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== The first artists to have three singles that were released in three different decades to reach over a billion views each on the same YouTube channel? ==
== Comments and questions ==


Not counting views on other uploads of the songs: It's My Life (2000), Livin' on a Prayer (1986), Always (1994). The 3rd is about to hit that mark. We just need to fact check other artists' views and it could be added to this article. [[User:ShiranuiAensland|ShiranuiAensland]] ([[User talk:ShiranuiAensland|talk]]) 05:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
1. "Following a second hiatus, their 2000 album Crush, particularly the lead single, "It's My Life", successfully introduced the band to a younger audience."


:Apparently, Shakira has three singles that almost did the same except "TQG" is uploaded on Karol G's channel since it was first included in the latter's album. [[User:ShiranuiAensland|ShiranuiAensland]] ([[User talk:ShiranuiAensland|talk]]) 09:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
The first hiatus was never mentioned.
:It should also be noted that all three of those Jovi singles were released before YouTube's existence. [[Special:Contributions/143.44.196.48|143.44.196.48]] ([[User talk:143.44.196.48|talk]]) 17:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


== Why is the glam metal label used as early when they were a big part and a iconic band of that genre? ==
2. " In March 1983, Bon Jovi called David Bryan, who in turn called bassist Alec John Such and an experienced drummer named Tico Torres, both formerly of the band Phantom's Opera."


First of all, I don't agree that the glam metal label should be first in the Bon Jovi article genres box but it definitely shouldn't be early. The reason why I say that is because the glam metal label for Bon Jovi wasn't some early useless genre on them like Pantera who also has the glam metal label but it says early. The big difference between the glam metal label on Bon Jovi compared to a band like Pantera is that the glam metal label was a big part on Bon Jovi. They are seen as a hair metal band, Slippery When Wet and New Jersey are their best selling albums and both were glam-metal. Their biggest hits were glam metal hits. I understand that Bon Jovi were able to move pass the genre once the demise for it happened but the influences were still there even in the 2000s with It's My Life and Have a Nice Day which was compared to their 80s stuff. Bon Jovi was a big part of the genre that it feels like having the label as early for them doesn't massively work when their best selling albums are glam-metal albums and their biggest hits are glam-metal songs as well. Bon Jovi's first 5 albums were all glam metal and the influences were there on Crush, Bounce, and even on Have a Nice Day. Therefore, I think it's appropriate for the glam metal label to either be second after hard rock or even third after arena rock. [[User:Bryan1518|Bryan1518]] ([[User talk:Bryan1518|talk]]) 20:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Who is "both"? Alec and John, John and Tico, Alec and Tico?
:There's not much to say: They stopped doing hair metal after the 1980s, so adding "early" is appropriate. This also aligns with the musical style section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Jovi#Musical_style --[[User:FMSky|FMSky]] ([[User talk:FMSky|talk]]) 03:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


They did not stop doing hair metal after the 80s, Keep The Faith was still part of that. It wasn't until These Days came out when their sound definitely changed but even Crush (2000) had some hair metal influences such as the song One Wild Night. Some of the influences were still being around in the 2000s. The glam metal label should be second or third, it definitely shouldn't be early because early make it seem as if the genre wasn't that hugely relevant to them when it actually was. Their best selling albums are glam metal albums and their biggest singles are glam metal singles. Their music is definitely different now but even back in the early 90s, they were still doing glam metal. ( [[User:Bryan1518|Bryan1518]] ([[User talk:Bryan1518|talk]]) 01:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC) )
3. "They visited 37 countries, performed 177 shows and seen them play to 2.5 million fans on the Keep the Faith Tour/I'll Sleep When I'm Dead Tour."
:Early 1990s would still qualify for the "early" tag for a band formed in 1983 --[[User:FMSky|FMSky]] ([[User talk:FMSky|talk]]) 13:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


== Official members ==
I don't understand the usage of "seen them play" and the sentence sounds weird.


based on recent music videos and promo photos, I think it’s time to add John Shanks and Everett Bradley to the list of official members. [[Special:Contributions/174.94.116.6|174.94.116.6]] ([[User talk:174.94.116.6|talk]]) 23:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
4. My recollection of the exit of Alec John Such from a video I have seen years ago was that John and Richie hinted about a dismissal of Alec due to the fact he said something they did like. I clearly remember a comment they made that included the expression "public laundry". My recollection is that Alec said something that John and Richie did not like so Alec ultimately got fired. This article tells a different story. It sounds like Alec left but I think he was fired.


:: This is not a reason to add them. However, both on the ''Thank You, Goodnight: The Bon Jovi Story'' docuseries and the ''Michael Strahan x Jon Bon Jovi: Halfway There'' special, Shanks and Bradley were both called members of the band, and listed as such in their interviews. Further more in the docuseries, Jon Bon Jovi talks about "when they joined the band". Finding a additional source links, other than ones directly to the videos will be difficult, until the new album comes out.--[[User:DisneyMetalhead|DisneyMetalhead]] ([[User talk:DisneyMetalhead|talk]]) 04:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
5. "So far the tour has played to 1,909,234 fans and has grossed $201.1 million from more than 80 venues reported to Pollstar."
:::Yes these are all good additional sources. When I added this topic, the docuseries hadn’t come out yet so I was just basing it on how they seemed to be permanent fixtures of the band since the This House is Note for Sale tour.
:::But you’re right that music videos aren’t enough since Hugh McDonald was in the video for “Something for the Pain” way before he was considered an official member. [[User:SigmaPenguin|SigmaPenguin]] ([[User talk:SigmaPenguin|talk]]) 20:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2024 ==
"So far" is no longer actual. It must be updated.


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6. "£790 million dollars"?
Add John Shanks and Everett Bradley to the list of official members.


Recent music videos and promo photos clearly show that they are official members even if not directly confirmed by the band. After all, even Hugh McDonald wasn’t formally confirmed as an official member besides his inclusion in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. [[User:SigmaPenguin|SigmaPenguin]] ([[User talk:SigmaPenguin|talk]]) 16:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Is it pounds or dollars? Correct as necessary.


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7. "On April 29, 2018, the band performed at the BMO Harris Bradley Center, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, as the last ticketed event at the venue before the start of demolition in the summer of 2018."


:https://www.instagram.com/p/C4vwNI9Jbj9/?igsh=dnoyNjdtNDZ3dDZ6 [[User:SigmaPenguin|SigmaPenguin]] ([[User talk:SigmaPenguin|talk]]) 21:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Demolition of what? Clearly, it's the venue. Rewrite as necessary.

8. The "Solo projects" section does not only talk about solo projects. There is more than that. The section should be relabeled to "Solo projects and more" or something similar.

9. The "Musical style" section mentions glam metal, hard rock and pop-metal. As somebody who knows Bon Jovi well, particularly for the period 1984-1995, I must say that the style is certainly hard rock, maybe a little glam metal but mostly for the looks rather than for the music (Ratt and Poison are by all means more glam metal bands). Bon Jovi, except for a few songs, is definitely not primarily a metal band and "pop-metal" is just another label for glam metal.

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 06:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
::Number 9 is pure opinion, we stick to what the majority of sources say, not what we personally think. I agree with most of the other stuff, but my question is why did you even post this on the talk page, when you could simply fix the mistakes yourself? [[User:Category adder|Category adder :D]] ([[User talk:Category adder|talk]]) 06:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

9. I would like to see what the majority of professional and unbiased sources uses as classification. Mine is not an opinion but a classification based on years and years of playing/listening hard rock, glam metal and other types of metal.

I often make modifications to Wikipedia articles that needs to be obviously made while I leave comments for things that require feedback. I could make a change to the classification but some things need a common consensus based on facts and documentation. I am not saying pop-metal is incorrect. I am just saying that it's equivalent to glam metal.

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 18:26, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

== Edit request: First paragraph ==

First paragraph says ''The band have been credited with "[bridging] the gap between heavy metal and pop with style and ease."''

Assuming the text bridging is supposed to be a wikilink to an article, it needs some work. [[Special:Contributions/2601:CF:300:4B70:3C63:3B97:9421:7DB2|2601:CF:300:4B70:3C63:3B97:9421:7DB2]] ([[User talk:2601:CF:300:4B70:3C63:3B97:9421:7DB2|talk]]) 20:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

== Two minor mistakes/corrections ==

- In the last paragraph of the introduction it says "Bon Jovi has released 16 studio albums, five compilations and three live albums." 16 is wrong, it should be 15.

- In the sections "Burning Bridges and This House Is Not for Sale (2015–2018)" (third paragraph) it says "In November 4, 2016, the band officially released their 13th studio album, This House Is Not for Sale …" "This House Is Not for Sale" is the 14th studio album, not the 13th one (that is "Burning Bridges") – according to the discography below as well.

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== Proposed merge of [[Alec John Such]] into [[Bon Jovi]] ==
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Alec John Such's page was a redirect to Bon Jovi, until his unfortunate death. While a few obituary pieces came out, this does not make AJS notable enough for his own page. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 22:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' He was a founding member and is inducted as such into the Rock Hall. I consider Such notable on his own. [[User:Rusted AutoParts|<span style="font-family:Rockwell; color:red"><i>Rusted AutoParts</i></span>]] 00:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' The article features enough sources to establish independent notability in addition to Such's Rock Hall induction. In addition, the page being initially redirected into Bon Jovi was not as a result of lack of notability, but the fact the original incarnation of the article from 2015 or so lacked any sources at all. This issue is now fixed with the new version. [[User:Sparkysilverfish|Sparkysilverfish]] ([[User talk:Sparkysilverfish|talk]]) 01:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' While the article is short, there's no doubt that he's notable in his own right, with nothing that can't be addressed through normal editing. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 07:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' Subject is clearly notable to have their own article, although heavy expansion is needed. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 09:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' He was notable in his own right. Was a fixture of the New Jersey music scene and helped bring drummer Tico Torres and guitarist Richie Sambora into the band. Founding member of Bon Jovi and played on six albums, including their three biggest albums, and all coinciding tours. Was with the band for 11-12 years, arguably their most prolific and notable period. Rock Hall inductee, proving his notability. There was pretty substantial coverage of his death, further proving up his impact to American popular music. Agree that the original article was lacking in sources, but that the new article resolves that. Article certainly worthy and in need of expansion. [[User:Abog|Abog]] ([[User talk:Abog|talk]]) 18:39, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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The first artists to have three singles that were released in three different decades to reach over a billion views each on the same YouTube channel?

Not counting views on other uploads of the songs: It's My Life (2000), Livin' on a Prayer (1986), Always (1994). The 3rd is about to hit that mark. We just need to fact check other artists' views and it could be added to this article. ShiranuiAensland (talk) 05:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, Shakira has three singles that almost did the same except "TQG" is uploaded on Karol G's channel since it was first included in the latter's album. ShiranuiAensland (talk) 09:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It should also be noted that all three of those Jovi singles were released before YouTube's existence. 143.44.196.48 (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the glam metal label used as early when they were a big part and a iconic band of that genre?

First of all, I don't agree that the glam metal label should be first in the Bon Jovi article genres box but it definitely shouldn't be early. The reason why I say that is because the glam metal label for Bon Jovi wasn't some early useless genre on them like Pantera who also has the glam metal label but it says early. The big difference between the glam metal label on Bon Jovi compared to a band like Pantera is that the glam metal label was a big part on Bon Jovi. They are seen as a hair metal band, Slippery When Wet and New Jersey are their best selling albums and both were glam-metal. Their biggest hits were glam metal hits. I understand that Bon Jovi were able to move pass the genre once the demise for it happened but the influences were still there even in the 2000s with It's My Life and Have a Nice Day which was compared to their 80s stuff. Bon Jovi was a big part of the genre that it feels like having the label as early for them doesn't massively work when their best selling albums are glam-metal albums and their biggest hits are glam-metal songs as well. Bon Jovi's first 5 albums were all glam metal and the influences were there on Crush, Bounce, and even on Have a Nice Day. Therefore, I think it's appropriate for the glam metal label to either be second after hard rock or even third after arena rock. Bryan1518 (talk) 20:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's not much to say: They stopped doing hair metal after the 1980s, so adding "early" is appropriate. This also aligns with the musical style section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Jovi#Musical_style --FMSky (talk) 03:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They did not stop doing hair metal after the 80s, Keep The Faith was still part of that. It wasn't until These Days came out when their sound definitely changed but even Crush (2000) had some hair metal influences such as the song One Wild Night. Some of the influences were still being around in the 2000s. The glam metal label should be second or third, it definitely shouldn't be early because early make it seem as if the genre wasn't that hugely relevant to them when it actually was. Their best selling albums are glam metal albums and their biggest singles are glam metal singles. Their music is definitely different now but even back in the early 90s, they were still doing glam metal. ( Bryan1518 (talk) 01:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC) )[reply]

Early 1990s would still qualify for the "early" tag for a band formed in 1983 --FMSky (talk) 13:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Official members

based on recent music videos and promo photos, I think it’s time to add John Shanks and Everett Bradley to the list of official members. 174.94.116.6 (talk) 23:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a reason to add them. However, both on the Thank You, Goodnight: The Bon Jovi Story docuseries and the Michael Strahan x Jon Bon Jovi: Halfway There special, Shanks and Bradley were both called members of the band, and listed as such in their interviews. Further more in the docuseries, Jon Bon Jovi talks about "when they joined the band". Finding a additional source links, other than ones directly to the videos will be difficult, until the new album comes out.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 04:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes these are all good additional sources. When I added this topic, the docuseries hadn’t come out yet so I was just basing it on how they seemed to be permanent fixtures of the band since the This House is Note for Sale tour.
But you’re right that music videos aren’t enough since Hugh McDonald was in the video for “Something for the Pain” way before he was considered an official member. SigmaPenguin (talk) 20:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2024

Add John Shanks and Everett Bradley to the list of official members.

Recent music videos and promo photos clearly show that they are official members even if not directly confirmed by the band. After all, even Hugh McDonald wasn’t formally confirmed as an official member besides his inclusion in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. SigmaPenguin (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 21:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C4vwNI9Jbj9/?igsh=dnoyNjdtNDZ3dDZ6 SigmaPenguin (talk) 21:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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