively scheduled for June 4th"? Adamravenscroft 08:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nope its definitely June 5th, only I dunno how to edit the page to say that, but official press release says both CD and DVD will be released June 5th.

June 4th will be the UK date, as CDs are out on Mondays here and it will be June 5th in the US, so I'm guessing that date was right, but since Play was the primary source, it was the UK equivalent. Well, there's an official announcement now so it doesn't matter anyway. Adamravenscroft 16:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Writing Credits

I'm removing the writing credits for each song, as they are not sourced and have not been officially announced.

Constant Motion

I thought it was an instrumental, since no writing credit has been announced, but supposedly it's going to be a single, which makes that less likely. Has there been any word on this? What's commonly believed right now? Adamravenscroft 13:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the Presence of Leaking Pt. 2

http://rapidshare.com/files/27732899/Dream_Theater_-_Systematic_Chaos_2007_promo_1.mp3.html I don't want to hear it because I don't wanna spoil the surprise. But can anyone check if this is real or fake? People at Orkut.com say it's from "The Dark Eternal Night"...

It's a promo clip with excerpts from several/all Systematic Chaos songs. It's a working Mp3 file. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fluffy89 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

A version of "The Dark Eternal Night" with inferior quality has indeed leaked, but it's not the file mentioned above. The leaked file matches the DEN excerpts present in the promo video clip, but mixing is unusual and it may not be the final version. Fbergo 00:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up

Someone need to clean up this article and make sub sections instead of only having an introduction. Fluffy 16:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Violask81976 21:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant articles

Hi guys. It looks like there are two articles: the "Systematic Chaos" one (with a capital "C") and the "Systematic chaos" one. It may look like the "chaos" page redirects to "Chaos" at first (there's a "redirected from..." on the top of page, and the discussions page are the same), but the "chaos" one misses a link in the tracklist (the link to the "Repentance" article). I don't know how to fix this since I'm quite new in editing Wikipedia, so I just wanted to post this warning.

Writing "Systematic chaos" will redirect you to "Systematic Chaos", and the page you are redirected to will display the exact same things as the page you get when writing "Systematic Chaos", because they ARE the same. Please sign everything you write on talk-pages in the future. You can sign by writing ~ ~ ~ ~ (without the spaces). Fluffy 15:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Specific Song Articles

It seems that a bunch of articles are being made on individual songs, even on those not released. Should there really be an article on every DT song? I admit many have a lot of stuff behind them, but not all of them, and especially not those that haven't been released yet (because they are unknown) --Russoc4 21:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I definately say that there is no reason to have an article on some of them. The ones wit hthe chanting, sure. Constant Motion, sure. The ones that have leaked..not so much...the others? No. I love DT and would never want then to be put down, but seriously. The album isn't even out. Violask81976 02:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong time lenght.

When you press on the link to the page on the song Prophets of War, it says on the info to the right the wrong time lenght. That time length is actually the time length for the song The Dark Eternal Night. Can anyone fix that? Suppers Ready 16:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --ΛэтєяиuS 18:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 1 and Pt. 2

Could someone merge those two articles. After all, it's just the same song divided in two parts. (See Shine on You Crazy Diamond) 200.6.179.211 00:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not a bad idea. --ΛэтєяиuS 16:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

:For that matter, why does every song have a separate article? I can understand Constant Motion and perhaps Forsaken (if that turns out to be a second single), but not EVERY song, and especially not when we haven't even heard the album so we can say anything more than "(song) is the (number) track on Dream Theater's unreleased album, Systematic Chaos).", or something to that effect. Flamingwuzzle23 01:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC) ~~just saw this comment in the "specific song articles" section above, please disregard this. Flamingwuzzle23 01:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)~~ [reply]

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