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Bona Fide Satanist

Having watched the 2005 documentary Metal: A Headbanger's Journey where Gaahl is interviewed about the Norwegian Black Metal scene of the early 1990s and his opinions on what took place then, church burnings and so forth, the following transcipt leaves no doubt in my mind that to the extent that he can be believed to speak his true mind, Gaahl is most definitely a Satanist, and not merely using Satanic symbolism and imagery to attack Christianity:

The interview takes place in a dark, candlelit cellar-like bar. The lighting on his face is theatrically dramatic with deep shadows leaving his eyes in the dark

—What is the primary ideology or primary ideas that fuel Gorgoroth's music?

Long pause, with Gaahl apparently contemplating intensely the significance of the answer he is about to give. His entire posture is strongly portraying him as someone who takes his mission as serious as anyone could take any subject – he nervously strokes the stem of his wine glass, his stare is joyless and piercing.

—Satan. (Gaahl lifts up the glass, drinking the last of the fluid, retaining his piercing stare at the interviewer.)

—What does Satan embody or what does he represent?

—Freedom.

After a pause and from another camera angle.

—I think whether we like it or not, Black Metal in Norway is known for a string of events that happened in the early 1990s around a series of arsons. I'm interested to know your thoughts on the actions of those events, the motivations behind these events, whether you agree with them, whether you disagree.

—Church burnings and all these things are of course (brief pause) a thing that I support a hundred percent, and it should have been done much more, and will (emphasis on the word "will") be done much more in the future. We have to remove every trace from what Christianity, and, the semitic roots have to offer this world (tense muscles can be seen flickering in Gaahl's hollow cheek) ... Satanism is freedom for the individual to grow and to become the superman. Every man who is born to be king, becomes king. Every man who is born to be a slave, doesn't know Satan.

I find it hard to see an argument for questioning this man's literally being a Satanist (although there are several types of Satanists). I will make the relevant changes to the article if someone else doesn't beat me to it. __meco (talk) 06:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

He hasn't actually said that he is a Satanist, just that Satan represents things, and so as much as it does indeed sound like he is a Satanist, it'd be speculation or OR to say that is what he is. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 19:03, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe the requirements you propose are too stringent, that adopting them would be to subject ourselves to knitpicking. When someone exclaims that their ultimate leader and inspirator is Satan, that person is a Satanist. In mye view, this cannot be construed as original research by any lucid intellect. __meco (talk) 20:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I would normally agree with you, but am reluctant to under the grounds that he has stated that his philosophical views are Shamanistic in nature, not Satanic - unless he is a bit of both? ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 21:16, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I am going to study the 5-part documentary, which is newer than the one from which I quote. And of course, if Gaahl himself is less than unambiguous about his philosophical and religious views, he himself becomes less than a credible source to his own opinions (akin to modern-day politicians). __meco (talk) 22:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Nope, nothing there that would add light to this issue. __meco (talk) 22:58, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

But now having read up on the Imhotep interview from June 2006, I'm not so inclined to label him a Satanist. __meco (talk) 23:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, a very interesting interview - probably the best I've read with him. But yeah, the interview shows that he can't be called a Satanist. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 00:03, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Would any of you read up the definition of Satanism? LeVeyan Satanism at least? Satanist don't "believe" in Satan - they merely see him as a philosophy - which Ghaal obviously does, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.98.195 (talk) 21:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Personal life

Who gives a f*ck about Gaahl's beliefs. Write something about his personal life like what drugs he use is he married etc 201.23.32.2 (talk) 18:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

The people who read give a fuck, such as me. Secondly, if it was sourced, we would provide that information. Thirdly, he's not married, and has never had a relationship - when I find the link I first read this, I'll add it. ≈ The Haunted Angel 19:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

This is the link, it's at the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.59.137.1 (talk) 07:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't find that little tidbit to be necessary. Gaahl is not gay damn it.. Take that off of there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katrn05 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The article in no way states he's 'gay,' it merely mentions states he (allegedly) had 'strong feelings' for another man. Whether or not people want to automatically assume Gaahl is a homosexual based on that sentence is up to them. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  01:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of this, Gaahl's "fashion involvement" put as one of his primary activities was a little WP:POV, so I removed mention of this activity from the header (it is a bit too early to say that Gaahl is a "fashion Designer", don't you think), and put the associated text in his bio to make the article more neutral in this regard. I did not change the text though. Hervegirod (talk) 02:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Splitting Gaahlskagg section

This section was just added because there was notability issues to begin with, and to avoid AFD. Perhaps it should be better developed to establish notability clearly, with full citations first. Myspace isn't a very good source at it is. PHARMBOY (TALK) 11:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

We can wait for that. But the articles should become separated. It is unwanted to have Gaahl categorized both as an individual and as a musical group. __meco (talk) 11:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)