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[[Image:Marche sel.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Gandhi on the Salt March]] |
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The '''Salt Satyagraha''' was a campaign of non-violent protest against the British salt tax in colonial India which began with the '''Salt March to Dandi''' on March 12, 1930. It was the first act of organized opposition to British rule after ''[[Purna Swaraj]]'', the declaration of independence by the [[Indian National Congress]]. [[Mahatma Gandhi]] led the Dandi march from his [[Sabarmati Ashram]] to [[Dandi, Gujarat]] to make salt, with growing numbers of Indians joining him along the way. When Gandhi broke the salt laws in Dandi at the conclusion of the march on April 6, 1930, it sparked large scale acts of civil disobedience against the [[British Raj]] [[history of the British salt tax in India|salt laws]] by millions of Indians.<ref>"Mass civil disobedience throughout India followed as millions broke the salt laws", from Dalton's introduction to Gandhi's ''Civil Disobedience''. Gandhi & Dalton, 1996, p. 72.</ref> |
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:<i>Not by much, surprizingly, but enough that old modem users would still prefer it. It's almost always the case, though, that PNG is not efficient for photographic images--and wasn't intended to be. I'm the person who invented the adaptive-prefiltering compression technique that PNG uses, and it was optimized for iconic drawings (altough we tried to make sure it wasn't too bad for photos either). JPEG is almost always the best format for photographs.</i> |
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Gandhi was arrested on May 5, 1930, just days before his planned raid on the Dharasana Salt Works. The Dandi March and the ensuing [[Dharasana Satyagraha]] drew worldwide attention to the [[Indian independence movement]] through extensive newspaper and newsreel coverage. The [[satyagraha]] against the salt tax continued for almost a year, ending with Gandhi's release from jail and negotiations with [[Viceroy]] [[Lord Irwin]] at the Second [[Round Table Conference]].<ref>Dalton, p. 92.</ref> Over 80,000 Indians were jailed as a result of the Salt Satyagraha.<ref>Johnson, p. 234.</ref> The campaign had a significant effect on changing world and British attitudes toward Indian independence,<ref>Johnson, p. 37.</ref><ref>Ackerman & DuVall, p. 109.</ref> and caused large numbers of Indians to actively join the fight for the first time, but failed to win major concessions from the British.<ref>Ackerman & DuVall, pp. 106.</ref> |
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My picture was 64 gray levels to optimize size I believed ther will be no reel difference. |
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The Salt Satyagraha campaign was based upon Gandhi's principles of non-violent protest called ''satyagraha'', which he loosely translated as "truth-force."<ref>"Its root meaning is holding onto truth, hence truth-force. I have also called it Love-force or Soul-force." Gandhi (2001), p. 6.</ref> In early 1930 the Indian National Congress chose satyagraha as their main tactic for winning Indian independence from British rule and appointed Gandhi to organize the campaign. Gandhi chose the 1882 British Salt Act as the first target of satyagraha. The Salt March to Dandi, and the beating of hundreds of non-violent protesters in Dharasana, demonstrated the effective use of civil disobedience as a technique for fighting social and political injustice.<ref>Martin, p. 35.</ref> The satyagraha teachings of Gandhi and the March to Dandi had a significant influence on American civil rights activist [[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], and his fight for civil rights for blacks and other minority groups in the 1960's.<ref>King, p. 23.</ref> |
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:<i>That's why the saving wasn't as dramatic, then. But it still went from over 40k down to 16k, and that's not insignificant.</i> |
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==Declaration of Independence== |
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{{main|Purna Swaraj}} |
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[[Image:Mahatma & Sarojini Naidu 1930.JPG|thumb|right|[[Mahatma Gandhi]] and [[Sarojini Naidu]] during the March.]] |
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At midnight on December 31, 1929, the [[Indian National Congress]] raised the tricolour flag of India on the banks of the [[Ravi River|Ravi]] at [[Lahore]]. The Indian National Congress, led by Gandhi and [[Jawaharlal Nehru]], publicly issued the Declaration of Independence, or ''Purna Swaraj'', on January 26, 1930.<ref>"The pledge was taken publicly on January 26, 1930, thereafter celebrated annually as Purna Swaraj Day." Wolpert, 2001, p. 141.</ref> The declaration included the readiness to withhold taxes, and the statement: |
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<blockquote>We believe that it is the inalienable right of the Indian people, as of any other people, to have freedom and to enjoy the fruits of their toil and have the necessities of life, so that they may have full opportunities of growth. We believe also that if any government deprives a people of these rights and oppresses them the people have a further right to alter it or abolish it. The British government in India has not only deprived the Indian people of their freedom but has based itself on the exploitation of the masses, and has ruined India economically, politically, culturally and spiritually. We believe therefore, that India must sever the British connection and attain ''Purna Swaraj'' or complete independence.<ref>Wolpert, 1999, p. 204.</ref></blockquote> |
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Lee - what do we do when people are obviously ignoring our image use policy and not responding to requests for copyright information? --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] |
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:<i>I haven't seen any major problems yet, but if you can't figure out any way to reach someone, deleting an image or two usually gets their attention. BTW, it's quite likely that unknown uploaders are Polish/German/French wikipedians (I found Aioneko at fr, for example) so that might be another place to look. Who are you worried about?</i> -- Lee |
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The [[Congress Working Committee]] gave Gandhi the responsibility for organizing the first act of [[civil disobedience]], with Congress itself ready to take charge after Gandhi's expected arrest.<ref>Ackerman & DuVall, p. 83.</ref> Gandhi's plan was to begin civil disobedience with a satyagraha aimed at the [[History of the British salt tax in India|British salt tax]]. The 1882 Salt Act gave the British a monopoly on the collection and manufacture of salt, limiting its handling to government salt depots and levying a salt tax.<ref>Dalton, p. 91.</ref> Violation of the Salt Act was a criminal offense. Even though salt was freely available to those living on the coast, Indians were forced to purchase it from the colonial government. |
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[[user:Dwhitney]] just uploaded an image of a engine block with no copyright info that looks like it is a scan from a cars manual. [[user:Isis]] is uploading many images -- none of which seem to have copyright info (including videotape covers). I'm also wary about the overuse of fair use -- our previous image use policy was to ''only'' accept public domain images and those covered by an acceptable open content license. This allowed somebody to copy the text and the article by using similar licenses. Now we have sound clips. If anything we need to have a very clear statement that the ''text'' of Wikipedia is covered by the GNU FDL but any images or other files may be owned by others who have not placed their work under an open content license. We are probably OK because we are using this stuff for educational purposes -- but others copying our material and trying to abide by our license may want to sell this stuff. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] |
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Gandhi's choice of the salt tax was met with incredulity by the Working Committee of the Congress,<ref>Dalton, p. 100.</ref><ref>"Nehru, who had been skeptical about salt as the primary focus of the campaign, realized how wrong he was..." Johnson, p. 32.</ref> though Gandhi had his reasons for choosing the salt tax. The salt tax was a deeply symbolic choice, since salt was used by nearly everyone in India. It represented 8.2% of the British Raj tax revenue, and most significantly hurt the poorest Indians the most.<ref>Gandhi & Dalton, 1996, p. 72.</ref> Gandhi felt that this protest would dramatize Purna Swaraj in a way that was meaningful to the lowliest Indians. He also reasoned that it would build unity between Hindus and Muslims by fighting a wrong that touched them equally.<ref>Ackerman & DuVall, p. 83.</ref> |
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:<i>Dwhitney was only a few ours ago. I just contacted him (he has a valid e=mail address), so give him some time to respond. Isis is a special case. She has a valid e-mail address as well, and has been very cooperative when contacted (Jimbo and I have been talking to her about helping form the non-profit). She is also a lawyer with IP experience, so she knows what she's talking about. I agree that we would certainly prefer images in the PD or licensed under appropriate terms rather than ones used under "fair use"--as you say, it means that people copying Wikipedia articles won't necessarily be able to copy the images that accompany them unless they too follow fair use guidelines, whereas our text has no such restrictions. Most of Kay's stuff is old enough to have fallen out of copyright, but obviously the videotape covers and such haven't.</i> |
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==Satyagraha== |
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[[Image:Gandhi Salt March.jpg|thumb|200px|Gandhi on the Salt March, [[Sarojini Naidu]] on the right.]] |
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Mahatma Gandhi, along with many members of the Congress Party, had a long-standing commitment to non-violent civil disobedience, which he termed ''satyagraha'', as the basis for achieving Indian independence.<ref>"Gandhi's ideas about satyagraha and swaraj, moreover, galvanized the thinking of Congress cadres, most of whom by 1930 were committed to pursuing independence by non-violent means." Ackerman & DuVall, p. 108.</ref><ref>Dalton, pp. 9-10.</ref> Referring to the relationship between ''satyagraha'' and ''Purna Swaraj'', Gandhi saw "an inviolable connection between the means and the end as there is between the seed and the tree."<ref>From ''Hind Swaraj'', Gandhi & Dalton, p. 15.</ref> He wrote, "If the means employed are impure, the change will not be in the direction of progress but very likely in the opposite. Only a change brought about in our political condition by pure means can lead to real progress."<ref>Forward to volume of Gokhale's speeches, ''"Gopal Krishna Gokahalenan Vyakhyanao"'' from Johnson, p. 118.</ref> |
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:<i>I think the "fair use" material is so valuable to some of the articles, though, that it would be a shame to get rid of it, so I think you're right that a stronger statement should be made on the copyright pages that only our text is covered by the GFDL, and images might have different terms. I just can't imagine any reasonable coverage of the [[The Beatles (album)|white album]], for example, without letting readers hear the amazing diversity of arrangements and subjects for themselves.</i> |
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[[Satyagraha]] is a synthesis of the Sanskrit words ''Satya'' (truth) and ''Agraha'' (holding firmly to). For Gandhi, satyagraha went far beyond mere "passive resistance" and became strength in practicing non-violent methods. In his words: |
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<blockquote>Truth (satya) implies love, and firmness (agraha) engenders and therefore serves as a synonym for force. I thus began to call the Indian movement Satyagraha, that is to say, the Force which is born of Truth and Love or non-violence, and gave up the use of the phrase “passive resistance”, in connection with it, so much so that even in English writing we often avoided it and used instead the word “satyagraha”....<ref>''Satyagraha in South Africa, 1926'' from Johnson, p. 73.</ref></blockquote> |
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:<i>In a way, including such material actually helps our cause a bit: for example, we would like for other non-profit educational sites to use our material. They would have an equal fair use claim to us, so they could take our material in toto. But a for-profit site that we might not want to use our material might not qualify for the same fair use exception, and so could only use our text.</i> |
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==Preparing to march== |
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On February 5, newspapers reported that Gandhi would begin civil disobedience by defying the salt laws. The salt satyagraha would begin on March 12 and end in Dandi with Gandhi breaking the salt act on April 6. Gandhi chose April 6 to launch the mass breaking of the salt laws for a symbolic reason—it was the first day of "National Week", begun in 1919 when Gandhi conceived of the national [[hartal]] (strike) against the [[Rowlatt Act]].<ref>Dalton, p. 113.</ref> |
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:<i>In any case, I think you're right that a more detailed statement is needed, probably both on [[wikipedia:copyrights]] and [[wikipedia:image use policy]].</i> |
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Gandhi prepared the worldwide media for the march by issuing regular statements from Sabarmati, at his regular prayer meetings and through direct contact with the press. Expectations were heightened by his repeated statements anticipating arrest, and his increasingly dramatic language as the hour approached: "We are entering upon a life and death struggle, a holy war; we are performing an all-embracing sacrifice in which we wish to offer ourselves as oblation."<ref>Dalton, p. 108.</ref> Correspondents from dozens of Indian, European, and American newspapers, along with film companies, responded to the drama and began actively covering the event.<ref>Dalton, p. 107.</ref> |
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::Maybe I'm just thick-headed, but how, legally, are images different from ASCII-encoded text as far as our license goes? --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 17:29 Aug 31, 2002 (PDT) |
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For the march itself, Gandhi wanted the strictest discipline and adherence to satyagraha and ahimsa. For that reason, he recruited the marchers not from Congress Party members, but from the residents of his own ashram, who were trained in Gandhi's strict standards of discipline.<ref>Dalton, p. 104.</ref> The 23 day march would pass through 4 districts and 48 villages. The route of the march, along with each evening's stopping place, was planned ahead of time based on recruitment potential, past contacts, and timing. Gandhi sent scouts to each village ahead of the march so he could plan his talks at each resting place, based on the needs of the local residents.<ref>Dalton, p. 105.</ref> Events at each village were scheduled and publicized in Indian and foreign press.<ref>Ackerman & DuVall, p.85.</ref> |
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LDC - I really like your rewrite of the [[Social Darwinism]] article. It reads much better now, the flow of ideas is much more streamlined, and the differences with and confusion with sociobiology are well highlighted. Kudos! [[User:-- April|-- April]] |
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{{wikisourcepar|First Letter to Lord Irwin|Full text of Gandhi's letter to Lord Irwin}}On March 2, 1930 Gandhi wrote to the [[Viceroy]], [[Lord Irwin]], offering to stop the march if Irwin met eleven demands, including reduction of land revenue assessments, cutting military spending, imposing a tariff on foreign cloth, and abolishing the salt tax.<ref>Ackerman & DuVall, p. 83.</ref> His strongest appeal to Irwin regarded the salt tax: |
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<blockquote>If my letter makes no appeal to your heart, on the eleventh day of this month I shall proceed with such co-workers of the Ashram as I can take, to disregard the provisions of the Salt Laws. I regard this tax to be the most iniquitous of all from the poor man's standpoint. As the Independence movement is essentially for the poorest in the land, the beginning will be made with this evil.<ref>''Gandhi's letter to Irwin'', Gandhi & Dalton, 1996, p. 78.</ref></blockquote> |
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Odd question. Under the Berne Convention, anything is copyright once it's in a fixed medium. Under the DMCA, if you bypass encryption to access a copyrighted file, you break the law. I write you an email using GPG, you decrypt it, you violate the DMCA (the email is copyright me, unless I explicitly disclaim copyright--J.D. Salinger set a precedent on this one in re: personal letters he'd sent a friend, who gave them to an author who wanted to publish them in a book on Salinger). Therefore the DMCA explodes either itself or copyright--nothing copyright can be decrypted without violating the DMCA, or encryption itself is illegal (including for DVDs). I must be missing something. [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|--KQ]] 03:37 Sep 20, 2002 (UTC) |
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:Yes, the contents of mail is copyrighted by the sender, but the very act of mailing should be an obvious expression of intent that the recipient read it--that's the whole purpose. The DMCA only outlaws "bypassing access controls" for ''unintended'' accesses; it certainly doesn't apply to playing a legally-bought DVD on a legally-bought DVD player, or reading your own mail, both of which require decryption as the copyright holder intended. It would be illegal for ''me'' to read your mail, or even for me to sell a program that allowed some third party to read your mail. |
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{{wikisourcepar|On The Eve of Dandi March|Gandhi's speech on the eve of the Dandi March}}Irwin did not take the threat of a salt protest seriously, writing to London, "At present the prospect of a salt campaign does not keep me awake at night."<ref>Letter to London on February 20, 1930. Ackerman & DuVall, p.84.</ref> After the Viceroy ignored the letter and refused to meet with Gandhi, the march was set in motion.<ref>Majmudar, p. 184.</ref> The eve of the march brought thousands of Indians to Sabarmati to hear Gandhi speak at the regular evening prayer. An American academic writing for [[The Nation]] reported that "60,000 persons gathered on the bank of the river to hear Gandhi's call to arms. This call to arms was perhaps the most remarkable call to war that has ever been made."<ref>Herbert A. Miller, ''Gandhi's Campaign Begins'', The Nation, April 23, 1930. Dalton, p. 107.</ref> |
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::Hm, I knew that seemed too easy. So if I understand it correctly, the DMCA just ... uh ... doesn't make much sense. You could be prosecuted for breaking rot13 on a message? [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|--KQ]] |
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==March to Dandi== |
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Lee, I and 128.whoever went back and forth on the vandalism in progress page also, but of us changing unattributed comments about 128's actions and motives (at the first bullet about him), so that may be what he's thinking of. At one point I removed the "he is otherwise rational" bit and the part about his comment to Brion, thinking that might calm him down. In retrospect I probably shouldn't have--it may not have been signed, but it was still someone else's comment. I've also reverted tarquin's comment at the second bullet after 128 changed it. [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|--KQ]] 18:30 Oct 2, 2002 (UTC) |
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:Fair enough. I should have signed the comment, and maybe it was ruder than necessary. And removing a comment (or even editing one for grammar, putting *** over profanity, or other kinds of edits) is far, far, different from changing it to something else. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] |
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[[Image:Salt March.jpg|thumb|200px|Gandhi at Dandi, April 5, 1930, picking up a lump of salty mud.]] |
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On March 12, 1930, Gandhi and 78 male satyagrahis set out on foot for the coastal village of [[Dandi, Gujarat]], {{convert|390|km|mi|lk=on}} from their starting point at [[Sabarmati Ashram]]. According to [[The Statesman]], the official government newspaper which usually played down the size of crowds at Gandhi's functions, 100,000 people crowded the road that separated Sabarmati from [[Ahmedabad]].<ref>Weber, p. 140.</ref><ref>''The Statesman'', March 13, 1930.</ref> The first day's march of {{convert|21|km|mi|lk=on}} ended in the village of Aslali, where Gandhi spoke to a crowd of about 4,000. At Aslali, and the other villages that the march passed through, volunteers collected donations, registered new satyagrahis, and received resignations from village officials who chose to end cooperation with British rule.<ref>Weber, pp. 143-144.</ref> |
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As they entered each village, crowds greeted the marchers, beating drums and cymbals. Gandhi gave speeches attacking the salt tax as inhuman, and the salt satyagraha as a "poor man's battle." Each night they slept in the open, asking of the villagers nothing more than simple food and a place to rest and wash. Gandhi felt that this would bring the poor into the battle for independence, necessary for eventual victory.<ref>Ackerman & DuVall, p. 86.</ref> |
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I wonder if you have been keeping an eye on the [[Aria Giovanni]] talk webpage. The situation there is out of control. |
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Thousands of satyagrahis and leaders like [[Sarojini Naidu]] joined him. Every day, more and more people joined the march. At Surat, they were greeted by 30,000 people. When they reached the railhead at Dandi, more than 50,000 were gathered. Gandhi gave interviews and wrote articles along the way. Foreign journalists made him a household name in Europe and America.<ref>"Three Bombay cinema companies sent crews along to shoot newsreel footage, and foreign journalists turned Gandhi into a household name in Europe and America. (At the end of 1930, Time magazine made him "Man of the Year")." Ackerman & DuVall, p. 86.</ref> The [[New York Times]] wrote almost daily about the Salt March, including two front page articles on April 6 and April 7.<ref>Dalton, p, 221.</ref> Near the end of the march, Gandhi declared, "I want world sympathy in this battle of Right against Might."<ref>From ''Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi'' 43: 180, Wolpert, p. 148</ref> |
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Matters have deteriorated to a highly abusive level over a website link. Of special concern is the general conduct and attitude of someone called NetEsq, who claims in his details to be a lawyer. |
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Upon arriving at the seashore on April 5, Gandhi was interviewed by an [[Associated Press]] reporter. He stated: |
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<blockquote>I cannot withhold my compliments from the government for the policy of complete non interference adopted by them throughout the march .... I wish I could believe this non-interference was due to any real change of heart or policy. The wanton disregard shown by them to popular feeling in the Legislative Assembly and their high-handed action leave no room for doubt that the policy of heartless exploitation of India is to be persisted in at any cost, and so the only interpretation I can put upon this non-interference is that the British Government, powerful though it is, is sensitive to world opinion which will not tolerate repression of extreme political agitation which civil disobedience undoubtedly is, so long as disobedience remains civil and therefore necessarily non-violent .... It remains to be seen whether the Government will tolerate as they have tolerated the march, the actual breach of the salt laws by countless people from tomorrow.<ref>Gandhi & Jack, 1994, p. 238-239.</ref></blockquote> |
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He has repeatedly abused anyone who opposed the idea of the website link with such tactics and traits as net misettiquete ( eg the use of the word 'you' in capitals and bold to emphasise shouting), a poor grasp of history, the unrepentant use of such provocative terms as 'Nazi' (which I hope is an example of his poor grasp of history) , out of context quotes and attempted alienation ("only YOU opppose it"). He writes of defending freedom of expression, yet cannot tolerate it from others when they give an opinion he does not like. So far three persons have been under fire by him, with the treatment of one of them especially deplorable. |
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The following morning, after a prayer, Gandhi raised a lump of salty mud and declared, "With this, I am shaking the foundations of the British Empire."<ref>Gandhi & Dalton, 1996, p. 72.</ref> He then boiled it in seawater, producing illegal salt. He implored his thousands of followers to likewise begin making salt along the seashore, "wherever it is convenient" and to instruct villagers in making illegal salt.<ref>Gandhi & Jack, 1994, p. 240.</ref> |
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Regardless of the rights and wrongs of his beliefs, it is very advisable to bring this most unruly and arrogant person into line. |
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==Mass civil disobedience== |
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[[Image:Gandhi Satyagraha.JPG|thumb|250px|Gandhi at a public rally during the Salt Satyagraha.]] |
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[[Image:5 close.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Ghaffar Khan]] with Mahatma Gandhi.]] |
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Mass civil disobedience spread throughout India as millions broke the salt laws by making salt or buying illegal salt.<ref>Gandhi & Dalton, 1996, p. 72.</ref> Salt was sold illegally all over the coast of India. A pinch of salt made by Gandhi himself sold for 1,600 [[rupee]]s (equivalent to $750 dollars at the time). In reaction, the British government incarcerated over sixty thousand people by the end of the month.<ref>Gandhi & Jack, 1994, p. 238-239.</ref> |
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Given that your name is on the list of persons who can ban users (you banned an IP address a while ago, so I assume you're a wikipedia person), I thought it highly advisable to bring this to your attention, before it leads to persons leaving the wikipedia - something likely to stroke Netesq's already aggressive ego. |
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What had begun as a Salt Satyagraha quickly grew into a mass Satyagraha.<ref>"The Salt Satyagraha in the meantime grew almost spontaneously into a mass satyagraha." Habib, p. 57.</ref> British cloth and goods were boycotted. Unpopular forest laws were defied in Maharashtra, Karnataka, and Central Provinces. Gujarati peasants refused to pay tax, under threat of losing their crops and land. In Midnapore, Bengalis took part by refusing to pay the chowkidar tax.<ref>Habib, p. 57.</ref> The British responded with more laws, including censorship of correspondence and declaring the Congress and its associate organizations illegal. None of those measures slowed the civil disobedience movement.<ref>"Correspondence came under censorship, the Congress and its associate organizations were declared illegal, and their funds made subject to seizure. These measures did not appear to have any effect on the movement..." Habib, p. 57.</ref> |
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In [[Peshawar]], [[satyagraha]] was led by a Muslim [[Pashto]] disciple of Gandhi, [[Ghaffar Khan]], who had trained a 50,000 member army of non-violent activists called [[Khudai Khidmatgar]].<ref>Habib, p. 55.</ref> On April 23, 1930, Ghaffar Khan was arrested. A crowd of Khudai Khidmatgar gathered in Peshawar's [[Qissa Khwani bazaar massacre|Kissa Khani (Storytellers) Bazaar]]. The British ordered troops to open fire with machine guns on the unarmed crowd, killing an estimated 200-250.<ref>Habib, p. 56.</ref> The Pashtun satyagrahis acted in accord with their training in non-violence, willingly facing bullets as the troops fired on them.<ref>Johansen, p. 62.</ref> One British Indian Army regiment, troops of the renowned [[The Garhwal Rifles|Royal Garhwal Rifles]], refused to fire at the crowds. The entire platoon was arrested and many received heavy penalties, including life imprisonment.<ref>Habib, p. 56.</ref> |
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Lee, could you kindly take a look at [[User talk:Isis]]? Also, did you ever get a reply from the CIA about using their original artwork for the flag images? Thanks. [[User:Scipius|Scipius]] 22:22 Oct 11, 2002 (UTC) |
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The civil disobedience in 1930 marked the first time women became mass participants in the struggle for freedom. Thousands of women, from large cities to small villages, became active participants in satyagraha.<ref>"...first, it is from this year (1930) that women became mass participants in the struggle for freedom.... But from 1930, that is in the second non-cooperation movement better known as the Civil Disobedience Movement, thousands upon thousands of women in all parts of India, not just in big cities but also in small towns and villages, became part of the satyagraha struggle." Chatterjee, p. 41.</ref> Gandhi had asked that only men take part in the salt march, but eventually women began manufacturing and selling salt throughout India. [[Usha Mehta]], an early Gandhian activist, remarked that "Even our old aunts and great-aunts and grandmothers used to bring pitchers of salt water to their houses and manufacture illegal salt. And then they would shout at the top of their voices: 'We have broken the salt law!'"<ref>Hardiman, p. 113.</ref> The growing number of women in the fight for independence was a "new and serious feature" according to Lord Irwin. A government report on the involvement of women stated "thousands of them emerged....from the seclusion of their homes...in order to join Congress demonstrations and assist in picketing: and their presence on these occasions made the work the police was required to perform particularly unpleasant."<ref>Johnson, p. 33.</ref> |
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You seem like you're knowledgeable about such things. I understand video and book covers can be uploaded as fair use, does the same thing apply to album covers? It seems logical to me, but I thought I should ask you first. [[User:Tokerboy|Tokerboy]] 23:04 Oct 21, 2002 (UTC) |
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:Album covers should indeed be no different under "fair use" doctrine than the video and book covers already here, but the RIAA is a lot nastier about threatening to sue over such things. But they haven't made any noise about our sound clips yet, so either we're still below their radar or else they realize how futile such a suit would be (my guess is the former--the latter would presume some intelligence on their part). |
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There were outbreaks of violence in Kolkata, Karachi, and Gujarat. Unlike his suspension of satyagraha after violence broke out during the Non-cooperation movement, this time Gandhi was "unmoved". Appealing for violence to end, at the same time Gandhi honoured those killed in Chittagong and congratulated their parents "for the finished sacrifices of their sons.... A warrior's death is never a matter for sorrow."<ref>Wolpert, 2001, p. 149.</ref> |
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British documents show that the British government was shaken by satyagraha. Non-violent protest left the British confused about whether or not to jail Gandhi. John Court Curry, a British police officer stationed in India, wrote in his memoirs that he felt nausea every time he dealt with Congress demonstrations in 1930. Curry and others in British government, including [[William Wedgwood Benn, 1st Viscount Stansgate|Wedgwood Benn]], Secretary of State for India, preferred fighting violent rather than non-violent opponents.<ref>Johnson, p. 33.</ref> |
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I can create text files, MySQL databases, excel spreadsheets, word documents, or whatever else you might need to add articles Wikipedia. It would also be grand if you had some way to change the wiki software to accomodate as discussed in the Village Pump. Whatever the case, just get back to me on what to do. I was discussing with Maverick various things on my talk page and you might find some of that interesting as well. I'm not going to run the bot at one article per minute at this point because it is too slow to be practical (see the discussion on my talk page). -- [[User:Ram-Man|Ram-Man]] |
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Clicking on [http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=United_States_Census_Bureau what links to United States Census Bureau?] took 1 minute 20 seconds before any output, and was still rendering three minutes later when I killed it. This looks like a very expensive link to click. [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 08:35 Oct 25, 2002 (UTC) |
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==Aftermath== |
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Gandhi himself avoided further active involvement after the march, though he stayed in close contact with the developments throughout India. He created a temporary ashram near Dandi. From there, he urged women followers in Mumbai to picket liquor shops and foreign cloth. He said that "a bonfire should be made of foreign cloth. Schools and colleges should become empty."<ref>Wolpert, 2001, p. 149.</ref> |
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Other links that I expect to have similar behavior will be the corresponding ones for [[2000]], [[African American]], [[Native Americans|Native American]], [[square kilometre|km²]], and any other pages linked by thousands of Ram-Man's articles. This isn't Ram-Man's fault: the software should be able to cope better with this: perhaps some use of LIMIT in the SQL queries would be useful? [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] |
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For his next major action, Gandhi decided on a raid of the Dharasana Salt Works in [[Gujarat]]. He wrote to Lord Irwin, again telling him of his plans. Around midnight of May 4, as Gandhi was sleeping on a cot in a [[mango]] grove, the District [[Magistrate]] of [[Surat]] drove up with two Indian officers and thirty heavily-armed [[constable]]s.<ref>Gandhi & Jack, 1994, p. 244-245.</ref> He was arrested under an 1827 regulation calling for the jailing of people engaged in unlawful activities, and held without trial near Pune.<ref>Riddick, p. 108.</ref> |
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Yes, it takes a long time to render a page with a lot of links, so a "what links here" page with hundreds of entries will be expensive. You're probably right that it might be worth writing some special-case code for that. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] |
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The [[Dharasana Satyagraha]] went ahead as planned, with [[Abbas Tyabji]], a seventy-six year old retired judge, leading the march with Gandhi's wife [[Kasturba Gandhi|Kasturba]] at his side. Both were arrested before reaching Dharasana and sentenced to three months in prison. After their arrests, the march continued under the leadership of [[Sarojini Naidu]], a woman poet and freedom fighter, who warned the satyagrahis, "You must not use any violence under any circumstances. You will be beaten, but you must not resist: you must not even raise a hand to ward off blows." Soldiers began clubbing the satyagrahis with steel tipped lathis in an incident that attracted international attention.<ref>Ackerman & DuVall, pp. 87-90.</ref> United Press correspondent [[Webb Miller (journalist)|Webb Miller]] reported that: |
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<blockquote>Not one of the marchers even raised an arm to fend off the blows. They went down like ten-pins. From where I stood I heard the sickening whacks of the clubs on unprotected skulls. The waiting crowd of watchers groaned and sucked in their breaths in sympathetic pain at every blow. Those struck down fell sprawling, unconscious or writhing in pain with fractured skulls or broken shoulders. In two or three minutes the ground was quilted with bodies. Great patches of blood widened on their white clothes. The survivors without breaking ranks silently and doggedly marched on until struck down.<ref>''Webb Miller's report from May 21'', Martin, p. 38.</ref></blockquote> |
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I'm suspicious of the validity of adding work to Wikipedia that's not coverable by the GFDL (as described in [[Wikipedia:copyrights]]). Isn't this a basic problem? -[[User:The Cunctator|The Cunctator]] |
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:Text would definitely be a problem, and I think we're pretty clear that we don't want text that isn't free. But images really are a different case; I think "fair use" images are OK, because it's an easy distinction to make, the utility of Wikipedia would suffer greatly if we couldn't use such images, and using such images does not detract from the goal of creating our own text. |
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[[Vithalbhai Patel]], former Speaker of the Assembly, watched the beatings and remarked, "All hope of reconciling India with the British Empire is lost forever."<ref>Wolpert, 2001, p. 155.</ref> Following attempts by the British to censor Miller's story, it eventually appeared in 1,350 newspapers throughout the world, and was read into the official record of the United States Senate.<ref>Miller, p. 198-199.</ref> Salt Satyagraha succeeded in drawing the attention of the world. Millions saw the newsreels showing the march. Time magazine declared Gandhi its 1930 Man of the Year, comparing Gandhi's march to the sea "to defy Britain's salt tax as some New Englanders once defied a British tea tax."<ref>{{cite web| last =Time Magazine | title =Man of the Year, 1930 | publisher =Time| date =1931-01-05 | url=http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,930215,00.html | accessdate =2007-11-17 }}</ref> Civil disobedience continued until early 1931, when Gandhi was finally released from prison to hold talks with Irwin. It was the first time the two held talks on equal terms.<ref>Gandhi & Dalton, 1996, p. 73.</ref> The talks would lead to the Second [[Round Table Conference]] at the end of 1931. |
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I don't know that it would suffer greatly; there are a bunch of public domain images out there, and Wikipedia is a great opportunity to encourage people to generate more. But I can see both sides of the argument. |
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==Long term impact== |
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Salt Satyagraha produced scant progress toward dominion status or independence for India, and did not win any major concessions from the British.<ref>"...made scant progress toward either dominion status within the empire or outright independence. Neither had they won any major concessions on the economic and mundane issues that Gandhiji considered vital." Ackerman & DuVall, pp. 106.</ref> It also failed to attract Muslim support—many Muslims actively boycotted the satyagraha.<ref>Dalton, p. 119-120.</ref> Congress leaders decided to end satyagraha as official policy in 1934. Nehru and other Congress members drifted further apart from Gandhiji, who withdrew from Congress to concentrate on his Constructive Programme, which included his efforts to end untouchability.<ref>Johnson, p. 36.</ref> Even though British authorities were again in control by the mid 1930s, Indian, British, and world opinion increasingly began to recognize the legitimacy of claims by Gandhiji and the Congress Party for independence.<ref>"Indian, British, and world opinion increasingly recognized the legitimate claims of Gandhiji and Congress for Indian independence." Johnson, p. 37.</ref> The Satyagraha campaign of the 1930s also forced the British to recognize that their control of India depended entirely on the consent of Indians — Salt Satyagraha was a significant step in the British losing that consent.<ref>"The old order, in which British control rested comfortably on Indian acquiescence, had been sundered. In the midst of civil disobedience, Sir Charles Innes, a provincial governor, circulated his analysis of events to his colleagues. "England can hold India only by consent," he conceded. "We can't rule it by the sword." The British lost that consent...." Ackerman & DuVall, p. 109.</ref> |
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On the other hand, I'm extremely uncomfortable about contaminating the Wikipedia feed with content that can't be used by downstream licensees. If we didn't use any GFDL content ourselves, then we wouldn't be limited by the GFDL conditions, but we do (or at least would like to be able to). |
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Nehru considered Salt Satyagraha the high water mark of his association with Gandhiji,<ref>Fisher, p. 368.</ref> and felt that its lasting importance was in changing the attitudes of Indians: |
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<blockquote>Of course these movements exercised tremendous pressure on the British Government and shook the government machinery. But the real importance, to my mind, lay in the effect they had on our own people, and especially the village masses....Non-cooperation dragged them out of the mire and gave them self-respect and self-reliance....They acted courageously and did not submit so easily to unjust oppression; their outlook widened and they began to think a little in terms of India as a whole....It was a remarkable transformation and the Congress, under Gandhiji's leadership, must have the credit for it.<ref>Johnson, p. 37.</ref></blockquote> |
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Whatever the case, it's certainly not in the spirit of the GFDL to include non-free (the RMS def.) images. |
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More than thirty years later, Satyagraha and the March to Dandi exercised a strong influence on American civil rights activist [[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], and his fight for civil rights for blacks in the 1960's: |
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<blockquote>Like most people, I had heard of Gandhiji, but I had never studied him seriously. As I read I became deeply fascinated by his campaigns of nonviolent resistance. I was particularly moved by his Salt March to the Sea and his numerous fasts. The whole concept of Satyagraha (Satya is truth which equals love, and agraha is force; Satyagraha, therefore, means truth force or love force) was profoundly significant to me. As I delved deeper into the philosophy of Gandhiji, my skepticism concerning the power of love gradually diminished, and I came to see for the first time its potency in the area of social reform.<ref>King, p. 23.</ref></blockquote> |
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I certainly think that it's ''crazy'' to imagine a legal setup in which image use as we do would be forbidden, but we live in a crazy world, with DRM around the corner. |
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== Re-enactment in 2005 == |
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To commemorate the Great Salt March, the [[Mahatma Gandhi Foundation]] proposed a re-enactment on the 75th anniversary. The event was known as the "International Walk for Justice and Freedom". Mahatma Gandhi's great-grandson [[Tushar Gandhi]] and several hundred fellow marchers followed the same route to Dandi. The start of the march on March 12, 2005 in Ahmedabad was attended by [[Sonia Gandhi]], Chairperson of the [[National Advisory Council]], as well as several [[Indian Cabinet Ministers]], many of whom walked for the first few kilometres. The participants halted at Dandi on the night of April 5, with the commemoration ending on April 7.<ref>{{cite news | title = Gandhi's 1930 march re-enacted | publisher = BBC News | date = [[2005-03-12]] | url = http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4342745.stm | accessdate = 2007-12-27 }}</ref><ref>{{cite news | last = Diwanji | first = Amberish K | title = In the Mahatma's footsteps | publisher = Rediff | date = [[2005-03-15]] | url = http://specials.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/15sld1.htm | accessdate = 2007-12-27 }}</ref> |
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Finally, "fair use" is, unfortunately, a defense. If someone challenges the use of their images, we would have to prove "fair use" in court, after the injunction. The fair use defense is sadly weak. --[[User:The Cunctator|The Cunctator]] |
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A series of commemorative stamps were issued on the centenary of the Dandi March—denomination [[Indian Rupee|INR]] 5, Date of Issue: April 5, 2005.<ref>{{cite web | title = |
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:In practice, if the copyright holder of an image complained, we would have to remove the image rather than attempt to defend our fair use rights. Just as it would be a very bad idea to have non-free text, I think it would be a bad idea to have articles that ''depend'' on non-free images, and if you find such an article, it would be appropriate to call attention to that problem. An image that's just an illustration to an otherwise complete article (like the video and album covers, for example) shouldn't be a problem, although you're right that it could be a problem for downstream use (although most such downstream uses will have the same fair use rights we do). |
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==Notes== |
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In my expert opinion, Cunctator's assumption that "we would have to prove 'fair use' in court, after the injunction" is mistaken: The three elements a movant has to show to get a preliminary injunction are probability of success on the merits, threat of irreparable harm, and equity (or the balancing of the harms) favors the movant. The movant bears the burden on all three elements and, before the court gets to them, bears the burden of showing there is no adequate remedy at law, or injunction will not lie. Since someone complaining of copyright infringement could not make any one of those showings (let alone all four of them), they're never going to get an injunction to start with. -- [[User:Isis|isis]] 07:25 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC) |
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==References== |
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*{{cite book |last=Ackerman |first=Peter |authorlink=Peter Ackerman |coauthors=DuVall, Jack |title=A Force More Powerful: A Century of Nonviolent Conflict |publisher=Palgrave Macmillan |year=2000 |isbn=0312240503}} |
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*{{cite journal |last=Chatterjee |first=Manini |title=1930: Turning Point in the Participation of Women in the Freedom Struggle |journal=Social Scientist |volume=29 |issue=7/8 |pages=pp. 39–47 |month=Jul. – Aug. |year=2001 |accessdate=2007-12-03 |doi=10.2307/3518124}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Dalton |first=Dennis |authorlink=Dennis Dalton |title=Mahatma Gandhi: Nonviolent Power in Action |year=1993 |publisher=Columbia University Press |isbn=0231122373}} |
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*{{cite journal |last=Fisher |first=Margaret W. |title=India's Jawaharlal Nehru |journal=Asian Survey |volume=7 |issue=6 |pages=pp. 363–373 |month=Jun. |year=1967 |url= |accessdate= |doi=10.1525/as.1967.7.6.01p02764 }} |
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*{{cite book |last=Gandhi |first=Mahatma |authorlink=Mahatma Gandhi |title=The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi |publisher=Publications Division, Ministry of Information and Broadcasting, Govt. of India |year=1994 |location=New Delhi}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Gandhi |first=Mohandas K. |title=The Essential Gandhi |publisher=Vintage |year=1962 |location=New York |isbn =1-4000-3050-1}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Gandhi |first=Mahatma |coauthors=Jack, Homer Alexander |title=The Gandhi Reader: A Sourcebook of His Life and Writings |publisher=Grove Press |year=1994 |isbn=0802131611}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Gandhi |first=Mahatma |coauthors=[[Dennis Dalton|Dalton, Dennis]] |title=Selected Political Writings |publisher=Hackett Publishing |year=1996 |isbn=0872203301}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Gandhi |first=M. K. |title=Non-Violent Resistance (Satyagraha) |publisher=Courier Dover Publications |year=2001 |isbn=0486416062}} |
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*{{cite journal |last=Habib |first=Irfan |authorlink=Irfan Habib |title=Civil Disobedience 1930-31 |journal=Social Scientist |volume=25 |issue=9–10 |pages=pp. 43–66 |month=Sep. – Oct. |year=1997 |accessdate=2007-12-03 |doi=10.2307/3517680}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Hardiman |first=David |title=Gandhi in His Time and Ours: The Global Legacy of His Ideas |publisher=Columbia University Press |year=2003 |isbn=0231131143}} |
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*{{cite journal |last=Johansen |first=Robert C. |title =Radical Islam and Nonviolence: A Case Study of Religious Empowerment and Constraint Among Pashtuns |journal=Journal of Peace Research |volume=34 |issue=1 |pages=pp. 53–71 |year=1997 |doi =10.1177/0022343397034001005}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Johnson |first=Richard L. |title=Gandhi's Experiments With Truth: Essential Writings By And About Mahatma Gandhi |publisher=Lexington Books |year=2005 |isbn=0739111434}} |
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*{{cite book |last=King, Jr. |first=Martin Luther |authorlink=Martin Luther King, Jr. |coauthors=[[Clayborne Carson|Carson, Clayborne]] | title =The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr. | publisher =Warner Books | date =1998 | location = | isbn =0446676500 }} |
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*{{cite book |last=Majmudar |first=Uma |coauthors=[[Rajmohan Gandhi|Gandhi, Rajmohan]] |title=Gandhi's Pilgrimage Of Faith: From Darkness To Light |publisher=SUNY Press |year=2005 |location=New York |isbn=0791464059}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Martin |first=Brian |authorlink=Brian Martin (professor) |title=Justice Ignited |publisher=Rowman & Littlefield |year=2006 |isbn=0742540863}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Riddick |first=John F. |title=The History of British India: A Chronology |publisher=Greenwood Press |year=2006 |isbn=0313322805}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Wolpert |first=Stanley |authorlink=Stanley Wolpert |title=Gandhi's Passion: The Life and Legacy of Mahatma Gandhi |publisher=Oxford University Press |year=2001 |isbn=019515634X}} |
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*{{cite book |last=Wolpert |first=Stanley |title=India |publisher=University of California Press |year=1999 |isbn=0520221729}} |
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: We should probably move this debate to another page... I think it's ''vital'' that "fair use" images are marked as such. For example, if we later produce a paper snapshot of Wikipedia (the idea cropped up on the mailing list a while ago), we'd need to know which images we must omit. -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]] |
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I don't understand the concept of "'fair use' image," either by itself or in the context it's used in here. The images we use under what we call the "fair use" doctrine are not copyrighted. Here's what ''Black's Law Dictionary'' (4th ed.) says, and see if this makes what I'm saying clearer (italics added for emphasis & citation omitted): |
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[[image:Salt March.ogg|thumb|center|Original footage of Gandhi and his followers marching to Dandi in the Salt Satyagraha]] |
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:'''FAIR USAGE.''' The doctrine of "fair usage" means that the matter which was under copyright was ''neither copied nor adopted'', but that the uncopyrightable underlying idea was used, since a theme or idea is not copyrightable. |
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What I don't understand is what "which images we must omit" is about -- I can't think of any situation in which any image in the 'pedia should be "omitted." Would someone please enlighten me? -- [[User:Isis|isis]] 11:26 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC) |
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==External links== |
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* [http://www.harappa.com/wall/1930.html Newsreel footage of Salt Satyagraha] |
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* [http://www.saltmarch.org.in/home.html The Salt March] |
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* [http://specials.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/15sld1.htm Salt march re-enactment slide show] |
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* [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4342745.stm Gandhi's 1930 march re-enacted] ([[BBC News]]) |
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* [http://pmindia.nic.in/speech/content.asp?id=93 Speech by Prime Minister of India] on 75th anniversary of Dandi March. |
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: I was thinking of album cover thumbnails & sound clips -- wouldn't a a CD or paper version of Wikipedia, even if sold at-cost, have to omit those? -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]] |
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No, no way, never, huh-uh. -- [[User:Isis|isis]] 11:40 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC) |
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[[Category:1930 in India]] |
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[[Category:Indian independence movement]] |
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[[Category:History of Gujarat]] |
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[[Category:Marches]] |
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[[Category:Nonviolence]] |
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:The only possible time such an image ''might'' have to be omitted is in a commercially sold reproduction of Wikipedia (that weakens our "fair use" position but probably wouldn't destroy it), and since we don't plan on ever doing that, it shouldn't be a problem. If we made a paper reproduction distributed in accordance with our educational purposes, the same fair use rights would apply to that. |
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With all due respect, I must dissent from that opinion: Under ''Fed.R.Evid.'' 1001, for example, any copy of the 'pedia is interchangeable with any other (and/or the "original" -- whatever that means in this context), so whether we charge for our efforts in producing a particular copy or not is immaterial. |
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I've just realized what's been bothering some Users about the videotape covers: They don't understand what a copyright on the packaging means. I should have caught on sooner and told them the fact they were missing to ease their minds: A copyright on a videotape cover design prohibits anyone else's making a ''videotape cover/box/package'' with that same (or too much like it) design, but it does ''not'' prohibit anyone's taking a picture of it to show to anyone (commercially or not) when talking about the content of the tape in that box. If it did, the copyright laws would be unconstitutional, and those statutes are intended to further the 1st Amendment, not violate it. -- [[User:Isis|isis]] 20:20 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC) |
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: Sounds like the matter is resolved (but Isis, note that we're dealing internationally here -- 1st amendment is a local thing ;-) [[Wikipedia:Copyright issues]] seems to be a good spot to move this conversation to -- but boy does that page need a clean-up! Anyone feel like picking the information out of that huge discussion? -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]] |
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I'm copying this great discussion over to [[m:Wikipedia and copyright issues]]. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] |
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I just want to give you rousing cheers for your arguments in the talk on Naming conventions (anglicization). [[User:Gritchka|Gritchka]] |
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Please take a peak at [[User talk:Dewlaylomo/ban]]. I think an administrator should take some action. [[User:Mbecker|MB]] 02:35 May 15, 2003 (UTC) |
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Hi Lee. Brion said you have a test server which you have been known to hand out accounts to. Can I have one? To find out why I'm asking, see [[User talk:Tim Starling]]. In brief, Eloquence is pushing me to do less talk and more action when it comes to PHP code. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 06:07 25 May 2003 (UTC) |
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Could a developer check to see if [[User:Eddie]] is loging in using [[User:Michael]]'s ip range (i.e. 152.163.25x.xxx)? He has been reverting articles of [[User:Michael]]'s back to user Michael's content in a sneaky way. I just want to make sure it is or isn't [[User:Michael]]. If it is him, please ban the account. Thanks. [[User:Mbecker|MB]] 17:41 4 Jun 2003 (UTC) |
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[[User:Fuck]] is Michael, please ban and delete the account, or whatever is nessesary. |
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Michael is back as [[User:Weezer/NOFX]], attempts to reason with him to E-mail Jimbo have come to nothing, usual mind-games, alas, please ban the account. [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 15:10 6 Jun 2003 (UTC) |
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[[user:My Green Dice]] is also Michael-- ''Green'' Dice, with spaces, not My''Red''Dice, without. Anyway, he's moving Hephaestos' page to different places; could you block him please? Thanks. [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|Koyaanis Qatsi]] 01:53 8 Jun 2003 (UTC) |
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[http://www.mikepick.com/news/archives/000085.html SARS poker]. heh. [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|Koyaanis Qatsi]] 22:28 9 Jun 2003 (UTC) |
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Dear Lee, could you possibly add [[User:The Anomebot]] to the list of registered bots? It's well debugged and non-controversial, and has been working without causing any fuss on and off for a couple of days. If it is registered, I intend to speed it up to one hit per minute, with an extra safety back-off feature (measure transaction time, take min of a multiple of this and the programmed delay) that will stop it from being a nuisance when the server is heavily loaded. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 22:13 13 Jul 2003 (UTC) |
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Lee - since I'm already both a developer and a root sysadmin on both boxes, do you mind making me a sysop as well? Thanks! -- [[User:Marumari|Marumari]] 20:45 26 Jul 2003 (UTC) |
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Thanks, Lee. -- [[User:Marumari|Marumari]] 16:22 27 Jul 2003 (UTC) |
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Could you ban [[User:67.121.169.17 (Michael)]] ASAP? [[User:Mbecker|MB]] 23:25, Aug 5, 2003 (UTC) |
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When RK comes back I want to nominate him for sysop. I dont ask for much, but I ask that you support his nomination. Sincerely-[[User:Stevertigo|<strong>戴眩sv</Strong>]] 23:00, Aug 16, 2003 (UTC) |
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I'm working on a project based on the wikipedia MediaWiki engine to create a set of annotations on Neal Stephenson's upcoming book ''Quicksilver''. It's going to be a public site. I've seeded some of the entries with text from the Wikipedia for our internal release, and I wanted to invite you to participate and also ask you whether it's OK to use some of the Wikipedia content for our public release (I realize the license is GFDL, but I still wanted to make sure we don't launch without asking). Send me email and I can give you the URL and password for the internal site. patrick@appliedminds.net --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] 21:32, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC) |
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Hi there, you have been listed as "inactive" on [[Wikipedia:Administrators]]. Please remove the notice when it is out of date. Cheers, [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 01:36, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC) |
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==WikiProject Philosophy== |
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Hi Lee! The articles to which you contributed on [[philosophy]] are fantastic -- I particularly liked [[Karl Popper]]. I'm trying to create a meeting-spot for philosophically-inclined pedians over on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy|WikiProject Philosophy]], so that we can work on articles together, and I'd like to invite you to join us. If you're interested, drop on in -- no obligation, of course. [[User:Adam Conover|<nowiki></nowiki>]] — [[User:Adam Conover | Adam Conover]] [[User talk:Adam Conover|†]] 21:03, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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Hi, I could not find this issue covered in the FAQ's and would suspect it could only be fixed by a Wikitech doing a DB query directly; so I'm asking for your wisdom on this. Short version: can the update "14:07, 12 Apr 2004 . . 211.29.136.11" of Anti-globalization_movement be corrected to my user:Daeron identity? |
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By time I've hit the "Save Page" button, I've been logged out resulting in the change becoming anonymous. In this case as it's an article which is under a neutrality dispute notice, I would wish any concerns about my input to be addressed; as well as taking responsibility for my own input :-) |
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== Public Domain == |
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Since you've released your changes into the public domain, you can add '''<nowiki>{{MultiLicensePD}}</nowiki>''' to your user page to let everyone know using the template, if you prefer that. -- [[User:Ram-Man|Ram-Man]] 02:22, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC) |
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==Unverified images== |
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Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image: |
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*[[:Image:Ivaraasen.jpg]] |
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I notice it currently doesn't have an [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags|image copyright tag]]. Could you add one to let us know its [[copyright]] status? (You can use <nowiki>{{gfdl}}</nowiki> if you release it under the [[GNU Free Documentation License]], <nowiki>{{fairuse}}</nowiki> if you claim [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]], etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just ''let me know [[User talk:Poccil|at my talk page]]'' where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|[[User:Poccil|Peter O.]] ([[User Talk:Poccil|Talk]], [[User:Poccil/Automation.js|automation script]])]] 22:42, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC) |
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P.S. You can help tag other images at [[User:Yann/Untagged_Images]]. Thanks again. |
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:Also [[:Image:Vo Nguyen Giap.jpg]] |
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== [[:Image:Clupeiformis.jpg]] == |
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Greetings! I was wondering about the source for [[:Image:Clupeiformis.jpg]], which you uploaded. I can't find the image in the [[NOAA]] image library, and I'd like to get hold of the original scan. Can you tell me where you found it? (I've searched under "whitefish", "clupeiformis", "clupeaformis", "cisco", and "coregonus"—all the terms I can think of.) Thanks! —[[User:Tkinias|Tkinias]] 22:37, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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== Vandalism == |
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What should I do if I find a page which is been constatly vandalized? The page: [[Olavo de Carvalho]] is under severe atack. Some people are putting untrue and profanation, ofensive information and using bad language. I have fixed the page twice but I think it is not enough. Also I have added a protected template (I dont know if I did it right or not, If I did something wrong excuse me). |
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I would appreciate if you could help me with this. -- Thank you very much. [[User:Carlosar|Carlosar]] 02:23, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC) |
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== Page update problem == |
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Hi Lee. There seems to be a problem when pages are updated: you do a whole load of edits and the page updates fine. But the next day, say, when you look at the page again the updates have not been effective and the page version many edits before is displayed. When you go to the history page all the edits are there and the 'last' version of the page is updated OK. This has just happend on the [[transistor]] page after edits yesterday. This fault has happend a couple of times before on this page. Is it something I am doing (Wikipedia rookie) or is there a system problem or is it my browser (MS IE)? I just had another look at the transistor page and it is OK now. Regards -- [[User:CPES|CPES]] 14:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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==[[:Image:Benjamindavis sm.jpg]]== |
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| style="font-size: 80%" | The image [[:Image:Benjamindavis sm.jpg]] has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. If you feel that this image should not be deleted, please go there to voice your opinion. |
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:It's no longer necessary to keep separate small images around, since the software now does server-side image rescaling, so this should be deleted. [[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] 23:32, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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== Mediawiki error on wikipedia == |
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Hello Lee, |
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I saw your name in the FAQ so I thought it was probabely best to report this problem to you: When trying to visit this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale |
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I get this error: |
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<pre> |
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Warning: mysql_query(): Unable to save result set in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.4/includes/Database.php on line 324 |
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Unable to free MySQL result |
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Backtrace: |
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Database.php line 469 calls wfdebugdiebacktrace() |
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User.php line 464 calls databasemysql::freeresult() |
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SkinTemplate.php line 254 calls user::getnewtalk() |
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OutputPage.php line 417 calls skinmonobook::outputpage() |
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OutputPage.php line 614 calls outputpage::output() |
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Database.php line 360 calls outputpage::databaseerror() |
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Database.php line 309 calls databasemysql::reportqueryerror() |
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Parser.php line 3005 calls databasemysql::query() |
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Parser.php line 195 calls parser::replacelinkholders() |
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OutputPage.php line 243 calls parser::parse() |
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Article.php line 795 calls outputpage::addprimarywikitext() |
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index.php line 127 calls article::view() |
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</pre> |
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Any idea what's going on? [[User:Sander Marechal|Sander Marechal]] 15:28, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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== Welcome back == |
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Welcome back :) I hope you find Wikipedia has changed for the good. - [[User:Mark|Mark]] 06:55, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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== Acrobat web capture == |
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I habitually use Acrobat web capture to save web pages of interest because it preserves links and lets me save additional pages that are linked from the initial pages. This doesn't seem to work with Wikipedia. I've looked in the robot.txt file and FAQ's and didn't see any mention of Acrobat Web Capture as being some that is discouraged or blocked. Is it a local setting on my machine or the application or is there a policy on this that I failed to find, maybe my search technique was inadequate? Is this question common enough to be worthy of mention in the FAQ's? |
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:If your problem is links dissapearing then it probablly means acrobat web capture is using the print stylesheet. Otherwise no idea. [[User:Plugwash|Plugwash]] 21:09, 24 September 2005 (UTC) |
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== Interlacing == |
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[[Adam7 algorithm]] claims that adam7 was based on an earlier very similar 5 pass algorithm by you. Was your algorithm simply |
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or was there some other subtule differance between your algorithm and adam7? [[User:Plugwash|Plugwash]] 21:09, 24 September 2005 (UTC) |
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== Help with Sulfates category == |
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Hello, I don't know if you are the appropriate person to help with this, but I ask anyway. Plase take a look to the sulfates category, it shows a lot of fluorides, compounds that do not belong to that category. The problem is that none of the fluoride articles indicates that it belongs to the sulfate categories; in other words there are no links within those articles (as fas as I can see) to the sulfate category. Neither there is any link in the sulfate category page to any of those fluorides. How can we fix that, is it a bug in Wikipedia? Sorry, but I'm still not familiar with categories. |
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Best regards, I appreciate your help. --[[User:Paiconos|Paiconos]] 15:51, 14 September 2005 (UTC) |
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== Weird history problem == |
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I've got a semi-non-cache problem. I reloaded my history page ( 68.110.171.226 ), and got new entries - but not all of them... |
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23:13, 3 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Freeze distillation (~ender - fix s) (top) |
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23:12, 3 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Freeze distillation (~ender - add fusel alcohols) |
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22:57, 3 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Eddy-Current Testing (~ender - creation: some random |
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But it's missing (at least) this one from [[Talk:Freeze_distillation]]: |
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23:10, 3 October 2005 68.110.171.226 (~ender - thx for the lead, but I still like to know more...) |
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So, I think it's not a problem on my end, but not sure where to track it down. |
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~ender 2005-10-04 01:02:MST |
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==[[:Image:Johannes-brahms.png]] has been listed for deletion== |
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==[[:Image:Cb knight move.png]] has been listed for deletion== |
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==[[:Image:Cb kingside.png]] has been listed for deletion== |
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== Ignore All Rules == |
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Mr. Crocker, you are the oldest listed editor of the [[Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules]] article. I believe the IAR is getting so convoluted that it needs clarification, particularly in the philosophical area of "What is the purpose of rules?" If you would add your thoughts to [[Wikipedia_talk:Ignore_all_rules|discussion]], it would be greatly appreciated. |
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* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules&oldid=26848512 Here is the edit that I proposed, which I believe clarifies the concept]. |
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* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules&oldid=26849625 Here is the reverted article that is now protected from editing]. |
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Thanks for any insight you can give. --[[User:Zephram Stark|Zephram Stark]] 13:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC) |
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==Intellectual Property== |
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Lee, the [[Intellectual Property]] page is a mess - I think it has been pulled this way and that by various POV-oriented editors. On the Talk page, I've proposed a lead paragraph that puts the fact of controversy into the definition of the term. With the controversy on the table, perhaps the various contestants can describe the varying views accurately instead of vying for space. But honestly, most of the article is nonsense -- I think it's the worst article I've encountered in Wikipedia. I would appreciate your looking at my suggestion and I'd very much like to hear from you. And thanks for creating such super software! [[User:Pfaff9|Bryan]] 03:28, 20 November 2005 (UTC) |
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== Crocker's Rules == |
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You might want to take a look at the article and AfD discussion of [[Crocker's rules]]. Do you have a good description of what they are, what they mean, how one uses them? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] [[User_talk:dpbsmith|(talk)]] 22:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC) |
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== Image:Cb checkmate.png listed for deletion == |
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== Image:Cb stalemate.png listed for deletion == |
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== Image:Cb start.png listed for deletion == |
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The above three images are all orphans -[[User:Nv8200p|Nv8200p]] [[User_talk:Nv8200p|talk]] 21:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC) |
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== [[User:DavidCary]] == |
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Ah, how embarrassing. I've forgotten my wikipedia password. |
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This is the first time I've tried the "e-mail new password" thingy. |
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Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. |
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(I don't remember if I ever entered my email address in ... or perhaps I did but mis-typed it). |
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I suppose I could just make up a new user account ... but that seems so wasteful. |
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Are you one of the people that |
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[[Help:Logging_in#What_if_I_forget_the_password?]] |
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suggests might, possibly, be able to help me? |
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-- DavidCary http://david.carybros.com/ |
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p.s.: I was using the same password for [[Wikibooks:User:DavidCary]] -- would you reset that one as well? |
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--[[User:70.189.75.148|70.189.75.148]] 17:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC) |
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==Help Please== |
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I'm sorry to bother you Mr. Crocker, but the help page said you might be able to help me. I recently created a new page titled 'Big Five (Yugioh)', and upon saving the page, the top of the page listed a message saying it could not save my edit (which is itself is strange, since the page was right there), and if the problem persisted, to log out and log back in. Now when I go to my contributions page, not only am I not listed as having created such a page, but Searching turns up nothing. Do I need to rewrite the page entirely, or is there another problem? [[User: Drake Clawfang]], April 19, 2006. 12:31 AM EST. |
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==Düsseldorf Coat-of-Arms== |
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On 29 July 2002, you said about the image at: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dusseldo.jpg |
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“This is a really awful image...if you can find a better one in some other format or size, I'll trim it down to useful size and right format (PNG)” |
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There is a better one at: |
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/3/3a/Wappen_Duesseldorf.jpg |
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[[User:Bejnar|Bejnar]] 18:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== Shuffling == |
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The "unsourced" sentence you removed from [[Shuffle]] is mine. It is based on my 15+ years of personal experience as a professional poker player and dealer. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] |
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:I appreciate that, and I respect your personal experience in the area, but remember Wikipedia's policy of [[WP:NOR|No Original Research]]. I would feel far more confident about including the information in the article if there were a reliable third party source which could be cited as an origin for the claim. It is by no means common knowledge that people are good enough with cards to do that many shuffles in so brief a time, so it might be best if we were able to find a source for it. Thank you, however, for your attention to the article. --[[User:Kuzaar|Kuzaar]]<sup>-[[User talk:Kuzaar|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Kuzaar|C]]-</sup> 08:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::I can't help but assume from your userpage and history that you're operating in good faith here, so instead of removing it pending a source I've just tagged the statement with a <nowiki>{{citeneeded}}</nowiki> template. I'll try my hand at looking for a resource for dealer speeds, but won't be disappointed if you find and add it before me. Thank you, --[[User:Kuzaar|Kuzaar]]<sup>-[[User talk:Kuzaar|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Kuzaar|C]]-</sup> 12:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for the reply. I've a passing interest in several card games, and I suppose I've just never been lucky enough to see a professional dealer do his thing. Like I said before, when I get a chance I'll see if I can't find any resources about this. Sorry if I came off as pedantic, but my (limited, certainly) personal experience would put a feat of doing that many shuffles that quickly into the category of legend and myth, haha. :) Happy editing, --[[User:Kuzaar|Kuzaar]]<sup>-[[User talk:Kuzaar|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Kuzaar|C]]-</sup> 19:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC) |
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==Link== |
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You may want to know that the link to "your personal wiki" is broken (I got 404'd). You may want to fix/remove/change it. [[User:MichaelBillington|MichaelBillington]] 09:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Image:Sg botw.ogg listed for deletion == |
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== Virus from Wikipedia? == |
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Hi, is it possible to get a virus from viewing the Wikipedia? |
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:Not with any version of the software I released, but I haven't been actively involved in software development here for a while, so it's possible that some security leaks have sneaked in that I'm unaware of. But doubt it--Brion Vibber, who leads most of the development now, is a sharp guy and I'd be surprized if he made that kind of mistake. |
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==[[User talk:NoSeptember/Early admins (20 Sept 2002)|Early admins]]== |
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Thank you for your comments on my early admin page. I replied there, feel free to visit it anytime you think of some tidbit about that period :). [[User:NoSeptember/Signature11|<font color = "green">'''NoSeptember'''</font>]] 20:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==Help Please (underlined links)== |
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Hi, it said on the 'contact us' page that you can help with lots of problems. |
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Occaisionally, wikilinks start underlining, instead of just showing in blue. I can't find an option in 'preferences' for this, and I find it very hard to read the underlined text - especially in link-heavy articles. I've tried refresshing, but that doesn't seem to help. What should I do? [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 12:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:Hi Duncan, I don't think this is the right place for this type of question, I would try the village pump next time. That said, underlining hyperlinks on web pages is controlled by the web browser. So I would check your web browsers preference settings first and see if that makes a difference. --[[User:Paul E Ester|Paul E. Ester]] 14:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC) |
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::Thanks Paul, perhaps you'd tell whoever runs the Wikipedia 'contact us' pages to stop telling people to ask lee Daniel Crocker. Anyway, I had tried the Village Pump before coming here, didn't get any response. I've since found that the underlinings disappear after I edit a page, and as I haven't changed any browser settings, it all seems a little bizarre! [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 20:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC) |
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==Orphaned fair use image (Image:Beatles twist shout.ogg)== |
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Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:Beatles twist shout.ogg]]'''. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[WP:O|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. |
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Fritz Saalfeld|Fritz S.]] ([[User talk:Fritz Saalfeld|Talk]]) 09:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC) |
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==Orphaned fair use image (Image:Ellsworth bunker.jpg)== |
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Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:Ellsworth bunker.jpg]]'''. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[WP:O|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see [[Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy|our fair use policy]]). |
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Fritz Saalfeld|Fritz S.]] ([[User talk:Fritz Saalfeld|Talk]]) 17:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC) |
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== Image:Bridalveil Fall from Inspiration Point.FDL.jpg listed for deletion == |
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An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, [[:Image:Bridalveil Fall from Inspiration Point.FDL.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2006 October 31#Image:Bridalveil Fall from Inspiration Point.FDL.jpg|Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. [[User:Nv8200p|Nv8200p]] [[User_talk:Nv8200p|talk]] 16:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)<!-- Template:Idw --> |
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==Unspecified source for Image:Zebra.jpg== |
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Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:Zebra.jpg]]'''. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the [[copyright]] status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page. |
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If the file also doesn't have a copyright tag, then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{tl|GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the [[GFDL]]. If you believe the media meets the criteria at [[Wikipedia:Fair use]], use a tag such as {{tlp|Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use]]. See [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags]] for the full list of copyright tags that you can use. |
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If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following [{{fullurl:Special:Log|type=upload&user={{PAGENAMEE}}}} this link]. '''Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been uploaded''', as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you. [[User:Fred Chess|Fred]]-[[User_talk:Fred Chess|Chess]] 21:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC) |
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== double suited == |
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Hi, I noticed you removed my definition of 'double suited' from the [[List of slang names for poker hands]] page. I just thought it belonged in an article somewhere, since its a common omaha term and it doesn't seem to be defined anywhere on wikipedia. But it isn't really 'slang', I'll give you that. Do you think it should be included somewhere else, or do you think its meaning is self-evident? —[[User:Kymacpherson|Kymacpherson]] 03:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC) |
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Seems pretty self-evident to me, but my judgment shouldn't be the only one--if you really think it needs to be somewhere, I'd put it into the glossary article (along with "suited"). --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] 18:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC) |
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== [[WP:C]] Question == |
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The [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Copyrights&diff=314126&oldid=314118 September 25, 2002] version of WP:C show that you had made a statement "It is not the job of rank-and-file Wikipedians to police content for possible copyright infringement, but if you suspect one, you should at the very least bring up the issue on that page's talk page." What was your intent in that statement, and are you aware that it is now gone? --[[User:Hackajar|Hackajar]] 05:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:That was probably a more appropriate statement back in the days when we were still experimenting with just what Wikipedia policy was going to be, and our major focus was recriuiting content creators, not editors. I'm sure that since then we've reached a more detailed consensus about such policies, and good editors are more valued than content creators, so my statement isn't really relevant anymore. |
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::Good to know, thank you [[User:Hackajar|Hackajar]] 04:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC) |
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==What do you think of links to www.youtube.com in wikipedia== |
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Answers?[[User:RoddyYoung|RoddyYoung]] 11:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC) |
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==Nostalgia time...== |
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Hi LDC, great to get updated on your life. I'm still around, and I even hear from JHK occasionally. |
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Now...I was browsing [http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org nostalgia.wikipedia.org], and checking the history logs. Apparently I get the credit for the creation of [http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientific_method&action=history Scientific Method] (!) Much as I'd love this to be true, my memory suggest that this was one of yours originally. |
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Conversely, I get no credit for [http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Erdos&action=history Paul Erdos], which annoys me as I worked awfully hard on that one (you even put me on brilliant prose as a result - here's your comment on [http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManningBartlett my user page]).). |
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Now putting my fragile ego aside (an effort, to be sure), this discovery appears to suggest that the history logs at Nostalgia are somewhat unreliable. As I found some people trawling around looking for "History of Wikipedia" info, I felt the need to warn them about taking the history logs as gospel. |
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Is there any way of correcting the history logs? Or have they been lost to time... anyway, all the best :) [[User:Manning Bartlett|Manning]] 03:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:Yes, sone of the very earliest history of Wikipedia is lost, because Clifford's software didn't keep article histories indefinitely. We also didn't do a complete job converting article histories when we updated. In fact, the earliest record for the [[Poker]] article shows an edit by Larry Sanger, which clearly wasn't his area of expertise :-) It's possible that the some of the history records that survived Clifford's software but that weren't converted in transition may still exist on a backup tape somewhere, waiting to be converted. You might ask Brion or Tim about that. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] 01:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== extropy-chat misses you == |
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Lee, |
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Do you remember Me, Brent Allsop from the Extropy chat list? |
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I met you at the Extro-5 conference back in 2001. And we've had various talks on the Extropy e-mail list about qualia and such. We had a conversation back in 1999 about working on the extropy.org web site for Max More (we had e-mail problems to start with). I seem to be having e-mail problems again and many varied attempts to send you e-mail have failed. I asked about you on the exi-chat list. Spike said he had recently similarly tried to contact you in vain, and asked me to tell you that he and others miss you on that list if I get a hold of you. BillK suggested I try contacting you here, so I hope that is OK that I do. |
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I particularly remembered the paper (I thought was brilliant) you presented at extro-5 entitled: "Fighting for Less Privacy: The Transparency Option" (Is that paper available anywhere? I can't seem to find it online, and the extropy.com site's search seems broken.) |
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I’m thinking of creating a wiki system that I think will better handle POV information in a structured debate kind of way. If you’ve got a chance I’d love to chat about it. Or if you're not interested just let me know and I’ll stop trying to bother you. |
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allsop at extropy dot org |
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Thanks! |
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[[User:Brent Allsop|Brent Allsop]] 03:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Primary Topic in Disambiguation == |
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Hi, |
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I noticed that you wrote the original naming convention guidelines in [[WP:D]] regarding the situation when one entry is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:D#Primary_topic primary meaning]. I wanted to get your opinion on how you determine whether one meaning is the primary meaning relative to other meanings? For example, if there is a topic XYZ and multiple meanings for XYZ, but one stands out as the primary meaning to me, what necessary and sufficient evidence would you require to be convinced of that, if it's not obvious? Thanks in advance for you consideration of this issue. --[[User:Hamsacharya dan|Hamsacharya dan]] 20:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:I think salience is an inherently subjective, culturally-dependent, and dynamic thing, so I don't think one can--or should--make a fixed set of criteria for it. I can say, though, that's it's important to keep the goal in mind: imagine a typical user typing the term into a search box; which meaning is he or she most likely looking for? Making judgments like this is part of the process or witing a good article. |
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Thank you very much for the input. --[[User:Hamsacharya dan|Hamsacharya dan]] 21:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC) |
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I am the same user as [[commons:User:Lee Daniel Crocker]]. |
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== Spelling: Jewellery VS. Jewelry == |
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Dear Lee Daniel Crocker: |
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I am emailing about the Jewellery category. I believe your might be the original author of the category and I would like your feedback. I have posted the issue on WPO" Pump as well as manual of style. I am wondering if you would be willing to consider the use of the American spelling. I personally have no issue with the fact that we have 2 different spelllings on WP - both English and American - as I am aware there are 2 different spellings and for me, it is not a problem. However, I do feel we are having a siginifcant issue here on WP about the English VS. American spelling and I feel I have a good case to revert to the American Spelling. So - here it is. I am a graduate student at Bard here in US. I have read and researched literally hundreds of published titles on this topic. To that aim, I am endeavoring to beef up this category and help WP. However, in the act of reading many titles over many years, I have come to conclude that the American spelling is more dominent in published works on this topic. I don't have a reasoning behind why, I just know that it is so. Because of this, I feel it is neccesary to switch back to the American spelling. Even though in OED, it is jewellery, in every major book on this topic with the exception a few published in UK, it is spelled jewelry. For example - see what is known as "the bible on jewelry," the title is: Jewelry Concepts & Technology by Oppi Untracht. The spelling used is jewelry. Another example: On Amazon, you type in both. For jewelry there are 83,868 Results, for Jewellery, there are 61,300,000 Results - that is a significant difference in published works. I am more than happy to provide a complete bibliography if need be, but in the interest of being user friendly, I ask that you consider this and let me know what you think. Thanks, Archie, archimartin[[User:Archiemartin|Archiemartin]] |
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:I was not involved in the creation of the jewelry articles, but I was involved in the creation of our usage standards and the articles about British and American English. In general, it is acceptable here for any article to use either British or American spelling and grammar, so long as they aren't mixed in a single article. I don't believe we explicitly dealt with the issue of a category name itself or a collection of related articles. I don't doubt that American usages generally predominate the world of published works, and not only in this category, because of the larger publishing industry here, larger Internet presence, and our cultural imperialism in general. But I'm not sure that's really sufficient to justify changing well-written articles that happen to use the other dialect. I don't think book titles are helpful either: the [[color]] articles are pretty consistent with that spelling, even though there are standard works like Hunt's "Reproduction of Colour..." Do you have some reason to believe that use of British English in this case hampers quality of the articles, say by making searches less useful of something? If not, I don't see a clear reason to change any particular article's usage. One thing that ''would'' justify changing an article is if someone who makes significant changes to it is not comfortable editing in the other dialect, and so changes the whole article to be consistent. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] 17:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Daniel, |
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Thanks for your kind reply. I appreciate the response. I agree that it is not all that important in general as one surfs along to have the two different spellings. However, my concern is twofold. One concern is that I myself as I go along working in this category am writing in American English will encounter problems and hostility, (I already have) with other editors who don't like me inserting the American version. The other is that I don't think it looks good for WP, plain and simple. When I began here, I had a very difficult time finding things in this category because of the two spellings. I have noticed that now there is a redirect which helps but the areas are not conjoined and there is not alot of integration. To remedy some of this, I just started writing and editing my own things using that spelling, but I did get a few nasty reactions as I did so. I just think at the end of the day, choosing one in this instance will make sense long term because unlike words like color/colour - jewelry/jewellery is a noun. It is quite problematic. Let me know what you think. Archie, archiemartin[[User:Archiemartin|Archiemartin]] |
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== [[WP:DAB]] == |
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Hi LDC, one more question for you about disambiguation. I have a situation in which there is call for a "dual" disambiguation: [[Kriya Yoga]]. Can you take a quick look at the disambiguation structure and let me know if you feel that this is appropriate or inappropriate? I feel that this structure is most instructive to the reader as it directs them with more clarity and specificity. Thanks. --[[User:Hamsacharya dan|Hamsacharya dan]] 20:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC) |
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:I'm afraid making the right choices here would require an in-depth knowledge of the subject that I just don't have. |
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== Sample Space == |
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Dear Lee, |
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Could you please clarify something in regard to your Sample Space page? I agree that a sample space can be described in different ways, but I don't believe your example says what you want. What you are really giving two different experiments: 1) drawing a card and observing the suit vs. 2) drawing a card and observing the rank. The different sample spaces should really be with respect to the same experiment, such as flipping two coins and observing the outcomes. We could then describe the sample space as either: |
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{ hh, ht, th, tt } or { two heads, two tails, a head and a tail } |
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All possible outcomes are still covered, and the sum of the probabilities still add up to one. I hear you now - a head and a tail is really not one outcome, but two! I hear you, but from what I've seen in the literature, this appears to be generally accepted. What do you think? |
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Thanks, |
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[[User:Markysdad|Markysdad]] 18:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC) |
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==Image:Beatles_cant_buy_me_love.ogg== |
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==Image:Beatles_blackbird.ogg== |
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==Image:Beatles_and_i_love_her.ogg== |
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==Image:Beatles_allyouneedislove.ogg== |
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==Removing missing rationale tags== |
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Do not remove missing rationale tags unless you actually provide them. Please note that the tag "non-free audio sample" is '''not''' a rationale, just a biolerplate template, and thus does not quailfy per fair use. — [[User:Kaiba|<font color="#191970"><font size="3pt">'''Κ'''</font>aiba</font>]] 23:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:I used to think the same thing. I thought the template provided the rationale perfectly, but now standard practice is that we have to create them like on [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale examples]]. I honestly don't know the point of those templates anymore, but I guess it's just to make sure the text "...under United States copyright law when used on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation..." is listed on every non-free image. — [[User:Kaiba|<font color="#191970"><font size="3pt">'''Κ'''</font>aiba</font>]] 01:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::And sorry if I came on a little strong with the first message. — [[User:Kaiba|<font color="#191970"><font size="3pt">'''Κ'''</font>aiba</font>]] 01:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC) |
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==Orphaned non-free image (Image:Beatles something.ogg)== |
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:The articles about the song contain someone else's sample, which is fine. --LDC |
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==More audio files== |
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There are some more audio files that need rationales Lee: |
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*[[:Image:Sg botw.ogg]] |
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*[[:Image:Sg wm3a.ogg]] |
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*[[:Image:Sg sos.ogg]] |
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*[[:Image:Sg mrob.ogg]] |
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*[[:Image:Sg book2.ogg]] |
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*[[:Image:Sg sfc.ogg]] |
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I'll bring more by if I see any. Cheers! — [[User:Kaiba|<font color="#191970"><font size="3pt">'''Κ'''</font>aiba</font>]] 23:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC) |
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List of more: |
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:[[:Image:Jk beatles ringo.jpg]] |
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::— [[User:Kaiba|<font color="#191970"><font size="3pt">'''Κ'''</font>aiba</font>]] 01:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== MediaWiki == |
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How come you don't do development stuff anymore or have an SVN account? Just curious. '''[[User talk:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]''' 05:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== Article you created == |
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I believe you also created the article on [[Lee Harvey Oswald]]. You can add that to your repertoire. [[User:Chuffable|Chuffable]] 08:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== Entry deleted == |
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Hello! I saw you delete the entry Broadway from the [[List of poker terms]]. Yes it´s maybe slang but as long as there is a redirect to from the "poker slang" entry to the "list of poker terms" in my opinion it should be there. |
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[[User:Elconejo|Elconejo]] 16:38, 18. Sept. 2007 (UTC-6) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|signed but undated]] comment was added at 22:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== List of slang names for poker hands == |
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per your comments on Elconejo talkpage, I just thought I would clear things up on what happen to the article List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands. |
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[[List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands]] was deleted and then redirected to Glossary of poker terms, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands] see: [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands_%282nd_nomination%29]] for debate, it was closed as no consensus by the closing admin, a DRV then came up [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 11|here]] (see debate), then move to wiktionary and deleted afterwards, I saw that there is a [[b:Poker]] section on wikibooks don't know if they allow slang terms or not, hope this helps ▪◦▪[[User:Sirex98|<span style="background:#44e;color:#bbf">'''≡ЅiREX≡''']][[User_talk:Sirex98|<sup>'''Talk'''</sup>]]</span> 03:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:thx, I will have a look there --[[User:Elconejo|Elconejo]] 15:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC) |
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== Franz Josef Strauß == |
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Might I ask you to take a look at the new discussion going on at [[Talk:Franz Josef Strauß#Requested Move, 2007|Franz Josef Strauß]]? Yes, it ''is'' an ancient topic (the use of '''ß''' on en-wiki), but this is one of the most prominent articles in which this issue is of significance. Given your experience, your input would be very much appreciated. [[User:Unschool|Unschool]] ([[User talk:Unschool|talk]]) 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC) |
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== Award == |
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{{User:ComputerGuy890100/Jimbo Edit|Lee Daniel Crocker}} |
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I would like to present to you the ''I Edited Jimbo Wales' Userpage'' '''Barnstar'''! <span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;"> — [[User:CG890100|<span style="color: #008;">'''''ComputerGuy89010''''']][[User:ComputerGuy890100/Secretpage|'''''0''''']]</span></span><sup>[[User talk:ComputerGuy890100|Talk to me]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/ComputerGuy890100|What I've done to help Wikipedia]]</sub> 23:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Pretty silly thing to get an award for. You'd think something like, oh, writing the software that runs the site would be worth some kudos, but I guess I'll take what I can get. :-) --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] ([[User talk:Lee Daniel Crocker#top|talk]]) 07:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC) |
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==AfD nomination of Disability etiquette== |
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[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]I have nominated [[Disability etiquette]], an article you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Disability etiquette]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. <small>Do you want to [[Template:Bots#Message notification opt out|opt out]] of receiving this notice?</small><!-- Template:AFDWarning --> [[User talk:Leonard^Bloom|Leonard]]<sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor_review/Leonard^Bloom|(Bloom)]]</sup> 02:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== MediaWiki coding == |
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Any change of you making a small return to coding? :) '''[[User talk:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Aar</font><font color="darkblue">on Sc</font><font color="black">hulz</font>]]''' 13:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Sure, but probably not MediaWiki--I don't really like PHP much. I'm currently working with [[Django]]. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] ([[User talk:Lee Daniel Crocker#top|talk]]) 15:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Linux == |
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On your linux page, I would recommend that you put some popular distros. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Micr***fts*cks|Micr***fts*cks]] ([[User talk:Micr***fts*cks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Micr***fts*cks|contribs]]) 11:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Questioning your edit of Poker topic == |
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I admit I'm new at Wikipedia editing, so I might have done something wrong. I see you're a long-time expert. However, I'm uncomfortable with your editing of my paragraph discussing poker versus gambling. You eliminated the sources, which makes the remaining paragraph appear to be unsupported assertion. Of course, we cannot put the citations back in, because the new paragraph is not what the books said. Who is vouching for the edited paragraph? |
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Wouldn't it make more sense to leave the original paragraph, and have you provide the counterpoint? In that case, it obviously shouldn't be in the summary section at the top, but in another section entitled, perhaps, Poker versus Gambling. That's an important issue that goes to the core of the game, in my opinion, and it has generated a lot of discussion in the poker literature. The cited books, as well as other sources, have argument and data supporting the idea that the outcome of each hand has more to do with the choices of the players than the luck of the cards. Of course, the cards determine who would have have the best hand if everyone stayed in until showdown. But they don't determine who wins how much money. It is the betting and folding decisions which determine that. If the poker hands were dealt out and a fixed sum awarded to the best one, it would clearly be a pure gambling game. But that is not poker. |
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To put it another way, I spend a lot of time thinking about what the other player has, what the other player thinks I have, what the other player thinks I think he has; I spend no time trying to guess whether a heart or an Ace will show up on the river. I know the probability of that, and factor it in to my calculations, but I don't try to make money thinking I can guess better than random chance. |
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I think there is a big difference between a gambling game and a strategic game with random elements. I'm not sure of the nature of your disagreement. Is it that any game with random elements must be a gambling game? Or that the random elements of poker so dominate the strategy and psychology that it is no different from roulette? Or that the distinction from gambling is not fundamental to the nature of poker? |
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I think poker is a game of strategy and psychology, in which the prize is sometimes money (when the other players fold, or put their money in the pot when you have already won the hand) and sometimes a gamble (when your play "wins" you a gamble to, say, win $10,000 with 2/3 probability and lose $4,000 with 1/3 probability). To me that's similar a basketball team passing and running to try to get a good shot; if they play well they may get an 80% shot (short, open shot by a good shooter); if they play badly they may get a 20% shot (off-balance, rushed, long shot by a bad shooter with a hand in his face). |
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Of course, you can gamble at a poker table. You can go all-in blind. You can bet hoping to get a good card on the board rather than figuring the situation. I would call that gambling at a poker table, not playing poker. |
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In any case, whether you agree or disagree, I think we've ended up with an unsatisfactory middle ground. I don't think the edited paragraph represents anyone's opinion. When I wrote it, I was not aware there was informed objection to the claim, or I would have noted those objections and placed it further down in the article. I also don't know of any credible source for the half-and-half version that is left. |
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I'd be happy to try my hand at a rewrite that notes your objections, and move it farther down if appropriate. But I need to know what those disagreements are. It would help to have citation for them, or at least pointers to where I might get a citation. I'm pretty well-read in the poker literature, I think I could find something if you give me some help. |
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[[User:AaCBrown|AaCBrown]] ([[User talk:AaCBrown|talk]]) 14:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:It may well fit more within Wikipedia's editorial policies to have a better-attibuted paragraph, and I'd have no problem with you )or anyone) replacing my text with something easier to cite, but the sentiment expressed by the original is clearly a matter of opinion (with which I disagree strongly), and not really descriptive of the game itself, so I don't think it belongs in the article, and certainly not at the top. I don't disagree that poker is, ''in the long run'', a game of strategy--I'm a professional player myself, and I couldn't make a living if it weren't--but that long run is at least months, if not years. Poker is absolutely, unquestionably "gambling" by any reasonable definition of that word, and to say otherwise is propaganda. The original citation sounds far more like the kind of justification a bad player would give his wife than something written by someone who really understands the game. Those of us who actually play the game full time understand well that you can play continuously for many days making perfect plays and being a huge favorite every time you get your money in--and still lose. The ability to outlast such swings (both financially and emotionally) is a big part of what makes a successful player, and is exactly the same as other professional gamblers such as horse handicappers, sports bettors, blackjack counters, and others. Poker has a lot more in common with those games than it does with other strategy games. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] ([[User talk:Lee Daniel Crocker#top|talk]]) 15:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Here's a nice citable quote for you: "Poker is gambling. Anyone who says it's not or states that when he plays he doesn't gamble, does not understand poker as well as he should." (from "Small Stakes Hold'em"; Ed Miller, David Sklansky, and Mason Malmuth) |
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can I use Java applets in Wiki? Similar to http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/MSet/MJintro.htm Evgeny
Is your jpg really smaller than my png? Ericd
- Not by much, surprizingly, but enough that old modem users would still prefer it. It's almost always the case, though, that PNG is not efficient for photographic images--and wasn't intended to be. I'm the person who invented the adaptive-prefiltering compression technique that PNG uses, and it was optimized for iconic drawings (altough we tried to make sure it wasn't too bad for photos either). JPEG is almost always the best format for photographs.
My picture was 64 gray levels to optimize size I believed ther will be no reel difference.
- That's why the saving wasn't as dramatic, then. But it still went from over 40k down to 16k, and that's not insignificant.
Lee - what do we do when people are obviously ignoring our image use policy and not responding to requests for copyright information? --mav
- I haven't seen any major problems yet, but if you can't figure out any way to reach someone, deleting an image or two usually gets their attention. BTW, it's quite likely that unknown uploaders are Polish/German/French wikipedians (I found Aioneko at fr, for example) so that might be another place to look. Who are you worried about? -- Lee
user:Dwhitney just uploaded an image of a engine block with no copyright info that looks like it is a scan from a cars manual. user:Isis is uploading many images -- none of which seem to have copyright info (including videotape covers). I'm also wary about the overuse of fair use -- our previous image use policy was to only accept public domain images and those covered by an acceptable open content license. This allowed somebody to copy the text and the article by using similar licenses. Now we have sound clips. If anything we need to have a very clear statement that the text of Wikipedia is covered by the GNU FDL but any images or other files may be owned by others who have not placed their work under an open content license. We are probably OK because we are using this stuff for educational purposes -- but others copying our material and trying to abide by our license may want to sell this stuff. --mav
- Dwhitney was only a few ours ago. I just contacted him (he has a valid e=mail address), so give him some time to respond. Isis is a special case. She has a valid e-mail address as well, and has been very cooperative when contacted (Jimbo and I have been talking to her about helping form the non-profit). She is also a lawyer with IP experience, so she knows what she's talking about. I agree that we would certainly prefer images in the PD or licensed under appropriate terms rather than ones used under "fair use"--as you say, it means that people copying Wikipedia articles won't necessarily be able to copy the images that accompany them unless they too follow fair use guidelines, whereas our text has no such restrictions. Most of Kay's stuff is old enough to have fallen out of copyright, but obviously the videotape covers and such haven't.
- I think the "fair use" material is so valuable to some of the articles, though, that it would be a shame to get rid of it, so I think you're right that a stronger statement should be made on the copyright pages that only our text is covered by the GFDL, and images might have different terms. I just can't imagine any reasonable coverage of the white album, for example, without letting readers hear the amazing diversity of arrangements and subjects for themselves.
- In a way, including such material actually helps our cause a bit: for example, we would like for other non-profit educational sites to use our material. They would have an equal fair use claim to us, so they could take our material in toto. But a for-profit site that we might not want to use our material might not qualify for the same fair use exception, and so could only use our text.
- In any case, I think you're right that a more detailed statement is needed, probably both on wikipedia:copyrights and wikipedia:image use policy.
- Maybe I'm just thick-headed, but how, legally, are images different from ASCII-encoded text as far as our license goes? --Brion 17:29 Aug 31, 2002 (PDT)
LDC - I really like your rewrite of the Social Darwinism article. It reads much better now, the flow of ideas is much more streamlined, and the differences with and confusion with sociobiology are well highlighted. Kudos! -- April
Odd question. Under the Berne Convention, anything is copyright once it's in a fixed medium. Under the DMCA, if you bypass encryption to access a copyrighted file, you break the law. I write you an email using GPG, you decrypt it, you violate the DMCA (the email is copyright me, unless I explicitly disclaim copyright--J.D. Salinger set a precedent on this one in re: personal letters he'd sent a friend, who gave them to an author who wanted to publish them in a book on Salinger). Therefore the DMCA explodes either itself or copyright--nothing copyright can be decrypted without violating the DMCA, or encryption itself is illegal (including for DVDs). I must be missing something. --KQ 03:37 Sep 20, 2002 (UTC)
- Yes, the contents of mail is copyrighted by the sender, but the very act of mailing should be an obvious expression of intent that the recipient read it--that's the whole purpose. The DMCA only outlaws "bypassing access controls" for unintended accesses; it certainly doesn't apply to playing a legally-bought DVD on a legally-bought DVD player, or reading your own mail, both of which require decryption as the copyright holder intended. It would be illegal for me to read your mail, or even for me to sell a program that allowed some third party to read your mail.
- Hm, I knew that seemed too easy. So if I understand it correctly, the DMCA just ... uh ... doesn't make much sense. You could be prosecuted for breaking rot13 on a message? --KQ
Lee, I and 128.whoever went back and forth on the vandalism in progress page also, but of us changing unattributed comments about 128's actions and motives (at the first bullet about him), so that may be what he's thinking of. At one point I removed the "he is otherwise rational" bit and the part about his comment to Brion, thinking that might calm him down. In retrospect I probably shouldn't have--it may not have been signed, but it was still someone else's comment. I've also reverted tarquin's comment at the second bullet after 128 changed it. --KQ 18:30 Oct 2, 2002 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I should have signed the comment, and maybe it was ruder than necessary. And removing a comment (or even editing one for grammar, putting *** over profanity, or other kinds of edits) is far, far, different from changing it to something else. --LDC
I wonder if you have been keeping an eye on the Aria Giovanni talk webpage. The situation there is out of control.
Matters have deteriorated to a highly abusive level over a website link. Of special concern is the general conduct and attitude of someone called NetEsq, who claims in his details to be a lawyer.
He has repeatedly abused anyone who opposed the idea of the website link with such tactics and traits as net misettiquete ( eg the use of the word 'you' in capitals and bold to emphasise shouting), a poor grasp of history, the unrepentant use of such provocative terms as 'Nazi' (which I hope is an example of his poor grasp of history) , out of context quotes and attempted alienation ("only YOU opppose it"). He writes of defending freedom of expression, yet cannot tolerate it from others when they give an opinion he does not like. So far three persons have been under fire by him, with the treatment of one of them especially deplorable.
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of his beliefs, it is very advisable to bring this most unruly and arrogant person into line.
Given that your name is on the list of persons who can ban users (you banned an IP address a while ago, so I assume you're a wikipedia person), I thought it highly advisable to bring this to your attention, before it leads to persons leaving the wikipedia - something likely to stroke Netesq's already aggressive ego.
Lee, could you kindly take a look at User talk:Isis? Also, did you ever get a reply from the CIA about using their original artwork for the flag images? Thanks. Scipius 22:22 Oct 11, 2002 (UTC)
You seem like you're knowledgeable about such things. I understand video and book covers can be uploaded as fair use, does the same thing apply to album covers? It seems logical to me, but I thought I should ask you first. Tokerboy 23:04 Oct 21, 2002 (UTC)
- Album covers should indeed be no different under "fair use" doctrine than the video and book covers already here, but the RIAA is a lot nastier about threatening to sue over such things. But they haven't made any noise about our sound clips yet, so either we're still below their radar or else they realize how futile such a suit would be (my guess is the former--the latter would presume some intelligence on their part).
I can create text files, MySQL databases, excel spreadsheets, word documents, or whatever else you might need to add articles Wikipedia. It would also be grand if you had some way to change the wiki software to accomodate as discussed in the Village Pump. Whatever the case, just get back to me on what to do. I was discussing with Maverick various things on my talk page and you might find some of that interesting as well. I'm not going to run the bot at one article per minute at this point because it is too slow to be practical (see the discussion on my talk page). -- Ram-Man
Clicking on what links to United States Census Bureau? took 1 minute 20 seconds before any output, and was still rendering three minutes later when I killed it. This looks like a very expensive link to click. The Anome 08:35 Oct 25, 2002 (UTC)
Other links that I expect to have similar behavior will be the corresponding ones for 2000, African American, Native American, km², and any other pages linked by thousands of Ram-Man's articles. This isn't Ram-Man's fault: the software should be able to cope better with this: perhaps some use of LIMIT in the SQL queries would be useful? The Anome
Yes, it takes a long time to render a page with a lot of links, so a "what links here" page with hundreds of entries will be expensive. You're probably right that it might be worth writing some special-case code for that. --LDC
I'm suspicious of the validity of adding work to Wikipedia that's not coverable by the GFDL (as described in Wikipedia:copyrights). Isn't this a basic problem? -The Cunctator
- Text would definitely be a problem, and I think we're pretty clear that we don't want text that isn't free. But images really are a different case; I think "fair use" images are OK, because it's an easy distinction to make, the utility of Wikipedia would suffer greatly if we couldn't use such images, and using such images does not detract from the goal of creating our own text.
I don't know that it would suffer greatly; there are a bunch of public domain images out there, and Wikipedia is a great opportunity to encourage people to generate more. But I can see both sides of the argument.
On the other hand, I'm extremely uncomfortable about contaminating the Wikipedia feed with content that can't be used by downstream licensees. If we didn't use any GFDL content ourselves, then we wouldn't be limited by the GFDL conditions, but we do (or at least would like to be able to).
Whatever the case, it's certainly not in the spirit of the GFDL to include non-free (the RMS def.) images.
I certainly think that it's crazy to imagine a legal setup in which image use as we do would be forbidden, but we live in a crazy world, with DRM around the corner.
Finally, "fair use" is, unfortunately, a defense. If someone challenges the use of their images, we would have to prove "fair use" in court, after the injunction. The fair use defense is sadly weak. --The Cunctator
- In practice, if the copyright holder of an image complained, we would have to remove the image rather than attempt to defend our fair use rights. Just as it would be a very bad idea to have non-free text, I think it would be a bad idea to have articles that depend on non-free images, and if you find such an article, it would be appropriate to call attention to that problem. An image that's just an illustration to an otherwise complete article (like the video and album covers, for example) shouldn't be a problem, although you're right that it could be a problem for downstream use (although most such downstream uses will have the same fair use rights we do).
In my expert opinion, Cunctator's assumption that "we would have to prove 'fair use' in court, after the injunction" is mistaken: The three elements a movant has to show to get a preliminary injunction are probability of success on the merits, threat of irreparable harm, and equity (or the balancing of the harms) favors the movant. The movant bears the burden on all three elements and, before the court gets to them, bears the burden of showing there is no adequate remedy at law, or injunction will not lie. Since someone complaining of copyright infringement could not make any one of those showings (let alone all four of them), they're never going to get an injunction to start with. -- isis 07:25 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)
- We should probably move this debate to another page... I think it's vital that "fair use" images are marked as such. For example, if we later produce a paper snapshot of Wikipedia (the idea cropped up on the mailing list a while ago), we'd need to know which images we must omit. -- Tarquin
I don't understand the concept of "'fair use' image," either by itself or in the context it's used in here. The images we use under what we call the "fair use" doctrine are not copyrighted. Here's what Black's Law Dictionary (4th ed.) says, and see if this makes what I'm saying clearer (italics added for emphasis & citation omitted):
- FAIR USAGE. The doctrine of "fair usage" means that the matter which was under copyright was neither copied nor adopted, but that the uncopyrightable underlying idea was used, since a theme or idea is not copyrightable.
What I don't understand is what "which images we must omit" is about -- I can't think of any situation in which any image in the 'pedia should be "omitted." Would someone please enlighten me? -- isis 11:26 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)
- I was thinking of album cover thumbnails & sound clips -- wouldn't a a CD or paper version of Wikipedia, even if sold at-cost, have to omit those? -- Tarquin
No, no way, never, huh-uh. -- isis 11:40 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)
- The only possible time such an image might have to be omitted is in a commercially sold reproduction of Wikipedia (that weakens our "fair use" position but probably wouldn't destroy it), and since we don't plan on ever doing that, it shouldn't be a problem. If we made a paper reproduction distributed in accordance with our educational purposes, the same fair use rights would apply to that.
With all due respect, I must dissent from that opinion: Under Fed.R.Evid. 1001, for example, any copy of the 'pedia is interchangeable with any other (and/or the "original" -- whatever that means in this context), so whether we charge for our efforts in producing a particular copy or not is immaterial.
I've just realized what's been bothering some Users about the videotape covers: They don't understand what a copyright on the packaging means. I should have caught on sooner and told them the fact they were missing to ease their minds: A copyright on a videotape cover design prohibits anyone else's making a videotape cover/box/package with that same (or too much like it) design, but it does not prohibit anyone's taking a picture of it to show to anyone (commercially or not) when talking about the content of the tape in that box. If it did, the copyright laws would be unconstitutional, and those statutes are intended to further the 1st Amendment, not violate it. -- isis 20:20 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)
- Sounds like the matter is resolved (but Isis, note that we're dealing internationally here -- 1st amendment is a local thing ;-) Wikipedia:Copyright issues seems to be a good spot to move this conversation to -- but boy does that page need a clean-up! Anyone feel like picking the information out of that huge discussion? -- Tarquin
I'm copying this great discussion over to m:Wikipedia and copyright issues. --mav
I just want to give you rousing cheers for your arguments in the talk on Naming conventions (anglicization). Gritchka
Please take a peak at User talk:Dewlaylomo/ban. I think an administrator should take some action. MB 02:35 May 15, 2003 (UTC)
Hi Lee. Brion said you have a test server which you have been known to hand out accounts to. Can I have one? To find out why I'm asking, see User talk:Tim Starling. In brief, Eloquence is pushing me to do less talk and more action when it comes to PHP code. -- Tim Starling 06:07 25 May 2003 (UTC)
Could a developer check to see if User:Eddie is loging in using User:Michael's ip range (i.e. 152.163.25x.xxx)? He has been reverting articles of User:Michael's back to user Michael's content in a sneaky way. I just want to make sure it is or isn't User:Michael. If it is him, please ban the account. Thanks. MB 17:41 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
User:Fuck is Michael, please ban and delete the account, or whatever is nessesary.
Michael is back as User:Weezer/NOFX, attempts to reason with him to E-mail Jimbo have come to nothing, usual mind-games, alas, please ban the account. The Anome 15:10 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
user:My Green Dice is also Michael-- Green Dice, with spaces, not MyRedDice, without. Anyway, he's moving Hephaestos' page to different places; could you block him please? Thanks. Koyaanis Qatsi 01:53 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
SARS poker. heh. Koyaanis Qatsi 22:28 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Dear Lee, could you possibly add User:The Anomebot to the list of registered bots? It's well debugged and non-controversial, and has been working without causing any fuss on and off for a couple of days. If it is registered, I intend to speed it up to one hit per minute, with an extra safety back-off feature (measure transaction time, take min of a multiple of this and the programmed delay) that will stop it from being a nuisance when the server is heavily loaded. -- The Anome 22:13 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Lee - since I'm already both a developer and a root sysadmin on both boxes, do you mind making me a sysop as well? Thanks! -- Marumari 20:45 26 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, Lee. -- Marumari 16:22 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Could you ban User:67.121.169.17 (Michael) ASAP? MB 23:25, Aug 5, 2003 (UTC)
When RK comes back I want to nominate him for sysop. I dont ask for much, but I ask that you support his nomination. Sincerely-戴眩sv 23:00, Aug 16, 2003 (UTC)
Lee,
I'm working on a project based on the wikipedia MediaWiki engine to create a set of annotations on Neal Stephenson's upcoming book Quicksilver. It's going to be a public site. I've seeded some of the entries with text from the Wikipedia for our internal release, and I wanted to invite you to participate and also ask you whether it's OK to use some of the Wikipedia content for our public release (I realize the license is GFDL, but I still wanted to make sure we don't launch without asking). Send me email and I can give you the URL and password for the internal site. patrick@appliedminds.net --Zippy 21:32, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Hi there, you have been listed as "inactive" on Wikipedia:Administrators. Please remove the notice when it is out of date. Cheers, Cyan 01:36, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
WikiProject Philosophy
Hi Lee! The articles to which you contributed on philosophy are fantastic -- I particularly liked Karl Popper. I'm trying to create a meeting-spot for philosophically-inclined pedians over on WikiProject Philosophy, so that we can work on articles together, and I'd like to invite you to join us. If you're interested, drop on in -- no obligation, of course. — Adam Conover † 21:03, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I could not find this issue covered in the FAQ's and would suspect it could only be fixed by a Wikitech doing a DB query directly; so I'm asking for your wisdom on this. Short version: can the update "14:07, 12 Apr 2004 . . 211.29.136.11" of Anti-globalization_movement be corrected to my user:Daeron identity?
By time I've hit the "Save Page" button, I've been logged out resulting in the change becoming anonymous. In this case as it's an article which is under a neutrality dispute notice, I would wish any concerns about my input to be addressed; as well as taking responsibility for my own input :-)
Public Domain
Since you've released your changes into the public domain, you can add {{MultiLicensePD}} to your user page to let everyone know using the template, if you prefer that. -- Ram-Man 02:22, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)
Unverified images
Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:
I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 22:42, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.
Greetings! I was wondering about the source for Image:Clupeiformis.jpg, which you uploaded. I can't find the image in the NOAA image library, and I'd like to get hold of the original scan. Can you tell me where you found it? (I've searched under "whitefish", "clupeiformis", "clupeaformis", "cisco", and "coregonus"—all the terms I can think of.) Thanks! —Tkinias 22:37, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Vandalism
What should I do if I find a page which is been constatly vandalized? The page: Olavo de Carvalho is under severe atack. Some people are putting untrue and profanation, ofensive information and using bad language. I have fixed the page twice but I think it is not enough. Also I have added a protected template (I dont know if I did it right or not, If I did something wrong excuse me). I would appreciate if you could help me with this. -- Thank you very much. Carlosar 02:23, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Page update problem
Hi Lee. There seems to be a problem when pages are updated: you do a whole load of edits and the page updates fine. But the next day, say, when you look at the page again the updates have not been effective and the page version many edits before is displayed. When you go to the history page all the edits are there and the 'last' version of the page is updated OK. This has just happend on the transistor page after edits yesterday. This fault has happend a couple of times before on this page. Is it something I am doing (Wikipedia rookie) or is there a system problem or is it my browser (MS IE)? I just had another look at the transistor page and it is OK now. Regards -- CPES 14:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
| Image deletion warning | The image Image:Benjamindavis sm.jpg has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. If you feel that this image should not be deleted, please go there to voice your opinion. |
--Ellmist 18:37, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- It's no longer necessary to keep separate small images around, since the software now does server-side image rescaling, so this should be deleted. LDC 23:32, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Mediawiki error on wikipedia
Hello Lee,
I saw your name in the FAQ so I thought it was probabely best to report this problem to you: When trying to visit this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
I get this error:
Warning: mysql_query(): Unable to save result set in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.4/includes/Database.php on line 324 Unable to free MySQL result Backtrace: Database.php line 469 calls wfdebugdiebacktrace() User.php line 464 calls databasemysql::freeresult() SkinTemplate.php line 254 calls user::getnewtalk() OutputPage.php line 417 calls skinmonobook::outputpage() OutputPage.php line 614 calls outputpage::output() Database.php line 360 calls outputpage::databaseerror() Database.php line 309 calls databasemysql::reportqueryerror() Parser.php line 3005 calls databasemysql::query() Parser.php line 195 calls parser::replacelinkholders() OutputPage.php line 243 calls parser::parse() Article.php line 795 calls outputpage::addprimarywikitext() index.php line 127 calls article::view()
Any idea what's going on? Sander Marechal 15:28, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Welcome back
Welcome back :) I hope you find Wikipedia has changed for the good. - Mark 06:55, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Acrobat web capture
I habitually use Acrobat web capture to save web pages of interest because it preserves links and lets me save additional pages that are linked from the initial pages. This doesn't seem to work with Wikipedia. I've looked in the robot.txt file and FAQ's and didn't see any mention of Acrobat Web Capture as being some that is discouraged or blocked. Is it a local setting on my machine or the application or is there a policy on this that I failed to find, maybe my search technique was inadequate? Is this question common enough to be worthy of mention in the FAQ's?
Scott 7-18-2005
- If your problem is links dissapearing then it probablly means acrobat web capture is using the print stylesheet. Otherwise no idea. Plugwash 21:09, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Interlacing
Adam7 algorithm claims that adam7 was based on an earlier very similar 5 pass algorithm by you. Was your algorithm simply
1 4 2 4 5 5 5 5 3 4 3 4 5 5 5 5
or was there some other subtule differance between your algorithm and adam7? Plugwash 21:09, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Help with Sulfates category
Hello, I don't know if you are the appropriate person to help with this, but I ask anyway. Plase take a look to the sulfates category, it shows a lot of fluorides, compounds that do not belong to that category. The problem is that none of the fluoride articles indicates that it belongs to the sulfate categories; in other words there are no links within those articles (as fas as I can see) to the sulfate category. Neither there is any link in the sulfate category page to any of those fluorides. How can we fix that, is it a bug in Wikipedia? Sorry, but I'm still not familiar with categories. Best regards, I appreciate your help. --Paiconos 15:51, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Weird history problem
I've got a semi-non-cache problem. I reloaded my history page ( 68.110.171.226 ), and got new entries - but not all of them...
23:13, 3 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Freeze distillation (~ender - fix s) (top) 23:12, 3 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Freeze distillation (~ender - add fusel alcohols) 22:57, 3 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Eddy-Current Testing (~ender - creation: some random
But it's missing (at least) this one from Talk:Freeze_distillation:
23:10, 3 October 2005 68.110.171.226 (~ender - thx for the lead, but I still like to know more...)
So, I think it's not a problem on my end, but not sure where to track it down.
~ender 2005-10-04 01:02:MST
Image:Johannes-brahms.png has been listed for deletion
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Ignore All Rules
Mr. Crocker, you are the oldest listed editor of the Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules article. I believe the IAR is getting so convoluted that it needs clarification, particularly in the philosophical area of "What is the purpose of rules?" If you would add your thoughts to discussion, it would be greatly appreciated.
- Here is the edit that I proposed, which I believe clarifies the concept.
- Here is the reverted article that is now protected from editing.
Thanks for any insight you can give. --Zephram Stark 13:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Intellectual Property
Lee, the Intellectual Property page is a mess - I think it has been pulled this way and that by various POV-oriented editors. On the Talk page, I've proposed a lead paragraph that puts the fact of controversy into the definition of the term. With the controversy on the table, perhaps the various contestants can describe the varying views accurately instead of vying for space. But honestly, most of the article is nonsense -- I think it's the worst article I've encountered in Wikipedia. I would appreciate your looking at my suggestion and I'd very much like to hear from you. And thanks for creating such super software! Bryan 03:28, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Crocker's Rules
You might want to take a look at the article and AfD discussion of Crocker's rules. Do you have a good description of what they are, what they mean, how one uses them? Dpbsmith (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
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The above three images are all orphans -Nv8200p talk 21:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Ah, how embarrassing. I've forgotten my wikipedia password. This is the first time I've tried the "e-mail new password" thingy. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. (I don't remember if I ever entered my email address in ... or perhaps I did but mis-typed it).
I suppose I could just make up a new user account ... but that seems so wasteful.
Are you one of the people that Help:Logging_in#What_if_I_forget_the_password? suggests might, possibly, be able to help me? -- DavidCary http://david.carybros.com/
p.s.: I was using the same password for Wikibooks:User:DavidCary -- would you reset that one as well? --70.189.75.148 17:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Help Please
I'm sorry to bother you Mr. Crocker, but the help page said you might be able to help me. I recently created a new page titled 'Big Five (Yugioh)', and upon saving the page, the top of the page listed a message saying it could not save my edit (which is itself is strange, since the page was right there), and if the problem persisted, to log out and log back in. Now when I go to my contributions page, not only am I not listed as having created such a page, but Searching turns up nothing. Do I need to rewrite the page entirely, or is there another problem? User: Drake Clawfang, April 19, 2006. 12:31 AM EST.
Düsseldorf Coat-of-Arms
On 29 July 2002, you said about the image at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dusseldo.jpg “This is a really awful image...if you can find a better one in some other format or size, I'll trim it down to useful size and right format (PNG)” There is a better one at: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/3/3a/Wappen_Duesseldorf.jpg Bejnar 18:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Shuffling
The "unsourced" sentence you removed from Shuffle is mine. It is based on my 15+ years of personal experience as a professional poker player and dealer. --LDC
- I appreciate that, and I respect your personal experience in the area, but remember Wikipedia's policy of No Original Research. I would feel far more confident about including the information in the article if there were a reliable third party source which could be cited as an origin for the claim. It is by no means common knowledge that people are good enough with cards to do that many shuffles in so brief a time, so it might be best if we were able to find a source for it. Thank you, however, for your attention to the article. --Kuzaar-T-C- 08:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- I can't help but assume from your userpage and history that you're operating in good faith here, so instead of removing it pending a source I've just tagged the statement with a {{citeneeded}} template. I'll try my hand at looking for a resource for dealer speeds, but won't be disappointed if you find and add it before me. Thank you, --Kuzaar-T-C- 12:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. I've a passing interest in several card games, and I suppose I've just never been lucky enough to see a professional dealer do his thing. Like I said before, when I get a chance I'll see if I can't find any resources about this. Sorry if I came off as pedantic, but my (limited, certainly) personal experience would put a feat of doing that many shuffles that quickly into the category of legend and myth, haha. :) Happy editing, --Kuzaar-T-C- 19:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- I can't help but assume from your userpage and history that you're operating in good faith here, so instead of removing it pending a source I've just tagged the statement with a {{citeneeded}} template. I'll try my hand at looking for a resource for dealer speeds, but won't be disappointed if you find and add it before me. Thank you, --Kuzaar-T-C- 12:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Link
You may want to know that the link to "your personal wiki" is broken (I got 404'd). You may want to fix/remove/change it. MichaelBillington 09:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
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Virus from Wikipedia?
Hi, is it possible to get a virus from viewing the Wikipedia?
- Not with any version of the software I released, but I haven't been actively involved in software development here for a while, so it's possible that some security leaks have sneaked in that I'm unaware of. But doubt it--Brion Vibber, who leads most of the development now, is a sharp guy and I'd be surprized if he made that kind of mistake.
Thank you for your comments on my early admin page. I replied there, feel free to visit it anytime you think of some tidbit about that period :). NoSeptember 20:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Help Please (underlined links)
Hi, it said on the 'contact us' page that you can help with lots of problems. Occaisionally, wikilinks start underlining, instead of just showing in blue. I can't find an option in 'preferences' for this, and I find it very hard to read the underlined text - especially in link-heavy articles. I've tried refresshing, but that doesn't seem to help. What should I do? DuncanHill 12:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Duncan, I don't think this is the right place for this type of question, I would try the village pump next time. That said, underlining hyperlinks on web pages is controlled by the web browser. So I would check your web browsers preference settings first and see if that makes a difference. --Paul E. Ester 14:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks Paul, perhaps you'd tell whoever runs the Wikipedia 'contact us' pages to stop telling people to ask lee Daniel Crocker. Anyway, I had tried the Village Pump before coming here, didn't get any response. I've since found that the underlinings disappear after I edit a page, and as I haven't changed any browser settings, it all seems a little bizarre! DuncanHill 20:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
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double suited
Hi, I noticed you removed my definition of 'double suited' from the List of slang names for poker hands page. I just thought it belonged in an article somewhere, since its a common omaha term and it doesn't seem to be defined anywhere on wikipedia. But it isn't really 'slang', I'll give you that. Do you think it should be included somewhere else, or do you think its meaning is self-evident? —Kymacpherson 03:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Seems pretty self-evident to me, but my judgment shouldn't be the only one--if you really think it needs to be somewhere, I'd put it into the glossary article (along with "suited"). --LDC 18:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
WP:C Question
The September 25, 2002 version of WP:C show that you had made a statement "It is not the job of rank-and-file Wikipedians to police content for possible copyright infringement, but if you suspect one, you should at the very least bring up the issue on that page's talk page." What was your intent in that statement, and are you aware that it is now gone? --Hackajar 05:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
- That was probably a more appropriate statement back in the days when we were still experimenting with just what Wikipedia policy was going to be, and our major focus was recriuiting content creators, not editors. I'm sure that since then we've reached a more detailed consensus about such policies, and good editors are more valued than content creators, so my statement isn't really relevant anymore.
- Good to know, thank you Hackajar 04:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
What do you think of links to www.youtube.com in wikipedia
Answers?RoddyYoung 11:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Nostalgia time...
Hi LDC, great to get updated on your life. I'm still around, and I even hear from JHK occasionally.
Now...I was browsing nostalgia.wikipedia.org, and checking the history logs. Apparently I get the credit for the creation of Scientific Method (!) Much as I'd love this to be true, my memory suggest that this was one of yours originally.
Conversely, I get no credit for Paul Erdos, which annoys me as I worked awfully hard on that one (you even put me on brilliant prose as a result - here's your comment on my user page).).
Now putting my fragile ego aside (an effort, to be sure), this discovery appears to suggest that the history logs at Nostalgia are somewhat unreliable. As I found some people trawling around looking for "History of Wikipedia" info, I felt the need to warn them about taking the history logs as gospel.
Is there any way of correcting the history logs? Or have they been lost to time... anyway, all the best :) Manning 03:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, sone of the very earliest history of Wikipedia is lost, because Clifford's software didn't keep article histories indefinitely. We also didn't do a complete job converting article histories when we updated. In fact, the earliest record for the Poker article shows an edit by Larry Sanger, which clearly wasn't his area of expertise :-) It's possible that the some of the history records that survived Clifford's software but that weren't converted in transition may still exist on a backup tape somewhere, waiting to be converted. You might ask Brion or Tim about that. --LDC 01:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
extropy-chat misses you
Lee,
Do you remember Me, Brent Allsop from the Extropy chat list?
I met you at the Extro-5 conference back in 2001. And we've had various talks on the Extropy e-mail list about qualia and such. We had a conversation back in 1999 about working on the extropy.org web site for Max More (we had e-mail problems to start with). I seem to be having e-mail problems again and many varied attempts to send you e-mail have failed. I asked about you on the exi-chat list. Spike said he had recently similarly tried to contact you in vain, and asked me to tell you that he and others miss you on that list if I get a hold of you. BillK suggested I try contacting you here, so I hope that is OK that I do.
I particularly remembered the paper (I thought was brilliant) you presented at extro-5 entitled: "Fighting for Less Privacy: The Transparency Option" (Is that paper available anywhere? I can't seem to find it online, and the extropy.com site's search seems broken.)
I’m thinking of creating a wiki system that I think will better handle POV information in a structured debate kind of way. If you’ve got a chance I’d love to chat about it. Or if you're not interested just let me know and I’ll stop trying to bother you.
allsop at extropy dot org
Thanks!
Brent Allsop 03:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Primary Topic in Disambiguation
Hi,
I noticed that you wrote the original naming convention guidelines in WP:D regarding the situation when one entry is a primary meaning. I wanted to get your opinion on how you determine whether one meaning is the primary meaning relative to other meanings? For example, if there is a topic XYZ and multiple meanings for XYZ, but one stands out as the primary meaning to me, what necessary and sufficient evidence would you require to be convinced of that, if it's not obvious? Thanks in advance for you consideration of this issue. --Hamsacharya dan 20:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think salience is an inherently subjective, culturally-dependent, and dynamic thing, so I don't think one can--or should--make a fixed set of criteria for it. I can say, though, that's it's important to keep the goal in mind: imagine a typical user typing the term into a search box; which meaning is he or she most likely looking for? Making judgments like this is part of the process or witing a good article.
Thank you very much for the input. --Hamsacharya dan 21:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I am the same user as commons:User:Lee Daniel Crocker.
Spelling: Jewellery VS. Jewelry
Dear Lee Daniel Crocker: I am emailing about the Jewellery category. I believe your might be the original author of the category and I would like your feedback. I have posted the issue on WPO" Pump as well as manual of style. I am wondering if you would be willing to consider the use of the American spelling. I personally have no issue with the fact that we have 2 different spelllings on WP - both English and American - as I am aware there are 2 different spellings and for me, it is not a problem. However, I do feel we are having a siginifcant issue here on WP about the English VS. American spelling and I feel I have a good case to revert to the American Spelling. So - here it is. I am a graduate student at Bard here in US. I have read and researched literally hundreds of published titles on this topic. To that aim, I am endeavoring to beef up this category and help WP. However, in the act of reading many titles over many years, I have come to conclude that the American spelling is more dominent in published works on this topic. I don't have a reasoning behind why, I just know that it is so. Because of this, I feel it is neccesary to switch back to the American spelling. Even though in OED, it is jewellery, in every major book on this topic with the exception a few published in UK, it is spelled jewelry. For example - see what is known as "the bible on jewelry," the title is: Jewelry Concepts & Technology by Oppi Untracht. The spelling used is jewelry. Another example: On Amazon, you type in both. For jewelry there are 83,868 Results, for Jewellery, there are 61,300,000 Results - that is a significant difference in published works. I am more than happy to provide a complete bibliography if need be, but in the interest of being user friendly, I ask that you consider this and let me know what you think. Thanks, Archie, archimartinArchiemartin
- I was not involved in the creation of the jewelry articles, but I was involved in the creation of our usage standards and the articles about British and American English. In general, it is acceptable here for any article to use either British or American spelling and grammar, so long as they aren't mixed in a single article. I don't believe we explicitly dealt with the issue of a category name itself or a collection of related articles. I don't doubt that American usages generally predominate the world of published works, and not only in this category, because of the larger publishing industry here, larger Internet presence, and our cultural imperialism in general. But I'm not sure that's really sufficient to justify changing well-written articles that happen to use the other dialect. I don't think book titles are helpful either: the color articles are pretty consistent with that spelling, even though there are standard works like Hunt's "Reproduction of Colour..." Do you have some reason to believe that use of British English in this case hampers quality of the articles, say by making searches less useful of something? If not, I don't see a clear reason to change any particular article's usage. One thing that would justify changing an article is if someone who makes significant changes to it is not comfortable editing in the other dialect, and so changes the whole article to be consistent. --LDC 17:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Daniel, Thanks for your kind reply. I appreciate the response. I agree that it is not all that important in general as one surfs along to have the two different spellings. However, my concern is twofold. One concern is that I myself as I go along working in this category am writing in American English will encounter problems and hostility, (I already have) with other editors who don't like me inserting the American version. The other is that I don't think it looks good for WP, plain and simple. When I began here, I had a very difficult time finding things in this category because of the two spellings. I have noticed that now there is a redirect which helps but the areas are not conjoined and there is not alot of integration. To remedy some of this, I just started writing and editing my own things using that spelling, but I did get a few nasty reactions as I did so. I just think at the end of the day, choosing one in this instance will make sense long term because unlike words like color/colour - jewelry/jewellery is a noun. It is quite problematic. Let me know what you think. Archie, archiemartinArchiemartin
Hi LDC, one more question for you about disambiguation. I have a situation in which there is call for a "dual" disambiguation: Kriya Yoga. Can you take a quick look at the disambiguation structure and let me know if you feel that this is appropriate or inappropriate? I feel that this structure is most instructive to the reader as it directs them with more clarity and specificity. Thanks. --Hamsacharya dan 20:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm afraid making the right choices here would require an in-depth knowledge of the subject that I just don't have.
Sample Space
Dear Lee,
Could you please clarify something in regard to your Sample Space page? I agree that a sample space can be described in different ways, but I don't believe your example says what you want. What you are really giving two different experiments: 1) drawing a card and observing the suit vs. 2) drawing a card and observing the rank. The different sample spaces should really be with respect to the same experiment, such as flipping two coins and observing the outcomes. We could then describe the sample space as either:
{ hh, ht, th, tt } or { two heads, two tails, a head and a tail }
All possible outcomes are still covered, and the sum of the probabilities still add up to one. I hear you now - a head and a tail is really not one outcome, but two! I hear you, but from what I've seen in the literature, this appears to be generally accepted. What do you think?
Thanks,
Markysdad 18:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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Removing missing rationale tags
Do not remove missing rationale tags unless you actually provide them. Please note that the tag "non-free audio sample" is not a rationale, just a biolerplate template, and thus does not quailfy per fair use. — Κaiba 23:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- I used to think the same thing. I thought the template provided the rationale perfectly, but now standard practice is that we have to create them like on Wikipedia:Fair use rationale examples. I honestly don't know the point of those templates anymore, but I guess it's just to make sure the text "...under United States copyright law when used on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation..." is listed on every non-free image. — Κaiba 01:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- And sorry if I came on a little strong with the first message. — Κaiba 01:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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- The articles about the song contain someone else's sample, which is fine. --LDC
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More audio files
There are some more audio files that need rationales Lee:
- Image:Sg botw.ogg
- Image:Sg wm3a.ogg
- Image:Sg sos.ogg
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- Image:Sg book2.ogg
- Image:Sg sfc.ogg
I'll bring more by if I see any. Cheers! — Κaiba 23:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
List of more:
- — Κaiba 01:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
MediaWiki
How come you don't do development stuff anymore or have an SVN account? Just curious. Voice-of-All 05:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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Article you created
I believe you also created the article on Lee Harvey Oswald. You can add that to your repertoire. Chuffable 08:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Entry deleted
Hello! I saw you delete the entry Broadway from the List of poker terms. Yes it´s maybe slang but as long as there is a redirect to from the "poker slang" entry to the "list of poker terms" in my opinion it should be there. Elconejo 16:38, 18. Sept. 2007 (UTC-6) —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 22:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
List of slang names for poker hands
per your comments on Elconejo talkpage, I just thought I would clear things up on what happen to the article List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands.
List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands was deleted and then redirected to Glossary of poker terms, [1] see: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands_(2nd_nomination) for debate, it was closed as no consensus by the closing admin, a DRV then came up here (see debate), then move to wiktionary and deleted afterwards, I saw that there is a b:Poker section on wikibooks don't know if they allow slang terms or not, hope this helps ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 03:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- thx, I will have a look there --Elconejo 15:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
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Franz Josef Strauß
Might I ask you to take a look at the new discussion going on at Franz Josef Strauß? Yes, it is an ancient topic (the use of ß on en-wiki), but this is one of the most prominent articles in which this issue is of significance. Given your experience, your input would be very much appreciated. Unschool (talk) 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
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User:ComputerGuy890100/Jimbo Edit
I would like to present to you the I Edited Jimbo Wales' Userpage Barnstar! — ComputerGuy890100Talk to meWhat I've done to help Wikipedia 23:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- Pretty silly thing to get an award for. You'd think something like, oh, writing the software that runs the site would be worth some kudos, but I guess I'll take what I can get. :-) --LDC (talk) 07:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
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MediaWiki coding
Any change of you making a small return to coding? :) Aaron Schulz 13:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- Sure, but probably not MediaWiki--I don't really like PHP much. I'm currently working with Django. --LDC (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Linux
On your linux page, I would recommend that you put some popular distros. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Micr***fts*cks (talk • contribs) 11:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Questioning your edit of Poker topic
I admit I'm new at Wikipedia editing, so I might have done something wrong. I see you're a long-time expert. However, I'm uncomfortable with your editing of my paragraph discussing poker versus gambling. You eliminated the sources, which makes the remaining paragraph appear to be unsupported assertion. Of course, we cannot put the citations back in, because the new paragraph is not what the books said. Who is vouching for the edited paragraph?
Wouldn't it make more sense to leave the original paragraph, and have you provide the counterpoint? In that case, it obviously shouldn't be in the summary section at the top, but in another section entitled, perhaps, Poker versus Gambling. That's an important issue that goes to the core of the game, in my opinion, and it has generated a lot of discussion in the poker literature. The cited books, as well as other sources, have argument and data supporting the idea that the outcome of each hand has more to do with the choices of the players than the luck of the cards. Of course, the cards determine who would have have the best hand if everyone stayed in until showdown. But they don't determine who wins how much money. It is the betting and folding decisions which determine that. If the poker hands were dealt out and a fixed sum awarded to the best one, it would clearly be a pure gambling game. But that is not poker.
To put it another way, I spend a lot of time thinking about what the other player has, what the other player thinks I have, what the other player thinks I think he has; I spend no time trying to guess whether a heart or an Ace will show up on the river. I know the probability of that, and factor it in to my calculations, but I don't try to make money thinking I can guess better than random chance.
I think there is a big difference between a gambling game and a strategic game with random elements. I'm not sure of the nature of your disagreement. Is it that any game with random elements must be a gambling game? Or that the random elements of poker so dominate the strategy and psychology that it is no different from roulette? Or that the distinction from gambling is not fundamental to the nature of poker?
I think poker is a game of strategy and psychology, in which the prize is sometimes money (when the other players fold, or put their money in the pot when you have already won the hand) and sometimes a gamble (when your play "wins" you a gamble to, say, win $10,000 with 2/3 probability and lose $4,000 with 1/3 probability). To me that's similar a basketball team passing and running to try to get a good shot; if they play well they may get an 80% shot (short, open shot by a good shooter); if they play badly they may get a 20% shot (off-balance, rushed, long shot by a bad shooter with a hand in his face).
Of course, you can gamble at a poker table. You can go all-in blind. You can bet hoping to get a good card on the board rather than figuring the situation. I would call that gambling at a poker table, not playing poker.
In any case, whether you agree or disagree, I think we've ended up with an unsatisfactory middle ground. I don't think the edited paragraph represents anyone's opinion. When I wrote it, I was not aware there was informed objection to the claim, or I would have noted those objections and placed it further down in the article. I also don't know of any credible source for the half-and-half version that is left.
I'd be happy to try my hand at a rewrite that notes your objections, and move it farther down if appropriate. But I need to know what those disagreements are. It would help to have citation for them, or at least pointers to where I might get a citation. I'm pretty well-read in the poker literature, I think I could find something if you give me some help.
AaCBrown (talk) 14:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- It may well fit more within Wikipedia's editorial policies to have a better-attibuted paragraph, and I'd have no problem with you )or anyone) replacing my text with something easier to cite, but the sentiment expressed by the original is clearly a matter of opinion (with which I disagree strongly), and not really descriptive of the game itself, so I don't think it belongs in the article, and certainly not at the top. I don't disagree that poker is, in the long run, a game of strategy--I'm a professional player myself, and I couldn't make a living if it weren't--but that long run is at least months, if not years. Poker is absolutely, unquestionably "gambling" by any reasonable definition of that word, and to say otherwise is propaganda. The original citation sounds far more like the kind of justification a bad player would give his wife than something written by someone who really understands the game. Those of us who actually play the game full time understand well that you can play continuously for many days making perfect plays and being a huge favorite every time you get your money in--and still lose. The ability to outlast such swings (both financially and emotionally) is a big part of what makes a successful player, and is exactly the same as other professional gamblers such as horse handicappers, sports bettors, blackjack counters, and others. Poker has a lot more in common with those games than it does with other strategy games. --LDC (talk) 15:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- Here's a nice citable quote for you: "Poker is gambling. Anyone who says it's not or states that when he plays he doesn't gamble, does not understand poker as well as he should." (from "Small Stakes Hold'em"; Ed Miller, David Sklansky, and Mason Malmuth)