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== Rewind: Electronica was once (is) a genre. ==
'''Mumbai''' ([[Marathi language|Marathi]]: [[:mr:मुंबई|मुंबई]], ''{{transl|mr|Mumbaī}}'', [[Help:IPA|IPA]]:{{audio-IPA|Mumbai_pronunciation.ogg|[ˈmumbəi]}}), formerly '''Bombay''', is the capital of the [[Indian state]] of [[Maharashtra]] and the financial capital of [[India]]. With an estimated population of thirteen [[million]], it is the [[List of most populous cities in India|most populous city]] in India and the second most populous city in the world.<ref name=WG>[http://world-gazetteer.com/wg.php?x=&men=gcis&lng=en&des=wg&srt=npan&col=abcdefghinoq&msz=1500&pt=c&va=&srt=pnan World Gazetteer estimate for 2008-01-01]</ref> Along with the neighbouring suburbs of [[Navi Mumbai]] and [[Thane]], it forms, at nineteen million, the [[world's largest cities|world's fifth most populous]] metropolitan area. Mumbai lies on the [[Konkan|west]] coast of India and has a deep natural [[harbor|harbour]]. Mumbai's port handles over half of India's maritime cargo.<ref name="Manorama2006">{{ cite book | title = Manorama Yearbook 2006 | year = 2006 | publisher = Malayala Manorama | location = Kottayam, India | isbn = 8189004077 }}</ref>


Anyone who is old enough to remember knows when electronica emerged and what it was; in terms of it being everything electronic dance music was not, at that time.
Mumbai is the commercial and entertainment centre of India, generating 5% of India's [[GDP]]<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://mmrdamumbai.org/projects_muip.htm
|title=Mumbai Urban Infrastructure Project
|publisher=[[Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority|Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA)]]
|accessdate=2008-07-18}}</ref> and accounting for 25% of industrial output, 40% of maritime trade, and 70% of capital transactions to [[Economy of India|India's economy]].<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2299/dscn7619ql4.jpg
|title=Navi Mumbai International Airport
|publisher=City & Industrial Development Corporation of Maharashtra Limited
|format=[[JPEG|JPG]]
|accessdate=2008-07-18}}</ref> Mumbai is one of the world's top ten centres of [[commerce]] by global financial flow,<ref name="autogenerated1">{{cite web |url=http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/jun/18mumbai.htm |title=Mumbai among world's top 10 financial flow hubs |date=2007-06-18 |publisher=Rediff News}}</ref> home to such important financial institutions as the [[Reserve Bank of India]], the [[Bombay Stock Exchange]], the [[National Stock Exchange of India]] and the corporate [[List of Indian companies headquartered in Mumbai|headquarters]] of many [[List of Indian companies|Indian companies]] and numerous [[multinational corporations]]. The city also houses India's [[Hindi]] [[Indian cinema|film and television industry]], known as [[Bollywood]]. Mumbai's business opportunities, as well as its high [[Standard of living in India|standard of living]], attract migrants from all over India and, in turn, make the city a potpourri of many communities and [[culture of India|cultures]].


This is the earliest supporting doc I can find online but it serves to make the point:
== Etymology ==


'''
The name "Mumbai" is an [[eponym]], [[Etymology|etymologically]] derived from ''Mumba'' or ''Maha-Amba''{{ndash}} the name of the [[Hindu]] goddess [[Mumbadevi]]{{ndash}} and ''Aai'', "mother" in [[Marathi]].<ref>{{cite book |last=Sheppard |first=Samuel T |title=Bombay Place-Names and Street-Names:An excursion into the by-ways of the history of Bombay City |year=1917 |publisher=The Times Press |location=Bombay, India |pages=pp 104–105 |id={{ASIN|B0006FF5YU}} }}</ref> The former name ''Bombay'' had its origins in the 16th century when the [[Portugal|Portuguese]] arrived in the area and called it by various names, which finally took the written form ''Bombaim'', still common in current Portuguese use. After the [[British Empire|British]] gained possession in the 17th century, it was [[anglicise]]d to ''Bombay'', although it was known as ''Mumbai'' or ''Mambai'' to Marathi and Gujarati-speakers, and as ''Bambai'' in Hindi, Urdu.<ref>{{cite book |editor=Sujata Patel & Jim Masselos |title=Bombay and Mumbai. The City in Transition |chapter=Bombay and Mumbai: Identities, Politics and Populism |year=2003 |publisher=The Oxford University Press |location=Delhi, India |pages=pg 4 |isbn=0195677110}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last=Mehta |first=Suketu |title=Maximum City: MUMBAI Lost and Found |year=2004 |publisher=Penguin |location=Delhi, India |pages=pg 130 |isbn=0144001594 }}</ref> The name was officially changed to its Marathi pronunciation of ''Mumbai'' in 1995.
"In 1995, Electronica has become a nanotechnology, refrying the atoms of other musics into strange new hybrids. In the process, a lattice of invisible, interconnected networks has emerged to link disparate but like-minded musicians, labels and festivals. Rob Young maps the co-ordinates of the new urban music" [http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/215/ WIRE]'''


[[Image:Mumbai Taj.JPG|thumb|left|"Mumbai" written in [[Marathi language]] at the [[Taj Mahal Palace & Tower]].]]


Only later (US music industry) did the word electronica start to be used as an umbrella term for all forms of so called "vernacular" electronic music (non-academic) including many styles of electronic dance music. In this sense I agree that it is incorrect to use the
A widespread explanation of the origin of the traditional English name ''Bombay'' holds that it was derived from a Portuguese name meaning "good bay".<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.economist.com/cities/findStory.cfm?city_id=MBI&folder=Facts-History |title=Cities Guide: Mumbai |publisher=Economist.com}}</ref> This is based on the fact that ''bom'' (masc.) is Portuguese for "good" whereas the English word "bay" is similar to the Portuguese ''baía'' (fem., ''bahia'' in old spelling). The normal Portuguese rendering of "good bay" would have been ''boa bahia'' rather than the grammatically incorrect ''bom bahia''. However, it is possible to find the form ''baim'' (masc.) for "little bay" in sixteenth-century Portuguese.
word electronica to refer to a collection of musics which can clearly be seen as specific genres in their own right. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/143.117.78.169|143.117.78.169]] ([[User talk:143.117.78.169|talk]]) 21:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== history info is waaayy incorrect ==
Other sources have a different origin for the Portuguese [[toponym]] ''Bombaim''. José Pedro Machado's ''Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa'' ("Portuguese Dictionary of Onomastics and Etymology") mentions what is probably the first Portuguese reference to the place, dated from 1516, as ''Benamajambu'' or ''Tena-Maiambu'',<ref>{{cite book |last=Barbosa |first=Duarte |title=Livro Em Que Dá Relação Do Que Viu E Ouviu No Oriente |year=1516 |language=Portuguese |others=apud Machado, J.P., ''Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa''}}</ref> pointing out that "MAIAMBU"' seems to refer to Mumba-Devi, the Hindu goddess after which the place is named in Marathi (Mumbai). In that same century, the spelling seems to have evolved to ''Mombayn'' (1525)<ref>Documents from the "Tombo do Estado da Índia" (currently the Historical Archives of Goa or Goa Purabhilekha)</ref> and then ''Mombaim'' (1563).<ref>{{cite book |last=Orta |first=Garcia da |title=Colóquios Dos Simples E Drogas Da Índia |origyear=1565 |date=1891<!--to 1895--> |language=Portuguese |others=apud Machado, J.P., ''Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa''}}</ref> The final form ''Bombaim'' appears later in the 16th century, as recorded by Gaspar Correia in his ''Lendas da Índia'' ("Legends of India").<ref>{{cite book |last=Correia |first=Gaspar |title=Lendas da Índia |others="originally from the 16th century" |year=1858<!--and 1866-->}}</ref> J.P. Machado seems to reject the "Bom Bahia" hypothesis, asserting that Portuguese records mentioning the presence of a bay at the place led the English to assume that the noun (''bahia'', "bay") was an integral part of the Portuguese toponym, hence the English version Bombay, adapted from Portuguese.<ref>{{cite book |last=Machado |first=José Pedro |title=Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa |others=entry "Bombaim", Volume I |pages=pp. 265-266 }}</ref>


This article talks about how electronica started in the 1990s and blah blah blah. That may or may not be when the word electronica may have originally been coined, but it's hardly the beginning of the genre of electronica music. Any discussion of electronica's origins is completely inaccurate without lots of info on the ground breaking and highly influential work of groups like kraftwerk, synergy and others in the 70's and 80's.
== History ==
[[Image:Hajiali.jpg|thumb|The [[Haji Ali|Haji Ali Mosque]] was built in 1431, when Mumbai was under Islamic rule<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.mumbaimirror.com/net/mmpaper.aspx?page=article&sectid=15&contentid=2008080720080807031759454b559597f |title=Haji ali set to go, and rise again
|accessdate=2008-08-17
|publisher=[[Mumbai Mirror]]
|date=2008-08-07}}</ref>]]
{{main|History of Mumbai}}


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraftwerk
Artifacts found near [[Kandivali]] in northern Mumbai indicate that these islands had been inhabited since the [[Stone Age]]. Documented evidence of human habitation dates back to 250&nbsp;BCE, when it was known as ''Heptanesia'' ([[Ptolemy]]) ([[Ancient Greek]]: ''A Cluster of Seven Islands''). In the 3rd century BCE, the islands formed part of the [[Maurya]] Empire, ruled by the [[Buddhist]] emperor, [[Ashoka|Aşoka]]. During its first few centuries, control over Mumbai was disputed between the [[Indo-Scythian]] [[Western Satraps]] and the [[Satavahanas]]. The Hindu rulers of the [[Silhara dynasty|Silhara Dynasty]] later governed the islands until 1343, when the kingdom of [[Gujarat]] annexed them. Some of the oldest edifices of the archipelago&nbsp;– the [[Elephanta Island|Elephanta Caves]] and the [[Banganga Tank|Walkeshwar temple complex]] date from this era.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy_%28music%29 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.3.198.58|69.3.198.58]] ([[User talk:69.3.198.58|talk]]) 10:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
In 1534, the [[Portugal|Portuguese]] appropriated the islands from [[Bahadur Shah of Gujarat]]. They were ceded to [[Charles II of England]] in 1661, as [[dowry]]<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029394365&a=KCountryProfile&aid=1019061813652 |title=UK Government Foreign and Commonwealth Office |accessdate=2008-01-06 |date=2007-06-28}}</ref> for [[Catherine de Braganza]]. These islands, were in turn leased to the [[British East India Company]] in 1668 for a sum of [[pound sterling|£]]10 [[per annum]]. The company found the deep [[harbour]] on the east coast of the islands to be ideal for setting up their first port in the sub-continent. The population quickly rose from 10,000 in 1661, to 60,000 in 1675; In 1687, the British East India Company transferred its headquarters from [[Surat]] to Mumbai. The city eventually became the headquarters of the [[Bombay Presidency]].


[[Image:Gateway of India.jpg|thumb|The [[Gateway of India]] was built to commemorate the arrival in India, on 2 December 1911, of King [[George V of the United Kingdom|George V]] and Queen [[Mary of Teck|Mary]] and was completed on 4 December, 1924]]


== Where this term was born and where it's used? ==
From 1817 onwards, the city was reshaped with large [[civil engineering]] projects aimed at merging all the islands in the archipelago into a single amalgamated mass. This project, known as the [[Hornby Vellard]], was completed by 1845, and resulted in the total area swelling to 438&nbsp;[[Square kilometre|km²]]. In 1853, India's first passenger [[railway]] line was established, connecting Mumbai to the town of [[Thane]]. During the [[American Civil War]] (1861–1865), the city became the world's chief [[cotton]] trading market, resulting in a boom in the economy and subsequently enhancing the city's stature.


'' In the mid-1990s, electronica began to be used by '''MTV''' and '''major record labels''' to describe mainstream electronic dance music made by such artists as..''
The opening of the [[Suez Canal]] in 1869 transformed Bombay into one of the largest seaports on the [[Arabian Sea]].<ref>{{cite book |last=Dossal |first=Mariam |title=Imperial Designs and Indian Realities. The Planning of Bombay City 1845–1875 |location=Delhi |publisher=Oxford University Press |year=1991}}</ref> Over the next thirty years, the city grew into a major urban centre, spurred by an improvement in infrastructure and the construction of many of the city's institutions. The population of the city swelled to one million by 1906, making it the second largest in India after [[Calcutta]]. As capital of the [[Bombay Presidency]], it was a major base for the [[Indian independence movement]], with the [[Quit India Movement]] called by [[Mahatma Gandhi]] in 1942 being its most rubric event. After India's independence in 1947, it became the capital of [[Bombay State]]. In the 1950 the city expanded to its present limits by incorporating parts of Salsette island which lay to the north.


I take the article refers to MTV USA and record labels in USA. So why this information is missing from the article? {{unsignedIP2|20:24, 23 March 2008|88.195.121.45}}
After 1955, when the [[State of Bombay]] was being re-organised along linguistic lines into the states of [[Maharashtra]] and [[Gujarat]], there was a demand that the city be constituted as an autonomous city-state. [[Bombay Citizens' commitee]], an advocacy group comprising of leading Gujarathi industrialists lobbied for Mumbai's independent status. However, the [[Samyukta Maharashtra Samiti|Samyukta Maharashtra movement]] opposed this, and insisted that Mumbai be declared the capital of Maharashtra. Following protests in which 105 people were killed by police firing, Maharashtra state was formed with Mumbai as its capital on May 1, 1960.


== Thoughts... ==
[[Image:Image-Mumbai fountain.jpg|thumb|[[Flora Fountain]] was renamed [[Hutatma Chowk]] ("Martyr's Square") as a memorial to the [[Samyukta Maharashtra]] movement]]


Isn't it kind of strange how every artist mentioned in this article is NOT "electronica" according to their own wikipedia pages. This inconsistency will surely confuse a lot of readers. As I see it now, this genre is like an utterly superfluous genre that is like a layer above other styles of electronic music.
The late 1970s witnessed a construction boom and a significant influx of migrants, which saw Mumbai overtake [[Kolkata]] as India's most populous city. This influx caused unrest among local [[Maharashtrian]]s who worried about the loss of culture, jobs, and language.<ref>[http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=129954 Raj Thackeray has a point]</ref> The [[Shiv Sena]] Party was formed by [[Bal Thackeray]] for the purpose of securing the interests of Maharashtrians.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://in.rediff.com/election/2004/apr/23espec3.htm |title=Know your party |accessdate=2007-12-05 |author=Ashraf, Syed Firdaus |date=2004-04-23 |work=Elections 2004 Rediff Special |publisher=Rediff News}}</ref> The city's secular fabric was torn apart in the [[Bombay Riots|riots]] of 1992–93, after large scale sectarian violence caused extensive loss of life and property. A few months later, on March 12, [[1993 Bombay bombings|a series of co-ordinated bombings]] at several city landmarks by the [[Mumbai underworld]] killed around three hundred people. In 1995, the city was renamed ''Mumbai'' by the Shiv Sena government of Maharashtra, in keeping with their policy of renaming colonial institutions after historic local appellations. There have also been terrorist attacks, sponsored by Islamic extremists, on public transport buses in past years. In 2006, Mumbai was also the site of a [[11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings|major terrorist attack]] in which over two hundred people were killed when several bombs exploded almost simultaneously on the [[Mumbai Suburban Railway]].<ref>{{cite news |url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/south_asia/2006/mumbai_train_attacks/default.stm |title=Special Report: Mumbai Train Attacks |date=2006-09-30 |publisher=BBC |accessdate=2008-08-13}}</ref>


So instead of merging this article with electronic music, wouldn't it be better to make it clear that this "genre" is a label used by mainstream media to market some of the more commercial electronic music artists. Because after all electronica is "real" since it's actually used by a lot of people. It's just not a genre used to document music. As it is now, this article makes no sense to anyone unfamiliar with electronic music.
{{seealso|Timeline of Mumbai events}}


I might be worth mentioning that Discogs categorizes everything as first a "genre", which would be "electronic" for all electronic music, and then a "style", which can be trance, house or drum n bass for example. And electronica has no place there at all. It's basically how allmusic categorize it but they call it electronica instead of electronic music. However, according to this article electronica is a style of electronic music, although all the artists claimed to be electronica in fact produces other styles of electronic music.
== Geography ==
[[Image:Mumbaicitydistricts.png|thumb|The metropolis consists of the Mumbai city, Mumbai suburban district and also the cities of [[Navi Mumbai]] and [[Thane]]]]
{{main|Geography of Mumbai}}


The point is that this article is inconsistent with other wikipedia articles and should be changed to say it's basically a "tag" for some artists, but I don't think it should be merged since it's not really used synonymously with electronic music in any way.
Mumbai lies at the mouth of the [[Ulhas River]] off the western coast of India, in the coastal region known as the [[Konkan]]. It sits on [[Salsette Island]], partially shared with the district of Thane. Much of the city lies just above [[sea level]], with average elevations ranging from {{convert|10|m|ft|0|abbr=on}} to {{convert|15|m|ft|0|abbr=on}}. Northern Mumbai is hilly, and the highest point in the city is {{convert|450|m|ft|0|abbr=on}}.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.bhramanti.com/kanheri.html |title=Kanheri, Lungs of Mumbai |accessdate=2007-12-05 |author=Krishnadas Warrior}}</ref> The city spans a total area of 603&nbsp;[[Square kilometre|km²]] (233&nbsp;[[Square mile|sq&nbsp;mi]]).
At the moment this article is kind of a mess I think, isolated from other electronic music articles since people keeps removing electronica as a genre on artist pages anyway.
[[User:Bootini|Bootini]] ([[User talk:Bootini|talk]]) 14:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::: That's seems to be a personal opinion and remains [[WP:NOR|OR]] unless it can be sourced. --<span style="color:black; background: white; border: 1.5pt dotted black; padding: 0pt 4pt;">neon white</span><small> [[User_talk:Neon white|talk]]</small> 20:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:I fully agree with the above comment. Thank you, Bootini. [[User:Doktor Who|Doktor Who]] ([[User talk:Doktor Who|talk]]) 00:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


== NOT A REAL GENRE ==
[[Sanjay Gandhi National Park]] is located near to the city, and covers almost 1/6th of the city area. It is to be noted big cats such as [[leopard|panther]]s are still residing in this national park<ref>[http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=45505 A cat rouses Thane colony]</ref><ref>[http://ngcblog.nationalgeographic.com/explorer/?p=1 Killer Cats by Bijal Trivedi - National Geographic Channel]</ref> next to millions of people in an age of habitat shrinkage and species extinction.


Electronica is a non-existant genre invented by mainstream US media to describe what the world
Apart from the [[Bhatsa Dam]], six major lakes supply water to the city: [[Vihar Lake|Vihar]], [[Middle Vaitarna Dam|Vaitarna]], Upper Vaitarna, [[Tulsi Lake|Tulsi]], Tansa and [[Powai]]. Tulsi Lake and Vihar Lake are located in [[Borivili National Park]], within the city's metropolitan limits. The supply from [[Powai]] lake, also within the city limits, is used only for industrial purposes. Three small rivers, the Dahisar, Poinsar (or Poisar) and Ohiwara (or Oshiwara) originate within the park, while the now infamous [[Mithi River]] originates from Tulsi Lake and gathers water overflowing from Vihar and Powai Lakes. The coastline of the city is indented with numerous [[Creek (tidal)|creeks]] and bays. The eastern coast of Salsette Island is covered with large [[mangrove]] [[swamp]]s, rich in [[biodiversity]]. The western coast is mostly sandy and rocky.
had already been calling 'dance music'. {{unsignedIP2|22:32, 6 August 2008|87.232.224.10}}


==Why not redirect this to Electronic_Music?==
Soil cover in the city region is predominantly sandy due to its proximity to the sea. In the suburbs, the soil cover is largely alluvial and loamy. The underlying rock of the region is composed of black [[Deccan]] basalt flows, and their acid and [[Basic (chemistry)|basic]] variants dating back to the late [[Cretaceous]] and early [[Eocene]] [[geologic timeline|eras]]. Mumbai sits on a seismically active zone<ref>{{cite web |url=http://theory.tifr.res.in/bombay/physical/fault.html |title=The Seismic Environment of Mumbai |publisher=Tata Institute of Fundamental Research |accessdate=2007-12-06}}</ref> owing to the presence of three fault lines in the vicinity. The area is classified as a Zone III region, which means an earthquake of up to magnitude 6.5 on the [[Richter]]-scale may be expected.{{Fact|date=July 2008}}


Why not redirect this to Electronic_Music since this is what most people are thinking of anyway? Move this existing content into a subsection of Electronic_Music dedicated to the debate over the differences between the two. [[User:Zerod000|Zerod000]] 02:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
== Climate ==
[[Image:India mumbai temperature precipitation averages chart.svg|thumb|Average temperature and precipitation in Mumbai.]]
{{main|Climate of Mumbai}}


:I second that. Electronica is just a media buzzword for electronic music, and is not a unique style of music. Perhaps there could be a subsection in the electronic music article about the use of the term 'electronica'. Anybody object? [[User:Benjaminlobato|Benjaminlobato]] 02:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Lying in a [[tropical zone]] and the near the [[Arabian Sea]], Mumbai's climate falls into two main seasons: the humid and the dry season. The humid season, between March and October, is characterized by high humidity and temperatures of over {{convert|30|°C|°F|0}}. Between June and September, the monsoon rains lash the city supplying most of the city's annual rainfall of {{convert|2200|mm|in|1}}. The maximum annual rainfall ever recorded was {{convert|3452|mm|in|1}} in 1954.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://mdmu.maharashtra.gov.in/pages/Mumbai/mumbaiplanShow.php |title=Mumbai Plan |publisher=Department of Relief and Rehabilitation (Government of Maharashtra)}}</ref> The [[2005 Mumbai floods|highest rainfall]] recorded in a single day was {{convert|944|mm|in|2}} on [[2005-07-26]].<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1039257 |title=Three drown as heavy rain lashes Mumbai for the 3rd day |publisher=Daily News and Analysis |location=Mumbai |date=2006-07-03}}</ref> The dry season, between November and February, is characterized by moderate levels of humidity and warm to cool weather. Cold northerly winds are responsible for a mild chill during January and February.


::I triple that. The term ''Electronic Music'' already is and has always been what ''Electronica'' is trying to be. --[[User:Thykka|Thykka]] 00:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Annual temperatures range from a high of {{convert|38|°C|°F|0}} to a low of {{convert|11|°C|°F|0}}. The record high is {{convert|43.3|°C|°F|1}} and record low is {{convert|7.4|°C|°F|1}} on [[1962-01-22]].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.mherrera.org/temp.htm |title=Extreme temperatures |last=Herrera |first=Maximiliano |accessdate=2007-12-06}}</ref> Though {{convert|7.4|°C|°F|1}} is the lowest recorded by one of the two official meteorological weather stations, a low of {{convert|6.5|°C|°F|1}} was recorded on February 8, 2008 at a weather station near [[Kanheri Caves]] that lies within city limits.<ref>{{cite news |title=City continues to hover in 8-9 degree C range |publisher=[[Times of India]] |location=Mumbai |date=2008-02-10 }}</ref>


::: Number 4!! I agree.
== Economy ==
[[Image:BSE.jpg|thumb|The [[Bombay Stock Exchange]] is the oldest stock exchange in Asia.]]
{{main|Economy of Mumbai}}


:::: Number five here. If you absolutely want to keep the Electronica-term, at least keep bands like Chemical Brothers, Underworld and Daft Punk out of it. --[[User:Turbotape|Turbotape]] ([[User talk:Turbotape|talk]]) 15:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Mumbai is India's largest city. It serves as an important economic hub of the country, contributing 10% of all factory employment, 40% of all [[income tax]] collections, 60% of all [[Customs (tax)|customs duty]] collections, 20% of all central [[excise tax]] collections, 40% of India's [[foreign trade]] and {{INRConvert|40|b|-1}} in [[corporate tax]]es.<ref>{{cite book |title=Manorama Yearbook |publisher=Malayala Manorama |year=2003 |page=pp 678 |isbn=ISBN 81-900461-8-7}}</ref> Mumbai's per-capita income is {{INRConvert|48954||-1}} which is almost three times the national average.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.maharashtratourism.gov.in/MTDC/HTML/MaharashtraTourism/Default.aspx?strpage=../MaharashtraTourism/Trivia.html |title=Maharashtra&nbsp;— trivia |publisher=Maharashtra Tourism Development Corporation |accessdate=2007-12-07}}</ref> Many of India's numerous conglomerates (including [[State Bank Of India]], [[Tata Group]], [[Godrej]] and [[Reliance]]), and four of the [[Fortune Global 500]] companies are based in Mumbai. Many foreign banks and financial institutions also have branches in this area, the World Trade Centre (Mumbai)<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.wtcmumbai.org/ |title= Welcome To World Trade Centre, Mumbai |accessdate= 2008-02-14 |publisher=WTC Mumbai}}</ref> being the most prominent one. Until the 1980s, Mumbai owed its prosperity largely to textile mills and the seaport, but the local economy has since been diversified to include engineering, diamond-polishing, [[healthcare]] and [[information technology]]. Mumbai is home to the [[Bhabha Atomic Research Centre]], and most of India's specialized, technical industries, having a modern industrial infrastructure and vast, skilled human resources. Rising venture capital firms, start-ups and established brands work in [[aerospace]], [[optical engineering]], medical research, computers and electronic equipment of all varieties, shipbuilding and salvaging, and renewable energy and power.


:I don't disagree with the idea of merging the articles - however - the main article at [[Electronic music]] is already quite long. How would this article be mergbed into it without either causing confusion or excessive length? it seems to me that merging them would need to be done along with an overall reorganization of the article, dividing it into sections that could be forked off into separate articles - for example, electronic music in academia and electronic music in popular culture (that's just one suggestion).
State and central government employees make up a large percentage of the city's workforce. Mumbai also has a large unskilled and semi-skilled labour population, who primarily earn their livelihood as hawkers, taxi drivers, mechanics and other such [[blue collar]] professions. The port and shipping industry, too, employs many residents, directly or indirectly. In [[Dharavi]], in central Mumbai, there is an increasingly large [[recycling]] industry, processing recyclable waste from other parts of the city; the district has an estimated 15,000 single-room [[factory|factories]].<ref name="gua">[http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/mar/04/india.recycling Waste not, want not in the £700m slum], ''The Guardian'', 4 March 2007</ref>
[[Image:Mumbai Downtown.jpg|thumb|[[Cuffe Parade]] is a financial center, home to Mumbai's World Trade Center towers]]
The media industry is another major employer in Mumbai. Most of India's major television and satellite networks, as well as its major publishing houses, are headquartered here. The centre of the Hindi movie industry, [[Bollywood]] produces the largest number of films per year in the world; and the name Bollywood is a [[portmanteau]] of Bombay and Hollywood. [[Marathi television]] and [[Marathi cinema|Marathi film industry]] are also based in Mumbai.


:Does anyone have ideas about how this could be done? --[[User:Parzival418|Parzival418]] [[User talk:Parzival418|<sub>Hello</sub>]] 02:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Along with the rest of India, Mumbai, its commercial capital, has witnessed an [[economic boom]] since the liberalisation of 1991, the finance boom in the mid-nineties and the IT, export, services and [[Business Process Outsourcing|BPO]] boom in this decade. The middle class in Mumbai is the segment most impacted by this boom and is the driver behind the consequent consumer boom. Upward mobility among Mumbaikars has led to a direct increase in consumer spending. Mumbai has been ranked 10th among the world's biggest [[Commerce|centres of commerce]] in terms of financial flow in a survey compiled by Mastercard Worldwide.<ref name="autogenerated1" />


::IMHO everything concerning [[Electronic Music]] in [[Electronica]] should be moved to [[Electronic Music]] and [[Electronica]] should be re-written/modified to emphasize the term's commercial-buzzword'ish nature, and that it (contrary to popular belief) isn't really a genre in the same way as House, Tecnho or Trance at all. --[[User:Thykka|Thykka]] 04:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
== Civic administration ==
{{main|Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation}}
Mumbai consists of two distinct regions: the city and the suburbs, which also form two separate districts of Maharashtra. The city region is also commonly referred to as the ''Island City''.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.mmrdamumbai.org/projects_muip.htm |title=MMRDA Projects |accessdate=2007-12-06 |publisher=Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA)}}</ref>
The city is administered by the [[Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai|Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC)]] (formerly the Bombay Municipal Corporation), with executive power vested in the [[Municipal Commissioner of Mumbai|Municipal Commissioner]], who is an [[Indian Administrative Service|IAS officer]] appointed by the [[Maharashtra#Government|state government]]. The Corporation comprises 227 directly elected Councillors representing the twenty four [[Administrative divisions of Mumbai|municipal wards]], five nominated Councillors, and a titular [[Mayor of Mumbai|Mayor]]. The BMC is in charge of the civic and infrastructure needs of the metropolis. An Assistant Municipal Commissioner oversees each ward for administrative purposes. Almost all the state political parties field candidates in the elections for Councillors. The [[Mumbai Metropolitan Area|Mumbai Metropolitan Region]] consists of 7 Municipal Corporations and 13 Municipal Councils. In addition to the [[Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai|BMC]], it includes the Municipal Corporations of [[Thane]], [[Kalyan-Dombivali]], [[Navi Mumbai Municipal Corporation|Navi Mumbai]], [[Mira-Bhayandar]], [[Bhiwandi-Nizampur Municipal Corporation|Bhiwandi-Nizampur]] and [[Ulhasnagar]].<ref name="citymum">{{cite web
|url=http://www.citiesalliance.org/doc/events/2006/ppf-06/mumbai.pdf |title=Presentation on Mumbai Transformation Process |accessdate= 2008-02-16 |publisher=The Cities Alliance}}</ref>


:::KEEP SEPARATE. google 20 million results. whatever, ELECTRONICA is used in this country of my habitation by the industry as a specific genre and I run a music web site where i will use the concept. I will deliver suitable images here to illustrate the point but I beg you guys to leave the two articles existing, they are quite different facets of a similiar thing, but why be so surgically minded? why not spend the time and energy fixing them up and adding to them, like I intend to? there surely must be plenty of material out there. I attended many music shows, festivals, raves, international peace festivals, dance parties, block parties etc and there is more than enough real material out there to overflow these two and a lot more pages besides. We have a band called [[Pitch Black]], [[Pitch_Black_(band)]] that is recognised as our #1 'electronica' group. Wiki's opening statement says 'Pitch Black is a New Zealand electronica band that was formed in 1997.' so yeah, get real, there are 4 million people in this country, and thats good enough. see [http://www.music.gen.nz Rakiura Music] for the most awesome pictures. Look me up on myspace if you really want to support the cause, we can do this together. [http://www.myspace.com/mozaherd Myspace Mozaherd]. chur.. [[User:Mozasaur|moza]] 05:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC) moza//
[[Image:Highcourt.jpg|thumb|The [[Bombay High Court]] exercises jurisdiction over [[Maharashtra]], [[Goa]], [[Daman and Diu]], and [[Dadra and Nagar Haveli]].]]


::::MySpace popularity and media ignorance are not indications of factuality.[[User:Alexnye|Alexnye]] 07:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Greater Mumbai forms two [[List of Indian districts|districts]] of Maharashtra, each under the jurisdiction of a [[District Collector]]. The Collectors are in charge of property records and revenue collection for the [[Government of India|Central Government]], and oversee the [[Elections in India|national elections]] held in the city.


::::I'm sorry if you and your band don't benefit from the elimination of the Electronica-term. --[[User:Turbotape|Turbotape]] ([[User talk:Turbotape|talk]]) 15:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
The [[Mumbai Police]] is headed by a [[Police Commissioner of Mumbai|Police Commissioner]], who is an [[Indian Police Service|IPS]] officer. The Mumbai Police comes under the state Home Ministry. The city is divided into seven police zones and seventeen traffic police zones, each headed by a Deputy Commissioner of Police. The Traffic Police is a semi-autonomous body under the Mumbai Police.<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://www.mumbaipolice.org/ |title=MUMBAI POLICE: CUSTODIANS OF YOUR TRUST |accessdate=2008-01-27 |publisher=Mumbai Police}}</ref> The [[Mumbai Fire Brigade]] department is headed by the Chief Fire Officer, who is assisted by four Deputy Chief Fire Officers and six Divisional Officers.


'''The articles should not be merged!'''Electronic music is, by its purest definition, music which relies solely upon electronic sound sources to produce music - this is why it should not be merged with electronica, as a large proportion of music which is classified as "electronica" does not comply with this definition. By all means have a link that says "see also: electronica" but it should not be included in the same article.
Mumbai is the seat of the [[Bombay High Court]], which exercises jurisdiction over the states of [[Maharashtra]] and [[Goa]], and the [[Union Territory|Union Territories]] of [[Daman and Diu]] and [[Dadra and Nagar Haveli]]. Mumbai also has two lower courts, the [[Small Causes Court]] for civil matters, and the [[Sessions Court]] for criminal cases. Mumbai also has a special TADA (''Terrorist and Disruptive Activities'') court for people accused of conspiring and abetting acts of terrorism in the city.
A.F. London.{{unsigned|Friendant72|03:54, 18 May 2007}}


:That's an interesting way to differentiate the two, but I wonder if that might be original research or synthesis ([[WP:OR]]). Also, there is some question that Electronic Music must be made by only electronic instruments. What about music made be recording acoustic sounds and then applying extreme forms of electronic processing to the sound so that the original acoustic sound is not recognizable any more. Would that quliafy as Electronic music? To support your suggested view, we would need some pulished references ([[WP:RS]]). There might be some, but unless those sources are found, I don't see how we can make the jump to define Electronica in that way. --[[User:Parzival418|Parzival418]] [[User talk:Parzival418|<sub>Hello</sub>]] 20:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The city elects six members to the ''[[Indian Parliament|Lok Sabha]]'' and thirty-four members to the ''[[Maharashtra Vidhan Sabha]]'' (State Assembly). Mumbai is headed by mayor [[Shubha Raul]], [[Municipal Commissioner of Mumbai|Municipal Commissioner]] [[Jairaj Phatak]], and [[Sheriff of Mumbai|Sheriff]] [[Indu Shahani]].


::I always thought the term for what you're describing is [[electroacoustic music]]. Having said that though, that article's in a bit of a state, so it's not clear whether Wikipedia agrees with me. Also, I disagree with "music which relies ''solely'' upon electronic sound sources", I think it's more music which is focused around them. By that first definition, any track with a vocal in it can't be electronic music, which is a ludicrous claim.
== Transport ==
{{main|Public transport in Mumbai}}
[[Image:Best cbd wad.jpg|thumb|A [[Tata Motors]] low floor [[Bombay Electricity Supply Transport|BEST]] bus. New initiatives are being taken by the administration to make Mumbai into a world class city]]
[[Image:Mumbai Airport.jpg|thumb|[[Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport]] is [[South Asia]]'s busiest airport.<ref name="autogenerated2">[http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?aid=1777&sid=18&sname=Coverstory Travel Biz Monitor:: Mumbai airport gets ready for new innings<!--Bot-generated title-->]</ref>]]
Most of Mumbai's inhabitants rely on [[public transport]] to travel to and from their workplace. Transport systems in Mumbai include the [[Mumbai Suburban Railway]], [[Bombay Electricity Supply Transport|BEST]] buses, taxis, [[auto rickshaw]]s, ferries, and aeroplanes.


::Regarding this merge discussion, I've found several websites of interest which aren't Ishkur's guide. have a read through [http://ema.wsu.edu/?q=node/13 this] and [http://www.deepintense.com/dictionary_terminology_definitions.php this], which use electronica and electronic music as synonyms, [http://www.listology.com/content_show.cfm/content_id.28745/Music this] which still uses electronica as an general term, but with a slightly different definition. On the other hand, [http://www.beatport.com beatport] uses it as the name of a genre, and [http://www.soundclick.com/genres/charts.cfm?genre=Electronica soundclick] uses it as both a genre and an group of genres (?) so I really don't know. I think the conclusion here is that this issue needs hard sources, i.e. not on the internet, as there's too much contradiction out there.
The city is the headquarters of two [[Indian railways|railway zones]]: the Central Railway (CR) headquartered at [[Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus]], and the Western Railway (WR) headquartered near [[Churchgate]]. The backbone of the city's transport, the [[Mumbai Suburban Railway]], is composed of three separate networks running the length of the city, in a north-south direction.
The [[Mumbai Metro]], an underground and elevated railway system that is currently under construction, will run from Versova to Andheri to Ghatkopar when the first phase is completed in 2009. Mumbai is well connected to most parts of [[India]] by the [[Indian Railways]]. Trains originate from [[Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus]], [[Dadar]], [[Lokmanya Tilak Terminus]], [[Mumbai Central]], [[Bandra|Bandra terminus]] and Andheri. Mumbai's suburban rail systems carry a total of 6.3 million passengers every day.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.mrvc.indianrail.gov.in/overview.htm |title=Overview of existing Mumbai suburban railway |accessdate=2008-07-07 |publisher=Mumbai Rail Vikas Corporation}}</ref>


::On a side note, the comment below was removed as it was borderline copyvio, and we already have it quoted up there a bit. Also there's no such organisation as "the Official Electronic Music Genre Standards and Classifications Consortium" in case anyone reading this talk page actually needs telling... Ishkur's guide is not a reliable source here due to its inherent [[WP:NPOV|bias]]. <font face="Trebuchet MS">- '''Zeibura S. Kathau''' <sup>([[User:Zeibura|Info]] | [[User_talk:Zeibura|Talk]])</sup></font> 19:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Public [[buses]] run by [[Bombay Electricity Supply Transport|BEST]] cover almost all parts of the metropolis, as well as parts of [[Navi Mumbai]] and [[Thane]]. Buses are used for commuting short to medium distances, while train fares are more economical for long distance commutes. The BEST runs a total of 3,408 buses,<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.bestundertaking.com/trans_engg.asp |title=Composition of Bus Fleet |accessdate=2006-10-12 |publisher=BEST Undertaking}}</ref> ferrying 4.5 million passengers daily over 340 routes. Its fleet consists of single-decker, double-decker, vestibule, low-floor, disabled-friendly, air-conditioned and the recently introduced [[Euro III]] compliant [[compressed natural gas|CNG]] powered buses. [[MSRTC]] buses provide intercity transport and connect Mumbai with other major cities of [[Maharashtra]] and other states. The Mumbai Darshan is a tourist bus service which explores numerous [[List of tourist attractions in Mumbai|tourist attractions in Mumbai]]


:::You've added some more interesting content to the discussion here, including the links you mentioned. It's a difficult choice because there are so many semantic dimensions to consider. Regarding other sources - Billboard & iTunes both refer to the genre as "Electronic" not "Electronica". --[[User:Parzival418|Parzival418]] [[User talk:Parzival418|<sub>Hello</sub>]] 22:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Black and yellow-metered, [[taxis]] traverse most of the metropolis. [[Auto rickshaw]]s operate in the suburban areas of Mumbai. Rickshaws, which run on [[Compressed Natural Gas]], are the main form of hired transport. These three-wheeled vehicles are a quick way to get around. They are the cheapest form of hired transport and can accommodate up to three passengers.


::: Re: eletro-acoustic music: Interesting -- I'd tend to describe stuff that makes use of sampling as electronic, and stuff that's going through effects pedals as "electric" (by which I mean eletro-acoustic). As someone who thinks of himself as liking eg. some music with electric guitars, etc, but not liking electronic music (although there is one Utah Saints album I had... :) ), I tend to lean towards the philosophy that it's electro-acoustic if the effect can be achieved in an analogue fashion (even if it's done digitally, it '''can''' be done in an analogue fashion), and it's electronic if it's notdoable in an analogue fashion (although with scissors and a variable-speed tape recorder, it'd be possible to do sampling in an analogue fashion :) ). Hmm. I think I'll have to think some more -- I'm certainly no expert in electronic*. -- [[User:TimNelson|TimNelson]] 11:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Mumbai's [[Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport]] (formerly Sahar International Airport) is the busiest airport in South Asia.<ref name="autogenerated2" /> The [[Juhu aerodrome]] was India's first airport, and now hosts a [[flying club]] and a [[heliport]]. The proposed [[Navi Mumbai International airport|Navi Mumbai International Airport]] which is to be built in the Kopra-Panvel area, has been sanctioned by the Government and would help relieve the increasing traffic burden on the existing airport. Mumbai handles about 25% of the domestic and 38% of the international air passenger traffic in the country.


:What U.S. Americans describe as Electronica is common electronic music here in Europe. If you have a look at the French or German article, you will see that for us Europeans, Electronica describes a special style of music, it is mostly a definition for all experimental electronic music similar to IDM. Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, Moby, Royksopp are not Electronica. All the rock bands (might as well mention industrial bands like NIN or Manson here) are definitely not Electronica. This English article is actually completely wrong from a European point of view by describing electronic music in general or the use of synthesizers/computers and should be merged into "electronic music". [[User:213.189.139.251|213.189.139.251]] 07:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
With its unique topography, Mumbai has one of the best natural harbours in the world, handling 50% of the country's passenger traffic, and much of India's cargo.<ref name="Manorama2006" /> It is also an important base for the [[Indian Navy]], being the headquarters of the Western Naval Command.<ref>{{cite book |title=Manorama Yearbook 2003 |year=2003 |publisher=Malayala Manorama |location=Kottayam, India |pages=pp 524 |isbn=8189004077}}</ref> Ferries from [[Ferry wharf|Ferry Wharf]] allow cheap access to islands and beaches in the area.


I would vote Electronic Music merge with Electronica. I have always thought of Electronica as the overarching genre the holds all Electronic Music and sub-genres (Ambient, House, IDM...) as Rock might be the "over genre" thats hold everthing from [[Elvis Presley]] ([[Rock and roll]]) to [[Through the Eyes of the Dead]] ([[Deathcore]]). [[User:SelfStudyBuddy|SelfStudyBuddy]] 05:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
== Utility services ==
[[Image:Mumbai Bmc.jpg|thumb|BMC headquarters.]]
{{See also|Mumbai's water sources}}


:I agree with the last poster in that ''Electronica'' is the modern '''[[umbrella term]]''' for all forms of ''Electronic music'', in the same way as ''[[Rock music|Rock]]''. I would prefer the two articles be changed, but remain separate...
The [[Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai|BMC]] supplies [[potable water]] to the city, most of which comes from the Tulsi and Vihar lakes, as well as a few lakes further north. The water is filtered at [[Bhandup]], which is Asia's largest water filtration plant. Even [[India]]'s first underground water tunnel will come up in Mumbai.<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1151960 | title=Country's first water tunnel to come up in Mumbai |accessdate=2008-02-21 |publisher=DNA (Diligent Media Corporation Ltd.)}}</ref> The [[Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai|BMC]] is also responsible for the road maintenance and garbage collection in the city. Almost all of Mumbai's daily refuse of 7,800&nbsp;[[metric tonne]]s is transported to dumping grounds in [[Gorai]] in the northwest, [[Mulund]] in the northeast, and [[Deonar]] in the east. [[Sewage]] treatment is carried out at [[Worli]] and [[Bandra]], and disposed off by two independent [[marine outfall]]s of {{convert|3.4|km|mi|1|abbr=on}} and {{convert|3.7|km|mi|1|abbr=on}} at Bandra and Worli respectively. A third outfall at Malad is in the planning stages.


:*The ''[[Electronic music]]'' page should be changed to ''[[History of electronic music]]''. This is because it focuses on the history of such music, ''long'' before the term ''Electronica'' was in use. It could ''not'' accurately be called ''History of electronica'', because that is only a recent term.
[[Electricity]] is distributed by [[Bombay Electricity Supply Transport|BEST]] in the island city, and by [[Reliance Energy]], [[Tata Power]], and [[Mahavitaran]] (Maharashtra State Electricity Distribution Co. Ltd) in the suburbs. Most of the city's electricity is [[Hydroelectricity|hydroelectric]] and [[Nuclear energy|nuclear]] based. Consumption of electricity is growing faster than production capacity. The largest [[telephone]] service provider is the state-owned [[MTNL]], which held a [[monopoly]] over fixed line and cellular services up until 2000, and provides fixed line as well as mobile [[Wireless local loop|WLL]] services. [[Cell phone]] coverage is extensive, and the main service providers are [[Vodafone Essar]], [[Airtel]], [[MTNL]], [[BPL group]], [[Reliance Communications]], [[Idea Cellular]] and [[Tata Indicom]]. Both [[GSM]] and [[CDMA]] services are available in the city. [[Broadband internet]] penetration is increasing in the city, with MTNL and [[Tata group|Tata]] being the leading service providers.
:*''[[History of electronic music]]'' would concern the history and progression of this kind of music, while ''[[Electronica]]'' would be the genre page.
:*Both pages should discuss the two terms.
:--[[User:Superfopp|Superfopp]] 14:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


== Demographics ==
{{seealso|Growth of Mumbai|Mumbai statistics}}


NO CHANCE, '''ELETRONICA''' IS AN INDEPENDENT GENRE. YOU DONT GET ROCK, PUNK, EMO, HEAVY METAL ETC ETC ALL MERGED SO NO! THEY ARE ALL INDEPENDENT GENRE'S, ASWELL AS ELECTRONICA!!!
{{IndiaCensusPop
|title= Population Growth
|1971= 5970575
|1981= 8243405
|1991= 9925891
|2001= 11914398
|footnote= <center>Source: [http://www.mmrdamumbai.org/docs/Population%20and%20Employment%20profile%20of%20MMR.pdf www.mmrdamumbai.org] <br />Data is based on <br />[[Government of India]] Census.</center>
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| TK | [[User:88.109.117.135|88.109.117.135]] 20:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
According to the 2001 census, the population of Mumbai was 11,914,398,<ref>[http://www.mmrdamumbai.org/docs/Population%20and%20Employment%20profile%20of%20MMR.pdf Population and Employement profile of Mumbai Metropolitan Region], Census 2001, accessed August 5, 2008</ref> According to extrapolations carried out by the ''World Gazetteer'' in 2008, Mumbai has a population of 13,662,885<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.world-gazetteer.com/wg.php?x=&men=gcis&lng=en&dat=80&geo=-104&srt=pnan&col=aohdq&msz=1500&pt=c&va=&srt=pnan
: Please learn to post less garrishly and more contributively. [[User:Alexnye|Alexnye]] 07:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
|title=India: largest cities and towns and statistics of their population |accessdate=2008-01-31 |publisher=World Gazetteer}}</ref> and the [[Mumbai metropolitan area|Mumbai Metropolitan Area]] has a population of 20,870,764.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.world-gazetteer.com/wg.php?x=&men=gcis&lng=en&dat=80&geo=-104&srt=pnan&col=aohdq&msz=1500&va=&pt=a
|title=India: metropolitan areas |accessdate=2008-01-17 |publisher=World Gazetteer}}</ref> The population density is estimated to be about 22,000 persons per square kilometre. The overall literacy rate of the city is above 86%, higher than the national average.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.censusindiamaps.net/page/Religion_WhizMap1/housemap.htm |title=Census GIS India&nbsp;— Census of India 2001 |year=2006 |publisher=Census of India}}</ref> There are 875 females to every 1,000 males, lower than the national average.{{Fact|2008|date=August 2008}}


I vote strongly for a merge. [[User:Alexnye|Alexnye]] 07:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
The religions represented in Mumbai include [[Hindu]]s (80%), [[Muslim]]s (14%), and [[Christianity|Christians]] and [[Sikh]]s (2.5%). The remainder are [[Parsi people|Parsis]] 100,000, [[Jains]] 4% or around 500,000,[[Buddhist]]s, [[Jew]]s and [[atheist]]s.{{Fact|date=February 2008}}


Electronica is not a genre; it is a misnomer. The term appears to have arisen in the nineties as a means of calling something techno without using the word techno, likely in an attempt to distance the newer electronic music from the geekier and more obscure techno scene. I believe that [[Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music|Ishkur]] put it best when he described the "genre":
[[Image:Mumbai skyline B&W.jpg|thumb|Since the 1970s, Mumbai has witnessed a construction boom and a significant influx of migrants, making it India's largest city.]]


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According to the 1991 census, the linguistic groups' demographics are: [[Maharashtrians]] (53%), [[Gujaratis]] (22%), [[North Indians]] (17%), [[Tamils]] (3%), [[Sindhi people|Sindhis]] (3%), [[Tuluvas]]/[[Kannadigas]] (2%) and others.{{Fact|date=February 2008}}
Electronica does not exist. Not as a genre or a description. It was coined by the North American music press to refer to the second wave of electronic music's explosion in the late 90s, and exists purely as a marketing buzzword, not any actual quantifiable branch of music (the first wave of electronic music, incidentally, they called 'techno', and, having driven the word into the ground beyond all sense of meaning, they couldn't keep using it if they wished to re-market the music). Daft Punk, Fatboy Slim, Prodigy's 'Fat of the Land', Chemical Brothers and other big-time stars of that period were all called "electronica" at one point or another, but the person who really popularized it in the public consciousness was Madonna and her shallow, William Orbit-produced piss-poor attempt at appropriating trance music as something she invented (Ray of Light). She used that word all the damn time in interviews. God I hate her. So yeah: There is no such thing as electronica. I want each and every one of you to stop calling it that, because it makes you sound like a god damn retard. If you want to talk about the music as a whole, simply call it what it is: "electronic music" (or EDM--Electronic Dance Music--for the club/rave stuff). This is a PSA from the Official Electronic Music Genre Standards and Classifications Consortium. [http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html]
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In summation, electronica is not a genre and wikipedia shouldn't be helping to perpetuate the misconception that it is. --[[User:Gwax|gwax]] <small>[[Uncyclopedia:Main Page|UN]]</small> ([[User talk:Gwax|say hi]]) 17:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Mumbai has a large [[Multilingualism|polyglot]] population like any other [[Status of Indian cities|metropolitan city]] of India. [[Marathi]], the official language of Maharashtra state, is widely spoken. Other languages spoken are [[Hindi]], Gujarathi and [[English language|English]]. A colloquial form of Hindi, known as ''[[Bambaiya]]''{{ndash}} a blend of [[Marathi]], [[Hindi]], [[Indian English]] and some invented words{{ndash}} is spoken on the streets. English is extensively spoken and is the principal language of the city's [[white collar]] workforce.


::: I vote for a merge. Please merge, really. "Electronica" has become the rock-press' default label for anything even remotely electronic sounding, so far, I have heard everything from Autechre to the Prodigy refered to as "electronica", basically, if it's visible on the rock radar, it's called electronica and it's absolutely ridiculous. It's electronic music and it has its subgenres, but "electronica" is not one of them.[[User:Seeofseaof|Seeofseaof]] ([[User talk:Seeofseaof|talk]]) 14:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Like other [[metropolis]]es in the developing world, Mumbai suffers from the same major urbanisation problems seen in many fast growing cities in [[developing countries]]: widespread poverty and unemployment, poor public health and poor civic and educational standards for a large section of the population. With available space at a premium, Mumbai residents often reside in cramped, relatively expensive housing, usually far from workplaces, and therefore requiring long commutes on crowded mass transit, or clogged roadways. According to 2001 census of India, about 54% of the city's population lives in slums.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3761/is_200609/ai_n17197135/pg_5 |title=India's Population Reality: Reconciling Change and Tradition |accessdate=2008-01-19 |author=Haub, Carl, Sharma, O P |publisher=CNET Networks, Inc.}}</ref> [[Dharavi]], [[Asia]]'s second largest [[slum]] is located in central Mumbai and houses over 1 million people.<ref>[http://seabed.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0705/feature3/index.html National Geographic: Dharavi, Mumbai's Shadow City]</ref> Mumbai recorded 27,577 incidents of crime in 2004, which is down 11% from 30,991 in 2001. The city's main jail is the [[Arthur Road Jail]]. The number of migrants to Mumbai from outside [[Maharashtra]] during the 1991-2001 decade was 1.12 million, which amounted to 54.8% of the net addition to the population of Mumbai.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://maccia.org.in/ecoSmaha06.pdf |title=HIGHLIGHTS OF ECONOMIC SURVEY OF MAHARASHTRA 2005-06 |accessdate=2008-02-13 |publisher=DIRECTORATE OF ECONOMICS & STATISTICS, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, GOVERNMENT OF MAHARASHTRA, MUMBAI|format=PDF}}</ref>


: I vote for merge. Electronica should be redirected to Electronic Music. There are sources out there that say Electronica is a seperate genre but they fail because they were badly written and have been wiped out over history. Whacky morons trying to change history use a few bad sources to wrongly negate the truth in this article. [[User:Electronicer|Electronicer]] ([[User talk:Electronicer|talk]]) 15:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
== People and culture ==
{{main|Mumbai culture}}
[[Image:Mumbai India.jpg|thumb|The [[Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus]], headquarters of the [[Central Railway (India)|Central Railway]], is a [[UNESCO]] [[World Heritage Site]].]]
[[Image:Chowpatti.jpg|thumb|[[Girgaum Chowpatty|Chowpatty]] is one of the most famous beaches of Mumbai and a prime spot for Mumbai's roadside cuisine.]]
[[Image:Ganesh utsav.jpg|thumb|[[Ganesh Chaturthi]], a popular festival in Mumbai.]]
A resident of Mumbai is called a ''[[Mumbaikar]]'', ''Mumbaiite'' or ''Bombayite''. Many residents live close to major railway stations for easy access to their workplaces, as a significant amount of time is spent on daily commuting. Mumbai's appetizing foods and cuisines have been influenced by the rich but not too spicy styles of cooking from [[Maharashtra]] and surrounding [[Gujarat]] state. Some of the unique and famous palatable specialties include ''Dhan Sak'', ''Khicheri'', ''Bombli Batata Bhaji'', ''Kamag Kakri'', ''Solachi Kadhi'', ''Min Vela Curry'' and ''Curried [[Bombay Duck]]''.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.hillmanwonders.com/cuisines/mumbai_cuisine.htm |title=Mumbai Cuisine |accessdate=2008-01-19 |author=Howard Hillman |publisher=HQP / Hillman Quality Publications}}</ref> Local roadside [[fast food]] includes [[vada pav]], [[panipuri]], paav bhaji, and [[bhelpuri]].


:Definitely merge. There is no such genre as electronica. The only places I recall that label is from mainstream media anyway. It's total nonsense and wikipedia should not help encourage it. In a way, it's kind of like of euphemism for people who realize it's ignorant too call it 'Techno' like the mainstream usually calls all electronic music. <br/>[[User:Bootini|Bootini]] ([[User talk:Bootini|talk]]) 10:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Mumbai is the birthplace of [[Indian cinema]]{{ndash}} [[Dadasaheb Phalke]] laid the foundations with silent movies followed by [[Marathi cinema|Marathi talkies]]{{ndash}} and the oldest film broadcast here in the early 20th century. Mumbai also boasts of large number of cinemas, including the world's largest [[IMAX]] dome theatre,<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.adlabscinemas.com/imax.asp |title=AdLabs: The IMAX Experience |accessdate=2007-08-22 |publisher=AdLabsCinemas.com}}</ref> which feature mainstream [[Bollywood]], [[Marathi]] and [[Hollywood]] movies. Many film festivals are avidly attended throughout the year. Besides catering to cinephiles, the city has a thriving theatrical tradition in Marathi, Hindi, Urdu, English and other regional languages.


: ''Merge''. I agree with Ishkur in that there is no such thing as electronica. In my own experience, the term is used so erratically its impossible to determine the meaning (it's either used synonymously with electronic music, or to mean some elusive genre of electrorock, chiptune, house, trip hop, vibe, or trance that I've never actually pinned down). [[User:Michaelpb|michaelb]] <sup>[[User talk:michaelpb|<i>Talk to this user</i>]]</sup> 18:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Contemporary art is well-represented in both government funded art spaces and private commercial galleries. The government-funded [[art gallery|art galleries]] include The [[Jehangir Art Gallery]] and The [[National Gallery of Modern Art]]. Built in 1833, the [[Asiatic Society of Bombay]] is the oldest [[public library]] in the city. The [[Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Museum|Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Vastu Sangrahalaya]] (formerly The Prince of Wales Museum) is a renowned museum in the heart of [[South Mumbai]] near the [[Gateway of India]] which houses rare and ancient exhibits of Indian history.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.bombaymuseum.org/ |title=Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Vastu Sangrahalaya |accessdate=2007-01-30 |publisher=Prince of Wales Museum of Western India, Mumbai}}</ref> Mumbai has a very popular zoo named [[Jijamata Udyaan]] which also harbours a garden within its boundaries.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.mumbainet.com/travel/vjbudyan.htm |title=Veermata Jeejabai Udyan |accessdate=2007-01-30 |publisher=Mumbai on the net}}</ref> The city of Mumbai is home to many well known Indian [[List of poets from Mumbai|poets]].


:: Electronica is a seperate defined genre, it is well cited in the article, it is a type of electronic music but it is not synonymous. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources not based on individuals personal opinions, prejudices and misconceptions. --<span style="color:black; background: white; border: 1.5pt dotted black; padding: 0pt 4pt;">neon white</span><small> [[User_talk:Neon white|talk]]</small> 20:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Mumbai has two [[World Heritage Sites|UNESCO World Heritage Sites]], the [[Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus]] and the [[Elephanta Caves]].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://whc.unesco.org/en/statesparties/in |title=India: World heritage sites centre |accessdate=2007-08-09 |publisher=[[UNESCO]]}}</ref> The [[Western Railway (India)|Western Railways]] is also planning to make a proposal to the [[UNESCO]] to include the [[Churchgate]] building in the list of [[World Heritage Sites]].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1090556 |title=A heritage tag for Churchgate? |accessdate=2008-02-14 |publisher=Diligent Media Corporation |author=Shweta Karnik}}</ref> Popular places in the city are [[Nariman Point]], [[Girgaum Chowpatti]], [[Juhu Beach]], and [[Marine Drive]]. Essel World<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.esselworld.com/ |title=Essel World |accessdate=2008-01-29}}</ref> is an international-style theme park and amusement centre situated close to Gorai Beach. Asia's largest theme water park, Water Kingdom, is also located in Mumbai.
::: All the sources prove is the fact that people use the term Electronica. Look carefully and you`ll notice how it is used synonymously with Electronic Dance Music. I suggest a merge with Electronic dance music. The "personal opinions, prejudices and misconceptions" that you mentioned would be better described as a consensus that differs to your opinion... <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/202.215.53.124|202.215.53.124]] ([[User talk:202.215.53.124|talk]]) 04:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Merge Electronica into EDM ??? ==
Mumbai residents celebrate [[Western culture|Western]] and [[Indian festivals]] with great fanfare. [[Diwali]], [[Holi]], [[Christmas]], [[Navratri]], [[Good Friday]], [[Dussera]], [[Moharram]], [[Ganesh Chaturthi]], [[Durga Puja]] and [[Maha Shivratri]] are some of the popular festivals in the city. The Kala Ghoda Festival is an exhibition of a world of arts that encapsulates works of artistes in the fields of music, dance, theater, and films.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.kalaghodaassociation.com/ |title=Kala Ghoda Association |accessdate=2008-02-06}}</ref> A week long fair known as Bandra Fair or Mount Mary Festival is celebrated by people of all faiths. The Banganga Festival is a two-day music festival, held annually in the month of January, which is organised by the Maharashtra Tourism Development Corporation (MTDC) at the historic [[Banganga Tank]] in Mumbai.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.maharashtratourism.gov.in/MTDC/HTML/MaharashtraTourism/Default.aspx?strpage=../MaharashtraTourism/MTDC_Festival/Banganga_Festival.html |title=The Banganga Festival |accessdate=2008-02-07 |publisher=Maharashtra Tourism Development Corporation}}</ref> The Elephanta Festival which is celebrated every February on the [[Elephanta Island]]s, is dedicated to the classical Indian Dance and Music with artists from across the country arriving on the island.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.maharashtratourism.gov.in/MTDC/HTML/MaharashtraTourism/Default.aspx?strpage=../MaharashtraTourism/MTDC_Festival/Elephanta_Festival.html |title=The Elephanta Festival |accessdate=2008-02-07 |publisher=Maharashtra Tourism Development Corporation}}</ref>

Mumbai has [[sister city]] agreements with the following cities:<ref>{{cite web
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* {{flagicon|USA}} [[Los Angeles, California|Los Angeles]], [[United States]].
* {{flagicon|JPN}} [[Yokohama]], [[Japan]].
* {{flagicon|UK}} [[London]], [[United Kingdom]].
* {{flagicon|GER}} [[Berlin]], [[Germany]].
* {{flagicon|Germany}} [[Stuttgart]], [[Germany]].
* {{flagicon|RUS}} [[Saint Petersburg]], [[Russia]].

== Media ==
{{seealso|List of Mumbai radio stations}}
[[Image:Bolywood.jpg|thumb|[[Bollywood]] is the world's largest movie industry and has the largest viewership]]
[[Image:Crossroads-Mall-4.jpg|thumb|Malls are new phenomina in the world]]
Mumbai has numerous [[Indian newspapers|newspaper]] publications and television and radio stations. Popular English language newspapers published and sold in Mumbai include the ''[[Times of India]]'', ''[[MiD DAY|Mid-day]]'', ''[[D N A - Daily News And Analysis|DNA]]'', and ''[[Indian Express]]''. [[Marathi language|Marathi]] newspapers include ''[[Loksatta]]'', ''[[Lokmat]]'' and ''[[Maharashtra Times]]''. Newspapers are also printed in other Indian languages. Mumbai is home to Asia's oldest newspaper, ''[[Bombay Samachar]]'', which has been published in Gujarati since 1822. ''Bombay Durpan'' - the first Marathi newspaper&nbsp;— was started by Balshastri Jambhekar in Mumbai in 1832.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/br/2002/02/05/stories/2002020500040500.htm |title=Privatising emancipation (A Book Review) |author=Veena Naregal |work=Language, Politics, Elites, and the Public Sphere |publisher=[[The Hindu]] |accessdate=2007-12-24}}</ref> Popular magazines are ''Saaptahik Sakaal'', ''Lokprabha'' in [[Marathi language|Marathi]] and ''[[India Today]]'', ''Outlook'' in [[English language|English]].

Numerous [[Television in India|Indian]] and foreign channels can be watched in Mumbai. Mumbai households receive over a hundred television channels via cable, and a majority of them are produced to cater to the city's [[Multilingualism|polyglot]] populace. The metropolis is also the hub of many international media corporations, with many news channels and print publications having a major presence. The national television broadcaster, [[Doordarshan]], provides two free terrestrial channels, while three main cable networks serve most households. [[ESPN]],[[Star Sports]],[[Zee Marathi]], [[ETV Marathi]], DD Sahyadri, Mee Marathi, Zee Talkies, [[Zee TV]], [[STAR Plus]] and news channels like Star Majha are popular. Popular news channels entirely dedicated to Mumbai and Maharashtra include Marathi news channels ''[[Star Majha]]'', ''[[Zee 24 Taas]]'', and ''Sahara Samay Mumbai''. [[Direct broadcast satellite|Satellite television (DTH)]] has yet to gain mass acceptance, due to high installation costs. Popular [[Direct broadcast satellite|DTH]] entertainment services in Mumbai include [[Dish TV India|Dish TV]] and [[Tata Sky]]. There are twelve radio stations in Mumbai, with nine broadcasting on the [[Frequency modulation|FM]] band, and three [[All India Radio]] stations broadcasting on the [[Amplitude modulation|AM]] band.<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://www.asiawaves.net/india/maharashtra-radio.htm#mumbai-radio |title=Radio stations in Maharashtra, India |accessdate=2008-01-18
|publisher=Asiawaves}}</ref> Mumbai also has access to popular [[Commercial broadcasting|Commercial radio]] providers like [[WorldSpace]], [[Sirius Satellite Radio|Sirius]] and [[XM Satellite Radio|XM]]. The Conditional Access System (CAS) started by the [[Government of India|Union Government]] in 2006 has met a very poor response in Mumbai due to the arduous competition from its sister technology [[Direct broadcast satellite|Direct-to-Home (DTH)]] transmission service.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/856609.cms |title=Few takers for CAS in Mumbai |accessdate=2008-01-22 |date=[[2006-12-20]] |publisher=[[The Times of India|Times Internet Limited]]}}</ref>

[[Bollywood]], the Hindi film industry that is the largest [[film producer]] in the world, is based in Mumbai. [[Bollywood]] produces more than 800 films a year, twice as many as [[Cinema of the United States|Hollywood]]. It has an audience of 3.6 billion people.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.businessweek.com//magazine/content/02_48/art02_48/a48tab37.gif |title=Bollywood vs. Hollywood |format=[[Graphics Interchange Format|GIF]] |publisher=[[BusinessWeek]] |accessdate=2007-12-24 |year=2002}}</ref> Film studios in Goregaon, including [[Film City]], are the location for many movie sets. The [[Marathi cinema|Marathi Film Industry]] is also based in Mumbai.

== Education ==
[[Image:Nehru c.jpg|thumb|The [[Nehru Science Centre]] in Mumbai is India's largest interactive science centre.]]
{{seealso|List of colleges in Mumbai}}

Schools in Mumbai are either "municipal schools" (run by the [[Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai|BMC]]) or private schools (run by trusts or individuals), which in some cases receive financial aid from the government. The schools are affiliated either with the [[Maharashtra State Secondary and Higher Secondary Education Board|Maharashtra State Board (MSBSHSE)]], the all-India [[Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations|Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations (CISCE)]] and the [[CBSE|Central Board for Secondary Education (CBSE)]] boards. [[Marathi language|Marathi]] or [[English language|English]] is the usual language of instruction. The government run public schools lack many facilities, but are the only option for poorer residents who cannot afford the more expensive private schools. A majority of residents prefer private schools because of better infrastructure.

Under the [[10+2+3 plan|10+2+3/4 plan]], students complete ten years of schooling, and then enroll for two years in [[Junior College]], where they select one of three streams: [[liberal arts|arts]], commerce or science. This is followed by either a general degree course in a chosen field of study, or a professional degree course, such as law, engineering, medicine etc. Most colleges in the city are affiliated with the [[University of Mumbai]], one of the largest [[university|universities]] in the world in terms of the number of graduates. The [[IIT Bombay|Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay]] which is India's premier engineering schools, National Institute of Industrial Engineering (NITIE), Narsee Monjee Institute of Management Studies (NMIMS), [[VJTI|VJTI (Veermata Jijabai Technological Institute)]], [[SNDT Women's University]], [[Tata Institute of Social Sciences]] are the other universities in Mumbai. Mumbai is also home to [[Jamnalal Bajaj Institute of Management Studies|Jamnalal Bajaj Institute of Management Studies (JBIMS)]], the esteemed business and management school in Asia{{Fact|date=August 2008}}. The oldest law school in India, [[Government Law College]], is also in Mumbai.{{fact|date=September 2008}} The [[Sir J. J. School of Art]], is affiliated with the University of Mumbai, and offers degrees in fine art and sculpture. It won the Award of Distinction at the [[UNESCO]] Asia-Pacific Heritage Awards in 2006.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.unesco.or.id/activities/culture/programme/310.php |title=
An Heritage Award of Distinction to Han Jiang Ancestral Temple in Penang, Malaysia |accessdate=2008-07-12 |publisher=[[UNESCO]]}}</ref>

Mumbai is home to two of India's important research institutions&nbsp;– The Tata Institute of Fundamental Research ([[TIFR]]), Indian Institute of Technology&nbsp;— Bombay and the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre ([[Bhabha Atomic Research Centre|BARC]]). The BARC operates [[CIRUS]], a 40 MW nuclear research reactor at their facility in [[Trombay]].

== Sports ==
[[Image:Brabourne.jpg|thumb|[[Brabourne Stadium]], one of the oldest cricket stadiums in the city.]]
[[Image:VJM01.jpg|thumb|[[Force India]] F1 team unveiled its 2008 car in Mumbai]]
[[Cricket]] is the most popular sport in the city, and is usually played in the [[maidan]]s (grounds) around the city. [[Backyard cricket|Gully cricket]], a modified form of cricket, is played in the narrow by-lanes of the city. Mumbai is home to the [[Board of Control for Cricket in India]] (BCCI). International cricket is widely watched, and the city comes to a virtual standstill on days when the [[Indian cricket team]] plays important matches. The [[Mumbai cricket team]] represents city in the [[Ranji Trophy]], India's domestic cricketing circuit. The city is represented by [[Mumbai Indians]] in the [[Indian Premier League]], and by [[Mumbai Champs]] in the [[Indian Cricket League]]. The city has two international cricket stadiums, the [[Wankhede Stadium]] and the [[Brabourne Stadium]]. The Wankhede stadium is set to host the final of [[2011 Cricket World Cup]]. Eminent cricketers from Mumbai include [[Sachin Tendulkar]], [[Sunil Gavaskar]] and [[Vijay Hazare]].

[[Football (soccer)|Football]] is the second most popular sport with the city. The [[Football World Cup]] is one of the most widely watched television events in Mumbai. India's national sport, [[field hockey]], has gone into decline in the recent years, losing out in terms of popularity to cricket. Mumbai is home to the [[Maratha Warriors]], one of the few teams competing for the [[Premier Hockey League|Premier Hockey League (PHL)]] from [[Maharashtra]]. [[Chess]] is also a very popular indoor sport played in Mumbai. Other sports are mostly played in the numerous clubs and [[gymkhana]]s, and include [[Lawn tennis|tennis]], [[Squash (sport)|squash]], [[billiards]], [[badminton]], [[table tennis]] and [[golf]]. Mumbai also plays [[Rugby union]], one of the few Indian cities to do so. Every February, Mumbai holds the [[Derby (horse race)|Derby]] races in the [[Mahalaxmi Racecourse]]. In recent times [[Formula 1|Formula 1 (F1)]] racing has also become popular and the [[Force India]] F1 team unveiled its 2008 car in Mumbai.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://uk.reuters.com/article/motorSportsNews/idUKL2521523620080125 |title=Motor racing-Force India F1 team to launch 2008 car in Mumbai |date=[[2008-01-25]] |accessdate= 2008-01-27 |publisher=uk.reuters.com}}</ref> In March 2004, the Mumbai Grand Prix was held as part of the [[F1 Powerboat Racing|F1 powerboat world championship]]. Other sports such as [[volleyball]] and [[basketball]] are mostly popular in schools and colleges.

In 2004, the [[Mumbai Marathon]], an annual marathon event, was established in a bid to bring the sport to the Indian public. Since 2006, Mumbai has also played host to the [[Kingfisher Airlines Tennis Open]], an [[International Series Tournaments|International Series]] tournament of the [[Association of Tennis Professionals|ATP Tour]]. [[United Breweries Group|Mcdowell's]] [[Derby]] is held in February at the [[Royal Western India Turf Club|Turf club]] in Mumbai.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1233374.cms
|publisher=[[The Times of India]]
|date=[[2007-01-17]]
|title=Mallya, Diageo fight for McDowell Derby
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== See also ==
{{Mumbai topics}}
{{Tourist attractions in Mumbai}}

== References ==
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== Further reading ==
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* Agarwal, Jagdish; ''Bombay&nbsp;— Mumbai: A Picture Book'' (1998)&nbsp;— Wilco Publishing House, ISBN 81-87288-35-3.
* ''BusinessWeek''; August 12, 2005; "China and India" special coverage.
* Chaudhari, K.K; ''History of Bombay'' (1987)&nbsp;— Modern Period Gazetteers Dept., Govt. of Maharashtra.
* [[Behram Contractor|Contractor, Behram]]; ''From Bombay to Mumbai'' (1998)&nbsp;— Oriana Books.
* Dwivedi, Sharada & Mehrotra, Rahul; ''Bombay, The Cities Within'' (1995)&nbsp;— India Book House Pvt. Ltd. ISBN 81-85028-80-X.
* Fox, Edmund A; ''Short History of Bombay Presidency'' (1887)&nbsp;— Thacker & Co&nbsp;— No ISBN.
* ''Imperial Gazetteer of India: vol. vii, Behrampore to Bombay''. Oxford at the Clarendon Press. 1908. 421 pages.
* [[Arun Katiyar|Katiyar, Arun]] & Bhojani, Namas; ''Bombay, A Contemporary Account'' (1996)&nbsp;— Harper Collins ISBN 81-7223-216-0.
* MacLean, James Mackenzie; ''A Guide to Bombay'' (1875 & 1902)&nbsp;— Various editions; No ISBN.
* Mappls&nbsp;— ''Satellite based comprehensive maps of Mumbai'' (1999)&nbsp;— CE Info Systems Ltd. ISBN 81-901108-0-2.
* ''Our Greater Bombay'' (1990)&nbsp;— Maharashtra State Bureau of Textbook Production and Curriculum Research.
* [[Suketu Mehta|Mehta, Suketu]] ; ''Maximum City: Bombay Lost and Found'' (2004)&nbsp;— Knopf ISBN 0-375-40372-8.
* Patel, Sujata & Thorner, Alice; ''Bombay, Metaphor for Modern India'' (1995)&nbsp;— [[Oxford University Press]], ISBN 0-19-563688-0.
* ''The Oxford School Atlas''; 28th Revised Edition (1991)&nbsp;— Oxford University Press ISBN 0-19-563316-4.
* Tindall, Gillian; ''City of Gold'' (1992)&nbsp;— Penguin, ISBN 0-14-009500-4,
* Virani, Pinki; ''Once was Bombay'' (1999)&nbsp;— Viking, ISBN 0-670-88869-9.
* Sharada Dwivedi,[http://www.hvk.org/articles/0605/63.html ''Goddess Island''] Indian Express, June 6, 2005.
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To be frank Electronica and Electronic dance music are pretty much teh exact same thing. The confusion is because different journalists and groups have taken different meanings for them both. Pretty much EDM article and electronica need a lot of work, they should be merged to one article. The main point is Electronica and EDM refer to the same artists and if people actually bothered to work on these articles then they would look pretty much like competing versions of the same thing. That's why they should definitely be one article together.
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More evidence of [[User:Semitransgenic|Semitransgenic]] abuse: he has seen the results of the investigation into his charges of sock/meat puppetry against me here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Tellus_archivist) and knows (see his contrib page) me to be innocent of them -- yet he repeats them and has not apologized to me as he promised he would. As you can see, the result of his harassment was: "Clerk note: I've indefblocked Taxisfolder as an abandoned account but there is no overlap in activity or block evasion, so Valueyou is left alone. —Wknight94 (talk) 15:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


I ask here for a Consensus that disciplinary measures be taken against [[User:Semitransgenic|Semitransgenic]] as he is a bully and self-declared nazi (see the top of my talk page – that is how he introduced himself to me). I may or may not be of the Jewish faith, but either way I find this kind of macho posturing repugnant. He also addressed me as “dude” later on in my talk page and as I am not of the male sex, I find that sort of address sexist. So, I am seeking a Consensus to out [[User:Semitransgenic|Semitransgenic]] from the music section of wiki as clearly he has no love of music or the artists who make it. I don't see any constructive contributions by [[User:Semitransgenic|Semitransgenic]] other posting ugly flag signs where talk on the discussion page would be better because these signs drive away users of wikipedia by making it look half-ass. I suggest that he be asked to go work on the [[Nazism]] page and leave the music section to those who love music. [[User:Valueyou|Valueyou]] ([[User talk:Valueyou|talk]]) 11:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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Rewind: Electronica was once (is) a genre.

Anyone who is old enough to remember knows when electronica emerged and what it was; in terms of it being everything electronic dance music was not, at that time.

This is the earliest supporting doc I can find online but it serves to make the point:

"In 1995, Electronica has become a nanotechnology, refrying the atoms of other musics into strange new hybrids. In the process, a lattice of invisible, interconnected networks has emerged to link disparate but like-minded musicians, labels and festivals. Rob Young maps the co-ordinates of the new urban music" WIRE


Only later (US music industry) did the word electronica start to be used as an umbrella term for all forms of so called "vernacular" electronic music (non-academic) including many styles of electronic dance music. In this sense I agree that it is incorrect to use the word electronica to refer to a collection of musics which can clearly be seen as specific genres in their own right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.117.78.169 (talk) 21:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

history info is waaayy incorrect

This article talks about how electronica started in the 1990s and blah blah blah. That may or may not be when the word electronica may have originally been coined, but it's hardly the beginning of the genre of electronica music. Any discussion of electronica's origins is completely inaccurate without lots of info on the ground breaking and highly influential work of groups like kraftwerk, synergy and others in the 70's and 80's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraftwerk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy_%28music%29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.198.58 (talk) 10:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


Where this term was born and where it's used?

In the mid-1990s, electronica began to be used by MTV and major record labels to describe mainstream electronic dance music made by such artists as..

I take the article refers to MTV USA and record labels in USA. So why this information is missing from the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.121.45 (talk) 20:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts...

Isn't it kind of strange how every artist mentioned in this article is NOT "electronica" according to their own wikipedia pages. This inconsistency will surely confuse a lot of readers. As I see it now, this genre is like an utterly superfluous genre that is like a layer above other styles of electronic music.

So instead of merging this article with electronic music, wouldn't it be better to make it clear that this "genre" is a label used by mainstream media to market some of the more commercial electronic music artists. Because after all electronica is "real" since it's actually used by a lot of people. It's just not a genre used to document music. As it is now, this article makes no sense to anyone unfamiliar with electronic music.

I might be worth mentioning that Discogs categorizes everything as first a "genre", which would be "electronic" for all electronic music, and then a "style", which can be trance, house or drum n bass for example. And electronica has no place there at all. It's basically how allmusic categorize it but they call it electronica instead of electronic music. However, according to this article electronica is a style of electronic music, although all the artists claimed to be electronica in fact produces other styles of electronic music.

The point is that this article is inconsistent with other wikipedia articles and should be changed to say it's basically a "tag" for some artists, but I don't think it should be merged since it's not really used synonymously with electronic music in any way. At the moment this article is kind of a mess I think, isolated from other electronic music articles since people keeps removing electronica as a genre on artist pages anyway. Bootini (talk) 14:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

That's seems to be a personal opinion and remains OR unless it can be sourced. --neon white talk 20:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I fully agree with the above comment. Thank you, Bootini. Doktor Who (talk) 00:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

NOT A REAL GENRE

Electronica is a non-existant genre invented by mainstream US media to describe what the world had already been calling 'dance music'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.224.10 (talk) 22:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Why not redirect this to Electronic_Music?

Why not redirect this to Electronic_Music since this is what most people are thinking of anyway? Move this existing content into a subsection of Electronic_Music dedicated to the debate over the differences between the two. Zerod000 02:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I second that. Electronica is just a media buzzword for electronic music, and is not a unique style of music. Perhaps there could be a subsection in the electronic music article about the use of the term 'electronica'. Anybody object? Benjaminlobato 02:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I triple that. The term Electronic Music already is and has always been what Electronica is trying to be. --Thykka 00:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Number 4!! I agree.
Number five here. If you absolutely want to keep the Electronica-term, at least keep bands like Chemical Brothers, Underworld and Daft Punk out of it. --Turbotape (talk) 15:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't disagree with the idea of merging the articles - however - the main article at Electronic music is already quite long. How would this article be mergbed into it without either causing confusion or excessive length? it seems to me that merging them would need to be done along with an overall reorganization of the article, dividing it into sections that could be forked off into separate articles - for example, electronic music in academia and electronic music in popular culture (that's just one suggestion).
Does anyone have ideas about how this could be done? --Parzival418 Hello 02:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
IMHO everything concerning Electronic Music in Electronica should be moved to Electronic Music and Electronica should be re-written/modified to emphasize the term's commercial-buzzword'ish nature, and that it (contrary to popular belief) isn't really a genre in the same way as House, Tecnho or Trance at all. --Thykka 04:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
KEEP SEPARATE. google 20 million results. whatever, ELECTRONICA is used in this country of my habitation by the industry as a specific genre and I run a music web site where i will use the concept. I will deliver suitable images here to illustrate the point but I beg you guys to leave the two articles existing, they are quite different facets of a similiar thing, but why be so surgically minded? why not spend the time and energy fixing them up and adding to them, like I intend to? there surely must be plenty of material out there. I attended many music shows, festivals, raves, international peace festivals, dance parties, block parties etc and there is more than enough real material out there to overflow these two and a lot more pages besides. We have a band called Pitch Black, Pitch_Black_(band) that is recognised as our #1 'electronica' group. Wiki's opening statement says 'Pitch Black is a New Zealand electronica band that was formed in 1997.' so yeah, get real, there are 4 million people in this country, and thats good enough. see Rakiura Music for the most awesome pictures. Look me up on myspace if you really want to support the cause, we can do this together. Myspace Mozaherd. chur.. moza 05:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC) moza//
MySpace popularity and media ignorance are not indications of factuality.Alexnye 07:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if you and your band don't benefit from the elimination of the Electronica-term. --Turbotape (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The articles should not be merged!Electronic music is, by its purest definition, music which relies solely upon electronic sound sources to produce music - this is why it should not be merged with electronica, as a large proportion of music which is classified as "electronica" does not comply with this definition. By all means have a link that says "see also: electronica" but it should not be included in the same article. A.F. London.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendant72 (talk • contribs) 03:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

That's an interesting way to differentiate the two, but I wonder if that might be original research or synthesis (WP:OR). Also, there is some question that Electronic Music must be made by only electronic instruments. What about music made be recording acoustic sounds and then applying extreme forms of electronic processing to the sound so that the original acoustic sound is not recognizable any more. Would that quliafy as Electronic music? To support your suggested view, we would need some pulished references (WP:RS). There might be some, but unless those sources are found, I don't see how we can make the jump to define Electronica in that way. --Parzival418 Hello 20:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I always thought the term for what you're describing is electroacoustic music. Having said that though, that article's in a bit of a state, so it's not clear whether Wikipedia agrees with me. Also, I disagree with "music which relies solely upon electronic sound sources", I think it's more music which is focused around them. By that first definition, any track with a vocal in it can't be electronic music, which is a ludicrous claim.
Regarding this merge discussion, I've found several websites of interest which aren't Ishkur's guide. have a read through this and this, which use electronica and electronic music as synonyms, this which still uses electronica as an general term, but with a slightly different definition. On the other hand, beatport uses it as the name of a genre, and soundclick uses it as both a genre and an group of genres (?) so I really don't know. I think the conclusion here is that this issue needs hard sources, i.e. not on the internet, as there's too much contradiction out there.
On a side note, the comment below was removed as it was borderline copyvio, and we already have it quoted up there a bit. Also there's no such organisation as "the Official Electronic Music Genre Standards and Classifications Consortium" in case anyone reading this talk page actually needs telling... Ishkur's guide is not a reliable source here due to its inherent bias. - Zeibura S. Kathau (Info | Talk) 19:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
You've added some more interesting content to the discussion here, including the links you mentioned. It's a difficult choice because there are so many semantic dimensions to consider. Regarding other sources - Billboard & iTunes both refer to the genre as "Electronic" not "Electronica". --Parzival418 Hello 22:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Re: eletro-acoustic music: Interesting -- I'd tend to describe stuff that makes use of sampling as electronic, and stuff that's going through effects pedals as "electric" (by which I mean eletro-acoustic). As someone who thinks of himself as liking eg. some music with electric guitars, etc, but not liking electronic music (although there is one Utah Saints album I had... :) ), I tend to lean towards the philosophy that it's electro-acoustic if the effect can be achieved in an analogue fashion (even if it's done digitally, it can be done in an analogue fashion), and it's electronic if it's notdoable in an analogue fashion (although with scissors and a variable-speed tape recorder, it'd be possible to do sampling in an analogue fashion :) ). Hmm. I think I'll have to think some more -- I'm certainly no expert in electronic*. -- TimNelson 11:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
What U.S. Americans describe as Electronica is common electronic music here in Europe. If you have a look at the French or German article, you will see that for us Europeans, Electronica describes a special style of music, it is mostly a definition for all experimental electronic music similar to IDM. Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, Moby, Royksopp are not Electronica. All the rock bands (might as well mention industrial bands like NIN or Manson here) are definitely not Electronica. This English article is actually completely wrong from a European point of view by describing electronic music in general or the use of synthesizers/computers and should be merged into "electronic music". 213.189.139.251 07:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I would vote Electronic Music merge with Electronica. I have always thought of Electronica as the overarching genre the holds all Electronic Music and sub-genres (Ambient, House, IDM...) as Rock might be the "over genre" thats hold everthing from Elvis Presley (Rock and roll) to Through the Eyes of the Dead (Deathcore). SelfStudyBuddy 05:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the last poster in that Electronica is the modern umbrella term for all forms of Electronic music, in the same way as Rock. I would prefer the two articles be changed, but remain separate...
  • The Electronic music page should be changed to History of electronic music. This is because it focuses on the history of such music, long before the term Electronica was in use. It could not accurately be called History of electronica, because that is only a recent term.
  • History of electronic music would concern the history and progression of this kind of music, while Electronica would be the genre page.
  • Both pages should discuss the two terms.
--Superfopp 14:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


NO CHANCE, ELETRONICA IS AN INDEPENDENT GENRE. YOU DONT GET ROCK, PUNK, EMO, HEAVY METAL ETC ETC ALL MERGED SO NO! THEY ARE ALL INDEPENDENT GENRE'S, ASWELL AS ELECTRONICA!!!

| TK | 88.109.117.135 20:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Please learn to post less garrishly and more contributively. Alexnye 07:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I vote strongly for a merge. Alexnye 07:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Electronica is not a genre; it is a misnomer. The term appears to have arisen in the nineties as a means of calling something techno without using the word techno, likely in an attempt to distance the newer electronic music from the geekier and more obscure techno scene. I believe that Ishkur put it best when he described the "genre":

Electronica does not exist. Not as a genre or a description. It was coined by the North American music press to refer to the second wave of electronic music's explosion in the late 90s, and exists purely as a marketing buzzword, not any actual quantifiable branch of music (the first wave of electronic music, incidentally, they called 'techno', and, having driven the word into the ground beyond all sense of meaning, they couldn't keep using it if they wished to re-market the music). Daft Punk, Fatboy Slim, Prodigy's 'Fat of the Land', Chemical Brothers and other big-time stars of that period were all called "electronica" at one point or another, but the person who really popularized it in the public consciousness was Madonna and her shallow, William Orbit-produced piss-poor attempt at appropriating trance music as something she invented (Ray of Light). She used that word all the damn time in interviews. God I hate her. So yeah: There is no such thing as electronica. I want each and every one of you to stop calling it that, because it makes you sound like a god damn retard. If you want to talk about the music as a whole, simply call it what it is: "electronic music" (or EDM--Electronic Dance Music--for the club/rave stuff). This is a PSA from the Official Electronic Music Genre Standards and Classifications Consortium. [1]

In summation, electronica is not a genre and wikipedia shouldn't be helping to perpetuate the misconception that it is. --gwax UN (say hi) 17:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I vote for a merge. Please merge, really. "Electronica" has become the rock-press' default label for anything even remotely electronic sounding, so far, I have heard everything from Autechre to the Prodigy refered to as "electronica", basically, if it's visible on the rock radar, it's called electronica and it's absolutely ridiculous. It's electronic music and it has its subgenres, but "electronica" is not one of them.Seeofseaof (talk) 14:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I vote for merge. Electronica should be redirected to Electronic Music. There are sources out there that say Electronica is a seperate genre but they fail because they were badly written and have been wiped out over history. Whacky morons trying to change history use a few bad sources to wrongly negate the truth in this article. Electronicer (talk) 15:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Definitely merge. There is no such genre as electronica. The only places I recall that label is from mainstream media anyway. It's total nonsense and wikipedia should not help encourage it. In a way, it's kind of like of euphemism for people who realize it's ignorant too call it 'Techno' like the mainstream usually calls all electronic music.
Bootini (talk) 10:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Merge. I agree with Ishkur in that there is no such thing as electronica. In my own experience, the term is used so erratically its impossible to determine the meaning (it's either used synonymously with electronic music, or to mean some elusive genre of electrorock, chiptune, house, trip hop, vibe, or trance that I've never actually pinned down). michaelb Talk to this user 18:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Electronica is a seperate defined genre, it is well cited in the article, it is a type of electronic music but it is not synonymous. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources not based on individuals personal opinions, prejudices and misconceptions. --neon white talk 20:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
All the sources prove is the fact that people use the term Electronica. Look carefully and you`ll notice how it is used synonymously with Electronic Dance Music. I suggest a merge with Electronic dance music. The "personal opinions, prejudices and misconceptions" that you mentioned would be better described as a consensus that differs to your opinion... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.215.53.124 (talk) 04:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge Electronica into EDM ???

To be frank Electronica and Electronic dance music are pretty much teh exact same thing. The confusion is because different journalists and groups have taken different meanings for them both. Pretty much EDM article and electronica need a lot of work, they should be merged to one article. The main point is Electronica and EDM refer to the same artists and if people actually bothered to work on these articles then they would look pretty much like competing versions of the same thing. That's why they should definitely be one article together.

Electronic: Reference electrones energy and it use mod. Music and more... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.227.28.47 (talk) 16:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Spiteful Semitransgenic

Please see current spiteful dispute I am having with Semitransgenic at Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine and at the Noise music page. The issue is this: after a month of work I greatly improved the noise music page - providing wiki with an outstanding noise music page with extensive footnotes, some lacking only page # which I can provide in the near future (as previously explained a # of times), free of WP:OR & WP:SYN that stood for weeks. Semitransgenic then imposed a WP:OR deadline on my providing those page #s and when I challenged that arbitrary deadline Semitransgenic falsely accused me of sock-puppetry with the creator of the Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine - an outstanding wiki page started by Tellus archivist who has entered his resistance to Semitransgenic's dictates. (See talk page at Noise music) I strongly condemn Semitransgenic's tactics as he is doing it again at Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine in spite.

More evidence of Semitransgenic abuse: he has seen the results of the investigation into his charges of sock/meat puppetry against me here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Tellus_archivist) and knows (see his contrib page) me to be innocent of them -- yet he repeats them and has not apologized to me as he promised he would. As you can see, the result of his harassment was: "Clerk note: I've indefblocked Taxisfolder as an abandoned account but there is no overlap in activity or block evasion, so Valueyou is left alone. —Wknight94 (talk) 15:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I ask here for a Consensus that disciplinary measures be taken against Semitransgenic as he is a bully and self-declared nazi (see the top of my talk page – that is how he introduced himself to me). I may or may not be of the Jewish faith, but either way I find this kind of macho posturing repugnant. He also addressed me as “dude” later on in my talk page and as I am not of the male sex, I find that sort of address sexist. So, I am seeking a Consensus to out Semitransgenic from the music section of wiki as clearly he has no love of music or the artists who make it. I don't see any constructive contributions by Semitransgenic other posting ugly flag signs where talk on the discussion page would be better because these signs drive away users of wikipedia by making it look half-ass. I suggest that he be asked to go work on the Nazism page and leave the music section to those who love music. Valueyou (talk) 11:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

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