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== Re: contents of [[Template:USRadio3]] ==
'''Disclaimer:''' If you ask me something I will usually answer on this page, it makes the discussion much more readable to have it in one place. Please add new topics at the bottom. Any insults or obvious [[Internet troll|trolling]] attempts will get deleted without answer.


Would anybody be against the deletion of the lists as outlined in [[Template:USRadio3]]? With the completion of the lists by state, I question the usefulness of these alphabetical lists, other than from a trivia perspective. On the same hand, don't want to fully nominate yet until (a) I gauge the opinion of everyone else here and (b) to prevent some cascade that would cause other useful lists (like the state lists) to be subject to deletion. Thanks everyone! [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 06:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_1|Archive February till June 2003]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_2|Archive July till October 2003]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_3|Archive November 2003 till January 2004]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_4|Archive February till March 2004]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_5|Archive April till May 2004]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_6|Archive June till August 2004]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_7|Archive September till November 2004]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_8|Archive December 2004 till March 2005]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_9|Archive April 2005 till August 2005]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_10|Archive September 2005 till April 2006]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_11|Archive May 2006 till December 2006]]<br>
> [[User_talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive_12|Archive January 2007 till August 2007]]<br>
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:The national lists by call letters (and thus sortable by the other fields) are still useful for finding stations, especially if you don't know the specific state in question or only know most of the callsign. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 10:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
== Need your kindness, from Siam Commercial Bank ==


::I seriously have to question the likelihood that someone would be looking for an article on a station and not know what state it's licensed to (one extra list to check at most) or only know part of the callsign (let's say I know the last two letters are QI... doesn't really help). [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 03:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Dear Sir, I'm Junphen from Thailand. I'm working at Siam Commercial Bank and I've assigned to edit or add content of the Bank in wikipedia. I've add more content base on your orginal version. So, please....need your kindness, please don't revert my content since it will effect my job. Besides, the content that I've added was agreed by our management. However, we'll try to update the new version soon . Hope you understand my intention & situation. Million thanks in advance for your kindness.


:::Listen to AM radio at night and you'll hear plenty of stations you don't know which state they're coming from. [[User:Squidfryerchef|Squidfryerchef]] ([[User talk:Squidfryerchef|talk]]) 22:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Last but not least, glad to hear that you're a german who provided lots of useful content for Thailand, you're so nice. :-)


::::If such a station broadcasts its call sign while you're listening, you'll be able to look it up directly to find out what state it's in — and this kind of list won't help you if it doesn't. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 18:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Any questions or suggestion, please feel free to contact me any time at junphen.juntana@scb.co.th or
khunpen@yahoo.com


== US Callsigns in FCC database prepended with various letters? ==
<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Junphen|Junphen]] ([[User talk:Junphen|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Junphen|contribs]]) 15:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


What do these mean? Example [http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/call_hist.pl?Facility_id=27265&Callsign=WMYB WMYB]'s callsign change history has an entry for SWMYB, does this mean silent? Does 'D' mean deleted? Are there others?--[[User:Rtphokie|Rtphokie]] ([[User talk:Rtphokie|talk]]) 11:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
== question ==
:I'm pretty sure the "D" means deleted, as in the station doesn't exist anymore (as opposed to a call letter change, where then it would just show the call letters). I would guess the "S" means silent (I've never seen it in the database) but we are talking about a government agency so the obvious sometimes isn't the answer...[[User:mr mark taylor|MrMarkTaylor]] <sup>[[User talk:mr mark taylor|What's that?]]/[[Special:Contributions/mr mark taylor|What I Do]]/[[Special:Emailuser/mr mark taylor|Feed My Box]]</sup> 13:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Andy, How do I report Plagarism? Found some content on [[Hamstring]] that seems to be copy pasted of a copyrighted website.
::My first guess on "S" was "operator error", but checking the call_sign_history table, there are 43 such entries, not all of them with "W" callsigns. Suggest you write cdbsinfo at fcc.gov and ask what it means. [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] ([[User talk:121a0012|talk]]) 02:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
:::Yes, "D" does mean Delete. I think maybe "S" means "Swap". I am not sure though. [http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/call_hist.pl?Facility_id=25827&Callsign=WAYZ WAYZ] also had the "S" in their call sign history, when that happened, WAYZ swapped calls with WWMD. Call Sign WWMD went from 104.7 to 101.5, and WAYZ went from 101.5 to 104.7. So, it could mean "swap". I am not sure though. - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 03:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
[[User:Pravincar|shampoo]] ([[User talk:Pravincar|talk]]) 15:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
== help ==


== Translator infobox questions ==
Will you please revert the article [[Vince Vaughn]]? I couldn't do rvv because of my security reason. Thank you. [[User:Oda Mari|Oda Mari]] 17:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:Other editor helped me. Thanks anyway.[[User:Oda Mari|Oda Mari]] 17:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


Why is there a place to add the xlator class when they're ALL class D? Also, how come it used to go up to xlator 30 & now it only goes to 21? Does this mean they can also go to 99 or 999 (I'm thinking Calvary Chapel here)?
== Lamphun ==
[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 21:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hallo Andy. Du hast vorgestern in [[Lamphun Province]] dat GeoTag ergänzt. Kannst Du's bitte noch mal überprüfen? IMHO liegt es etwas zu weit in Kamphaeng Phet? ;-) --[[User:Hdamm|hdamm]] 13:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:If you are referring to [[Template:RadioTranslators]], it has never had more than 21 slots. If you are referring to [[Template:Infobox Radio station]], then there has never been any specialized shots for multiple stations. Either way, if you're referring to the Calvary Chapel network in general, neither is the appropriate template anyway... so I'm rather lost.
:Stimmt auffällig, hatte mich wohl vertippt - es hätte 18° Nord heissen müssen, nicht 15. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 13:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::I remember seeing the translator thing go to 30 so I'm wondering if it can go to 99 or 999 (the Calvary Chapel reference is because they have over 100 xlators).[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 01:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


== Thai provincial seals. ==
== need a reference ==


Hello, I'm not a part of this project, but the help desk suggested I ask here.
Thai governmental offices may own copyright to works they have commissioned, and there doesn't seem to be information regarding when these seals began usage. I've learned from a contributor on the commons that they appeared in the Royal Government Gazette on [[18 November]] [[2004]] [http://www.ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/DATA/PDF/2547/E/129/001.PDF], but given the quality of the scans compared to the first page of the announcement, it's probably more of a re-announcement. Still, unless we can determine the dates they were first used, they probably should be removed from the commons and uploaded at each individual Wikipedia instead. Your thoughts? [[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] <sup>([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]])</sup> 21:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


The article [[Janis Ian]] states that an Atlanta radio station burned down after playing her first record, "Society's Child". This is in her autobiography, but there are no details. Can someone confirm that an Atlanta radio station burned about 1966-67? And if so, was there any indication that it was burned for playing her song? Thank you, [[User:Bubba73|Bubba73]] [[User talk:Bubba73|(talk)]], 16:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
:Sadly I don't know exactly the copyright status of these seals either, I just think there should something similar to the rules for the German coat of arms (and there was a lot of discussion until this issue was finally solved). I would love to have more information on these seals, as well as the flags of the province, as well as the seals of the other entities - at least the Khet and the Thesaban have similar symbols, also many TAO, so probably also the Amphoe... But there is nearly nothing in english so far - so I wish someone would translate [[:th:ตราประจำจังหวัดของไทย]]. But if these seals are not possible on commons until we have a 100% waterproof status, moving them to each WP again for the time being would be the only way. Hopefully this will be done by a bot. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 19:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


:My Google-fu didn't find a name but this info was in the press before it was in the autobiography [http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-29540884_ITM?email=danbriggs@imftv.org&library=Elmhurst%20Public%20Library] so I'd give it some validity. Also, perhaps some lucky editor could visit Ms. Ian on her [http://www.janisian.com/tourinfo.html book tour] and just ask her. (Original research, I know, but know where to look would certainly make digging for reliable third-party sources a lot easier.) - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 01:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
::According to that page on the Thai Wikipedia, most provincial seals have been in use since 1941, during the Pibulsonggram era, and were designed by the Fine Arts Department, so they should be Public Domain. Some others aren't that old, though, so I've put a deletion request at Commons, see [[:Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Thai provincial seals]]. [[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] <sup>([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]])</sup> 07:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


:: Thanks, but that information may have come from her. I'm trying to get some specifics and verification (i.e. what station, when, and what did the fire marshall say about the cause). [[User:Bubba73|Bubba73]] [[User talk:Bubba73|(talk)]], 02:09, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
== Vandalism ==


== Want to create a new template & a new tag ==
You just reverted the page on Pokemon, I was trying to do the same, but I got confused, so decided to leave it to someone else, but then I got a mesage saying that I was a vandal, did you send the message, because I would like to say that I'm not one. If you didn't, thanks for reverting the page :-) [[User:Graham1991|Graham1991]] 20:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


I wanted to create one for Tokyo radio & a tag, like the HD radio one, for A.M. stereo stations including the A.M. stereo logo, which is in the public domain as far as I know. It was created by people on A.M. stereo e-mail lists.[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 01:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
:No, that was {{user|WikiPediaAid}}, and he already noticed his mistake and removed that message from your talk already. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 20:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd be a lot more comfortable if the copyright status of the image were clearer or the actual creator of the logo uploaded it to Commons themselves. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 01:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
::Understood. I'm going to ask over on the A.M. stereo e-mail lists if they remember who created it.[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 02:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I've asked & am awaiting an answer. Maybe better would be just a list a la the Eco-Friendly stations list & the list of clear-channel stations.[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 03:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for the antivandalism at the article [[Konstantin Tsiolkovsky]]. [[User:Commator|Commator]] 12:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:Is there a category for Tokyo radio stations? [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 02:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
::I think there's one for Asian media in general but nothing specific for Tokyo. I just made a template [[Template:Tokyo Radio]] but am going to check WRTH for additional data.[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 02:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
::I just checked & there's already a template for Tokyo T.V.[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 02:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


== KMBQ-FM ==
== Please warn vandals when reverting ==


Whomever wrote this wrote it as an ad for the radio station.[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 03:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I was on anti-vandalism patrol today and noticed you had reverted [[User Talk:74.94.175.190]] but not posted any warnings. It makes it much easier to track, and escalate warning levels in case a block is necessary, therefore helping Admins, if you posted one of the standard vandalism warnings like {{tl|Uw-vandalism2}}. Would you please? Thanks and happy wiking! [[User:Alexf|Alexf]]<small><sup>([[User talk:Alexf|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Alexf|Contribs]])</sup></small> 22:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:Looks like [[User:Emarsee]] handled it quite nicely. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 20:31, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


== Question ==
:I do like that normally, but when I reverted that one it was a quite active time for the vandals, and IIRC after I noticed the first vandalism from that IP I had to check some previous revisions as well, and also some new ones, soit might have slipped through to send a note to the talk page. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 07:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


Nobody's suggesting that we write up separate articles, don't worry, but I've noticed an increasing tendency for some people to document ''unsuccessful'' radio station applications on the applicant's corporate article and/or the relevant "Media in City" lists (see e.g. [[Media in Timmins#Denials of proposed radio stations]]). So I'd like to ask for input — do people see any real encyclopedic value to this (I don't, but it's happening often enough that there should be a discussion rather than a unilateral removal campaign), and should we or shouldn't we be doing it? [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 18:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
== I'm confused ==
:Maybe in an extreme case (repeated denials for some reason), but otherwise it's just cruft. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 18:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::To clarify, I agree that there are cases where the denial is notable in and of itself — [[Milestone Radio]], frex, is a case where the license denials are so inherently notable (explosive blow to the commercial viability of [[Canadian hip hop]], yadda yadda) that the company might potentially merit an article even if it ''hadn't'' finally hit paydirt — but I don't think Wikipedia should be in the business of caring that some local Joe or Jane Schmo who'll never have an article of their own anyway didn't get a license for a standalone CHR in a small city in 1987. Though colour me mystified as to why a denied application has a Recnet entry for its denied call sign. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 19:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


== Another one ==
You changed example.com to example.org [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AMediation_Cabal%2FCases%2F2007-09-11_Falkland_Islands%2FMediation&diff=158471916&oldid=158427416 here]. What exactly do you mean "keep example.com short". If you can, reply on my talk page. Thanks —— '''[[user:Eagle 101|<font color="navy">Eagle</font><font color="red">101]]'''</font><sup>[[user_talk:Eagle 101|Need help?]]</sup> 19:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


While we're on the subject of cruft, do we care about details such as these?
:on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=www.example.com this page] on can find all pages which contain a weblink to example.com. As this weblink is one of the things which can be added with the editing toolbar, just like the example.jpg or example.ogg, checking that list helps to find accidental or real editing experiments with the editing toolbar, or by wrongly adding a weblink. Thus it IMHO makes sense to avoid that link, and if really needing an example weblink use the example.org instead. Otherwise it will be difficult to find the pages which need to be checked for editing experiments. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 19:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
# what day of the week a given date fell on (e.g. writing "Sunday, August 24, 2008" instead of just "August 24, 2008"),
::Ok, that makes sense, I was more or less just curious ;) —— '''[[user:Eagle 101|<font color="navy">Eagle</font><font color="red">101]]'''</font><sup>[[user_talk:Eagle 101|Need help?]]</sup> 19:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
# the exact time of a given event (e.g. that a station officially hit the air at 8:37 a.m.),
# what particular song a station kicked off with?


- [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 19:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
== Royal Gazette Referenzen ==
Hallo. Eigentlich wollte ich ja gerade fragen: "Sag mal, woher hast Du denn eigentlich die ganzen URLs der Referenzen zur Royal Gazette her? Bist Du da zufällig drüber gestolpert?" Aber ich glaube, ich habe die Antwort schon oben auf [[User:Ahoerstemeier/Amphoe references]] gefunden? Find ich ja toll. Ich habe mich schon immer gefragt, woher die ganzen Geschichts-Informationen der Amphoe-Seiten stammen. Bin dabei, die Links auch in die deutschen Seiten einzubauen. Hast Du ne Ahnung, ob es dort etwas ähnliches wie <nowiki>{{cite journal|...}}</nowiki> gibt? --[[User:Hdamm|hdamm]] 13:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


:As long as it's used for a little color in a potentially dry article to enhance readability and as long as these are properly sourced, I can't see any harm in having this sort of detail in the article - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 20:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:Tja, da war mal wieder ein Troll der meinte bei einem Amphoe-Artikel den Stempel "Unreferenziert" draufzubappen, nur weil nicht explizit drinstand daß die wenigen nicht-trivialen Infos von amphoe.com aus übersetzt wurden. Aber da viel mir ein daß die Thais ja sehr Internet-freudig sind, und hab' mal gesucht ob es die Royal Gazette nicht vielleicht auch im Internet gibt - und Volltreffer. Auf [[User:Ahoerstemeier/Amphoe references]] sammle ich allerdings nur die Upgrades von King Amphoe nach Amphoe, die (King) Amphoe selbst werden jeweils einzeln eingerichtet, so daß es sich ich die Referenz dafür dann direkt nur in dem Amphoe-Artikel unterbringe. Und dabei habe ich auch schon so einige Ungenauigkeiten (es gibt drei Datums - das der Veröffentlichung, das wann es gültig wird, und das zu dem die Veröffentlichung eingereicht wurde, und IMHO ist das Gültigkeitsdatum das wichtigste) oder gar Fehler auf amphoe.com gefunden, und natürlich auch einige viele wo amphoe.com keine Geschichtsinfos rausrückt. Damit bin ich aber nun wohl wieder ein paar Monate beschäftigt... Übrigens - [[:de:Vorlage:Cite journal]] existiert - hättest Du ohne Nachdenken alles im <nowiki><ref>...</ref></nowiki> kopiert hättest Du nicht fragen brauchen. Aber wer rechnet schon damit daß die Vorlage genauso heißt wie in en: :-) [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 13:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


:I'd say the day of the week is useless, but sign-on time and first song (or last song, as the case may be) can be an interesting tidbit... if it can be sourced. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 20:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::Danke für den Hinweis mit der Vorlage, der scheint tatsächlich zu funktionieren. Allerdings wird der Titel in Kursiv-Schrift angezeigt. Zusammen mit den Winz-Buchstaben läßt sich Thai-Schrift für mich kaum entziffern. Bleibe ich also lieber bei meiner Methode, die Parameter der Vorlage einzeln anzugeben, wie ich es [[:de:Vibhavadi|hier]] z.B. bereits angefangen habe. --[[User:Hdamm|hdamm]] 15:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


==Max Labovitch==
== [[WAPL-FM]] ==
Thanks for your help on the Max Labovitch hockey player page
I did not know how to get the links correct
A question - I have some photos of this hockey player - they came directly from the gentleman Mr. Labovitch
They are his personal photos with no copyright stamps on them
These photos have been given over time by Mr. Labovitch and they have worked themselves on other websites
I tried to post one of the photos and it was rejected by the system as appearing on another website.
The photos are directly from Mr. Labovitch with his permission
How can these photos be posted ?
Would a letter directly from Mr. Labovitch be of help in any manner ?


I was in the process of correcting links to the [[WAPL]] disambiguation page, and I found that [[WAPL-FM]] has changed its call sign to simply WAPL effective 04/08/2008. I've changed the infobox to reflect the correct call sign, but there's still the matter of the article being named incorrectly now. As a relative newcomer to working with radio/television station articles, I wanted to ask for some opinions on the best course of action:
thank you <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Normanbubis|Normanbubis]] ([[User talk:Normanbubis|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Normanbubis|contribs]]) 22:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


# Move the [[WAPL-FM]] article to [[WAPL (FM)]], update links to the article accordingly, and update the disambiguation page
== [[User talk:216.20.110.217]] ==
# Since the only other article listed at the disambiguation page is for an airport with the ICAO code matching those initials, add a hatnote about the airport to the [[WAPL-FM]] page, and ask for a page move from [[WAPL-FM]] to [[WAPL]]
# Since [[WAPL (FM)]] already redirects to [[WAPL-FM]], do nothing


Thoughts? [[User:Mlaffs|Mlaffs]] ([[User talk:Mlaffs|talk]]) 15:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I've finished faffing, so if you want to add a tag now, you won't get an edit conflict. The school is lucky you beat me to it - I'd just about decided on 6 months, but I'm happy you applied a milder block. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 14:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Number 1. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 15:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


:Number 2 is the appropriate solution. If nothing else, Dravecky will see this and take care of it in due time. :) [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 17:40, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
== User talk:129.240.37.66 ==
Earlier today, you told me not to add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. I have not added any such links. On the contrary, I have DELETED one such link today.
--[[User:129.240.37.66|129.240.37.66]] 13:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC) (Geir Overskeid, Oslo, Norway.)


:Yes, number 2 is the more appropriate solution. I'll add it to today's pile of fixes. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 21:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
== How to revert ==
::There we go, all fixed now. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 22:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the vandalism on the Judo page (someone deleted the USA belt system section). I just undid vandalism by the same user who also deleted the Brazilian belt system section.) Sometimes I see multiple vandalism - how do you revert back to an earlier version? So far I have just been using "undo" and then I see more vandalism and end up doing multiple "undo"s and sometimes get stuck with a situation where it is no longer possible to "undo". Thanks. --[[User:David Broadfoot|David Broadfoot]] 09:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


== [[:Category:United States radio by format templates]] ==
== Please Block... ==


What's up with the proliferation of these templates lately - I fail to see the use of a template that lists every News/Talk radio station in a particular state. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 23:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Please Block [[Special:Contributions/71.36.150.133|71.36.150.133]] and for much longer than just a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:71.36.150.133 week] (indefinitely if possible). I am not very familiar with the wikipedia blocking protocol but I know he has been [[User_talk:71.36.150.133|warned]] several times and some of his recent vandalism went [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wilfred_Ben%C3%ADtez&diff=prev&oldid=160461111 unreverted]. Thank you! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:I can see how it could be useful for navigation among similarly formatted stations in a distinct geographical area. What I don't see is them being thoughtfully crafted (lots of pointers to disambiguation pages, some pointed at duplicate stations) nor any movement to keep them maintained. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 23:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed, the idea is a good one, but whoever is putting them together is forgetting to edit them (disambig pages, stations that aren't that format). [[User:MrMarkTaylor]] <sup>[[User talk:mr mark taylor|What's that?]]/[[Special:Contributions/mr mark taylor|What I Do]]/[[Special:Emailuser/mr mark taylor|Feed My Box]]</sup> 02:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I left a couple of notes on his talk page about the disambiguation problem when he first created the templates a couple of weeks ago - he said he'd go back and fix them, but I'm still running across disambiguation that's needed all over the place. I'm cleaning it up as I come across it - I think all the Ks should be done now, and I'm up to about WC on the Ws. I think he's using the information at ontheradio.net to put them together, which doesn't appear to be particularly up-to-date. [[User:Mlaffs|Mlaffs]] ([[User talk:Mlaffs|talk]]) 02:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
::::On each of the format templates for in Maryland, Virginia, and West Virginia I have corrected the linkage, added stations that were left out, and removed some that were no longer carrying that format. The person doing the templates is doing a big undertaking, but the disambig problem does need to be fixed. - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 02:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


== Australian article naming ==
:Increased to one month, hope this is not a shared IP and someone complains. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 16:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you! Though I highly doubt it's a shared IP. I went through the IP's entire history and pretty much all of it sine May was vandalism. I'm afraid 1 month may not be enough, as he has soon come back to vandalize after the blocking period was over. Oh well. I'll try to keep an eye on him if I don't forget. We shall see. Again, thanks for the block! I'm looking into installing [[WP:TW|Twinkle]] for its autoreporting tools and stuff. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


I have added Australian FM radio to the note in the article naming conventions as one of the places where the name of the station should typically be used instead of the callsign, unless the call sign is well-known. Australian radio stations don't have any regulatory requirement to identify their call signs on air, and generally on the FM band the call signs aren't used to identify the station, even within the industry (e.g. radio ratings). The use of the call sign is completely confusing to the reader who will most likely never have heard the call sign of the station. Twice now I have had to revert well-meaning page moves by people who don't realise that about Australian radio, so I believe it's beneficial to have it expressly spelled out as it is for Central and South American radio. - [[User:Mark|Mark]] 07:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
== Thanks for help and advice on the Nakhon Pa Mak pages ==


== jazzfm.com to Jazz FM ==
I just read your message, and I admit I don't have very much experience with Wikipedia, so I welcome all advice, suggestions and corrections. I'm not familiar with Wikipedia Commons, though. I will look into it right away. I'm actually a falang. I live in Arlington, Virginia and I'm from Jersey City, New Jersey. However, I have travelled to Nakhon Pa Mak about 6 times, spending a total of about 6 months living there on a farm. It was a wonderful experience. I learned to speak and read Thai while I was there, and I tried my hand at being a lunch lady in Sam Ruen, working on a rice farm in Ban Dongphayom, helped dig drainage ditches and taught a local cook some English. As far as your discussion of content, I agree and disagree a little. I think you're absolutely right, that the purpose of Wikipedia in general is to provide hard factual information. I'm hoping people like you will add more of that to my articles, because I really only have information about the cultural and linguistical matters related to these Thai villages. I hope other people eventually add historical data, anthropological data, more data about the wildlife, etc. On the other hand, I think that one main reason that a person might look at a wikipedia entry on a village in a far-away country is to learn as much as possible about the people and culture in that village. I think pictures have a way of giving people very quickly a taste of what the places are really like. If there's a better way to provide access to pictures, etc., from the article, then I guess that's the way to go. Is that how Wikipedia commons works? My e-mail is kborland@alum.mit.edu. Thanks, Kevin. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kborland|Kborland]] ([[User talk:Kborland|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kborland|contribs]]) 07:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


I am in need of some help and guidance on where to proceed when [[jazzfm.com]] is renamed as [[Jazz FM]] (which currently is a [[WP:DISAM|disambiguation]] page) on October 6 in regards to how the article should be named and/or moved to. If anyone can make suggestions, please do so [[Talk:Jazzfm.com|on the articles talk page]]. Your help is much apprechiated. Thank you. --[[User:Tghe-retford|<b>tghe</b>retford]] <small>([[User talk:Tghe-retford|talk]])</small> 22:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
== Kleine Bitte ==
:After examining the articles, I'd suggest renaming the [[jazzfm.com]] article to "Jazz FM (UK)" and updating the link from the much-needed disambiguation page. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 02:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


== Radio stations that change frequencies ==
Hallo Ahoerstemeier, ich hoffe du kannst dich noch an mich erinnern, oder? ;-) Kleine Bitte: Könntest du meine Benutzerdiskussionsseite halbsperren, da die Anfragen einerseits eh auf wikipedia-de gehören, andererseits ich dort von einer IP aus dem Innenministerium beschimpft werde, die ich in der deutschen WP für Vandalismus gesperrt habe. Viele Grüße, --[[User:S1|'''S''']]<sup>[[User talk:S1|[1]]]</sup> 09:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


You have a section on stations changing format, but what about frequencies?
Oder sperr halt [[Special:Contributions/195.126.85.141|diese IP]], ist ein statischer Neonazi. --[[User:S1|'''S''']]<sup>[[User talk:S1|[1]]]</sup> 20:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


In the [[WYFQ]] article there is a brief mention of when WSOC was on 1240 and WIST on 930, and then they swapped frequencies in the 1960s. Both the WYFQ article and the [[WHVN]] article discuss the histories of WSOC and WIST prior to the swap, though the WHVN article goes into more detail. Ironically, WHVN didn't even start out on 1240, so there is yet another frequency change to deal with for that station.
:Naja, sonderlich hochwertige Beitraege kamen von dieser IP wirklich nicht, aber um diese auf laengere Zeit zu sperren reicht das aber wohl nicht, bei regelmaessigem Vandalismus oder POV-Edits im Artikel-Namensraum wuerd mir das viel leichter fallen. Und selbst ob die zwei Male mit den kindischen Beleidigungen auf deiner Talk-Seite ausreichen fuer eine Halbsperrung der Seite - ich wuerd das lieber noch etwas abwarten bevor ich da was unternehme. Aber ich pack' mal deine Seite in meine Beobachtungsliste, dann ist der ganz schnell wieder revertiert falls er nochmal seine intellektuelle Ueberlegenheit zeigen will ;-) [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 20:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Danke für deine Mühe --[[User:S1|'''S''']]<sup>[[User talk:S1|[1]]]</sup> 08:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks again for your help ==

Thanks for putting the redirect in for the Tha Luang River. As you see, I've figured out how to add references now, but I'm still quite the novice. I've also figured out how to put in geographical coordinates and some other gadgets now too. Bear with me and I'll try to get all of my geographical stubs up to par with the rest of the Wikipedia as quickly as possible. I've already ordered additional materials from Thailand for sources (books, maps, park & temple brochures, etc.). If I am correct, the Tha Luang was the last of the missing Nan tributaries for Phitsanulok. I think there still might be a few sub-tributaries we're missing, but they are mostly confined to the national parks once you get into the mountains (i.e. not relevant to agriculture or industry in Phitsanulok). I'll work on them after I get to the parks and mountains. I'm not aware of any tributaries of the Yom that run through Phitsanulok but I'll be working on that in the days to come as well. Thanks again for your help. P.S. sorry about the park deletion. It appears you are correct. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kborland|Kborland]] ([[User talk:Kborland|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kborland|contribs]]) 10:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Wikipedia Commons ==

I'm converting the images to Wikipedia Commons as you suggested. I've also found an infobox that works pretty well for the muban, as not to abuse the amphoe box. Check out [[Ban Grong Greng]] and let me know if you think it's appropriate (and if it's an appropriate link to Wikipedia Commons). I also found a waterfall infobox template and updated all the waterfalls in Thailand (there are only 4 so far) and a river template. Filen dank (I speak some German but I have no clue when it comes to spelling, trying to say thanks much) for the suggestions and help. We'll have Thailand well documented on Wikipedia in no time, albiet one village/temple/river/waterfall at a time.[[User:Kborland|Kevin Borland, Esq.]] 22:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

==Chubs and Disambiguation==
Greetings. Recently, on Tue 16 Oct, I constructed a [[Chub (disambiguation)|disambiguation page]] for the various fish known as ''chubs''. After having done so, I began to contemplate whether that page and the current [[Chub]] page might be better named. I posted a discussion on the [[Talk:Chub|Chub]] page but it's not yet received any comment. I noticed from the article's revision history that you had made one or more contributions to the page. Consequently, I thought I might profit from your advice at [[Talk:Chub#Page title?|Talk:Chub#Page title]] if you have a moment or two to spare. Thanks. &mdash; [[User:Fluri|'''Dave''']] <small>([[User_Talk:Fluri|'''Talk''']] | [[Special:Contributions/Fluri|'''contribs''']])</small> 03:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

== Protection for [[User talk:Pak21]] ==

Hiya. As you just protected [[User:Pak21]], could I ask you to do the same to [[User talk:Pak21]] as it looks like the vandals are starting there as well. Thanks --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] 16:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
:It's been done. Thanks anyway --[[User:Pak21|Pak21]] 17:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

== [[Americium]] - missing Periodic Table picture ==

Hello. as I understand, you are the one who created the pictures of the elements headers, so... the element Americium lacks its Periodic Table picture. I don't know if it is due to some bug or other problem or if that picture exist at all. have you already created a picture for Americium and still have it or shall I create one based on the same design? --[[User:Yar2|Yar2]] 11:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

:Actually that periodic table image is existing, see [[:Image:Am-TableImage.png]], it's just the scaled down picture for the infobox which does not load. Apparently the image server has problems, and it will show up again sometime - I don't know if there is any magic thing to do to force the server to recreate that thumbnail. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 12:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

::Its very weird, since it is the only element that lacks the image. maybe someone ought to reboot\boot that server (where ever it is). --[[User:Yar2|Yar2]] 18:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Found it on the [[:mw:Manual:FAQ#How do I purge a cached page?|MediaWiki documentation]] - I had to open the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Am-TableImage.png&action=purge, which forces the server to recreate the thumbnails. Now it shows the thumbnail again... [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 21:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

::::I don't think I fully understand what you did, but it doesn't really matter because you've fixed the problem. Hurrah, greetings & salutations to you. --[[User:Yar2|Yar2]] 22:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== Helfen - Karte ==

Hallo. Hilf mir bitte. Lies bitte Link:
[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Maps#Map_request]]

Sehr wichtig. Danke. User:Szajci aus ungarische Wikipedia. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/91.82.33.74|91.82.33.74]] ([[User talk:91.82.33.74|talk]]) 19:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Übersetzungswunsch ==

Könntest du bitte [[User:Srbauer]] in die engl. Sprache übersetzen? Danke --[[User:Steschke|ST]] [[:de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Steschke|○]] 23:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my user page and for the countless other acts of anti-vandal edits. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3" color="#775ca8">[[User Talk:Rgoodermote|Rgoodermote]]</font>&nbsp; 18:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
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Same here, thanks! [[User talk:Bloodpack|<span style="color:#fff;background:#800">†B<span style="background:#a00">lo<span style="background:#c00">o<span style="background:#d00">d</span>p</span>ac</span>k†</span>]] 06:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

== vandalism question ==

if someone deletes their warnings on their talk page, am i suppose to keep reverting it, and is that in it self vandalism? [[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#f00">C</font><font color="#f60">t</font><font color="#ff0">j</font><font color="#090">f</font><font color="#00f">8</font><font color="#60c">3</font>''']] 17:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
: never mind, i got help, thanks though! [[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#f00">C</font><font color="#f60">t</font><font color="#ff0">j</font><font color="#090">f</font><font color="#00f">8</font><font color="#60c">3</font>''']] 18:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

==Classification of admins==
Hi Ahoerstemeier. Please consider adding your admin username to the growing list at [[User:Radiant!/Classification of admins|Classification of admins]]. Best! -- [[User:Jreferee|<font face="Kristen ITC" color="2A52BE">'''Jreferee '''</font>]][[User_talk:Jreferee|<font color="007BA7"> t</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Jreferee|<font color="007FFF">c</font>]] 22:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== [[Korphai]] ==

Please help with references for a classical Thai music-related article listed for deletion. [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Korphai]]. `'[[user:mikkalai|Míkka]][[user talk:mikkalai|>t]] 16:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

==Vandalism Templates==

I don't know if you've seen this page: [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace/Multi-level templates]]. If you haven't, I recommend you check it out. Adding these warnings is a useful way of starting off assuming good faith, and then working your way up to final warnings, and then notifying the administrators of persistant vandalism at [[Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism]]. [[User:StephenBuxton|StephenBuxton]] ([[User talk:StephenBuxton|talk]]) 17:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== my school! ==

actually i was being rather serious on what i posted about my teachers,and feel insulted that you think i am not serious about it! and! i did not add any famous alumni thanks very much. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.34.234.73|82.34.234.73]] ([[User talk:82.34.234.73|talk]]) 18:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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==Robotdreamzs==

Hey. It looks like this guy needs a ban. We've both caught him on a couple of offenses. [[User:Mastrchf91|<span style="color:lightblue;background:green;border-style: single">(mastrchf91)</span>]] 15:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:Blocked already... [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 15:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

==Thai constituencies==

Dear Ahoerstemeier, can you direct me to a map of the new electoral districts for Thailand? (I mean the individual-election districts, not the eight proportional districts). Alternatively, can you direct me to a list showing which amphoe within each changwat constitute each electoral district? [[User:Intelligent Mr Toad|Intelligent Mr Toad]] ([[User talk:Intelligent Mr Toad|talk]]) 04:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

OK I have now found the list, and I have used your excellent amphoe maps to locate which amphoe are in which constituencies, so thanks for your work on those maps. I have noted two apparent errors, at Ubon Ratchatani and - somewhere else I forget. [[User:Intelligent Mr Toad|Intelligent Mr Toad]] ([[User talk:Intelligent Mr Toad|talk]]) 05:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

The list of constutuencies broken down by amphoe is here:
http://www.ect.go.th/thai/mp50/mp50_19.pdf

The other error is at Chonburi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chonburi_Province

[[User:Intelligent Mr Toad|Intelligent Mr Toad]] ([[User talk:Intelligent Mr Toad|talk]]) 07:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

You could do one thing for me. In Nonthaburi, the amphoe Meuang Nonthaburi is divided between the two constituencies. Could you locate a map of the province showing the constituencies boundaries at the ECT website (ect.go.th)? The website is impossible for non-Thai-readers to navigate. The map is probably at the Nonthaburi provincial election commission, which links from the ECT website somewhere. Alternatively, if you have a map of the amphoe showing the tambon boundaries, could you tell me how the amphoe is divided between the two constituencies? [[User:Intelligent Mr Toad|Intelligent Mr Toad]] ([[User talk:Intelligent Mr Toad|talk]]) 09:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

There were four or five provinces in which amphoe were split between constituencies, but Nonthaburi is the only one I haven't been able to find a map for. Were you unable to find a map at ect.go.th? Possibly with the information you have given me I can find one. Thanks. [[User:Intelligent Mr Toad|Intelligent Mr Toad]] ([[User talk:Intelligent Mr Toad|talk]]) 07:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I have now located a map of Nonthaburi showing the amphoe divided into tambons:
http://nonthaburi.police.go.th/mapnon.html.
Thank you Nonthaburi Police. Using the information you provided, my understanding is that the two tambons in the north-west of the amphoe Meuang (the one labelled "10" and the one to the right of it, on the west bank of the river), are in Constituency 2, and the rest of the amphoe is in Constituency 1. If you can confirm this understanding, then I can proceed. [[User:Intelligent Mr Toad|Intelligent Mr Toad]] ([[User talk:Intelligent Mr Toad|talk]]) 10:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. And here we go:
http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/t/thailand/thailandmapindex2007.shtml
Many happy hours of cartography ahead. [[User:Intelligent Mr Toad|Intelligent Mr Toad]] ([[User talk:Intelligent Mr Toad|talk]]) 12:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== umm...hello? ==

why did you change what i did on MY user talk page changing it from .Com to .Org? i wasent sending anyone to a website i was showing an example of something if i wanted whoever to go to a website i would link it properly. ~ [[User:YukiLuvzbou|Yuki]] 09:35 Jan.02.08 (UTC)
==WikiProject Thailand==
Hi. I'm thinking about setting up a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Thailand]] for more specific coordination of Thai articles. As you've done a tremendous amount of work on Thailand would you be interested? [[User:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">'''Talk?'''</font></font color> ]]</sup> 13:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:Count me in. I haven't set it up myself due to the experiences with the two project on Thai provinces and districts, which did not attract much coordination - with just one or two Wikipedians active in those projects the coordination was done via direct talk instead. But maybe those projects were already too special, and a country-wide project would get more participants. At least we should get some more participation in the [[Portal:Thailand]], like suggestions for featured articles. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 17:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Its located here [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Southeast Asia/Thailand work group]]. Hopefully it will develop into a seperate group if it gains enough support. Also are you still interested in helping develop Cambodian districts and maps - as we have all these wonderful amphoe articles for Thailand and only one or two maps for Cambodian ones!! [[User:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">'''Talk?'''</font></font color> ]]</sup> 14:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I've begun working on the cambodian districts again. You don't have to contribute, but I would be deeply grateful if you could create the district maps. Only Bantay Meanchey has been done so far. I've also begun creating pages for the communes but it is the district maps I think are of prime importance [[User:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">'''Talk?'''</font></font color> ]]</sup> 18:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

:Creating these maps take quite some time, and I have the problem of finding reliable sources - as you can see at [[User talk:Paxse#Oddar Meanchey map]] I ran into problems trying to create the map for the second province, which is almost finished. And I am still quite busy with the Thai districts, as Thailand is my main topic of interest. Since I found an online source with all the official announcements on creation or modifications of the districts (and the other administrative entities) I can at least give the Amphoe articles a decent history section. They are still quite incomplete, but I really don't like stub articles which have nothing but the evident things. IMHO it's better to do quality then quantity... [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 20:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

==Why did you do that?==
Why did you redirect [[User:Carnildo/sandbox4]] to [[Wikipedia:Sandbox]]? --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 22:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

:I was cleaning up the pages using Example.jpg, so new pages containing that image due to editing experiments, accidental click on the toolbar button or vandalism can still be found. I thought that sandbox is just one of the many orphan unused sandboxes, because it did not contain anything which could not be done for a quick test on the "official" sandbox. You can of course continue to edit it, but it'd be nice not to use example.jpg (or any other things done by the editing toolbar). [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 22:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

::I use it for testing my bots, because I can't trust anything in the official sandbox to stick around long enough for me to run tests. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 02:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== Thank you ... ==

for clearing up the vandalism on my talk page. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 19:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

==User 204.14.14.179 ==

Have you blocked this user for vandalism, as it is not showing on their talk page? Previous ban was for a lot longer than one day. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 16:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, there was one for one month in November, but that of course expired now. I usually don't bother to add the block notification on the user talks, there's too much vandalism to fix to have time to notify the blocked vandals, they will notice it anyway. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 16:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

== WikiProject Germany Invitation ==

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Hello, Ahoerstemeier! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Germany and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be.
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany]] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Germany&action=watch finger on pulse]
* [[Wikipedia:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board]] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:German-speaking_Wikipedians%27_notice_board&action=watch finger on pulse]
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--[[User:Zeitgespenst|Zeitgespenst]] ([[User talk:Zeitgespenst|talk]]) 12:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

== Example.jpg cleanup ==

Hello, Ahoerstemeier. About your recent edits to [[User:Hersfold/Adopt]] - Please use a little more discretion when editing other people's user pages. I understand what you are trying to do by removing the links to those files, however in this case, they were placed there deliberately and for a reason. I use those pages to coordinate work with my [[WP:ADOPT|adoptees]], and anything I put on that page is there for demonstrative purposes. By changing those to something that doesn't exist or doesn't make sense with what I'm telling them ([[Image:Example.mp3]], for example), the link becomes confusing or misleading. I may not have contacted you, except that the lesson page you edited ([[User:Hersfold/Adopt/Wikimarkup]]) has a banner specifically asking anyone who wants to make a change to that page to contact me about it to avoid this sort of confusion. Now it has two, to avoid a recurrence of this. I noticed above that other people have contacted you for similar problems - I would suggest that in the future you talk to user about this on their talk pages rather than making the changes yourself. Thanks for your time, and happy editing as always. [[User:Hersfold|'''''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em>''''']] <sup>([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]])</sup> 17:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

:I always try not to break anything when I exchange those links, but there should be as few pages using the links added by the editing toolbar as possible. If there are more than let's say ten, it will get impossible to find the real editing experiments, so PLEASE exchange the example.ogg with a different file, or it will get impossible to find those editing experiments. There is really no need to use exactly that file, for example example.png works 100% the same as example.jpg, only that it makes the cleanup possible if every legitimate use of an example image uses the PNG instead of the JPG. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 18:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

== Amphoe Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya ==

Hi Andy. Over a year ago, you added a potentially useful tambon list to [[Amphoe Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya]], but you left it commented out. Did you intend to leave it that way, or did you just not get around to making it visible? I would like to see that list in the article so, if it's OK with you, I would like to make it visible. I could format it as a table if you like. --[[User:Heron|Heron]] ([[User talk:Heron|talk]]) 21:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

:It'd be a waste of time if you that manually. In the time since I added the commented table I have written a small program which get the population numbers from DOPA and put it into the table format like you can see for example in [[Amphoe Mueang Surat Thani]] - except the village numbers. I just haven't yet systematically added it to all the Amphoe articles where it is missing, or which have a table with only the names. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 22:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What you're doing sounds great. If you need any help, give me a shout. --[[User:Heron|Heron]] ([[User talk:Heron|talk]]) 16:49, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Space missions|Space missions]] WikiProject==
Hi, I noticed that you are a member of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Space missions|Space missions]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject|WikiProject]]. A couple of weeks ago, I proposed that the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Space missions|Space missions]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Space travellers|Space travellers]] projects, which both appear to be inactive be merged into the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Human Spaceflight|Human Spaceflight]] project. Whilst this is being done, the capitalisation of the Human spaceflight project's title would also be corrected (ie. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Human Spaceflight|Human Spaceflight]] → [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Human spaceflight|Human spaceflight]]). The projects are all doing the same/very similar things, and in my opinion, a single, larger, project would be more effective than three smaller, and somewhat inactive projects.. In light of very little response to messages on the project talk pages, I am now sending this message to all members of all three projects, inviting them to discuss the proposal [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Human_Spaceflight#Three_projects_doing_the_same_thing|'''on the Human Spaceflight project's talk page''']]. I would appreciate your opinion on this. Thanks. --<font color="#115566">'''GW_Simulations'''<sub>[[User:GW Simulations|<font color="#000000">User Page</font>]] | [[User talk:GW_Simulations|<font color="#000000">Talk</font>]]</sub></font> 21:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== Changwat Phra Nakhon Nuea, Klang and Tai? ==

Sorry I didn't bother to login in recent weeks (but still monitor the Thailand related changes from time to time) so I missed your message. For the Royal Gazette [http://www.ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/DATA/PDF/2459/A/117.PDF this] it mentioned splitting area of responsibility for the police department. This is not related to administration by Ministry of Interior. The changwat mentioned in [http://www.vcharkarn.com/vcafe/59273/3] is for education district, again unrelate to administration. The vcharkarn people there just quoted the history of Ministry of Education to show the old spelling of amphoe names, and had nothing to do with the amphoe and changwat discussion there. -- [[User:Lerdsuwa|Lerdsuwa]] ([[User talk:Lerdsuwa|talk]]) 10:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Images on Commons ==

Hello! Would you be so kind to [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ahoerstemeier#Category:Provincial_seals_of_Thailand check this problem on Commons]? Thank you! [[User:PatríciaR|PatríciaR]] <sup>[[User talk:PatríciaR|msg]]</sup> 15:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Elections in progress ==

Hello Ahoerstemeier, how are you? I'm Sarvaturi, I work on the Sicilian Wikipedia (scn.wikipedia, where I'm a bureaucrat and an administrator) and I work on the Sicilian Wiktionary (scn.wiktionary, where I'm a bureaucrat and an administrator and where you helped me to install the [http://scn.wiktionary.org/wiki/Utenti:Sarvaturi/Spambot Spambot]) and please I would need your help: on the Corsican wiktionary (where you contributed various times) there are some elections in progress to elect a second administrator (me), and please I would like you to vote (for or against):

http://co.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wikizziunariu:Amministratori

As information: The Italian administrator [http://co.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ale_Mister Ale Mister] who works in the Corsican wikipedia has voted "yes" for me. Other information: I have more than 112 edits in this little Corsican wiktionary.

Thanks in advance

Best regards

--[[User:Sarvaturi|Sarvaturi]] ([[User talk:Sarvaturi|talk]]) 23:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC) :-)

== Thank you ==

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. [[User:Lordjeff06|Lordjeff06]] ([[User talk:Lordjeff06|talk]]) 17:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== All seals deleted ==
I just noticed that all seals were deleted. Why o why is Wikipedia destroying itself? Do you still have copies of the seals? [[User:Waerth|Waerth]] ([[User talk:Waerth|talk]]) 11:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

:Seems like the copyright paranoia strikes again. I had been to busy to take care it before, but it seems it's not sure whether these seals are copyright-free as government symbols, or covered by the Thai copyright act because they are government works. That'd not only apply to the province seals, also the towns and TAO have similar symbols, so we really need a final word on how to treat these. I recall on the German wikipedia it was an open issue for more than a year how to treat the coat of arms of towns, and I really don't enjoy such legal mumble-jumble. Of course I still have them all on my harddisc, but this could also be a good time to create them as decent vectorized SVGs in better resolution, I tried but didn't yet finish to create a single such SVG. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 12:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

::Good to hear you still have the copies. Yes commons is an overly paranoid place trying to be the bravest in the class. Unfortunately. [[User:Waerth|Waerth]] ([[User talk:Waerth|talk]]) 06:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Sorry for jutting in, but I just happened to stumble across this discussion. Actually, it seems that those seals which were deleted were so because the PD tag they were tagged with was deprecated. All the seal images still on commons at the time were older than 50 years and public domain by law, though. Ironically, those which are under fair use are still here on Wikipedia. --[[User:Paul_012|Paul_012]] <sup>([[User talk:Paul_012|talk]])</sup> 19:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

==Thank you==
Thank you for your contributions in districts of Bangkok in vi.wiki. Could you help me correct copyedits in [[Phong Nha-Ke Bang]] (in de.wikipedia.org) ? Thank you. [[User:Genghiskhanviet|Genghiskhanviet]] ([[User talk:Genghiskhanviet|talk]]) 09:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

==Argentine locator map==
[[Image:Argentina provinces, blank.png|right|thumb|200px]]
Hi "Amphoe" "maestro". I see you created the map on the right which I believe is very useful. We'd like to use it for [[Template:Location map Argentina]] to see where the towns ar elocated in the provinces but unfortunately your map doesn't seem to work -it places most towns out in the sea. Could you try to find the pin points of your map and try to sort out the template so it works? This is important as it will affect several thousands articles eventually. Cheers [[User:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">'''$1,000,000?'''</font></font color> ]]</sup> 13:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

:Comparing it with the map currently used in the template, it seems the problem is that both maps use different [[Map projection|projections]]. IIRC I had it set to the good old [[Mercator projection|Mercator]], the one in the template looks like it has the plain mapping of x=longitude, y=latitude (don't know what is the name of this trivial projection). As Argentina is so long and goes into extreme south, the projection becomes an important issue. I don't know how much mathematics can be done with templates, maybe it is possible to convert the coordinates into Mercator within the template, so it is enough to put the latitude and longitude into the template. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 13:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

== Message on Commons ==

Hello! [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ahoerstemeier#Category:Provincial_seals_of_Thailand I left you a message on Commons]. Thanks, [[User:PatríciaR|PatríciaR]] <sup>[[User talk:PatríciaR|msg]]</sup> 17:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

I've noticed you've been quite a busy fellow reverting vandalism. I appreciate the work you've done. [[User:Peter Deer|Peter Deer]] ([[User talk:Peter Deer|talk]]) 17:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Vielen Dank ==

Hallo, nochmal vielen herzlichen Dank fuer die Arbeit und Muehe in den vandalierten km.Projekten! LG. --[[User:Spacebirdy|birdy]] [[User_talk:Spacebirdy|<sub>(:> )=|</sub>]] 15:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

==Speedy deletion of [[:User talk:Alopi]]==
Sorry about the automatic spam warning, I didn't realise Twinkle would do that. The spam was added by Alopi, replacing your warning. — [[User:Fireinacrowdedtheatre|<font color="FF3333" face="arial"><b>FIRE!</b></font>]][[User talk:Fireinacrowdedtheatre|<font color="000033" face="arial"><small><sup><i>in a crowded theatre...</i></sup></small></font>]] 21:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

:And now it has been replaced with the spam3 warning, though I doubt that account will ever get used again anyway. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 21:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== [[:de:Wikipedia:Aachen#6._Wikipedianer-Treffen_in_Aachen]] ==

Hallo. Da alles nun recht kurzfristig zu Stande kam, schreibe ich dich hier an. Würde mich freuen wenn du beim Treffen an kommendem Donnerstag (27.3) reinschaust. Gruß --[[User:Euku|Euku]] 10:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC) (ex Spongo)

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== Please warn ==

Please warn [[user: 70.234.166.41]] to stop vandalzing talk pages.[[User:Mooncrest|Mooncrest]] ([[User talk:Mooncrest|talk]]) 20:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== Thai WP Forum ==

Hello Andy, I just started a forum for Thai Wikipedia users at http://www.wikithaiforum.com/ Although it was all in Thai language, you're always welcome. Regards. --[[User:Manop|Manop - TH]] ([[User talk:Manop|talk]]) 22:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

:Note that if you want to chat please go to #wikipedia-th. Although there is only me and a few people online. --[[User:Passawuth|Passawuth]] ([[User talk:Passawuth|talk]]) 11:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Images listed for deletion ==
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==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity|WikiProject Christianity]]==
Hello {{PAGENAME}}!
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|- padding:15em;padding-top:5em;"
|style="font-size: 85%"|<big>'''You are cordially invited to participate in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity|WikiProject Christianity]]'''</big>
The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. '''WP''':'''X''' as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.
|[[Image:Christian_cross.svg|50px]]
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You are receiving this invitation because you are a member of one of the related Christianity Projects and I thought that you might be interested in this project also - [[User:Tinucherian|Tinucherian]] ([[User talk:Tinucherian|talk]]) 06:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

==New Project==
Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at [[User:Useight/Highly Active]], as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. [[User:Useight|Useight]] ([[User talk:Useight|talk]]) 06:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Interview ==
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== Ko Tao Page ==

Hi

May i ask why you call the official Koh Tao community website suspicious?
What I did on the [[WSFM]] article was, since there was quite a bit on WSFM after its move to 98.3, to move the early history from the [[WAZO]] article. WSFM was on 107.1 and then 107.5 before moving to 98.3. WAZO has a very short history, part of which was at 98.3 before the move to 107.5. It seems correct to keep the history with the call letters and format in these cases.
And may i ask why you insist to delete the link to this very informative charity website with an unbelievable consistence while you have a link running to KohTaoDoc, an organization which hasn't left many good feelings here on the island when it went down
TWO YEARS AGO!!!

The Koh Tao Community Website is updated on regularly bases, is growing by the day and is very much alive. Please read at least some of the content and you might want to add the link back in yourself. Me, and many readers would appreciate this very much.

Talking about content:

I would also like to ask for permission to edit this VERY OLD and UNREAL text about our beautiful and meanwhile DEVELOPED island.
Our roads are NOT 95% dirt roads! and the touristic development has reached the state of Samui and Phangan a long time ago.
We do NOT need 4 hours from Samui to Tao, since 2004, 1 and 1/2 will do just fine. Same goes from Chumphon, while i must say, that coming from Suratthani in 4 hours to Koh Tao... is not very realistic! That would be more like ten to twelve hours. (You should have a look at the KTc website: [http://kohtao-community.com/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=5 Ferry Boat Time Table])

Thank you for your time.

Kind regards
George (samiotis)
KTc Admin <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samiotis|Samiotis]] ([[User talk:Samiotis|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samiotis|contribs]]) 05:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I removed it because it looks to me just like the many websites containing mostly advertisements for hotels and other stuff on touristic areas. [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not|Wikipedia is not a web directory]], so only high quality websites with additional infos or official websites are legitimate to be added. However, you are of course free to correct mistakes or outdated information in the article, but be aware that the article is not intended to become a travel guide, that one would belong at e.g. [[Wikitravel]]. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 11:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== Michael H. Nelson ==
Halle Andy, ich hoffe, alles ist bestens... Schau mal bitte auf der deutschen [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/19._Mai_2008#Michael_H._Nelson Löschdiskussion] vorbei und sag deine Meinung. Nelson arbeitet ja über dein Thema subnationale Entitäten. Bis denne. --[[User:Media lib|media_lib]] ([[User talk:Media lib|talk]]) 15:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


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==Thai Wikipedia usurpation request==

As the section header suggests, what is the procedure for requesting an SUL usurp on the Thai wikipedia? I am currently trying to go through the accounts with the username Woody for SUL purposes. The [[:th:User:Woody]] has no edits since registration at "07:02, 11 April 2007." Is it possible to get it usurped? Thanks and regards. [[User:Woody|Woody]] ([[User talk:Woody|talk]]) 16:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:Any comments on this? Thanks, regards. [[User:Woody|Woody]] ([[User talk:Woody|talk]]) 17:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
::Oh sorry, this one slipped through. I don't know if and what rules the Thai wikipedia has made for these cases, as I don't speak much of the language yet. You best ask at the [[:th:WP:Embassy|Embassy]], there you'll find someone speaking English and having more knowledge on the local rules to assist you. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 21:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Perfect, thanks. [[User:Woody|Woody]] ([[User talk:Woody|talk]]) 19:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

== Thai provinceal seals ==

Hi. I filed an undeletion request on Commons for the seals, but still need source info for the images. Could you please help by providing the info [[:commons:Commons:Undeletion requests#Thai provincial seals|here]]? --[[User:Paul_012|Paul_012]] <sup>([[User talk:Paul_012|talk]])</sup> 14:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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== [[:de:Wikipedia:Aachen#7._Wikipedianer-Treffen_in_Aachen]] ==

Hallo. Wir planen in Aachen ein Treffen. Vier Leute sind wir schon - nach nicht einmal 24h. Schau da mal rein. Gruß --[[User:Euku|Euku]] 08:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== Removal of Thai, again ==

See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prasat_Preah_Vihear&diff=next&oldid=224693874]. [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] ([[User talk:Badagnani|talk]]) 03:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== Re: ==
Nothing, I think it is not needed to add thai script into [[Preah Vihear Temple]]. If needed, Why? If add thai scripts, why you don't add other languages scripts? --[[User:Kiensvay|Kiensvay]] ([[User talk:Kiensvay|talk]]) 11:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:I think it is not reasonable that Thai script is needed because Thailand claims ownership. Thai spelling doesn't make me hurt , but I think it is really not necessary on [[Preah Vihear Temple]]. (It is my opinion). Thanks. --[[User:Kiensvay|Kiensvay]] ([[User talk:Kiensvay|talk]]) 09:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

==See==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Preah_Vihear_Temple&curid=2367753&diff=224966517&oldid=224964249] [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] ([[User talk:Badagnani|talk]]) 06:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


It gets more confusing for situations like [[WSYN]]. That station essentially traded frequencies with WYAK, but it was like a whole new station started where WSYN was--[[WLFF]]. Still, WLFF and WYAK both had country formats.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee</font>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 15:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
==Archive==
:It's very unlikely that two stations would swap frequencies and neither of them not maintain some semblance of their former selves . Whichever station is undergoing the bigger change should probably be the one to get the "homeless" history. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 00:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
May I ask why you edited my talk archive? [[User:Killervogel5|<span style="color:black">'''KV5'''</span>]] • [[User_talk:Killervogel5|<span style="color:blue">Squawk box</span>]] • [[WP:PHILLIES|<span style="color:red">Fight on!</span>]] 21:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


== Underpopulated radio station categories ==
:I only made a link to <nowiki>[[Insert text]]</nowiki> inactive, so the [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Insert_text]] stays short and can be used to find and clean up editing experiments. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]])


The following radio station categories are tagged with the {{tl|popcat}} template as underpopulated:
== Thanks ==
*[[:Category:Radio stations in Brazil]]
*[[:Category:Radio stations in Colombia]]
*[[:Category:Radio stations in Croatia]]
*[[:Category:Radio stations in Estonia]]
*<s>[[:Category:Radio stations in Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine]]</s>
*[[:Category:Radio stations in Iraq]]
*[[:Category:Radio stations in Jalisco]]
*<s>[[:Category:Radio stations in Lanaudière]]</s>
*[[:Category:Radio stations in Latvia]]
*<s>[[:Category:Radio stations in Minneapolis-St. Paul]]</s>
*<s>[[:Category:Radio stations in Nord-du-Québec]]</s>
*[[:Category:Radio stations in Slovakia]]
*[[:Category:Radio stations in Tuvalu]]
*[[:Category:Radio stations in Zimbabwe]]
*<s>'''[[:Category:Radio stations in the Cayman Islands]]'''</s>
Any effort that could be made to resolve these tags would be greatly appreciated. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 01:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:One done. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 01:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:I've taken it off the Canadian and Cayman categories. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 02:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::Why? Those categories have only 2 to 6 entries each. By any measure, they're underpopulated. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 03:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Not being overly versed in those areas... if they're as full as possible (i.e. all stations in those regions are included), it's not a matter of their being underpopulated... but existing unnecessarily. Not saying that's the case, though. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 04:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::::They're ''not'' all as full as ''possible'', unfortunately. (Only one radio station in Brazil?) For example, what I was ''hoping'' would happen would for somebody to take an underpopulated category like [[:Category:Radio stations in the Cayman Islands]] and create well-formed and referenced starter articles for the dozen "missing" radio stations plus add a shiny new [[Template:Cayman Islands Radio|navigation template]] to actually fill up the category. (While I was in there, I also updated and cleaned up the few existing articles then added logos, where available.) Now a whole (small) country with a booming radio industry is properly represented in Wikipedia. That's what I was hoping for when I posted the original request. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 19:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
::::They're not all as full as possible (not even the ones I removed it from), but policy around the popcat template is that it's not supposed to be used to denote "not all of the potential articles for this category exist yet" — it's only supposed to be used to convey "most or all of the relevant the articles are already on WP but just haven't been refiled here yet". The issue with the Quebec subcategories is that because the parent category has to be subcategorized by language, some stations simply get ''isolated'' from the main category if the language categories don't coexist with a comprehensive regional breakdown. So it's one of those sets that needs to exist comprehensively even if we end up with one or two categories that would ordinarily be deemed too small.
::::The Canadian radio contingent (which is rather small, unfortunately) are doing our best to fill up the Canadian radio categories, but small-town stations in Quebec tend to be harder to find good references for — Nord-du-Québec, in particular, is ''really'' problematic; there's a whole range of stations up there (anything on [[List of radio stations in Quebec]] whose owner is listed as "Club Social du Nord-Est") whose mere existence is the ''only'' detail about them that can be properly verified in the usual sources, and thus we can't write anything about them until we can figure out what kind of programming they actually air. In truth, they're mostly community-owned rebroadcasters of commercial stations from the bigger cities in southern Quebec, but with only a few exceptions to date it's particularly difficult to find out ''which'' stations. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 19:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


== Coast to Coast AM affiliates category. ==
Would just like to pop by and let you know of my gratitude for the revert you made to my userpage earlier today. Cheers! <b><font color="FF00FF">[[User:MattieTK|Mattie]]</font><sup><font color="9900CC">[[User talk:MattieTK|TK]]</font></sup></b> 22:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi everyone.
== Image:Aachen_Drehturm_Belvedere_1.jpg ==
I have taken on a kind of ambitious category creation, and created "Category:Coast to Coast AM affiliates".
Siehe [http://www.nrw-live.de/933-wasserturm-belvedere-aachen.html] und [[de:Wikipedia:Weiternutzung/M%C3%A4ngel#www.nrw-live.de]] -- [[Special:Contributions/85.176.212.164|85.176.212.164]] ([[User talk:85.176.212.164|talk]]) 10:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC) [[de:Benutzer:Martina Nolte]]
All of the affiliate stations of the show could go under this category.
More information on the stations is available on the category's page.
I would appreciate any help on adding stations to this category. I have already done most of the west and parts of the Midwest USA.
To me, this category is extremely relevant because it helps those of us who are into [[DXing]] help find C2C stations since that's a lot of what we hear at night on AM.


Any thoughts, suggestions? [[User:Milonica|Milonica]] ([[User talk:Milonica|talk]]) 03:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
==Amphoe=kommuner?==
:While I see how this could be a good idea (and it is) it would open the door for all kinds of categories like "Category:Rush Limbaugh Show affiliates" or "Category:AT40 affiliates". I like the idea though, but I am just wondering what precendent would be set by creating it. - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 03:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Danke, ich hab'es korrigiert, bei beide thaiische begriffe miteinander zu benutzen - "amphoe/thesaban", und in der texten klargemacht dass diese gebiete nicht ganz dasselbe sind, wie unsere Norwegische "kommuner". Habe ich es gerecht verstanden das die grenzen der Amphoe und der Thesaban die selben sind? Grüssen, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bjoertvedt Bjoertvedt]. 3.August, 23:38 CET
::As I said, it just organizes the data more, and I guess a bit selfishly helps me with my DXing. I see your point though. Any more thoughts? I spent a few hours on this project and I don't really want to abandon it as it would require going back and deleting all of the categories off of the stations I did (which at last count was 105 pages). That is, unless there is a bot that automatically cleans up orphaned categories?[[User:Milonica|Milonica]] ([[User talk:Milonica|talk]]) 04:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I dug up [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_November_22#Category:Affiliates_of_The_Bob_and_Tom_Show this] from the archives, about radio show categories, but this was from 2 years ago. I like the idea of radio shows having their own category of some sort, but some shows (Coast to Coast included) have different formats/versions (Coast to Coast has a weeknight version, weekend and a Saturday night "Somewhere In Time" Art Bell Best of). Not all stations carry all versions of a show, but I could be splitting hairs at this point. [[User:MrMarkTaylor]] <sup>[[User talk:mr mark taylor|What's that?]]/[[Special:Contributions/mr mark taylor|What I Do]]/[[Special:Emailuser/mr mark taylor|Feed My Box]]</sup> 04:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:For what it's worth, CFD policy generally goes against ''categories'' of this type as [[WP:OCAT]], although ''lists'' are very much permitted. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 20:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


== Talk Page Archives ==
== WDXE ==


Boy, y'all don't mess around, do you? Thanks for the save! How the heck do you get a stub pulled together and up that quickly?
I am not sure I understand why you are making changes to user pages and talk archives. Those should not be edited without very good reason which was not cited. <font color="#3950A5" size="1">|►</font> [[User:Urbanrenewal|<font color="#000070"><b>ϋrban</b></font><font color="#4D4D4D">яenewaℓ</font>]] • [[User talk:Urbanrenewal|<font size="0" color="#BFA137">TALK</font>]] <font color="#3950A5" size="1">◄|</font> 16:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


:I did it to clean up the list of pages linking to example.com and similar, to make them again usable to find editing experiments done with the editing toolbar. There is no need to keep that link, it was either added by accident anyway (just like those I want to find and clean up), or the link to example.org is absolutely equivalent as an example link. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 20:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
As I've been working through the disambiguations, I'd come across a bunch of pages like that one, so I figured they were a good and accepted approach, and I've created more as I've come across multi-station calls that were missing a dab page. Someone tried to speedy one last week, but an admin took the tag off pretty quickly. Am I wrong, or was this Afd actually as much out of left field as it seemed to me? [[User:Mlaffs|Mlaffs]] ([[User talk:Mlaffs|talk]]) 21:37, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Not a problem :) I keep templates of pages saved and just add the information from the FCC database, 100000watts.com, and Radio-Locator.com.....plus logos from the station's website (with proper F-URs, of course). Takes about 10 minutes, 15 if the servers are slow :) If you ever need help again, please don't hesitate to ask :) Take Care...<small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 22:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


== Market templates/Nielsen DMCA request on TVS ==
== My site has been listed as thailanddaddy ==


Just wanted to let you all know that you might want to plan to rework the radio station market templates to excise the Arbitron ranking data. It's not been a pretty night for the [[WP:TVS|TV stations project]], as [[A.C. Nielsen]] filed a DMCA request with WMF, got an OTRS ticket out and [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television_Stations#TV_region_templates_have_been_deleted|knocked out all 210 TV market templates]] in one fell swoop because they contained the Nielsen DMA data, which they say is their copyrighted property. I'm thinking Arbitron might go after your templates next. Hopefully I'm just doling out some unfounded [[Fear, uncertainty and doubt|FUD]] in your case, but this gives you some warning time. <font face="Myriad Web">'''[[User:Mrschimpf|<span style="color:maroon">Nate</span>]]''' <span style="color:dark blue">•</span> <small>''([[User_talk:Mrschimpf|<span style="color:dodgerblue">chatter</span>]])''</small></font> 09:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Dear Andy,
:I knew this was coming. Months ago I said we shouldn't be posting ratings info at all, and when it rains it pours. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 16:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
::I'd suggest a good first step would be to rename all the "(state) Arbitron market navigational boxes" categories as "(state) radio market navigational boxes". - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 18:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with Dravecky, let's just wipe Arbitron off the templates. Even though they aren't claiming ownership of anything yet, let's not give 'em a reason to. Also, since the way the TV "markets" were named (like Washington, D.C. DMA) would it be a good idea to slightly rename all the radio markets that are Arbitron rated? - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 18:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
::I also have some concerns about the "format" information, are we relying too heavily on ratings services? Perhaps we should establish our own set of formats which don't correspond exactly to Arbitron's or anyone else's. [[User:Squidfryerchef|Squidfryerchef]] ([[User talk:Squidfryerchef|talk]]) 18:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:::"Format" as in music, or "Format" as in ratings? Cause if it is music, Country is Country...Rock is Rock...Pop is Pop. - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 19:34, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes, stations self-identify by format and this is a common bit of data widely available from several sources. There's no need for us to change "Adult Contemporary" to anything else but scraping the Arbitron links off the templates and category names (but ''not'' the links in the articles) is looking more and more like a good idea. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 21:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::If everybody, not just Arbitron, calls a station "Adult Contemporary", then that's OK. But if we have too many cites where only Arbitron refers to the station as "Adult Contemporary", that's trouble, and keeping the data but removing the attribution might cause even more trouble. [[User:Squidfryerchef|Squidfryerchef]] ([[User talk:Squidfryerchef|talk]]) 22:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


::::The different guides to radio stations out there, such as Arbitron, WRTH, and 100000watts.com each have a set of standard formats they have for each of the radio stations in their databases. What one service calls "Pop" another might split into "Top 40" and "Adult Contemporary". If we're describing a station, and all three guides plus the station's own website plus secondary-source ariticles all use the word "rock", we should have no issues with "rock" in the template; it might not even need a citation because it's "general knowledge".
I am in processing in setting a travel guide relating to Thailand as sent in earlier messages.
I thought I'll link a few articles from wiki to my site.
I have read the spam linking policy on wiki. I agree with the policy as stated but you are incorrect in some way.
Wiki states you may link external links to articles as long as they are useful and related to the source.


::::But just like with Nielsen's grouping of TV market areas, these guides will have their own proprietary groupings of stations into classical, jazz, etc. If a guide uses unique terminology for formats, we have to be careful. We have to make sure we don't use it too heavily. If one guide's unique take on a station really "fits", we can cite it. Citing them for a few stations is fair use. But citing their entire database , piece-by-piece, is a copyvio. [[User:Squidfryerchef|Squidfryerchef]] ([[User talk:Squidfryerchef|talk]]) 22:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I think you should read the following links:


:::::Just saying what a station's format (what that station plays) isn't a copyvio or fair use. - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 22:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Links
::::::Just wanted to make sure on that one :) Because we list the format on the infoboxes of each station page. - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 22:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


== Generic templates ==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links


Some well-meaning editor has slapped a generic navigation-by-state template on all of the media, television, and radio station by state categories. This isn't much of a problem except it leaves the D.C. category as a redlink and he created [[:Category:Radio stations in Georgia]] as a redirect to the correct [[:Category:Radio stations in Georgia (U.S. state)]]. We either need to eliminate the redirect or constantly patrol this new, easy to type but terribly wrong category. I don't see the benefit to this generic by-state nav template so I'd be completely okay if it was removed, at least from the radio categories, or replaced with a properly built radio-oriented template. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 05:23, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I thought I'll link this user guide site as it would be good information source for wiki readers and visitors to Thailand.
:Nuke the templates from the cat pages. No added navigational value, more trouble than it's worth, and wasn't discussed before it was mass-added. The worst part being [[:Category:Radio stations in Georgia]] being redirected. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 06:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
As wiki administrators say along with the policy, linking to wiki articles is spamming.
::I've pulled it off the 49 states it was still on (fast work on Michigan, JPG-GR!) and marked the errant category redirect for speedy deletion. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 06:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I would like my site to be removed from the spam list as it has been listed.
:::Pretty much everything Michigan-related is on my watchlist - I rm'd it when I noticed it earlier. Was waiting to see what would occur first - discussion here or a re-add by the editor before proceeding. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 06:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I personally think that is unfair having it in the spam list when it is not.
::::This editor has been on a strong template creation and placement kick in all of the broadcast categories. None appear to have been discussed and none of them are particularly well crafted. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 06:51, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
In return if you think so, I'll close my wiki account and stay away from it wiki as whole.
:::::Update: If the category link above is still red then the completed speedy deletion is still holding. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 10:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Or, someone made a category for radio stations in [[Georgia (country)|Georgia]]. ;) [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 16:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::We already have [[:Category:Radio stations in Georgia (country)]] so that would be wrong, too. (Hmm, that category seems underpopulated but I know nothing about the region and do not speak the language. Dang.) - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 22:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there a way to create category disambiguations? If there is, it might be worth creating [[:Category:Radio stations in Georgia]] as a disambiguation page which directs people to the correct categories for the country and the state, if only as a defense against somebody trying to create it as an actual category again. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 18:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


== Disambiguation discussion re radio/TV station articles ==
I have enjoyed using wiki but it is just upsetting in return how wiki admin and users have responded to me.


{{resolved}}
So please can you remove my site spam.thailanddaddy.com from wiki and also send me instructions in how to close my account.
[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] and I are having a spirited and frightfully civil debate over the best approach to disambiguation of radio/TV station articles, on my talk page at [[User talk:Mlaffs#WBZ]]. According to the outlines at [[WP:DAB]], both our preferred approaches are valid, so we're looking to get some consensus on one or the other. I've posted this note at [[WT:DAB]] as well, so I think it's best if we keep the discussion consolidated on my talk page. All comments are welcome! [[User:Mlaffs|Mlaffs]] ([[User talk:Mlaffs|talk]]) 00:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:I would stick with having the disambig on [[WBZ]], moving the radio station back to [[WBZ (AM)]] and having the TV station remain at [[WBZ-TV]]. - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 01:00, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::I heartily agree with NeutralHomer and have explained at length on [[User talk:Mlaffs]]. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 03:24, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Not to add, but I agree with both above. If we get rid of the disambig page, what gets priority? The most listened/watched station? (That'd get us into even deeper mud with the current market/DMCA takedown). [[User:MrMarkTaylor]] <sup>[[User talk:mr mark taylor|What's that?]]/[[Special:Contributions/mr mark taylor|What I Do]]/[[Special:Emailuser/mr mark taylor|Feed My Box]]</sup> 03:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::For the sake of sanity, any FCC-licensed station should be of equal importance as any other. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 05:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::I invite anybody with a reasoned opinion on this topic to join in the discussion taking place on [[WT:DAB]]. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 10:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


This has now been resolved. The radio station is back at [[WBZ (AM)]] and the disambiguation back in place at [[WBZ]]. Following discussion, [[WP:MOSDAB]] has also been revised to remove the option of using the redirect/hatnote combo as an alternative to a disambiguation page when there are only two articles and neither is primary — using a disambiguation page is now shown as the correct approach. Thanks to all who weighed in. [[User:Mlaffs|Mlaffs]] ([[User talk:Mlaffs|talk]]) 16:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
In wait to your response, I will also contact wiki head office and will take things further at a later date if we cannot resolve the issues.


== Program schedules ==
I have sent this message to user MER-C as well if you want to discuss things with that user relating to this issue.


In accordance with both [[WP:NOTDIR]] and past discussion on this talk page, I've removed program schedules from several radio station articles in the past few days. However, at least one editor has challenged me on this, stating that a member of this project directly told him that airstaff lists were permissible as long as they didn't actually cite the ''exact'' times that any particular host was on the air.
::Issues been sorted, Andy thanks


I'd just like to point out that a list of on-air personalities which is differentiated into "morning", "midday", "afternoon", "evening" and "weekend" shifts ''is'' still a ''schedule'' — it doesn't magically become okay just because it uses general terms for dayparts instead of numeric time blocks. The core rationale behind the policy was not that articles should simply avoid listing ''specific'' times for its programs; it was that radio station articles shouldn't list non-notable programs ''at all''. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 20:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
== Chiang Muan ==
Frage an den Thailand-Verwaltungsexperten: In [[Amphoe Chiang Muan]] wird von einer Grenze mit Lampang gesprochen. Die ist aber weder auf der Karte noch in der Thai-Version des Artikels zu sehen. In de: hab ich Lampang erstmal außen vor gelassen, aber vielleicht weißt du mehr ... --[[User:Media lib|media_lib]] ([[User talk:Media lib|talk]]) 15:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


:While aggressively removing schedules from station articles, I've generally left a couple of sentences about current weekday hosts alone or even converted the schedules into such prose on the theory that a station's current programming is generally notable. That doesn't mean every board op and weekender, for sure, but noting "Current weekday programming includes ''The Morning Mayhem'' with Jack Schmidt and Anne Example, Joan Jones on mid-days, and Rick Something in afternoon drive" is useful to the reader, normally verifiable via the station's website, and only slightly more subject to change than a station's format. It can also serve as a useful starter for a section on the station's programming or history, easily expanded or updated by an editor more familiar with the station or more focused on a few local stations rather than the whole of radio. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 21:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:Hast recht, das scheint schon bei der ersten Version schiefgegangen zu sein, und hat bis jetzt keiner bemerkt. Wobei es in manchen Ecken Thailands widersprüchliche Karten der Grenzen gibt, aber für diese scheint alles eindeutig zu sein. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 17:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::That's completely fine, absolutely. What I'm concerned about is ''lists'', organized under the title "airstaff", that ''only'' note which particular host holds down which particular daypart, and which certain editors then claim aren't "schedules" ''only'' because they don't actually cite the ''precise'' times that any given host is on the air. There are perfectly valid and encyclopedic ways to include content about a radio station's programming in its article, but that approach isn't one of them. [[CFNY-FM]], on the other hand, is one of the prime examples of an article which gives significant context and background for each of its programs, and thus can't be dismissed as a pure "schedule". [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 21:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, absolutely, such lists should be converted to a sentence or two of prose, no question. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 21:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


== [[WP:AADD]] ==
== [[KQRS-FM]] ==


I've been dealing with an IP editor who, at first, was shortening everything to simply "KQ" where it shouldn't have been and breaking image links. Now he has decided that "Minnesota's Classic Rock" isn't a classic rock station and puts non-existent templates in there. Any help? --[[User:Sable232|Sable232]] ([[User talk:Sable232|talk]]) 21:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Could you explain the reasoning behind [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions&diff=234193154&oldid=234145357 this]? I'm not angry or upset, just confused at the replacement of one RFC 2606 link with another. [[Special:Contributions/217.36.107.9|217.36.107.9]] ([[User talk:217.36.107.9|talk]]) 10:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


== Requested move: WPTI to WRKA ==
:Because pages with example.com are usually created by accidentally clicking on the "insert link" button of the editing toolbar. But to find the pages where this happened the pages which use an example weblink intentionally must be short, and as example.org is the same as example.com except the toolbar I take the liberty to exchange them to be able to find and clean up editing experiments. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 11:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


*'''[[:WPTI]] → [[:WRKA]]''' —(''[[Talk:WPTI#Requested move|Discuss]]'')— WPTI no longer exists --[[User:Greghahn|Greghahn]] ([[User talk:Greghahn|talk]]) 02:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm. I suppose that makes sense. In future, I shall use .org for any deliberate examples. Thanks, [[Special:Contributions/217.36.107.9|217.36.107.9]] ([[User talk:217.36.107.9|talk]]) 11:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


Prior to July 18, WRKA was on 103.1 MHz in Louisville Kentucky. On 103.9 MHz was another radio station, WPTI.
==Bangkok museums==
Hi. Nice to see you are still editing Thai articles. I;m afriad I don't have as much time to allocate to Thailand as I'd wish to. I;ve redirected Bangkokian museum now seems as they are on the same site. I sure could use your help in expanding them though. Could you expand [[Benchamabophit National Museum]] ? [[User:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''The Bald One'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 16:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


On July 18, Cox Radio changed the call letters of both stations. 103.1 became WQNU. The WRKA call letters were moved to 103.9.
:No, I already tried my best to expand those museum articles where I can add something to destub them, but I have only visited few museum in Bangkok so far. So while I know [[Wat Benchamabophit]], I don't know the museum - maybe it's just a small building within the temple complex not worth a separate article? Have seen my comment on [[Talk:Bangkok Noi Museum]]? [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 16:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


The WQNU page is correct. The WRKA page is entitled "WPTI". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPTI
Yes I think the canal museums are a series of museums and should be in one article. Perhaps you could merge them When I was in Bangkok I visited the Gems and Rare Stone museums, I remember speaking to the owner of the Gems museum, he was a really nice guy in his late 60s, although I can't think of anything encyclopedic to say about them! There should be some half decent web sources on most of them. I have redirected many, perhaps I'll redirect the Wat museum too [[User:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''The Bald One'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 16:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


The page for WRKA is a disambiguation page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRKA
I think I'll propose Bangkok-stub and Thailand-struct-stub at WP:Stub proposals. If you support please chip in. I know there is Bangkok-geo-stub but perhaps somehow we could upmerge templates [[User:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''The Bald One'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 16:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


The disambiguation page is totally unnecessary.
See [[Talk:Bang Kapi]]. As WikiProject Thai districts should be a subproject of the main Thailand project I was wondering if you would support merging the Thai districts banner with the main Thailand banner and adding the parameter district=yes to evaluate the districts and this article supported by the Thai districts group within it? [[User:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''The Bald One'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat</font></font color> ]]</sup> 17:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


:The disambiguation page is still warranted but the move from [[WPTI]] to [[WRKA (FM)]] is still very much needed. I've updated the disambiguation page and put a speedy tag on the updated redirect to untangle this Gordian knot. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 03:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
== Barford & Wramplingham web links ==
::Okay, it's moved over and the proper links have all been updated. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 10:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


== WARL moved to WARL (AM) ==
Hi there,


Because there is another organization which uses WARL as an acronym, I've moved the information about WARL to [[WARL (AM)]], which was a redirect page to WARL. On the [[WARL]] page is now a page offering to manually redirect users to either the radio station or the Western Australia Rugby League.[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 02:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if you'd be kind enough to allow my amendments to the Wiki entries for my own local community to remain please?
I added the double brackets to the above paragraph for assistance.[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 02:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:The hatlink suffices - I've reverted. More importantly, cut&paste page moves are a no-no. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 03:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Indeed, standard practice for disambiguation pages requires them only when there are two primary identifications or three or more primary or secondary identifications. Since the acronym for a proper name is a secondary identification, the hat note on the radio station article is sufficient. And cut-and-paste moves are a tremendous violation of the basic tenets of the encyclopedia. Please don't repeat that procedure. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 14:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm confused now. What cut & paste move?[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 15:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Wait, I might have it now. Is the cut & paste move in reference to how I moved the information from WARL to WARL (AM)? If so, how else is information supposed to be transferred?[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 15:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::::There's a "Move" tab at the top of the page - it ensures that all of the history moves with the text, and automatically creates a redirect from the old name. [[User:Mlaffs|Mlaffs]] ([[User talk:Mlaffs|talk]]) 16:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


== Radio station infobox ==
The Village Hall website serves these two villages in the UK and we are trying to encourage as many people as possible to make use of the new site and the Village Hall facilities.


I'd like to suggest a couple of potential modifications to the infobox that's currently used on radio station articles. The way the box is designed right now, the "name" field is the only place in the infobox where a North American station's call sign can be inserted into the infobox, and an on-air name ends up getting listed under "branding" instead, whereas in the countries that don't use call signs the on-air name just goes directly into the name field and the branding field is unnecessary. So this creates a bit of confusion about which identifier belongs where — and I have seen a few North American cases which have come to the brink of edit warring over whether the call sign or the on-air name is more properly described as the station's "name".
It has been quite frustrating to find this link removed twice this evening, by someone who apparently does not even live in this country, much less the local area.


Thus, I'd like to propose the following potential changes:
The website is practically complete and has been radically updated by our webmaster during this evening alone. Please therefore stop reverting the link.
# Add a new field for "callsign =".
# Merge "branding =" with "name =". Whichever title is chosen, we can still code it in such a way that it's the primary header at the top of the infobox if no call sign is present, but becomes a secondary header if the callsign = field is populated.


This way, there's less ambiguity about which piece of information belongs in which field, while still retaining the distinction between stations in countries where call signs are used and those where they aren't.
Regards,


Another alternative would be to kill the branding field altogether, and instead list ''both'' the callsign and the brand name of a North American radio station in its name field (e.g. '''<nowiki>name = WPLJ<br>95.5 PLJ</nowiki>''' or '''<nowiki>name = WPLJ (95.5 PLJ)</nowiki>'''.)
Goldsmith285 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Goldsmith285|Goldsmith285]] ([[User talk:Goldsmith285|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Goldsmith285|contribs]]) 21:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Any other input? [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 00:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
== Amphoe Mueang Nakhon Ratchasima ==


Hallo. Du findest das bestimmt schneller als ich: vergleiche doch mal bitte die Angaben zu den Tambon und Tao einmal in [[Amphoe Mueang Nakhon Ratchasima]] und in [[:th:อำเภอเมืองนครราชสีมา]]. Wer hat denn nun recht? Oder habe ich da etwas missverstanden? --[[User:Hdamm|hdamm]] ([[User talk:Hdamm|talk]]) 14:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:I feel strongly that we need to keep the callsign and the brand name quite separate in the infobox. I'd be completely okay with adding a "callsign" field as it's clearer than the potentially ambiguous "name" field but let's leave "branding" alone. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 01:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::I agree with Dravecky, the top of the infobox should be the callsign, leave the branding to the branding section. - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 02:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::The reason I proposed what I did, however, is that outside of North America, many radio stations don't ''have'' callsigns. So if we rename "name =" to "callsign =" without doing something about "branding =", then radio stations outside of North America end up with no names on top of their infoboxes at all. But if we add "callsign =" without doing something about "name =", then we end up with two fields ''competing'' for top-of-box status. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 03:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::WHat if we relocate branding directly under where "name" is now (and "callsign" would be) so if a station has only a callsign then only the callsign is displayed, if a station only has a branding ID then only the branding is displayed, and if both fields are filled in then "callsign" goes on the top line and "branding" is on the line under it. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 04:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::In the case of English (UK) stations, they use the branding at the top of the Infobox. On Australia stations, it is the Callsign (like on US stations). So...UK, Branding....US/Aussie, Callsign. - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 05:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::That's kind of what I meant, yeah :-) [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 15:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Sounds good generally. However, "branding" sounds so cheap and trendy. How about "Common name"? [[User:Korky Day|Korky Day]] ([[User talk:Korky Day|talk]]) 18:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::That sound so... common. Branding is the industry accepted term. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 02:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::You must be young. Common is a good thing, like the common good. Like common noun. To me, a brand is a line of products with one "brand" on them, like the Cheerios brand made by the company General Foods. Co-op Radio is not the brand of some bigger entity, so it doesn't really apply except in the new over-trendy-sounding (to people like me) way people like you are trying to spread. Maybe I've already lost but it just doesn't seem right for us to use so many fad words in an encyclopedia. [[User:Korky Day|Korky Day]] ([[User talk:Korky Day|talk]]) 18:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


== [[User:FMBlogger]] has been warned to stop ==
:Ich muss erst noch ein paar von den Sitzungsprotokollen durcharbeiten, dann habe ich wieder die aktuelle Liste von Thesaban und TAO und kann dann die Tabellen hier vergleichen. Dieses Amphoe steht 'eh auf meiner ToDo-Liste, denn es sollten ja durchaus die Tambon aufgelistet werden und nicht nur die Thesaban/TAO, wie es jetzt ja wohl gemacht wird. Also irgendwie die zwei Abschnitte so wie in der Thai-WP. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 16:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


To all who have been iritated by this user, he has been warned and reported to the Administator's Notice Board. Thanks. --[[User:RoomDownUnitStage|RoomDownUnitStage]] ([[User talk:RoomDownUnitStage|talk]]) 01:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
== Re:Lao administrative structure ==
:OK I've stopped. If you want, just delete all of my work and close my account. I don't care anymore. --[[User:FMBlogger|FMBlogger]] ([[User talk:FMBlogger|talk]]) 01:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::Ignore RDUS. <font family="Comic sans">[[User:Corvus cornix|<span style="color:green">Corvus cornix</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:Corvus cornix|<span style="color:Green">talk</span>]]''</sub></font> 06:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


== New Format Page ==
Sawasdee Krab! Andy. I'm Nayok. I'm Thai not Lao, but I interesting about Laos. I can't add more background information because I have little knowledge about this district. I'm sorry. But I can read Lao language. I can help you for transcibe Lao and Thai alphabet to English alphabet. [[User:Nayok|Nayok]] [[User talk:Nayok|talk]] 16:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC).


I have created a new page for the [[Full Service (Radio Format)|Full Service]] radio format (local news, local talk, music, information, etc). It needs work (obviously) but it is a format used 'round the country and it needed more than one section on a semi-disambig page. - <small><span style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]]</span></small> 02:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
== Thaischrift auch in :en:? ==


== Naming of articles with frequency and name ==
Hallo. Ich weiß nicht, wie es sich hier in der englischen Wikipedia verhält, aber sollten die Lemmas von Artikeln über Thailand hier nicht eigentlich auch dem RTGS genügen? Sieh doch mal zum Beispiel mein Edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Udon_Thani_Province&curid=211136&diff=236865607&oldid=230312117 hier] und auch dieser [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ajahn_Maha_Bua&curid=5304699&diff=236864851&oldid=236849929 hier]. Wie wird das hier gehandhabt? Gewähren lassen? --[[User:Hdamm|hdamm]] ([[User talk:Hdamm|talk]]) 14:22, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


I was recently looking through [[:Category:Eastbourne]] (my home town), and noticed a stub for "[[107.5 Sovereign Radio]]"; among other cleanup, I have now moved the page to [[Sovereign Radio]]. Although the logo (and, I expect, the jingles) say "107.5 Sovereign Radio", this is purely to draw attention to the frequency, and is ''not'' used as the brand name in prose, for instance on [http://www.sovereignradio.net/ the station's official site]. Interestingly, there wasn't even a redirect at [[Sovereign Radio]], causing unnecessary red links.
== Surat Thani ==
Hallo, wollte mich nur kurz für das Foto vom Stadion in Surat und dem Artikel dazu bedanken. Schönes WOE. Gruß, --[[User:Lokomotive74|Lokomotive74]] ([[User talk:Lokomotive74|talk]]) 08:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


It seems that there are a few other articles around with similar names (see e.g. [[Special:PrefixIndex/105.|105.*]],[[Special:PrefixIndex/106.|106.*]],[[Special:PrefixIndex/107.|107.*]]) and it would be a good idea for this WikiProject to agree naming conventions, as with the use of call-signs in the US etc.
:Das Foto hatte ich schon im April gemacht, nur bisher noch nicht hochgeladen - aber da ich jetzt den Artikel ueber den Club auch auf Deutsch gesehen hatte war das dann der Anlass es dann doch endlich mal nachzutragen. Aber da sist auch leider das einzige Fotos eines Fussballstadions in Thailand welches ich bislang beisteuern kann. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 20:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:: Macht nichts. Ich hoffe ich kann einige Bilder in ca. 3 Wochen besteuern, wenn ich aus Thailand zurück bin. :-) --[[User:Lokomotive74|Lokomotive74]] ([[User talk:Lokomotive74|talk]]) 23:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


My own <s>two</s>four pence are:
== Thank you ==
# Such names should ''not'' in general be the primary article name, unless the frequency is truly an intrinsic part of the branding.
# It ''might'' be useful to have redirects in place for the obvious alternatives (e.g. [[107.5 Sovereign Radio]])
# If there ''are'' exceptions where the frequency belongs in the article name, make sure there is a redirect (or disambig page) at the name ''without'' the frequency.
# Frequencies should ''not'' be used to disambiguate, as seems to have happened with [[Arrow FM]]; while "107.8 Arrow FM" is certainly less ambiguous in this case, that doesn't make it a good article name. Something like [[Arrow FM (Hastings radio station)]], though awkward, would fit much better with normal naming policy. (And, per 2 above, [[107.8 Arrow FM]] would still be a good redirect to have around).


Thoughts? - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] ([[User talk:IMSoP|talk]]) 19:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting vandalism to my user page, Ahoerstemeier. Best regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 22:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'm inclined to agree, from experience with the database of a well known Internet Radio company, it can be annoying looking for the name of a station only to find it's under the frequency. I would welcome the above suggestion, though some investigative work may have to be done for defunct stations (ie. [[102.2 Jazz FM]]). The only thing I would change is instead of having [[Arrow FM (Hastings radio station)]], I would just use the coverage area - ie. [[Arrow FM (Hastings)]] or whilst were on the theme of The Local Radio Company, instead of [[Jazz FM (UK radio station)]] there is [[Jazz FM (UK)]] (as the plan is for the [[jazzfm.com]] article come October 6). I would find that a lot less "awkward" than your suggestion. --[[User:Tghe-retford|<b>tghe</b>retford]] <small>([[User talk:Tghe-retford|talk]])</small> 20:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


== Disambiguation ==
== Barford, Wramplingham etc. again ==


As some of you know, I've been spending the last couple of months on trying to clean up all the incoming links to the disambiguation pages that include radio and TV call signs. I'm all but done now, and I'm left with 115 or so that I haven't been able to crack. So, I thought I'd present them here and at the TV stations project and see if anyone can help get to the bottom. I've collected them in a list at [[User:Mlaffs/Call_sign_disambiguation|Call sign disambiguation]]. Happy hunting! [[User:Mlaffs|Mlaffs]] ([[User talk:Mlaffs|talk]]) 20:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello again,


== Program Schedules ==
I've referred the Barford and Wramplingham issue for a third opinion, as you clearly want to stop me adding my own village hall website to my own community.


Here is how I feel the program schedules should be allowed to be also. I think we should just have a simple list and maybe put up links for the DJ's on the website. Adding things that a DJ does would be a waste in some aspects because asome stations do nothing really big after the morning show. They may do like commercial free hours or something like that. so some stations would not have anything to write about. Another possability is make a page for every DJ or show @ the station.--[[User:JoeCool950|JoeCool950]] ([[User talk:JoeCool950|talk]]) 18:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I find your objections to the actual website inexplicable, as the village hall is the hub of so many British rural commununities.
:Here is my feeling, so that you know my take on it, I feel that it should be in a pose, because you can add more stuff to a pose, and the other way, as a list wouldn't make since at all and be easy to confuse, if your just reading about the radio station for the first time. If anyone agrees, let me know also.--[[User:JoeCool950|JoeCool950]] ([[User talk:JoeCool950|talk]]) 06:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


== Introduction ==
The website was designed and authorised by people who help run the village hall and is therefore in my view, a valid contrubution to such an entry.


I feel that the introduction should be allowed to be like this also Please give me your input, or allow it :
If your objection is based on your understanding of English villages' municipal affairs, then you should be aware that these are run by parish, district and then county councils. Ironically, linking those to the village Wiki entry would be a little odd, as their role is administrative. It is, however, quite natural to include a village hall link in such a page as village halls play a central role in keeping small communities together, preserving their traditions and laying on local events.


===Orginal example introduction===
I hope you appreciate these facts. As a gesture of goodwill, I have edited the English mistakes out of your personal homepage on here. I trust you may find the input useful.
:'''KLMN''' (102.3 [[FM broadcasting|FM]] "The Illuminator") is a [[radio station]] broadcasting an [[oldies]] format. Licensed to the suburb of [[Smallville, USA]], it serves the [[Metropolis]] metropolitan area. It first began broadcasting in [[1933]] under the [[callsign (radio)|call sign]] '''KRYP'''. The station is currently owned by [[Lexcorp]]


===Example that should be considered good also===
Regards,


:'''KLMN''' (102.3 [[FM broadcasting|FM]]) is a [[radio station]] broadcasting an [[oldies]] format. Licensed to the suburb of [[Smallville, USA]], it serves the [[Metropolis]] metropolitan area. It first began broadcasting in [[1933]] under the [[callsign (radio)|call sign]] '''KRYP'''. The station is currently owned by [[Lexcorp]] and is branded as ''The Illuminator''
Goldsmith285 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Goldsmith285|Goldsmith285]] ([[User talk:Goldsmith285|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Goldsmith285|contribs]]) 23:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Please give me your input or allow it, if we know the branding for the radio station. Thanks.--[[User:JoeCool950|JoeCool950]] ([[User talk:JoeCool950|talk]]) 02:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


:Those are both fine. Personally, I'd prefer if every radio station article doesn't look like a damned clone of the same template copied a million times over. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 04:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


::Having the first couple of sentences standardized still allows for infinite variety in the body of the article. A single, clean method of delivering this basic information allows for greater reading comprehension and easier access by the vast majority of readers. Also, since this discussion has hardly reached consensus yet, I'm reverting the changes to the project page until such time as an actual consensus is reached. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 06:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
== i am off now ==
:::That's fine [[User: Dravecky|Dravecky]]. I fixed [[KVMX]] for the second one that was fine, but reverted it back to how you had it until a consensus is met. Even put that in the summary that I reverted it back until consensus is met. [[User: JPG-GR|JPG-GR]], if that's o.k. let's put it in the introduction.--[[User:JoeCool950|JoeCool950]] ([[User talk:JoeCool950|talk]]) 06:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


What's important is that all of the relevant information be in the lead paragraph, and that it be precise and accurate. It does not matter what order these elements are in, nor how the sentences are structured. [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] ([[User talk:121a0012|talk]]) 04:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
no need to watch for new users [[User:TopoCode-blockedbyAhoerstemeier-6|TopoCode-blockedbyAhoerstemeier-6]] ([[User talk:TopoCode-blockedbyAhoerstemeier-6|talk]]) 10:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


==WCAS (AM) page==
:Tobias, what are you trying to proof? That it's impossible to block you from editing here? That you can waste the time of admins effectively? That you can get your naming scheme enforced by whatever means? I see these options
[[WCAS (AM)]] is a defunct radio station. Would it be able to be moved to WCAS (defunct)? Thanks in advance.[[User:Stereorock|Stereorock]] ([[User talk:Stereorock|talk]]) 01:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:#You leave Wikipedia alone and, if you want to continue to share your knowledge choose to work on any of the forks like CitizenPedia.
:No, it is not a defunct radio station. It is the station which is now called [[WJIB]] and should be merged into the history section of that article. [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] ([[User talk:121a0012|talk]]) 03:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:#Proof that TopoCode is not Tobias Conradi - I am very sure now that you are the same person
::Agreed, it should be merged to [[WJIB]]. - </noinclude><small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#990000;background:#FFFFFF;">NeutralHomer</font>]] • [[User_talk:Neutralhomer|<font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;">Talk</font>]] • October 13, 2008 @ 03:17</small>
:#Continue to sneak in with new accounts, get blocked, or even start to vandalize because getting tired of this routine
:::I've added the appropriate merge-to/merge-from tags to these articles. - [[User:Dravecky|Dravecky]] ([[User talk:Dravecky|talk]]) 10:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:#Go the official way to be allowed to edit again, under probation of ArbCom or whatever the official way is (I have no idea, it's not something I like to waste my time with). But the longer you continue with 3 the more difficult it will be to be allowed to come back.
:As I wrote in the sockpuppet report - I consider your contributions to be helpful, like I have no problems with a unified naming scheme (quite the contrary), and I know there's a lot of mess of mixing up towns with districts which needs to be cleaned up, and so on. A dedicated editor is always welcome. It wasn't me you had problems with in the past, actually I was quite surprised when I noticed that you got banned. As I am working on the Thai subdivisions, I even recall your requests on clarifications, which were quite helpful. The only thing I don't like on your contributions is the fact that you create work for the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links]] instead of trying to fix the links yourself. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier#top|talk]]) 11:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Re: contents of Template:USRadio3

Would anybody be against the deletion of the lists as outlined in Template:USRadio3? With the completion of the lists by state, I question the usefulness of these alphabetical lists, other than from a trivia perspective. On the same hand, don't want to fully nominate yet until (a) I gauge the opinion of everyone else here and (b) to prevent some cascade that would cause other useful lists (like the state lists) to be subject to deletion. Thanks everyone! JPG-GR (talk) 06:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The national lists by call letters (and thus sortable by the other fields) are still useful for finding stations, especially if you don't know the specific state in question or only know most of the callsign. - Dravecky (talk) 10:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I seriously have to question the likelihood that someone would be looking for an article on a station and not know what state it's licensed to (one extra list to check at most) or only know part of the callsign (let's say I know the last two letters are QI... doesn't really help). JPG-GR (talk) 03:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Listen to AM radio at night and you'll hear plenty of stations you don't know which state they're coming from. Squidfryerchef (talk) 22:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If such a station broadcasts its call sign while you're listening, you'll be able to look it up directly to find out what state it's in — and this kind of list won't help you if it doesn't. Bearcat (talk) 18:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

US Callsigns in FCC database prepended with various letters?

What do these mean? Example WMYB's callsign change history has an entry for SWMYB, does this mean silent? Does 'D' mean deleted? Are there others?--Rtphokie (talk) 11:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure the "D" means deleted, as in the station doesn't exist anymore (as opposed to a call letter change, where then it would just show the call letters). I would guess the "S" means silent (I've never seen it in the database) but we are talking about a government agency so the obvious sometimes isn't the answer...MrMarkTaylor What's that?/What I Do/Feed My Box 13:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My first guess on "S" was "operator error", but checking the call_sign_history table, there are 43 such entries, not all of them with "W" callsigns. Suggest you write cdbsinfo at fcc.gov and ask what it means. 121a0012 (talk) 02:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, "D" does mean Delete. I think maybe "S" means "Swap". I am not sure though. WAYZ also had the "S" in their call sign history, when that happened, WAYZ swapped calls with WWMD. Call Sign WWMD went from 104.7 to 101.5, and WAYZ went from 101.5 to 104.7. So, it could mean "swap". I am not sure though. - NeutralHomerTalk 03:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Translator infobox questions

Why is there a place to add the xlator class when they're ALL class D? Also, how come it used to go up to xlator 30 & now it only goes to 21? Does this mean they can also go to 99 or 999 (I'm thinking Calvary Chapel here)? Stereorock (talk) 21:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you are referring to Template:RadioTranslators, it has never had more than 21 slots. If you are referring to Template:Infobox Radio station, then there has never been any specialized shots for multiple stations. Either way, if you're referring to the Calvary Chapel network in general, neither is the appropriate template anyway... so I'm rather lost.
I remember seeing the translator thing go to 30 so I'm wondering if it can go to 99 or 999 (the Calvary Chapel reference is because they have over 100 xlators).Stereorock (talk) 01:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

need a reference

Hello, I'm not a part of this project, but the help desk suggested I ask here.

The article Janis Ian states that an Atlanta radio station burned down after playing her first record, "Society's Child". This is in her autobiography, but there are no details. Can someone confirm that an Atlanta radio station burned about 1966-67? And if so, was there any indication that it was burned for playing her song? Thank you, Bubba73 (talk), 16:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My Google-fu didn't find a name but this info was in the press before it was in the autobiography [1] so I'd give it some validity. Also, perhaps some lucky editor could visit Ms. Ian on her book tour and just ask her. (Original research, I know, but know where to look would certainly make digging for reliable third-party sources a lot easier.) - Dravecky (talk) 01:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but that information may have come from her. I'm trying to get some specifics and verification (i.e. what station, when, and what did the fire marshall say about the cause). Bubba73 (talk), 02:09, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Want to create a new template & a new tag

I wanted to create one for Tokyo radio & a tag, like the HD radio one, for A.M. stereo stations including the A.M. stereo logo, which is in the public domain as far as I know. It was created by people on A.M. stereo e-mail lists.Stereorock (talk) 01:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be a lot more comfortable if the copyright status of the image were clearer or the actual creator of the logo uploaded it to Commons themselves. - Dravecky (talk) 01:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. I'm going to ask over on the A.M. stereo e-mail lists if they remember who created it.Stereorock (talk) 02:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've asked & am awaiting an answer. Maybe better would be just a list a la the Eco-Friendly stations list & the list of clear-channel stations.Stereorock (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a category for Tokyo radio stations? JPG-GR (talk) 02:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think there's one for Asian media in general but nothing specific for Tokyo. I just made a template Template:Tokyo Radio but am going to check WRTH for additional data.Stereorock (talk) 02:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked & there's already a template for Tokyo T.V.Stereorock (talk) 02:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

KMBQ-FM

Whomever wrote this wrote it as an ad for the radio station.Stereorock (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like User:Emarsee handled it quite nicely. - Dravecky (talk) 20:31, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Nobody's suggesting that we write up separate articles, don't worry, but I've noticed an increasing tendency for some people to document unsuccessful radio station applications on the applicant's corporate article and/or the relevant "Media in City" lists (see e.g. Media in Timmins#Denials of proposed radio stations). So I'd like to ask for input — do people see any real encyclopedic value to this (I don't, but it's happening often enough that there should be a discussion rather than a unilateral removal campaign), and should we or shouldn't we be doing it? Bearcat (talk) 18:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe in an extreme case (repeated denials for some reason), but otherwise it's just cruft. JPG-GR (talk) 18:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, I agree that there are cases where the denial is notable in and of itself — Milestone Radio, frex, is a case where the license denials are so inherently notable (explosive blow to the commercial viability of Canadian hip hop, yadda yadda) that the company might potentially merit an article even if it hadn't finally hit paydirt — but I don't think Wikipedia should be in the business of caring that some local Joe or Jane Schmo who'll never have an article of their own anyway didn't get a license for a standalone CHR in a small city in 1987. Though colour me mystified as to why a denied application has a Recnet entry for its denied call sign. Bearcat (talk) 19:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another one

While we're on the subject of cruft, do we care about details such as these?

  1. what day of the week a given date fell on (e.g. writing "Sunday, August 24, 2008" instead of just "August 24, 2008"),
  2. the exact time of a given event (e.g. that a station officially hit the air at 8:37 a.m.),
  3. what particular song a station kicked off with?

- Bearcat (talk) 19:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As long as it's used for a little color in a potentially dry article to enhance readability and as long as these are properly sourced, I can't see any harm in having this sort of detail in the article - Dravecky (talk) 20:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say the day of the week is useless, but sign-on time and first song (or last song, as the case may be) can be an interesting tidbit... if it can be sourced. JPG-GR (talk) 20:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was in the process of correcting links to the WAPL disambiguation page, and I found that WAPL-FM has changed its call sign to simply WAPL effective 04/08/2008. I've changed the infobox to reflect the correct call sign, but there's still the matter of the article being named incorrectly now. As a relative newcomer to working with radio/television station articles, I wanted to ask for some opinions on the best course of action:

  1. Move the WAPL-FM article to WAPL (FM), update links to the article accordingly, and update the disambiguation page
  2. Since the only other article listed at the disambiguation page is for an airport with the ICAO code matching those initials, add a hatnote about the airport to the WAPL-FM page, and ask for a page move from WAPL-FM to WAPL
  3. Since WAPL (FM) already redirects to WAPL-FM, do nothing

Thoughts? Mlaffs (talk) 15:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Number 1. Georgia guy (talk) 15:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Number 2 is the appropriate solution. If nothing else, Dravecky will see this and take care of it in due time. :) JPG-GR (talk) 17:40, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, number 2 is the more appropriate solution. I'll add it to today's pile of fixes. - Dravecky (talk) 21:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There we go, all fixed now. - Dravecky (talk) 22:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's up with the proliferation of these templates lately - I fail to see the use of a template that lists every News/Talk radio station in a particular state. JPG-GR (talk) 23:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can see how it could be useful for navigation among similarly formatted stations in a distinct geographical area. What I don't see is them being thoughtfully crafted (lots of pointers to disambiguation pages, some pointed at duplicate stations) nor any movement to keep them maintained. - Dravecky (talk) 23:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, the idea is a good one, but whoever is putting them together is forgetting to edit them (disambig pages, stations that aren't that format). User:MrMarkTaylor What's that?/What I Do/Feed My Box 02:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I left a couple of notes on his talk page about the disambiguation problem when he first created the templates a couple of weeks ago - he said he'd go back and fix them, but I'm still running across disambiguation that's needed all over the place. I'm cleaning it up as I come across it - I think all the Ks should be done now, and I'm up to about WC on the Ws. I think he's using the information at ontheradio.net to put them together, which doesn't appear to be particularly up-to-date. Mlaffs (talk) 02:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On each of the format templates for in Maryland, Virginia, and West Virginia I have corrected the linkage, added stations that were left out, and removed some that were no longer carrying that format. The person doing the templates is doing a big undertaking, but the disambig problem does need to be fixed. - NeutralHomerTalk 02:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Australian article naming

I have added Australian FM radio to the note in the article naming conventions as one of the places where the name of the station should typically be used instead of the callsign, unless the call sign is well-known. Australian radio stations don't have any regulatory requirement to identify their call signs on air, and generally on the FM band the call signs aren't used to identify the station, even within the industry (e.g. radio ratings). The use of the call sign is completely confusing to the reader who will most likely never have heard the call sign of the station. Twice now I have had to revert well-meaning page moves by people who don't realise that about Australian radio, so I believe it's beneficial to have it expressly spelled out as it is for Central and South American radio. - Mark 07:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

jazzfm.com to Jazz FM

I am in need of some help and guidance on where to proceed when jazzfm.com is renamed as Jazz FM (which currently is a disambiguation page) on October 6 in regards to how the article should be named and/or moved to. If anyone can make suggestions, please do so on the articles talk page. Your help is much apprechiated. Thank you. --tgheretford (talk) 22:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After examining the articles, I'd suggest renaming the jazzfm.com article to "Jazz FM (UK)" and updating the link from the much-needed disambiguation page. - Dravecky (talk) 02:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Radio stations that change frequencies

You have a section on stations changing format, but what about frequencies?

In the WYFQ article there is a brief mention of when WSOC was on 1240 and WIST on 930, and then they swapped frequencies in the 1960s. Both the WYFQ article and the WHVN article discuss the histories of WSOC and WIST prior to the swap, though the WHVN article goes into more detail. Ironically, WHVN didn't even start out on 1240, so there is yet another frequency change to deal with for that station.

What I did on the WSFM article was, since there was quite a bit on WSFM after its move to 98.3, to move the early history from the WAZO article. WSFM was on 107.1 and then 107.5 before moving to 98.3. WAZO has a very short history, part of which was at 98.3 before the move to 107.5. It seems correct to keep the history with the call letters and format in these cases.

It gets more confusing for situations like WSYN. That station essentially traded frequencies with WYAK, but it was like a whole new station started where WSYN was--WLFF. Still, WLFF and WYAK both had country formats.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 15:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's very unlikely that two stations would swap frequencies and neither of them not maintain some semblance of their former selves . Whichever station is undergoing the bigger change should probably be the one to get the "homeless" history. JPG-GR (talk) 00:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Underpopulated radio station categories

The following radio station categories are tagged with the {{popcat}} template as underpopulated:

Any effort that could be made to resolve these tags would be greatly appreciated. - Dravecky (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One done. JPG-GR (talk) 01:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken it off the Canadian and Cayman categories. Bearcat (talk) 02:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why? Those categories have only 2 to 6 entries each. By any measure, they're underpopulated. - Dravecky (talk) 03:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not being overly versed in those areas... if they're as full as possible (i.e. all stations in those regions are included), it's not a matter of their being underpopulated... but existing unnecessarily. Not saying that's the case, though. JPG-GR (talk) 04:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They're not all as full as possible, unfortunately. (Only one radio station in Brazil?) For example, what I was hoping would happen would for somebody to take an underpopulated category like Category:Radio stations in the Cayman Islands and create well-formed and referenced starter articles for the dozen "missing" radio stations plus add a shiny new navigation template to actually fill up the category. (While I was in there, I also updated and cleaned up the few existing articles then added logos, where available.) Now a whole (small) country with a booming radio industry is properly represented in Wikipedia. That's what I was hoping for when I posted the original request. - Dravecky (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They're not all as full as possible (not even the ones I removed it from), but policy around the popcat template is that it's not supposed to be used to denote "not all of the potential articles for this category exist yet" — it's only supposed to be used to convey "most or all of the relevant the articles are already on WP but just haven't been refiled here yet". The issue with the Quebec subcategories is that because the parent category has to be subcategorized by language, some stations simply get isolated from the main category if the language categories don't coexist with a comprehensive regional breakdown. So it's one of those sets that needs to exist comprehensively even if we end up with one or two categories that would ordinarily be deemed too small.
The Canadian radio contingent (which is rather small, unfortunately) are doing our best to fill up the Canadian radio categories, but small-town stations in Quebec tend to be harder to find good references for — Nord-du-Québec, in particular, is really problematic; there's a whole range of stations up there (anything on List of radio stations in Quebec whose owner is listed as "Club Social du Nord-Est") whose mere existence is the only detail about them that can be properly verified in the usual sources, and thus we can't write anything about them until we can figure out what kind of programming they actually air. In truth, they're mostly community-owned rebroadcasters of commercial stations from the bigger cities in southern Quebec, but with only a few exceptions to date it's particularly difficult to find out which stations. Bearcat (talk) 19:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coast to Coast AM affiliates category.

Hi everyone. I have taken on a kind of ambitious category creation, and created "Category:Coast to Coast AM affiliates". All of the affiliate stations of the show could go under this category. More information on the stations is available on the category's page. I would appreciate any help on adding stations to this category. I have already done most of the west and parts of the Midwest USA. To me, this category is extremely relevant because it helps those of us who are into DXing help find C2C stations since that's a lot of what we hear at night on AM.

Any thoughts, suggestions? Milonica (talk) 03:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I see how this could be a good idea (and it is) it would open the door for all kinds of categories like "Category:Rush Limbaugh Show affiliates" or "Category:AT40 affiliates". I like the idea though, but I am just wondering what precendent would be set by creating it. - NeutralHomerTalk 03:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, it just organizes the data more, and I guess a bit selfishly helps me with my DXing. I see your point though. Any more thoughts? I spent a few hours on this project and I don't really want to abandon it as it would require going back and deleting all of the categories off of the stations I did (which at last count was 105 pages). That is, unless there is a bot that automatically cleans up orphaned categories?Milonica (talk) 04:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I dug up this from the archives, about radio show categories, but this was from 2 years ago. I like the idea of radio shows having their own category of some sort, but some shows (Coast to Coast included) have different formats/versions (Coast to Coast has a weeknight version, weekend and a Saturday night "Somewhere In Time" Art Bell Best of). Not all stations carry all versions of a show, but I could be splitting hairs at this point. User:MrMarkTaylor What's that?/What I Do/Feed My Box 04:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, CFD policy generally goes against categories of this type as WP:OCAT, although lists are very much permitted. Bearcat (talk) 20:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WDXE

Boy, y'all don't mess around, do you? Thanks for the save! How the heck do you get a stub pulled together and up that quickly?

As I've been working through the disambiguations, I'd come across a bunch of pages like that one, so I figured they were a good — and accepted — approach, and I've created more as I've come across multi-station calls that were missing a dab page. Someone tried to speedy one last week, but an admin took the tag off pretty quickly. Am I wrong, or was this Afd actually as much out of left field as it seemed to me? Mlaffs (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem :) I keep templates of pages saved and just add the information from the FCC database, 100000watts.com, and Radio-Locator.com.....plus logos from the station's website (with proper F-URs, of course). Takes about 10 minutes, 15 if the servers are slow :) If you ever need help again, please don't hesitate to ask :) Take Care...NeutralHomerTalk 22:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Market templates/Nielsen DMCA request on TVS

Just wanted to let you all know that you might want to plan to rework the radio station market templates to excise the Arbitron ranking data. It's not been a pretty night for the TV stations project, as A.C. Nielsen filed a DMCA request with WMF, got an OTRS ticket out and knocked out all 210 TV market templates in one fell swoop because they contained the Nielsen DMA data, which they say is their copyrighted property. I'm thinking Arbitron might go after your templates next. Hopefully I'm just doling out some unfounded FUD in your case, but this gives you some warning time. Nate (chatter) 09:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I knew this was coming. Months ago I said we shouldn't be posting ratings info at all, and when it rains it pours. JPG-GR (talk) 16:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest a good first step would be to rename all the "(state) Arbitron market navigational boxes" categories as "(state) radio market navigational boxes". - Dravecky (talk) 18:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Dravecky, let's just wipe Arbitron off the templates. Even though they aren't claiming ownership of anything yet, let's not give 'em a reason to. Also, since the way the TV "markets" were named (like Washington, D.C. DMA) would it be a good idea to slightly rename all the radio markets that are Arbitron rated? - NeutralHomerTalk 18:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I also have some concerns about the "format" information, are we relying too heavily on ratings services? Perhaps we should establish our own set of formats which don't correspond exactly to Arbitron's or anyone else's. Squidfryerchef (talk) 18:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Format" as in music, or "Format" as in ratings? Cause if it is music, Country is Country...Rock is Rock...Pop is Pop. - NeutralHomerTalk 19:34, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, stations self-identify by format and this is a common bit of data widely available from several sources. There's no need for us to change "Adult Contemporary" to anything else but scraping the Arbitron links off the templates and category names (but not the links in the articles) is looking more and more like a good idea. - Dravecky (talk) 21:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If everybody, not just Arbitron, calls a station "Adult Contemporary", then that's OK. But if we have too many cites where only Arbitron refers to the station as "Adult Contemporary", that's trouble, and keeping the data but removing the attribution might cause even more trouble. Squidfryerchef (talk) 22:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The different guides to radio stations out there, such as Arbitron, WRTH, and 100000watts.com each have a set of standard formats they have for each of the radio stations in their databases. What one service calls "Pop" another might split into "Top 40" and "Adult Contemporary". If we're describing a station, and all three guides plus the station's own website plus secondary-source ariticles all use the word "rock", we should have no issues with "rock" in the template; it might not even need a citation because it's "general knowledge".
But just like with Nielsen's grouping of TV market areas, these guides will have their own proprietary groupings of stations into classical, jazz, etc. If a guide uses unique terminology for formats, we have to be careful. We have to make sure we don't use it too heavily. If one guide's unique take on a station really "fits", we can cite it. Citing them for a few stations is fair use. But citing their entire database , piece-by-piece, is a copyvio. Squidfryerchef (talk) 22:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just saying what a station's format (what that station plays) isn't a copyvio or fair use. - NeutralHomerTalk 22:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to make sure on that one :) Because we list the format on the infoboxes of each station page. - NeutralHomerTalk 22:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Generic templates

Some well-meaning editor has slapped a generic navigation-by-state template on all of the media, television, and radio station by state categories. This isn't much of a problem except it leaves the D.C. category as a redlink and he created Category:Radio stations in Georgia as a redirect to the correct Category:Radio stations in Georgia (U.S. state). We either need to eliminate the redirect or constantly patrol this new, easy to type but terribly wrong category. I don't see the benefit to this generic by-state nav template so I'd be completely okay if it was removed, at least from the radio categories, or replaced with a properly built radio-oriented template. - Dravecky (talk) 05:23, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nuke the templates from the cat pages. No added navigational value, more trouble than it's worth, and wasn't discussed before it was mass-added. The worst part being Category:Radio stations in Georgia being redirected. JPG-GR (talk) 06:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've pulled it off the 49 states it was still on (fast work on Michigan, JPG-GR!) and marked the errant category redirect for speedy deletion. - Dravecky (talk) 06:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty much everything Michigan-related is on my watchlist - I rm'd it when I noticed it earlier. Was waiting to see what would occur first - discussion here or a re-add by the editor before proceeding. JPG-GR (talk) 06:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This editor has been on a strong template creation and placement kick in all of the broadcast categories. None appear to have been discussed and none of them are particularly well crafted. - Dravecky (talk) 06:51, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Update: If the category link above is still red then the completed speedy deletion is still holding. - Dravecky (talk) 10:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Or, someone made a category for radio stations in Georgia. ;) JPG-GR (talk) 16:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We already have Category:Radio stations in Georgia (country) so that would be wrong, too. (Hmm, that category seems underpopulated but I know nothing about the region and do not speak the language. Dang.) - Dravecky (talk) 22:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to create category disambiguations? If there is, it might be worth creating Category:Radio stations in Georgia as a disambiguation page which directs people to the correct categories for the country and the state, if only as a defense against somebody trying to create it as an actual category again. Bearcat (talk) 18:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation discussion re radio/TV station articles

Resolved

David Levy and I are having a spirited and frightfully civil debate over the best approach to disambiguation of radio/TV station articles, on my talk page at User talk:Mlaffs#WBZ. According to the outlines at WP:DAB, both our preferred approaches are valid, so we're looking to get some consensus on one or the other. I've posted this note at WT:DAB as well, so I think it's best if we keep the discussion consolidated on my talk page. All comments are welcome! Mlaffs (talk) 00:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would stick with having the disambig on WBZ, moving the radio station back to WBZ (AM) and having the TV station remain at WBZ-TV. - NeutralHomerTalk 01:00, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I heartily agree with NeutralHomer and have explained at length on User talk:Mlaffs. - Dravecky (talk) 03:24, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not to add, but I agree with both above. If we get rid of the disambig page, what gets priority? The most listened/watched station? (That'd get us into even deeper mud with the current market/DMCA takedown). User:MrMarkTaylor What's that?/What I Do/Feed My Box 03:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the sake of sanity, any FCC-licensed station should be of equal importance as any other. JPG-GR (talk) 05:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I invite anybody with a reasoned opinion on this topic to join in the discussion taking place on WT:DAB. - Dravecky (talk) 10:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This has now been resolved. The radio station is back at WBZ (AM) and the disambiguation back in place at WBZ. Following discussion, WP:MOSDAB has also been revised to remove the option of using the redirect/hatnote combo as an alternative to a disambiguation page when there are only two articles and neither is primary — using a disambiguation page is now shown as the correct approach. Thanks to all who weighed in. Mlaffs (talk) 16:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Program schedules

In accordance with both WP:NOTDIR and past discussion on this talk page, I've removed program schedules from several radio station articles in the past few days. However, at least one editor has challenged me on this, stating that a member of this project directly told him that airstaff lists were permissible as long as they didn't actually cite the exact times that any particular host was on the air.

I'd just like to point out that a list of on-air personalities which is differentiated into "morning", "midday", "afternoon", "evening" and "weekend" shifts is still a schedule — it doesn't magically become okay just because it uses general terms for dayparts instead of numeric time blocks. The core rationale behind the policy was not that articles should simply avoid listing specific times for its programs; it was that radio station articles shouldn't list non-notable programs at all. Bearcat (talk) 20:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While aggressively removing schedules from station articles, I've generally left a couple of sentences about current weekday hosts alone or even converted the schedules into such prose on the theory that a station's current programming is generally notable. That doesn't mean every board op and weekender, for sure, but noting "Current weekday programming includes The Morning Mayhem with Jack Schmidt and Anne Example, Joan Jones on mid-days, and Rick Something in afternoon drive" is useful to the reader, normally verifiable via the station's website, and only slightly more subject to change than a station's format. It can also serve as a useful starter for a section on the station's programming or history, easily expanded or updated by an editor more familiar with the station or more focused on a few local stations rather than the whole of radio. - Dravecky (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's completely fine, absolutely. What I'm concerned about is lists, organized under the title "airstaff", that only note which particular host holds down which particular daypart, and which certain editors then claim aren't "schedules" only because they don't actually cite the precise times that any given host is on the air. There are perfectly valid and encyclopedic ways to include content about a radio station's programming in its article, but that approach isn't one of them. CFNY-FM, on the other hand, is one of the prime examples of an article which gives significant context and background for each of its programs, and thus can't be dismissed as a pure "schedule". Bearcat (talk) 21:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, absolutely, such lists should be converted to a sentence or two of prose, no question. - Dravecky (talk) 21:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been dealing with an IP editor who, at first, was shortening everything to simply "KQ" where it shouldn't have been and breaking image links. Now he has decided that "Minnesota's Classic Rock" isn't a classic rock station and puts non-existent templates in there. Any help? --Sable232 (talk) 21:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move: WPTI to WRKA

Prior to July 18, WRKA was on 103.1 MHz in Louisville Kentucky. On 103.9 MHz was another radio station, WPTI.

On July 18, Cox Radio changed the call letters of both stations. 103.1 became WQNU. The WRKA call letters were moved to 103.9.

The WQNU page is correct. The WRKA page is entitled "WPTI". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPTI

The page for WRKA is a disambiguation page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRKA

The disambiguation page is totally unnecessary.

The disambiguation page is still warranted but the move from WPTI to WRKA (FM) is still very much needed. I've updated the disambiguation page and put a speedy tag on the updated redirect to untangle this Gordian knot. - Dravecky (talk) 03:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, it's moved over and the proper links have all been updated. - Dravecky (talk) 10:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WARL moved to WARL (AM)

Because there is another organization which uses WARL as an acronym, I've moved the information about WARL to WARL (AM), which was a redirect page to WARL. On the WARL page is now a page offering to manually redirect users to either the radio station or the Western Australia Rugby League.Stereorock (talk) 02:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC) I added the double brackets to the above paragraph for assistance.Stereorock (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The hatlink suffices - I've reverted. More importantly, cut&paste page moves are a no-no. JPG-GR (talk) 03:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, standard practice for disambiguation pages requires them only when there are two primary identifications or three or more primary or secondary identifications. Since the acronym for a proper name is a secondary identification, the hat note on the radio station article is sufficient. And cut-and-paste moves are a tremendous violation of the basic tenets of the encyclopedia. Please don't repeat that procedure. - Dravecky (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused now. What cut & paste move?Stereorock (talk) 15:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, I might have it now. Is the cut & paste move in reference to how I moved the information from WARL to WARL (AM)? If so, how else is information supposed to be transferred?Stereorock (talk) 15:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's a "Move" tab at the top of the page - it ensures that all of the history moves with the text, and automatically creates a redirect from the old name. Mlaffs (talk) 16:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Radio station infobox

I'd like to suggest a couple of potential modifications to the infobox that's currently used on radio station articles. The way the box is designed right now, the "name" field is the only place in the infobox where a North American station's call sign can be inserted into the infobox, and an on-air name ends up getting listed under "branding" instead, whereas in the countries that don't use call signs the on-air name just goes directly into the name field and the branding field is unnecessary. So this creates a bit of confusion about which identifier belongs where — and I have seen a few North American cases which have come to the brink of edit warring over whether the call sign or the on-air name is more properly described as the station's "name".

Thus, I'd like to propose the following potential changes:

  1. Add a new field for "callsign =".
  2. Merge "branding =" with "name =". Whichever title is chosen, we can still code it in such a way that it's the primary header at the top of the infobox if no call sign is present, but becomes a secondary header if the callsign = field is populated.

This way, there's less ambiguity about which piece of information belongs in which field, while still retaining the distinction between stations in countries where call signs are used and those where they aren't.

Another alternative would be to kill the branding field altogether, and instead list both the callsign and the brand name of a North American radio station in its name field (e.g. name = WPLJ<br>95.5 PLJ or name = WPLJ (95.5 PLJ).)

Any other input? Bearcat (talk) 00:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I feel strongly that we need to keep the callsign and the brand name quite separate in the infobox. I'd be completely okay with adding a "callsign" field as it's clearer than the potentially ambiguous "name" field but let's leave "branding" alone. - Dravecky (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Dravecky, the top of the infobox should be the callsign, leave the branding to the branding section. - NeutralHomerTalk 02:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I proposed what I did, however, is that outside of North America, many radio stations don't have callsigns. So if we rename "name =" to "callsign =" without doing something about "branding =", then radio stations outside of North America end up with no names on top of their infoboxes at all. But if we add "callsign =" without doing something about "name =", then we end up with two fields competing for top-of-box status. Bearcat (talk) 03:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WHat if we relocate branding directly under where "name" is now (and "callsign" would be) so if a station has only a callsign then only the callsign is displayed, if a station only has a branding ID then only the branding is displayed, and if both fields are filled in then "callsign" goes on the top line and "branding" is on the line under it. - Dravecky (talk) 04:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of English (UK) stations, they use the branding at the top of the Infobox. On Australia stations, it is the Callsign (like on US stations). So...UK, Branding....US/Aussie, Callsign. - NeutralHomerTalk 05:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's kind of what I meant, yeah :-) Bearcat (talk) 15:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good generally. However, "branding" sounds so cheap and trendy. How about "Common name"? Korky Day (talk) 18:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That sound so... common. Branding is the industry accepted term. - Dravecky (talk) 02:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You must be young. Common is a good thing, like the common good. Like common noun. To me, a brand is a line of products with one "brand" on them, like the Cheerios brand made by the company General Foods. Co-op Radio is not the brand of some bigger entity, so it doesn't really apply except in the new over-trendy-sounding (to people like me) way people like you are trying to spread. Maybe I've already lost but it just doesn't seem right for us to use so many fad words in an encyclopedia. Korky Day (talk) 18:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:FMBlogger has been warned to stop

To all who have been iritated by this user, he has been warned and reported to the Administator's Notice Board. Thanks. --RoomDownUnitStage (talk) 01:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK I've stopped. If you want, just delete all of my work and close my account. I don't care anymore. --FMBlogger (talk) 01:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ignore RDUS. Corvus cornixtalk 06:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Format Page

I have created a new page for the Full Service radio format (local news, local talk, music, information, etc). It needs work (obviously) but it is a format used 'round the country and it needed more than one section on a semi-disambig page. - NeutralHomerTalk 02:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Naming of articles with frequency and name

I was recently looking through Category:Eastbourne (my home town), and noticed a stub for "107.5 Sovereign Radio"; among other cleanup, I have now moved the page to Sovereign Radio. Although the logo (and, I expect, the jingles) say "107.5 Sovereign Radio", this is purely to draw attention to the frequency, and is not used as the brand name in prose, for instance on the station's official site. Interestingly, there wasn't even a redirect at Sovereign Radio, causing unnecessary red links.

It seems that there are a few other articles around with similar names (see e.g. 105.*,106.*,107.*) and it would be a good idea for this WikiProject to agree naming conventions, as with the use of call-signs in the US etc.

My own twofour pence are:

  1. Such names should not in general be the primary article name, unless the frequency is truly an intrinsic part of the branding.
  2. It might be useful to have redirects in place for the obvious alternatives (e.g. 107.5 Sovereign Radio)
  3. If there are exceptions where the frequency belongs in the article name, make sure there is a redirect (or disambig page) at the name without the frequency.
  4. Frequencies should not be used to disambiguate, as seems to have happened with Arrow FM; while "107.8 Arrow FM" is certainly less ambiguous in this case, that doesn't make it a good article name. Something like Arrow FM (Hastings radio station), though awkward, would fit much better with normal naming policy. (And, per 2 above, 107.8 Arrow FM would still be a good redirect to have around).

Thoughts? - IMSoP (talk) 19:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to agree, from experience with the database of a well known Internet Radio company, it can be annoying looking for the name of a station only to find it's under the frequency. I would welcome the above suggestion, though some investigative work may have to be done for defunct stations (ie. 102.2 Jazz FM). The only thing I would change is instead of having Arrow FM (Hastings radio station), I would just use the coverage area - ie. Arrow FM (Hastings) or whilst were on the theme of The Local Radio Company, instead of Jazz FM (UK radio station) there is Jazz FM (UK) (as the plan is for the jazzfm.com article come October 6). I would find that a lot less "awkward" than your suggestion. --tgheretford (talk) 20:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation

As some of you know, I've been spending the last couple of months on trying to clean up all the incoming links to the disambiguation pages that include radio and TV call signs. I'm all but done now, and I'm left with 115 or so that I haven't been able to crack. So, I thought I'd present them here and at the TV stations project and see if anyone can help get to the bottom. I've collected them in a list at Call sign disambiguation. Happy hunting! Mlaffs (talk) 20:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Program Schedules

Here is how I feel the program schedules should be allowed to be also. I think we should just have a simple list and maybe put up links for the DJ's on the website. Adding things that a DJ does would be a waste in some aspects because asome stations do nothing really big after the morning show. They may do like commercial free hours or something like that. so some stations would not have anything to write about. Another possability is make a page for every DJ or show @ the station.--JoeCool950 (talk) 18:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is my feeling, so that you know my take on it, I feel that it should be in a pose, because you can add more stuff to a pose, and the other way, as a list wouldn't make since at all and be easy to confuse, if your just reading about the radio station for the first time. If anyone agrees, let me know also.--JoeCool950 (talk) 06:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

I feel that the introduction should be allowed to be like this also Please give me your input, or allow it  :

Orginal example introduction

KLMN (102.3 FM "The Illuminator") is a radio station broadcasting an oldies format. Licensed to the suburb of Smallville, USA, it serves the Metropolis metropolitan area. It first began broadcasting in 1933 under the call sign KRYP. The station is currently owned by Lexcorp

Example that should be considered good also

KLMN (102.3 FM) is a radio station broadcasting an oldies format. Licensed to the suburb of Smallville, USA, it serves the Metropolis metropolitan area. It first began broadcasting in 1933 under the call sign KRYP. The station is currently owned by Lexcorp and is branded as The Illuminator

Please give me your input or allow it, if we know the branding for the radio station. Thanks.--JoeCool950 (talk) 02:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those are both fine. Personally, I'd prefer if every radio station article doesn't look like a damned clone of the same template copied a million times over. JPG-GR (talk) 04:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Having the first couple of sentences standardized still allows for infinite variety in the body of the article. A single, clean method of delivering this basic information allows for greater reading comprehension and easier access by the vast majority of readers. Also, since this discussion has hardly reached consensus yet, I'm reverting the changes to the project page until such time as an actual consensus is reached. - Dravecky (talk) 06:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine Dravecky. I fixed KVMX for the second one that was fine, but reverted it back to how you had it until a consensus is met. Even put that in the summary that I reverted it back until consensus is met. JPG-GR, if that's o.k. let's put it in the introduction.--JoeCool950 (talk) 06:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's important is that all of the relevant information be in the lead paragraph, and that it be precise and accurate. It does not matter what order these elements are in, nor how the sentences are structured. 121a0012 (talk) 04:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WCAS (AM) page

WCAS (AM) is a defunct radio station. Would it be able to be moved to WCAS (defunct)? Thanks in advance.Stereorock (talk) 01:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is not a defunct radio station. It is the station which is now called WJIB and should be merged into the history section of that article. 121a0012 (talk) 03:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, it should be merged to WJIB. - NeutralHomerTalk • October 13, 2008 @ 03:17
I've added the appropriate merge-to/merge-from tags to these articles. - Dravecky (talk) 10:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]