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===[[Irish E-Sports]]===
A '''wool church''' is an [[England|English]] [[Church (building)|church]] built primarily from the proceeds of the [[Middle Ages|mediaeval]] [[wool]] trade. Wool churches are common in the [[Cotswolds]] and in [[East Anglia]], where enormous profits from the wool business spurred construction of ever-grander edifices.
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Irish gaming clan. Supported by a couple of websites, but I wouldn't call them reliable independent sources, and I don't think the article demonstrates this group's notability. [[User:NawlinWiki|NawlinWiki]] ([[User talk:NawlinWiki|talk]]) 18:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
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*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Deletion|list of video game related deletions]]. [[User:MrKIA11|MrKIA11]] ([[User talk:MrKIA11|talk]]) 18:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)</small>


The church at [[Long Melford]], Suffolk, is widely regarded as one of the finest wool churches in England. Built largely from 1467-1497, Holy Trinity contains magnificent stained glass from the fifteenth century, the Clopton family chantry chapel and the soaring Lady Chapel, which extends at Holy Trinity's east end.<ref>[http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/Longmelford.htm Holy Trinity Church, Long Melford, Suffolk, suffolkchurches.co.uk]</ref> The [[Flushwork]] employed by the builders of Holy Trinity is some of the finest in England. The church stands as testimony to the wool business and its dizzying success in medieval times.<ref>[http://www.stedmundsbury.anglican.org/longmelford/ web site of Holy Trinity, Church, Long Melford, Suffolk]</ref>
*'''Delete''': Fails notability. --[[User:SkyWalker|SkyWalker]] ([[User talk:SkyWalker|talk]]) 19:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Southwold01.jpg|thumb|Roof of St. Edmund's Church, Southwold, Suffolk]]
*'''Delete''', fails notability.--[[User:Boffob|Boffob]] ([[User talk:Boffob|talk]]) 21:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Another grand Suffolk wool church is St. Edmund in [[Southwold]], which boasts extraordinary painted chancel screens<ref>[http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/Southwold.htm St. Edmund, Southwold, photos, suffolkchurches.co.uk]</ref>, although nearly all the medieval stained glass is gone, thanks to zealous Puritans during Cromwell's reign. Ironically, Peter Hobart, who served as assistant vicar of St. Edmunds following his graduation from [[Magdalen College, Cambridge]], later left Suffolk for the Puritan [[Massachusetts Bay Colony]], where Hobart became the first pastor of [[Old Ship Church]] in Hingham, Massachusetts, the oldest church in continuous use in the [[United States]].
(A more vivid contrast to England's wool churches can hardly be imagined. Old Ship Church is a hand-hewn wooden structure with a modified [[Hammerbeam]] roof and not a shard of stained glass in sight.)<ref>In its Puritan ascetism and stripped down form, devoid of ornamentation of any sort, [[Old Ship Church]] could be called the 'anti-wool church.' In that most of the citizens of HIngham, Massachusetts, were former East Anglians, the message their house of worship sent was stark. There was no stained glass for these Puritans to shatter, no marble effegies to blast. 'This is a new place,' the sleek wooden shell suggests, 'with new rules. This is a game-changer.' Little did they know it, but these severe Massachusetts Bay burghers might have been the Frank Gehrys of their day.</ref>


St. Agnes's Church at [[Cawston, Norfolk]] is also well-known as a "wool church." Its fifteenth century nave and western tower were financed by Michael de la Pole, [[Earl of Suffolk]], who had grown rich from the wool business. Typical of a 'wool church,' St. Agnes's scale is far grander than what the modest medieval village required. And the Earl of Suffolk spared no expense in embellishing the interior: the de la Pole crest is carved above the entrance; [[French]] stone was used for the tower and nave; the roof, athough the typical wooden East Anglian style, is an elaborate hammerbeam confection with elaborate angels curving off the beam ends, and a trio of angels on outstretched wings hovering over each clerestory window.<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=HrzPlqLjR1MC&pg=PA246&dq=%22wool+church%22+suffolk&ei=k4TxSP2cJZH2sQP6muHZBg&sig=ACfU3U26XYpiGOspGHf5SqlsRNYOaxuN6gA World History of Architecture, Marian Moffett, Michael Fazio, Lawrence Wodehouse, McGraw-Hill Professional, New York, 2003]</ref>
* '''Delete''' nn [[User:Clubmarx|Clubmarx]] ([[User talk:Clubmarx|talk]]) 22:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' My definition of notability is Something worthy of note, so therefore being the largest and currently most competitivly successful online gaming clan in Ireland and independantly hosting over 10% of that countries online gaming servers is worthy of note. With first place finishes in 2 of the 3 big tournaments at the largest lan events held in Ireland this year and last Irish E Sports displays all the criteria to be of note in the gaming community [[User:Dixy79|Dixy79]] ([[User talk:Dixy79|talk]]) 23:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC) {{SPA|Dixy79}}
Clearly in East Anglian medieval times, sheep were next to Godliness -- or at least they furnished the currency for architectural atonement.
*'''Keep''' By claiming not notable you're denying the existence of gaming in Ireland by removing a fore running group in Irish organised gaming [[User:Polar ice|PolarIce]] ([[User talk:Polar ice|talk]]) 23:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::: '''Comment''' This page has been protected from speedy deletion twice by {{admin|Jerry}} and {{admin|SoWhy}} within the last two weeks. See [[Talk:Irish_E-Sports]] --- [[User:Polar ice|PolarIce]] ([[User talk:Polar ice|talk]]) 00:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
At. St. Mary's Church at [[Worstead]], Norfolk, the village which gave its name to the cloth, the village church built by local weavers in the fourteenth-century towers over the small community, its tower jutting strikingly above the landscape. In other East Anglian communities, the wealth from wool poured in: [[Wymondham]], [[Diss]], [[Harling]], [[Watton]], [[Horsham]], [[Attleborough]], [[Aylsham]]. The churches basked in the refracted glory of wool wealth. Even in [[Norwich]], which boasts more medieval churches than anywhere in Europe, it was wool money that got the stone lifted, the glass stained and the panels carved. Norfolk wool was best suited to heavier cloth, and so Norwich and Norfolk eventually gained almost a complete monopoly on worstead. Those profits fueled an extraordinary ecclesiastical building boom.
*'''Keep''' Irish eSports are a massive part of the Irish Gaming community and are doing much to push it forward. They run the most popular and best servers in Ireland and also compete well competitively. By claiming not notable you're setting the scene back [[User:Oisinjm|Oisinjm]] ([[User talk:Oisinjm|talk]]) 02:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC) {{SPA|Oisinjm}}
[[Image:Lavenham church of St Peter and St Paul.jpg|thumb|St. Peter and St. Paul, Lavenham, Suffolk]]
*'''Delete''' as failing [[WP:GROUP]] due to the absence of [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to [[WP:VER|verify]] the claims of notability. I would remind Dixy79 and Oisinjm that any discussion of notability should be within the [[WP:NOTE|community definition]], not their own personal ones and to Polar Ice I would point out that to avoid [[WP:CSD#A7|an A7 speedy deletion]] an article only needs to ''assert'' notability however in order to be kept long-term it must be [[WP:VER|shown]] to meet the specific community guidelines.[[User:Nancy|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;color:#FF6600;font-size:14px">Nancy</span>]][[User talk:Nancy|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;font-size:14px"><sup> talk</sup></span>]] 05:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
At [[Lavenham]], Suffolk, the striking Perpendicular church is one of England's largest parish churches. With its monumental flint and limestone tower, the Church of Saint Peter and Saint Paul, largely rebuilt in the fifteenth century in the prevailing style, dominates the small weaving village. Although financed largely by two families, the message sent by the church -- and others like it -- was simple. Wool was king.
*'''Delete''' of note in the gaming community might make it suitable for a game website. But at Wikipedia, there is a [[WP:GNG|notability guideline]] that requires coverage in reliable third-party sources to be considered suitable for inclusion. Without such sources, the article cannot meet our standards. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 07:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' seems to be much more notable than your average gaming clan but still, the only mentions of this group are on gaming websites of dubious notability. <font color="#708090">[[user:Icewedge#|''Icewedge'']]</font> (<font color="2F4F4F">[[user talk:icewedge|''talk'']]</font>) 07:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
==References==
*Keep: By deleting this page you are denying notability to gaming related topics in general. {{unsigned|Dark10101}} <sub>(comment moved from talk page [[User:Nancy|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;color:#FF6600;font-size:14px">Nancy</span>]][[User talk:Nancy|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;font-size:14px"><sup> talk</sup></span>]] 10:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC))</sub>. {{SPA|Dark10101}}
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Holy Trinity Church, Long Melford, Suffolk, a classic wool church

A wool church is an English church built primarily from the proceeds of the mediaeval wool trade. Wool churches are common in the Cotswolds and in East Anglia, where enormous profits from the wool business spurred construction of ever-grander edifices.

The church at Long Melford, Suffolk, is widely regarded as one of the finest wool churches in England. Built largely from 1467-1497, Holy Trinity contains magnificent stained glass from the fifteenth century, the Clopton family chantry chapel and the soaring Lady Chapel, which extends at Holy Trinity's east end.[1] The Flushwork employed by the builders of Holy Trinity is some of the finest in England. The church stands as testimony to the wool business and its dizzying success in medieval times.[2]

Roof of St. Edmund's Church, Southwold, Suffolk

Another grand Suffolk wool church is St. Edmund in Southwold, which boasts extraordinary painted chancel screens[3], although nearly all the medieval stained glass is gone, thanks to zealous Puritans during Cromwell's reign. Ironically, Peter Hobart, who served as assistant vicar of St. Edmunds following his graduation from Magdalen College, Cambridge, later left Suffolk for the Puritan Massachusetts Bay Colony, where Hobart became the first pastor of Old Ship Church in Hingham, Massachusetts, the oldest church in continuous use in the United States. (A more vivid contrast to England's wool churches can hardly be imagined. Old Ship Church is a hand-hewn wooden structure with a modified Hammerbeam roof and not a shard of stained glass in sight.)[4]

St. Agnes's Church at Cawston, Norfolk is also well-known as a "wool church." Its fifteenth century nave and western tower were financed by Michael de la Pole, Earl of Suffolk, who had grown rich from the wool business. Typical of a 'wool church,' St. Agnes's scale is far grander than what the modest medieval village required. And the Earl of Suffolk spared no expense in embellishing the interior: the de la Pole crest is carved above the entrance; French stone was used for the tower and nave; the roof, athough the typical wooden East Anglian style, is an elaborate hammerbeam confection with elaborate angels curving off the beam ends, and a trio of angels on outstretched wings hovering over each clerestory window.[5]

Clearly in East Anglian medieval times, sheep were next to Godliness -- or at least they furnished the currency for architectural atonement.

At. St. Mary's Church at Worstead, Norfolk, the village which gave its name to the cloth, the village church built by local weavers in the fourteenth-century towers over the small community, its tower jutting strikingly above the landscape. In other East Anglian communities, the wealth from wool poured in: Wymondham, Diss, Harling, Watton, Horsham, Attleborough, Aylsham. The churches basked in the refracted glory of wool wealth. Even in Norwich, which boasts more medieval churches than anywhere in Europe, it was wool money that got the stone lifted, the glass stained and the panels carved. Norfolk wool was best suited to heavier cloth, and so Norwich and Norfolk eventually gained almost a complete monopoly on worstead. Those profits fueled an extraordinary ecclesiastical building boom.

St. Peter and St. Paul, Lavenham, Suffolk

At Lavenham, Suffolk, the striking Perpendicular church is one of England's largest parish churches. With its monumental flint and limestone tower, the Church of Saint Peter and Saint Paul, largely rebuilt in the fifteenth century in the prevailing style, dominates the small weaving village. Although financed largely by two families, the message sent by the church -- and others like it -- was simple. Wool was king.

References

  1. ^ Holy Trinity Church, Long Melford, Suffolk, suffolkchurches.co.uk
  2. ^ web site of Holy Trinity, Church, Long Melford, Suffolk
  3. ^ St. Edmund, Southwold, photos, suffolkchurches.co.uk
  4. ^ In its Puritan ascetism and stripped down form, devoid of ornamentation of any sort, Old Ship Church could be called the 'anti-wool church.' In that most of the citizens of HIngham, Massachusetts, were former East Anglians, the message their house of worship sent was stark. There was no stained glass for these Puritans to shatter, no marble effegies to blast. 'This is a new place,' the sleek wooden shell suggests, 'with new rules. This is a game-changer.' Little did they know it, but these severe Massachusetts Bay burghers might have been the Frank Gehrys of their day.
  5. ^ World History of Architecture, Marian Moffett, Michael Fazio, Lawrence Wodehouse, McGraw-Hill Professional, New York, 2003