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If you have any problems, concerns, or just want to comment on my actions and behavior in general, [[User:Ottava Rima/Mentorship guidelines|please leave a message here]], or if you would like to discuss things, my talk page and email is available for use. A [[User:Ottava Rima/WATCH|watch page]] has been created that will list areas that I might have problems with and may need help with. By the way, [[User:Ceoil]] and [[User:Karanacs]] decided to tag-team mentor me (yeah, I'm so wild that I need two! :) ). So, they will most likely watch and/or join in any discussion. - Ottava Rima


== Thanks again for all the high quality contributions ==


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'''[[User:Ottava Rima]]''' has been identified as an '''''Awesome Wikipedian''''',<br />
and therefore, I've officially declared today as [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima's day]]!<br />
You have made remarkable contributions to the project,<br />
and the editors and readers of those pages are and always will be grateful to you for them.<br /> We all look forward to seeing you return and continue in such development. <br/>Thank you again for your outstanding efforts at article development.


Peace,<br /> [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 20:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
== Mentorship==
Hi Ottava. I assume you have been communicating with [[User:Ceoil]] offline, but just in case I wanted to post here. I've offered to help him mentor you, if you are agreeable. I think that you have a great deal to offer Wikipedia and I'm hoping that with a bit of guidance you can contribute a bit more effectively. If you'd prefer to keep this discussion offline, let me know and I'll email you. I'd like to become familiar with any discussions you've had with Ceoil or parameters the two of you have agreed on for how this might work. [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 14:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:Karanacs, I could not say no to someone with your experience and reputation, regardless of the offer. I've sent you an email with my contact information, and I can share anything else required. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 14:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
::(Sorry to talk over you Ottava) Karanacs, we have been talking offline, but only as regards ''possibility'' of mentorship and if he'd accept me taking it on, not really about any specifics yet; this probabaly the best venue for that. Very broadly, my idea would for a series of probationary editing restrictions that would immediatly take Ottava out of potential areas of conflict, and allow him to develop away from a wide glare and likely repeats of the past. I'd be in favour of scaling these, so that [for example only, and I havn't decided on any specifics yet) he is restriced from FAC/FAR for three months (nominating at FAC prohibited, although that is likely to be ''tricky in the extreme''!) interacting with editor X, Geogre or Z for 2 months, and topic are A, B, or C for 1. Instead, he is encouraged seek out people to collaborate with, to more closely to listen to others point of view, and to argue more constructively (ie not rehash the same points over and over and over).
::All that said, I have no interest in unilaterally imposing any restrictions; they would need to be fully agreed ''with'' Ottava before-hand. If he were to feel they were too harsh, punitive or if were to resent them, well this just won't work. ( [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 19:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds fine. You are the two who stepped up for this, so you two get to work out the best action plan. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 19:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::Ottava, you are not a third party in this; the meditation is something you are voluntarally undertaking in order to win back community goodwill. And neither is it something you can passively ride out, you have to participate and demonstrate that you take it seriously and are willing to learn from the process. By that token, you have full say in suggesting which areas where there have been problems before, and where its best you avoid for a while; its not just us two lawing down the law and you abiding.


<small>A record of your Day will always be kept [[User:Rlevse/Today/Archive|here]].</small>
::By the way, do me a favour an disengage from George. What do you hope to gain from posting to his talk? I'm not saying who is right or wrong here, and I wont pretend to have the knowledge to pass an informed openion, but its best to keep these things to article talk only. Phff, you where blocked during the earlier stages of the argument...If you were Irish (and I'm beginning to suspect you are) they'd be writing rebel ballads about you! But rebel don't cut it here ;) [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 19:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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:::I thought it would be fine, since it was the section that he was originally looking for. And Geogre actually brought it up 4 days into my block. :) Btw, I think this shows that it is best that I don't have a say in this because my views are radically different than yours, and mine keep getting me blocked. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 19:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks from me to and thanks for trying to save the Han / Roman article as your last action. If you decide to return I look forward to seeing more of your gorgeous content for me to review over at Good Articles. Merry Christmas! [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 13:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::It turned out fine, you were fairly civil, listened, and nobody's dead. But you had to be aware of the fact that is was dangerous ground given all that happened in the last week. You were pushing it considerably; to be fair. But its the "my views are radically different" notion that's at the root of this; wikipedia is a (exceptioanly broad) community with necessarily strict social norms and behavourial expections, and well.... ( [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 20:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::::(ec x2) In theory this sounds fine. However, given that Ottava's area of interest overlaps with that of Geogre, I don't know that they will be able to completely avoid each other for that long! As I understand, some of the nettles at [[The_History_of_Sir_Charles_Grandison]] were because Geogre saw the article at DYK.
:::::What I would suggest as "operating rules" (in addition to the broader rules above) would be the following:
::::::a) if/when Ottava sees a conflict developing, it would be best to let one of us know before engaging (like you did this morning), so that we can help moderate if need be. But, Ottava, if you find that too micromanaging we can try something else.
::::::b) either Ceoil or I may impose a temporary topic ban from any discussion/issue if we feel that Ottava is in danger of becoming tendentious. If Ottava disagrees with that assessment of the situation, he is free to discuss our interpretation of the behavior on one of our or his talk pages or via email. Disregarding the temporary ban could be grounds for a short block.
::::::c) Remain civil and AGF at all times
::::::d) if Ottava feels that we are being overly harsh or are giving restrictions that make no sense, he should say so immediately. The goal is to help you, not drive you off Wikipedia!
[[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 19:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


== Merry Christmas, Ottava Rima! ==
Unindent - based on what Karanacs proposed: limit myself to 0RR, 1 talk page response to editors that I have a "history" with when there is no third party at the page and notifying others immediately, and any disagreements to stop discussion and contact the above. Sounds rather standard. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 19:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::(ec) TO Karanacs: Agree with the principal and susbtance of the above. Ottava and Geogre's interests closely interect alright, and I'm thinking that a topic ban would thus be unfair and unworkable. And FAC / FAR are both short of content focused editors as is. So yeah, this should focus on behaviour only, rather that on area restrictions. ( [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 19:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I think a sub page with restrictions/patterns of behavior should be created and linked at the top of my user page. This will allow others to see the state of things and understand. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 20:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:Sounds good, althogh broad principals along with common sence might be better than minutely detailing "restrictions/patterns of behavior". Ottava, I assume you are older than 12. ( [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 20:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::I think creating a separate page would be a good CYA measure. Due to the recent ANI threads, Ottava may be under increased scrutiny, and a clear explanation of what we are doing might be helpful to either those "watching" or those Ottava is editing with who might wonder why Ceoil or I show up occasionally. [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 20:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::Many people tend to like a "prescriptive" focus, i.e. something they can compare actions to for clarity. Remember, having defined limitations is a benefit for myself when I am to show to others that I am keeping within my boundaries. Its one thing to say something generically, its another to to demonstrate to someone beyond a reasonable doubt. But yeah, you two are in charge here. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 20:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


Peace be with you, brother.
:Excuse me for butting in on this conversation, but I just wanted to give you [[User:Vintagekits/terms|this link]] to another user's editing terms that you might find useful as a template. Obviously, the terms involving this mentorship should be different in their content, but the style may prove useful. Cheers to all, [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 20:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::Haha, fancy. Thanks. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 20:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, thats a good basis. Ottava, sorry but I'm going to have to leave this go for tonight before Marskell becomes, um, displeased[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ceoil&diff=230588274&oldid=230440133]. ( [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 20:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
*If I may, good luck with the mentorship, OR. I hope it goes well. Regards, [[Special:Contributions/S._Dean_Jameson|<small><sup>''S.''</sup></small>]][[User:S. Dean Jameson|<small><sub>''D.''</sub></small>]][[User_talk:S. Dean Jameson|'''Jameson''']] 20:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks! [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 20:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Ottava, maybe this is a little late now your block has expired, but having been block myseld a few times, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Psj3nrusFY here] is a good prison song. ( [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 09:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


Serious. Peace. Let these things go and be filled with joy. Christ was not gifted to humanity for you to be unhappy.
:I find this embarrasing to mention, but we need a device to let other know that myself and Karen are mentoring, and need to be involved in any disputes you might happen to come across. I would think a banner over your talk would be demeaning, so probaly the best option is that you hold you tongue and keep in close email contact. We wont get involved in the substance of the dispute - we will only provide general guidance as to your and others conduct. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 15:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
::Check the top. Expand if necessary. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 15:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


<center><poem>
:::I was asked by Ceoil if I'd take a look at this and consider participating. I am willing, but several things should be clear at the outset.
Someday at Christmas man will not fail
#I do not believe that Ottava was properly blocked. I became involved when I saw an AN/I report re the block, and I originally dropped a consoling note on OR's Talk, without making any conclusion as to block propriety, but saw what appeared to have been a collision of philosophies, where OR was "right" but not "politic." As a result of that note, an editor, intimately involved with the block, showed up on my Talk page to attack OR, even though it was utterly unnecessary, no appeal was being made, simply a consoling note. That led me to realize that something darker had happened. I am ''not'' trying to stir that up, OR knows, I'm sure, what I'm talking about. Others can discover what I mean, easily, by investigating, but I'm not suggesting that. This is merely background.
Take hope because your love will prevail
#Given that OR was improperly blocked, then mentorship ''as a requirement'' would likewise be improper. However, it is possible that we can structure mentorship so that it is a gain for all involved, so a mature view would be that, if it's good, it doesn't matter what crap we had to go through to get here.
Someday a new world that we can start
#So, to me, the issue is how editors can help each other, for mutual benefit and the benefit of the project.
With hope in every heart
#It is very difficult to have a balanced view of one's own position in a dispute.
[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/steviewonder/somedayatchristmas.html]</poem></center> --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 15:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
#There is a saying in the circles where I hang out in real life: we are all crazy, but we are not all crazy at the same time. When we can connect with other people and communicate with them, with some level of mutual trust, we can help each other through our bouts of insanity. So to speak.
:And to you to, Moni. But don't worry, I could never be unhappy in regards to Christ. :) I'm sure most people have read excerpts of my column to know that so far. ;/ Have a good New Year, too. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 15:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
#I cannot spare the time to watch OR's contributions, a close sponsorship or mentorship would involve that. However, I suspect that OR is quite capable of understanding, if he or she (it would be nice to know which it is just so I'm not juggling the dual language all the time) thinks about it, that an edit would have a reasonable possibility of being controversial, and thus it would be prudent to consult, first. Having a number of users to consult would be useful, and there is a simple way to arrange this. OR, you could create a page, call it [[User:Ottava Rima/WATCH]]. It's in all caps to help make it stand out in a watchlist amid the flood. Those who agree to help you watch that for questions from you, or announcements that you are encountering some problem, or that there is something that might otherwise merit our attention, and you can also drop a note on my Talk, and I presume that of others as well, but the WATCH page will centralize discussion and separate Talk notes might not be necessary. Besides, you can edit that page without it being considered canvassing, if the situation you are involved in is some kind of !vote process.
#Ottava, you remain free to make your own decisions, but if you decide against the advice we give you, of course, we aren't responsible. If, on the other hand, one or more of us approves of what you plan to do, r even suggest it to you, we (those who approve) become responsible as "co-conspirators" should it come to that, and we would sink or swim together, generally.
#It is not my goal to keep you out of controversy, though if that is what you want, I'd help with it. Rather, there is controversy that helps the project and controversy that disrupts it, and I'd seek to channel your energy into the former rather than the latter. And it should be understood that I'm still figuring out how to do this, as, I think, we all are. I have ideas, but last time they were proposed here, the community clearly wasn't ready for them, and my opinion is that this condition continues. I will say, though, that the WATCH page I suggested is a piece of one of the ideas.
#Welcome back to Wikipedia. I've said, many times, that if an editor has never been blocked, they haven't been trying hard enough to improve the project, or they have been lucky. Rule Number One: Ignore All Rules, i.e., if a rule prevents you from improving the encyclopedia (or, by extension, the community process that produces and maintains it), ignore it. If users follow Rule Number One, they are sometimes going to violate guidelines and policies, and, sometimes, they will be blocked for it, particularly when the review process is defective. (There are others for whom Rule One means "do whatever you want," but they simply haven't understood it. Rules are important, too, they are merely not the goal. And there are others who are incompetent, i.e., what they think will improve the project won't, and these users should be following rules. Or not editing at all.) --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 23:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:Its "he" and you can think of it as "adoption" if you really want. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 23:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
::Abd, its important to stress that the view taken about Ottava is pragamatic, and all we hope for is that he adopts a workable personality. As regards you 9 pointds; tldr ;)[[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 23:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:I created the watch page and a page for commentary on the set of guidelines so users can comment on my progress or lack thereof. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 00:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


::Just FYI - Real life has been nutty since Friday. I won't be on wikipedia much until tomorrow.... [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 16:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Ottava, it might be an idea to also post the link to your pledge at the top of your talk along with the watch link. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 19:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Its there. Look close. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 19:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
:I'm a little on the slow side tonight it seems. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 20:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
::Don't worry! I hid it there so it wouldn't seem too tacky. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 20:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Grand, fair enough. Me bones are hurting tonight, so I'm not fully sure whats going on. It might be an idea to archive this section, and move on. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 20:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't archive because of the nature of this page. There are comments that are months apart, and there are comments that are left as reminders. The history is the only way to accurately see the progression of the talk page, and it would be too jumbled. Normally I just let things "die". [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 20:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)




== DYK for Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard ==
==Byron et al==
Item 22 on your list, but can you give some help at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicolò Giraud]]? '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 05:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


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==Main page==
I no longer look at the 40K articles - Wiki, or should I say, certain editors, have completely ruined the whole series of articles, so there's no point in bothering to even look at them. So, as for whatever you suggested, go for it, I don't care what happens to them. [[User:Darkson|Darkson]] <small>[[User_talk:Darkson|(BOOM! An ]][[Special:Contributions/Darkson|interception!)]]</small> 22:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations, dude. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 18:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


== Two things ==
== A very serious caution on the Theobalds ==


[http://historiclols.cheezburger.com/2010/05/25/funny-pictures-history-your-coach-is-set-upon/ This],
Remember how I was talking about people picking up the polemics of their favorite authors and unknowingly repeating them? Well, dumb old Theobald is a major case in point. His reputation can be divided into three periods:
1730 - 1780: During this time, Theobald was part of the war of the dunces. Whigs supported the dunces, and tories opposed them. This is a repeated cause. Numerous poets who were not very good got praised to the skies because they had the right politics. Lewis Theobald was so much of a nothing that ''other enemies of Pope'' thought he was an "ideot." However, Alexander Pope was monumental, and anyone who disliked his politics needed to find someone to put up against him.
1780 - 1870: The rise of [[bardolatry]]: Shakespeare's editors had every reason to prefer Theobald. Theobald's edition of Shakespeare was far superior to Pope's. As Shakespeare moves (see [[Shakespeare's reputation]]) from great to "greatest," and as he himself moves from "natural genius" to "greatest genius in the language," the battle of the 18th century editors looks laughable. Pope's edition is wrong and from a bad impulse, and Theobald's is the positivist impulse at work. Indeed, some major editors get ''forgotten'' in his favor. However, this is with no consideration of his writing. ''Double Falsehood'' is an adulteration of Shakespeare every bit ''worse'' than Pope's "corrected" meters, and look to see how rarely the play has been staged.
1870 - 1960: Macaulay history: Thomas Babbington Macaulay's "whig history" of England is an overwhelming work. It sets "common knowledge" for a century. We are ''still'' shaking off the hangover of Macaulay. Macaulay sets down the common knowledge of Robert Walpole the first prime minister, mercantilism being a work of genius, Jonathan Swift being a crooked misanthrope, and Alexander Pope unfairly picking on virtuous authors because he was short and mean. Macaulay history sees Theobald as a hard working, brilliant editor (who, mysteriously, became an editor by accident, late in life, when he kept trying to be a poet before and after) who was smashed by Pope.


Since the 1960's, we've been digging out from under the pile. I think I formulated current understanding appropriately when I said that Theobald was as much a better editor as Pope was a better poet. ''As an editor,'' Theobald is invaluable, but he is also a one shot creature. Most of his life and profession was attempting to be a poet and a playwright, and he failed ''according to all sources'' at these.


and [http://historiclols.cheezburger.com/2010/05/29/funny-pictures-history-waah/ this].
Therefore, it's easy to find people saying things like that which you quoted. During the 18th c. itself, there is an ongoing political battle, with Welsted, Smythe, and Cooke (less so) writing, the extremely wealthy [[Colley Cibber]] (gee, a theatre manager), and the vicious and prolix [[Edmund Curll]] pouring money into attacks on Pope. In Victorian and early 20th c. criticism, it's easy to find "poor Theobald; he was virtuous, and mean Pope mugged him in a dark alley." I think we're getting more balanced now.


Samuel Johnson is a special case. He was his own man throughout. He did not very often pick on an author out of political matters, or at least not those alone. Instead, he had his own principles, as I'm sure you know, that he valued above all else. Notably, though, he doesn't seem to like ''any'' of the Augustans. He has nasty things to say about Swift, many nasty things to say about Pope, many more to say about Gay. He dismisses them all. Now, it's tempting to see Harold Bloom's ''The Anxiety of Influence'' at work, but it's just as easy to see Johnson as having a different notion of what a writer should be than those writers ever had. SJ is the writer as philosopher. This is radically different from his predecessors. They were writers and political actors, and SJ saw that as quite inappropriate.


Commence half-frowny-face reaction. That is all. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 15:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
The po-faced Johnson we get in Boswell is absolutely inappropriate, but it's absolutely true that he held up even his friends to philosophical standards. He ridiculed his good friend Thomas Warton when the latter took up the "churchyard" ballad form. It was too trivial. He ridiculed Percy, his friend, for scrambling for appointment -- too grubby. So, for Pope, whose gifts Johnson admits, to duke it out with bad poets is quite ill, from Johnson's point of view. He constantly criticizes Pope's political work. (Johnson was quite political, of course, and Donald Greene will haunt me if I don't say so, but he tended to be overt. He didn't use his poetry or his Ramblers to do it. He would come straight out with a ''Letter'' or a complete essay. I think he didn't like the mixing of "high" art and "low" politics.)


== DYK for Kubla Khan ==
Anyway, I just wanted to say that one needs to be careful in critical assessments of Theobald and read each of them with an eye on the speaker's motivation. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] ([[User talk:Geogre|talk]]) 02:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


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Actually...
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==Banglapedia copyright problems==
Hi, Ottava. I just wanted to thank you for having this brought to my attention. You might be interested in what we're doing with your tip; we've launched a [[Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Banglapedia (source)|special "CCI"]] (special, since this isn't a contributor) and are planning to appeal to the relevant WikiProject for assistance. It's going to be a lot of work cleaning it all up, but certainly it is much needed, and the longer problems like this go unaddressed, the more tangled clean-up becomes. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 17:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

== [[WP:FOUR]] for [[Christopher Smart's asylum confinement]] ==

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|}--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 00:30, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
|On [[20 August]], [[2008]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with facts from the articles '''''[[Life of Samuel Johnson]]''''', '''''[[List of contemporary accounts of Samuel Johnson's life]]''''', '''''[[A Biographical Sketch of Dr Samuel Johnson]]''''', '''''[[Anecdotes of the Late Samuel Johnson]]''''', '''''[[Life of Samuel Johnson (1787)]]''''', '''''[[An Essay on the Life and Genius of Samuel Johnson]]''''', and '''''[[Thraliana]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].
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Congratulations! — <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Dan1980|Dan1980]] ([[User talk:Dan1980|talk]]&nbsp;♦&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Dan1980|stalk]])</span> 19:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:That's got be some kind of record. Good work, Ottava! [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 19:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:Just wow! Outstanding.....[[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 20:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, congratulations. Next time I see a complaint that I don't edit enough articles, I'll say, "That's right, but I know some who do." --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 21:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually [[User:Bencherlite]] had seven DYKs at once back in June. I know this because I sent him a Surreal Barnstar on this. Congratualtions nevertheless. [[User:Miller17CU94|Chris]] ([[User talk:Miller17CU94|talk]]) 22:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
::::Thanks! I should have gone for eight. :D [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 22:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


== Cookie ==


Aparrantly no one comments on your talk page, so I thought I'd give you a cookie ... except I cba to find the cookie template, so I'll give you an IOU for a cookie :) --<span class="sigInvitatious"><span id="Imagine Wizard" class="plainlinks" >[[User:Imagine Wizard|Imagine Wizard]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Imagine Wizard|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Imagine Wizard|contribs]] <small>•</small> [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/{{urlencode:Imagine Wizard}} <span style="color:#002bb8">count</span>]</span>) <small>[[Pig Latin|Iway amway Imagineway Izardway.]]</small></span> 01:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
== Ottava II ==
Of course I would be honoured to work with you if the Wordsworth offer is still open. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 22:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
:I'm told its not likely I'll live past 2052, so tone town your expectations to avoid dissapointment. But between now and then; fine, sure. I work best in collaboration; partly from the benifit of a second openion, partly competitive reasons, and also its far more interesting than working in a vacuum. First question before you enter this though; should the focus be on "She Dwelt" or the Lucy series overall - only two of the poems have articles to date. Also Jones is the bible here. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 23:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
:Agree. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 14:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


== Drapier's Letters ==
== [[WP:FOUR]] for [[The Author's Farce]] ==


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I think that I might be able to contribute to [[Drapier's Letters]] on the level of style, although I am not the first person to notice that the second sentence of letter '''1''' contains a classic [[Irish bull]]: "Therefore I do most earnestly exhort you as ''men'', as ''Christians'', as ''parents'', and as ''lovers of your country'', to read this paper with the utmost attention, or get it read to you by others [...]" - how they are supposed to get it read to them if they can't read it in the first place, Swift does not explain. [[User:Lexo|Lexo]] ([[User talk:Lexo|talk]]) 01:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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:I certainly will. Of course, the point of the remark in my above post is that they can't know that they need to have it read to them if they can't read it. In the meantime, I have noticed that the [[A Modest Proposal|Modest Proposal]] article isn't very good. I will try to hunt down a complete edition of ''Drapier'' (there used to be one in Dublin bookshops) just so I can refer to it. Cheers - [[User:Lexo|Lexo]] ([[User talk:Lexo|talk]]) 01:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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== Wikisource ==
== Barnstar ==


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I have imported your page as "[[s:Thoughts on Falkland's Islands]]" and gnomed it a little. There will be no problem with you dumping text directly into Wikisource; provided it is old and was published, we are very forgiving and will happily accept text at any level of completeness so that you can get on with ''using it''. If it is unpublished, copyright becomes a bit more of an issue, and our inclusion criteria start to kick in, but from what I have seen of your topical area's, I doubt you will have much problem in this regard, as you are mostly working on topics where even unpublished works would be acceptable on Wikisource if they are not protected by copyright.
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|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" |<font style="font-family:AR Blanca;font-size:20px">I just wanted to let you know that your monumental literary contributions are still very much appreciated. [[User talk:INeverCry|<font face="AR Cena" color="black"><b>INeverCry</b></font>]] 19:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
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== Whoa... ==
We do prefer to have pagescans for all works, so if you can scan in a text, we will help you set up a transcription project and help you transcribe it and verify it. For examples that are close to your topical area, see [[s:Index:John Masefield.djvu]], [[s:Index:Edgar Allan Poe - a centenary tribute.djvu]] and [[s:Index:Pierre and Jean - Clara Bell - 1902.djvu]] and [[s:Index:Wind in the Willows (1913).djvu]]. For examples of other types of documents, see [[s:Index:GeorgeTCoker.djvu]] and [[s:Index:A Welsh Grammar, Historical and Comparative]], [[s:Index:German Instrument of Surrender (May 7, 1945)]] and [[s:Category:Index|more..]] <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''</sup></span> 12:18, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


I just stumbled across your story while looking up other things.
For most works by major authors, there are many sets of pagescans online already; e.g. [http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=Samuel%20Johnson%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts archive.org]. Usually one only needs to look for them, or work on the ones that are available and pray for the others to arrive in good time. A good digital camera's will be fine to use for verification, however the OCR result will probably not be very usable. (Wikisource has bots that do OCR on images) This is something to play by ear. Let me know if there is any work that you would like to see on Wikisource accompanied with pagescans, and we'll do our best to set it up and get it started. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''</sup></span> 12:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Suffice to say, it's a whale of a tale. Being rather brutally honest, you were kind of like me back in 2007;


Good intentions, but poor execution.
(sorry about the delay; [[s:Index:The Marriage of Heaven and Hell - copy D.djvu|this]] is one work I did last night) I have imported [[s:Index:The works of Horace - Christopher Smart.djvu]], and uploaded the OCR for pagescans 1-13,344-348. page [[Page:The works of Horace - Christopher Smart.djvu/13|13]] will give you an idea of the level of quality you can expect from the OCR. Now the question is do we copy the text from [[User:Ottava Rima/Wikisource]] over to Wikisource, or I can upload the raw OCR into each page to be cleaned up. We have yet to determine which of those two methods is easiest. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''</sup></span> 09:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult you or be mean or cowardly. Seriously, you made some INCREDIBLE edits (a quick once-over of your edit history will back me up here), but looking over your block log tells me that you were always rather confromational (a Wikiversity fracas with the equally-legendary Abd springs to mind), and as such, you were always "riding the ragged edge of disaster", to quote Jim Davis. And you got tangled up with the ArbCom...there's a pit that's hard to get out of. Banned, even stripped of the ability to edit your own talkpage and reply to me. That's a rather stiff punishment, no? You must have really screwed up somewhere (I'm not going to dwell on that). Still, in my eyes, you deserve a...what is it now, twentieth chance? (just kidding). But there are a bunch of people who are behind you all the way. I'm not one of them....I know bog all about you, really. Have a listen to Queen's ''Hang On In There'' and mull it over; try to see how it relates to your experiences.
== Re:Boswell and Scotland ==
[[User:Xterra1|<font color="blue">Xt</font>]][[User talk:Xterra1|<font color="red">e</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xterra1|<font color="gold">r</font>]][[Special:Random|<font color="green">r</font>]][[User:Xterra1/GB|<font color="orange">a1</font>]] 20:02, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


== Main page appearance: The Covent-Garden Journal ==
Your assessment in your response that his anti-Scottishness was trivial is not accurate, but his reputation in Scotland as the anti-Scot par excellance is probably unfair too. I looked on google books to see if I could find anything for your interest. [http://books.google.com/books?id=mD_LH9ILWl0C&pg=PA192&dq=Johnson+anti-scottish&sig=ACfU3U1keR8AYhkizMpnF4dAS2gY9pTygg#PPA192,M1 This] might be of use to you. It is common to read in Scottish historians go on tirades against him, but William Ferguson's discussion of him and MacPherson in ''The Identity of the Scottish Nation: An Historic Quest'', pp. 227-49, is perhaps "fairer". EDIT: Here is also [http://www.samueljohnson.com/scotland.html a bunch of quotes]. I presume you have access to a large proportion of the works from which they are drawn. Regards, [[User:Deacon of Pndapetzim|Deacon of Pndapetzim]] (<small>[[User talk:Deacon of Pndapetzim|Talk]]</small>) 13:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:: My own favourites, none of them on the site quoted, are in the exchange in his dialog with Wilkes, ''Life,'' May 8 1781. Considering that SJ was notably devoted to maintain his public image, and had a tendency to word without qualifiers, and was fully aware of both, I've never taken any of it ''au pied de la lettre.'' The things he truly believed about what he considered serious matters he made very plain, & this is not among them.'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 21:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Okay, well, we need to boil this down to three or four lines, so can we start picking favourites? :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 02:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


This is a note to let the main editors of [[The Covent-Garden Journal]] know that the article will be appearing as [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article|today's featured article]] on January 6, 2013. You can view the TFA blurb at [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 6, 2013]]. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director {{user|Raul654}} or his delegates {{user|Dabomb87}}, {{user|Gimmetoo}}, and {{user|Bencherlite}}, or start a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests]]. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you can change it—following the instructions at [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions]]. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. The blurb as it stands now is below:
I have responded on the FAC thread. The anti-Scottishness needs to be no more than mentioned, my main problem is its eulogistic tone and the coverage concerns. Regards, [[User:Deacon of Pndapetzim|Deacon of Pndapetzim]] (<small>[[User talk:Deacon of Pndapetzim|Talk]]</small>) 10:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:The anti-Scottishness I was most concerned about because this was part of a Scottish wikiproject that, though somewhat dead, should be respected. Now - could you provide some details on what you consider eulogistic? [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 13:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


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==Synge==
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You have to appreciate that Synge is a mojor figure here, and "The Playboy of the Western World" is known to all and sundry. I'm only just going through it properly now. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 00:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
'''''[[The Covent-Garden Journal]]''''' was an English literary [[periodical]] published twice a week for most of 1752. It was edited and almost entirely financed by novelist, playwright, and essayist [[Henry Fielding]] ''(pictured)'', under a pseudonym. The ''Journal'' incited the [[Paper War of 1752–1753|"Paper War" of 1752–1753]], a conflict between a number of contemporary literary critics and writers, which began after Fielding declared war on the "armies of [[Grub Street]]" in the first issue. His proclamation attracted multiple aggressors and instigated a long-lasting debate argued in the pages of their respective publications. Initially waged for the sake of increasing sales, the Paper War ultimately became much larger than Fielding had expected. Further controversy erupted in June, when Fielding expressed support for a letter decrying the Government's 1752 Disorderly House Act in the ''Journal''. His remarks were viewed by the public as an endorsement of the legality of [[prostitution]]. The final issue of the ''Journal'' was released on 25 November 1752. In its last months, poor sales had resulted in a transition from biweekly to weekly release. Ill-health and a disinclination to continue led Fielding to end its run after the 72nd&nbsp;number. {{TFAFULL|The Covent-Garden Journal}}
:''I'' think that Synge is a major Irish modern playwright. However, it took me quite a few scholars in the Irish studies around here to find some that really knew enough or cared enough about Synge to have information about him. He has been severely neglected, and he had a short life. There wasn't much information to put forward besides the stuff on his personality, which came up a few times. His plays show up quite a lot in the biography, but few children are taught anything about them, let alone college students who don't really seem to care about much of anything. And I can only talk about content. That is my area. Grammar and the rest is up to you guys. :P [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 00:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
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::Dont be so haughty and dismissive about "you guys" there Ottava; a lot has to be proven yet. "And I can only talk about content": Hmm, where do you think I am coming from? Not happy.[[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 00:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
[[User:UcuchaBot|UcuchaBot]] ([[User talk:UcuchaBot|talk]]) 23:01, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
:::I don't know how pointing out you and Sandy as copy editors is haughty or dismissive, especially when I say that I am unable to judge a page except in content areas and not in grammar or MoS areas. I don't understand how saying that I am capable of only doing one out of three review jobs would some how offend you. Unless you don't like others to be honest about their own inabilities to contribute. Then, maybe.... [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 01:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
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:::: Me, copyeditor? I'm hopeless. I can sure fix refs and dashes, though :-) [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 01:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::I think all evident shows that you have a better eye than I do at typos, especially when I don't even look at what I type 90% of the time. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 01:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Oh, typos, sure; but since meeting Tony1, I don't consider fixing typos to be copyediting, LOL ! [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 01:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah Sandy, your not exactly *!* at copyediting, but with me a close second in runner up terms at not *!*, and Ottava exhausted at third place. But bless him he's catching up. Ottava, you have nothing to fear here except that I have diffs to send us all to ANI for crimes against the Queen's Eng... [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 01:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
::Most people in England don't speak the Queen's English, so I hope they start rounding up those folks first. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 02:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I have those folks all rounded up in a valley in Wales. What should I do next, Ottava. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 18:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


==Bugzilla bug report==
== Precious ==
See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15489 [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] ([[User talk:Raul654|talk]]) 18:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:Awesome. I have no other word to describe it. That strange bot vandalism problem has been so frustrating to me, I just cannot wait until its over. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 19:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


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'''story, poem and play'''<br />
Thank you for the broad coverage of English language literature in quality articles, showing in ''[[The Covent-Garden Journal]]'' and ''[[The Awful German Language]]'', and for [[User:Ottava Rima/Philosophy|your philosophy]] on conflict, consensus ... respect ..., - repeating: you are an [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious|awesome Wikipedian]] (20 December 2009)!


--[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
You had a concern about the presence of a "see also" section in my FAC. However, I see nothing wrong with having such a section. ♬♩ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 18:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
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:Why the need for a list when we have categories. Oh and hello, Ottava. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 18:22, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::O hai. I have two more books on Wordsworth's poetry. I'm hunting down some more. Don't let me forget. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 18:26, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
: [[WP:LAYOUT]]. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 18:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


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;Wordsworth tangent
:: Today, I like your TFA, "... a lot of examination and discussion over just about every line over months and months. I will welcome -all- concerns and comments, and I will thoroughly discuss matters with [[User talk:Haiduc|Haiduc]] in order to ensure that changes would not disrupt the balance. I would also prefer to keep the balance over anything else. However, I do feel that the page is extremely thorough and well put together, as it represents just about -everything- on Giraud. So, I now present to you our dear [[Nicolo Giraud]], the boy/young man who almost absolutely nothing is really known, for your consideration." --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
::"let you forget"? No chance. I have a satellite, tweak, look there, left ther of piccadilly circus. Consider yerself tracked, English. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 18:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:::If we build the Lucy poems together as one page, I can put together the critical interp/view from 1920-1980 based on what I have right now. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 18:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious#Ottava Rima|Seven years ago]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:10, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
:I'm still not convinced to be honest. But it two months now since I wrote anything significant, and am really looking for someting to do here. I think each verse is fully worthy of its own article, but a summary overview would probably be more usefull to a the general user. So lets do it. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 18:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::I only mention it because there is so much overlap with the creation, the idea of Lucy, etc. I think a 100K article would be better than 6 20k articles. I have about 8 books and a dozen articles that talk about the individual poems, and I have some books that talk about Wordsworth's poetic diction. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 19:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:I know, I know; christ. Anyway, I just mailed you about something else. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 19:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::Replied. Also, I'm going to start filling out some sub pages. More on Wordsworth. More on Byron. More on Mary Shelley for Awadewit. I'll be working on Keats too. I should have most of this done by the end of the month. Once Johnson is no longer a concern (I have three pages to work on some right now), I can devote my time to that. Then I'll double back to Smart and Swift. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 19:30, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Ottava, if you live up to that, we might consider getting married some day. For now I'm going to focus on Three Witches. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 19:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Wouldn't such a thing violate the whole "mentorship"? :P [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 19:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Depends on the law of the land, I suppose. Anyway, you dont seems to me as vunerable, I see real teeth in you words, so likely marriage is off. Pity; I'm a very good catch. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 19:51, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


== A beer for you! ==
::Are you interested in Three Witches? Here is you chance to work with the best editors the project has. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 19:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I think I prefer it as "editoré" instead of "editors". Also, don't forget about the ''Classics Illustrated'' depictions. They were priceless. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 19:59, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Because I'm a thick Paddy, I have no idea at all what the above means, if it means anything at all. I know you are english so...here is my fav english band; fall...[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLsqmEc8l0I innit]. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 20:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'm not English. My ancestors were British nobility, but also German, so, yeah. Work that one out. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 20:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'd say that Ottava's spelling reveals that he is definitely not English. Perhaps a descendant of [[Edward VIII of England|Edward VIII]] though? :lol: --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 00:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Haha. No. My family were Prussians, military chaps, and some were brought over into Scotland and granted a few titles as long as they would spy about the place. But the rest of the family stayed and were sent over with Hessians and other "allies" of the Georgies to the US, and they said "Hmmm, maybe I'll stay". So, most of my "English" connections were iffy at best. :D [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 00:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


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== Answer (DYK) ==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Cheers. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
|}


* me too. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched|<span style="color:#FFFFFF; background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I happen to agree with them, if you look through the talk page archives the consensus at DYK has been built up over a long period of time, and the talkpages reflect historical discussions of a similar nature with the same conclusion. {{user|JayHenry}} is right that the DYK pages do already have a wide prominence - not that pointing a notice on other pages back there is a bad thing, quite the contrary (though I think ANI wouldn't be the best community watering hole for this sort of a notice, Village Pump is much better and I am glad you posted there). You are making some valid points, but IMO - at this point the dialogue is no longer constructive due to the constant "back and forth" going on. I have suggested at [[WT:DYK]] that people involved in the discussion take a breather and a step back, it might hopefully have a calming influence in the dialogue. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 21:28, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:I am taking my own advice even though I was not ''heavily'' involved in that discussion and taking a step back to see what others in the community think. My opinion remains clear, I pretty much voiced it already on that page that the current consensus works fine with me, but again I am glad that you made that neutrally-worded post to Village Pump and hopefully people will notice it from there, like I said posting a linkback in a community place like that has helped me before to draw others and new individuals to a discussion. Cheers, '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 21:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::If that is how you feel that is quite a shame to be motivated in such a manner regarding creation of good quality content. Just FWIW - whenever I have something on DYK as compared to "Main Page Day" with a [[WP:FA]], the traffic as far as edits from newcomers to the article is significantly less usually, and quite manageable, no matter what the article size. Usually in fact the edits on DYK-day are quite helpful in nature, just from my past experiences. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 21:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


Welcome back, and I look forward to helping you come back into the community. [[User:Ktr101|Kevin Rutherford]] ([[User talk:Ktr101|talk]]) 18:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
== Applause ==
Dropping by to say how good it was to see your words to SlimVirgin. You're not one of the names I expected to see there, and it was thoroughly decent of you.


Welcome back. I'll be really happy to see you contributing as prolifically as you did in the past. If there's anything I can do to make that easier for you, please say so here. I'll keep your talk page on my watchlist. All the best --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 23:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
When I heard that you were working on the Ada Lovelace bio I looked through some online archives for relevant images. The best that's turned up so far is probably too remote to use at that page: a scan of a letter between [[Anne Isabella Byron, Baroness Byron]] and [[Mary Edwards Walker]]. If it's possible to lend assistance in the way I did for [[Learned Hand]], please let me know. Best, <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 23:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
*All the Best Ottava!...[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 23:08, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
:Kim will be thoroughly happy that you found some info on Lovelace/Byron related stuff. I know I am, and I thank you. I also thank you for your kind words. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 00:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
*A belated welcome back Ottava. --[[User:kelapstick|kelapstick]]<sup>([[User talk:Kelapstick#top|bainuu]]) </sup> 21:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:Also, I'll be sure to contact you about that. I have some books on Byron's daughters, and your help would be greatly appreciated. If you want, you can look at [[User:Ottava Rima/Byron]]. I've been reworking the bio to try and reestablish what is known and what is not. The Byron family will be a large project based on all of the complications. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 00:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
::Well I'm not sure how much time I'll have to put into the texts of these articles. Right now I have commitments to getting two newly created wikiprojects off the ground. But image restorations would fall within [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Media Restoration]]. If it's the extended Byron family generally you're working on, then that gives more freedom to work around. The Library of Congress doesn't have much online media, so I'll see what I can find from British archives. Best wishes, <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 03:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:::You don't have to put it as any high priority. The major concern right now is to get enough content, have it cited, and put up enough stuff so that most of the drive by editors don't destroy parts of the page like they have been. Having the name Byron tends to bring out some of the worst in people. :) Thanks for looking and keep up the important image work. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 12:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


== Happy ==
== revisit [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1964 Gabon coup d'état]] ==


{{User QAIbox
Hi, I've left some comments at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1964 Gabon coup d'état]]. If you have time, I wonder if you would revisit it? Thanks, [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] <sup>([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]&mdash;[[User:Ling.Nut/3IAR|WP:3IAR]])</sup> 00:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
| image = Cat dancing in the snow-Tscherno.jpg
:I already struck out my concern so there shouldn't be a problem. Good luck. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 02:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
| image_upright = 0.8
:: I have updated my response to your query there based on new feedback. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 11:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
| bold = Happy cat dance
:::I went for a closer look, decided to translate myself, and found it quite off. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 13:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
}}
(found by [[User talk:Opabinia regalis#A kitten for you!|Opabinia regalis]], where ice-breaking is also mentioned) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)


:Maybe kitty kitty here got into the beer Drmies left above? Good to see you back, OR. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 16:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
==Cabal==
I've heard you're the head of the 18th-century Literature Cabal. Where do I sign up? [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 02:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:LMAO, sweet. I've been trying to build a <s>cabal</s> wikiproject devoted to 18th century lit for ... forever. Welcome aboard. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] 02:34, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::I want in. A cabal sounds great, what do I have to do?? [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 21:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::: *cackle* [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 21:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Understood. I'll cut off both of my cackles. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 22:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
No no, please don't do that! I'm sure you misunderstood. Right, OR? OR...? [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 22:46, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for your help, Ottava, much appreciated. Afraid I'm not very keen on joining wikiprojects, but I may dip a toe into 18th-century Literature some day. Do you include [[Erasmus Darwin|Darwin]]? Apparently his poetry was admired by eminent authors, though to be honest I don't think it's great literature as such. Bit naughty, too. . . [[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 22:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::Its an imaginary wikiproject. :) But yes, I appreciate Erasmus Darwin a lot. I made many references to him throughout, as people seem not to realize that he was the reason that his grandson was so deeply connected to the thousands of year old idea that *gasp* things slowly change over time. :D It was also Erasmus's Temple of Nature (and related stuff) that pointed out to the 19th century the fight that was originally stirred up between the schools of Aristotle and of Lucretius over how "descent" works and what role "randomness" has in the development of Form. I should really make a Wikipedia page on this. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 22:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:::So many connections! You mentioned Adam Smith earlier, did you know that he was a friend of [[James Hutton]], another sage of the Scottish Enlightenment and originator of the ideas of [[uniformitarianism]] over deep time with "no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end" that [[Charles Lyell]] passed on to Darwin as the geological framework for his evolutionary ideas? And speaking of Form, I'm just dimly aware of the ideas about metamorphosis of the well known geologist and inspector of mines, [[Goethe]], who also influenced evolutionary thinking. But must stop now! . . .[[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 23:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, what separates us from those 100 years ago is the fact that all of the important people studied multiple fields and had friends within all of those fields. I can trace the general concept to someone like [[Samuel Johnson]] and his [[The Club]]. We may be "modern" but they were truly Enlightened. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 23:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Really must head for bed now, but one treasure I acquired in my youth is a bound volume of ''[[The Scots Magazine]]'' for 1762, which has a marvellous mixture of information – technology like "Williamfon's machine for the reaping of corns", poetry, essays and dissertations, the autopsy of the deceased king, reports of the war in the West Indies, instructions on horfe riding, and so on. (f used because I don't have a font for the long s) All the best, [[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 23:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


==spam==
For articles like [[Jewish Board of Family and Children’s Services]] what is worth checking is the web link, for if the article is a copy vio of their "about page," as was the case here and is very often the case, it's a cleaner ground for deletion. In contrast, G11 is rather vague, being worded : "Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion" Thus pages which have some encyclopedic information or which can be rewritten by removing the promotional language are not speedy candidates. So for an article like this, generally I stubbify, which deals with both, and leave a note for the editor explaining about [[WP:BFAQ|our Business FAQ]] (which also applies to non-profit organisations).
::BTW, you are required to say explicitly on the edit summary that it's a suggested speedy deletion, and it's considered polite to notify the originating ed. A reputation for politeness is a good one to have around here. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 17:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry DGG, I lost internet for a while so I wasn't able to really complete that. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 17:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#PATROL.21 Here] is Kim's asking for help on the patrols. I opened up 15 randomly, checked them, was in the process of marking them before going back and finishing. Then no internet. In the future, I'll try to be more explicit than "appears to be marketing spam" when using the spam template. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 17:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:::By the way, is there any way to get a "spam" template that isn't a "speedy deletion" template? [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 17:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


== New Article ==


As I finish drafting material related to ''Lamia'', I have some material for an article on an award winning poet for someone else to use to create a page.


==WORDS==
:::The words, they sit
:::on lighted screen.
:::Intention?
:::Somber, hard and mean.


Ryan Wilson (1982-) is an academic, editor, literary critic, and poet from Baltimore, Maryland. He is the office manager of the [[Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writers]], editor of ''Literary Matters'', and an award winning poet and essayist. His first collection of poetry, ''The Stranger World'', will be published in June, 2017.[http://www.literarymatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/3.15-photo-224x300.jpg Photo, released CC-BY-SA 4.0 according to ref 7]
:::They lordly prance
:::with feathers raised.
:::No words of help,
:::no words of praise.


===Personal life===
:::Courtesy is not their
In 1982, Wilson was born in Griffin, Georgia.<ref name="Awards"/> He grew up in Macon, Georgia and graduated from Tattnall Square Academy in 2000.<ref name="Literacy Matters"/>
:::Aim.
:::Civility is not their
:::game.


He has a B.A. (English) from the University of Georgia, an M.F.A. (Poetry) from The Johns Hopkins University, and an M. F. A. (Poetry) <ref name="Catholic"/> from Boston University in 2008.<ref name="Awards"/> Currently he is a doctoral candidate at The Catholic University of America, and he serves as the Office Manager of the [[Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writers]] and editor of ''Literary Matters'', the association's digital literary journal.<ref name="Literacy Matters"/> He lives in Baltimore with his wife.<ref name="Awards"/>


===Publications===
:::They rub us wrong,
His works have been published in ''32 Poems'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''Able Muse'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''The Classical Outlook'',<ref name="Pushcart"/> ''Dappled Things'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''First Things'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''Light'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''The Hopkins Review'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''Iron Horse Literary Review'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''Measure'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''Raintown Review'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''River Styx'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''The Sewanee Review'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''The Sewanee Theological Review'',<ref name="Awards"/> ''Unsplendid'',<ref name="Awards"/> among others.
:::we scrape and pant.
:::We choke back from
:::their moody rant.


His first collection of poetry, ''The Stranger World'' was published by Measure Press in June 2017.<ref name="Awards"/> [[Mark Jarman]] said, "The Stranger World includes heartbreaking lyrics, haunting narratives, inspired translations, and finely honed satires... written with the authority of mastery."<ref name="Literacy Matters"/> [[Robert Pinsky]] wrote, "Ryan Wilson’s mastery of traditional forms serves a fresh, distinctive poetry of candor and meditation: soulful rather than brittle, more observant than performative. The idiomatic, American blank verse of Wilson’s 'Authority' and 'L’Estraneo' is as fluent as that of Robert Frost, but with an oblique tenderness that reminds me of Frost’s friend Edward Thomas."<ref name="Literacy Matters"/>
:::We answer back,
:::with novice voice,
:::"I'm here to edit.
:::I have no choice"


===Awards===
* Sankey Prize for Excellence in Poetry (JHU).<ref name="Catholic"/>
* Schmuel Traum Prize (BU).<ref name="Catholic"/>
* Eleanor Clark Award (Robert Penn Warren Circle), winner.<ref name="Catholic"/>
* Morton Marr Prize (''The Southwest Review''), finalist, 2009.<ref name="Catholic"/>
* International Poetry Contest (''River Styx''), honorable mention, 2012.<ref name="Catholic"/>
* Vassar Miller Book Prize, finalist, 2015.<ref name="Awards"/>
* Frost Farm Poetry Prize, honorable mention, 2015.<ref name="Farm"/>
* Jacques Maritain Prize (Dappled Things), winner, 2015.<ref name="Jacques"/>
* Vassar Miller Book Prize, finalist, 2016.<ref name="Pushcart"/>
* Walter Sullivan Prize for Promise in Criticism (''The Sewanne Review''), winner, 2016.<ref name="Sewanee"/>
* [[Donald Justice Poetry Prize]], winner, 2017.<ref name="Poetry News"/>


===Works cited===
:::Courtesy is how we'll
{{reflist|30em|refs=
:::live.
<ref name="Awards">"Ryan Wilson’s recent publications and awards." Boston University Creative Writing. June 15, 2015 [http://blogs.bu.edu/crwr/2015/06/05/ryan-wilsons-recent-publications-and-awards/comment-page-1/]</ref>
:::Civility is what we'll
<ref name="Pushcart">"Ryan Wilson’s Pushcart nomination and publications." Boston University Creative Writing. July 15, 2016. [http://blogs.bu.edu/crwr/2016/07/15/2223/]</ref>
:::give.
<ref name="Catholic">Catholic University of America [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OSgkSCVU3KcJ:english.cua.edu/graduate/students/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]</ref>
<ref name="Farm">The Robert Frost Farm [http://robertfrostfarm.org/former-winners.html]</ref>
<ref name="Jacques">"Winners of the 2015 Jacques Maritain Prize for Nonfiction." ''Dappled Things'' [http://dappledthings.org/9632/winners-of-the-2015-jacques-maritain-prize-for-nonfiction/]</ref>
<ref name="Sewanee">Johns Hopkins University Press [https://www.press.jhu.edu/journals/sewanee_review/prize.html]</ref>
<ref name="Literacy Matters">"Ryan Wilson, Our Editor" ''Literary Matters'', The Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writers. [http://www.literarymatters.org/ryan-wilson-our-editor/]</ref>
<ref name="Poetry News">"Poetry News." Westchester University Poetry Center [https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Jo08KlTiBNsJ:https://www.wcupa.edu/arts-humanities/poetry/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]</ref>
}}


===External links===
* Beltway Poetry ''Quarterly''. http://www.beltwaypoetry.com/poetry/poets/names/wilson-ryan/


==Update==
:::This WikiWorld is ours
I updated the article proposed above for anyone to use it. As a disclosure, I know the gentleman (he is a bit of a big to do in the literary circles). I also have a lot of notes for Lamia and am looking for someone who would be interested in working with me. Drop me a note. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 23:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:::to mold.
: <s>Hello. Just to let you know that you can move the above content to [[Draft:Ryan Wilson]] or [[User:Ottava Rima/Ryan Wilson]] if you wish. BTW, I'd love to help out, but I have other priorities. Sorry.</s> Well, best of luck. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 02:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC); oh well, 03:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:::If we can just recall,
: Hmm... I can just reformat your references <s>and/or move the content to either page for you</s>, but that's it. Thanks. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 02:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC); okey dokey, 03:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:;;;"Be bold"
::I -can't- move the page or use it due to various restrictions. All I can do is offer it to other people. But thanks anyway. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 02:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::by Buster7
*Hey Ottava--the praise cited in note 2, are those blurbs from the book? They all sound good, but I typically don't regard those very highly. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 12:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:::
::: {{ec}} I've created the article at [[Draft:Ryan Wilson (poet)]] and made a couple of snapshots at archive.org to replace the Google caches. I hope it meets with your approval. Hopefully others will expand it. It should be ready for mainspace anyway as I believe it passes [[WP:GNG]] and [[WP:CREATIVE]] part 4(c). Cheers --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 12:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 13:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


::::::Thanks for the push to try to write a poem. I like it.--[[User:Buster7|Buster7]] ([[User talk:Buster7|talk]]) 05:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Drmies, I would normally agree but for the status of those two: Pinsky was the US Poet Laureate, which is a pretty big deal. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 13:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
::::Oh I know--I'm a big fan. I have his ''Sounds of Poetry'' laying around somewhere. But the sourcing here is tricky. Where did Pinsky say this? His publications are sourced to the BU website, and these blurbs are sourced to the journal that he himself edits. So what's left, I suppose, is the awards--one of which may be notable, but even that one, the Donald Justice prize, hasn't received much coverage (I mean both your subject winning it and the award itself). In fact, I don't see a single real secondary publication in here, so I won't be the one moving it to main space. If {{U|RexxS}} wishes to do so, that's his prerogative of course. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 13:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Wiki poetry is always great. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 14:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Awards are secondary to the author but primary to themselves. The problem with modern poets in general is that they tend to have very few news articles so award pages tend to be all we have left. Also [https://www.wcupa.edu/arts-humanities/poetry/] has some background on the publication and Donald Justice Poetry Prize - "The award includes publication of his manuscript, The Stranger World". This suggested to me that the Pinksy quotes were connected to this. I'm still looking for some more sources. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 13:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Awards themselves need secondary sourcing to prove they're notable awards. That Justice award is hard to gauge; it's not a big national one, of course. So it helps, sure, but whether that alone is enough is a matter of judgment. I am well aware of the problems with poetic sourcing (you know I've worked on a few articles pertaining to modern poetry...) and it's something that I'm working on; what we really need is a set of guidelines (we need to get away from "poet X published in these journals" and then list them all) and a list of notable publications and awards. Most of all, we need a list of publications and zines whose reviews are reliable and important. I know someone who writes on LitHub, and the moment he started doing that his career started happening--so clearly that's an important place in the world of poetry. Just like poetry.com, haha. If only poetry generated the kind of airtime that's dedicated to monster trucks, K-pop, rassling, and all that. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 13:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Indeed! [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 13:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::By the way, the Frost Farm Poetry Prize should probably have its own page, seeing as how it is from the Robert Frost foundation. [https://www.google.com/#q=%22Frost+Farm+Poetry+Prize%22&tbm=nws This] is interesting, though. Poor Robert Frost and his legacy. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 14:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::: My hesitation in putting the article in mainspace to begin with, is that I'm no expert on the ''significance'' of the awards. If this were some here-today-and-gone-tomorrow pop star, they'd have hundreds of mentions in the popular press for every two-bit award they received. Sadly, no such channels exist for promulgating the news of more traditional artists' awards. However, my take is that the sections devoted to Wilson in particular by John Hopkins Press, and by Boston University amount to "''significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject''" – the touchstone of our notability criteria. I would also argue that "''The person's work ... has won significant critical attention''" which is [[WP:CREATIVE|the notability guideline for creative writers]]. No doubt others may disagree, so I'll leave the final decision to publish the article in mainspace to someone else for now. Cheers --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 16:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'll keep an eye out for more sources and links. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 16:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::By the way, I had a typo - it is ''Literary Matters'' and not ''Literary Manners''. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 16:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


Just a note: [[The Sewanee Review]] page has the Aiken Taylor award but not the breakdown of the other five titles: [https://www.press.jhu.edu/journals/sewanee-review/prizes]. These should probably be listed in the same section (or change the section name to "Prizes"). [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 14:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
== Song to David ==
:Similarly, [[Southwest Review]] could mention [https://www.smu.edu/SouthwestReview/Prizes-and-Awards/MarrPoetryPrize The Morton Marr Poetry Prize] along with their others [https://www.smu.edu/SouthwestReview/Prizes-and-Awards]. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 14:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:And another: [https://untpress.unt.edu/submitting-vassar-miller-prize-poetry] Vassar Miller could be noted at the [[University of North Texas Press]] (a sadly under-served page). [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 14:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


I don't see what the problem is... David ''doesn't'' play a large roll in Freemasonry (in fact, he is mentioned only once, in passing, in a lecture that forms part of the third degree). That is factual and is backed by citation to the ritual itself. Freemasonry focuses on Solomon, not David. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 15:34, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
It's interesting that [[Ryan Wilson (poet)]] has just made its way into mainspace. You were right, {{u|Drmies}}: predictably, the quotes have attracted disagreement about their sourcing, and it would perhaps be best to reduce them to a summary as a compromise. We'll see how that pans out. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 17:18, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
*Hmm a good occasion to do some updating: the LitHub person mentioned above is getting two books out with [[Riverhead Books]]. Anyway, Rexx, what I mentioned above, those are also the standards I try to live by--I don't write in awards unless I can verify them, even if I know them to be true. And my standards--obviously notable ones (even if "obviously notable" to the experts only) can do with some kind of primary sourcing, from the organization, less obviously notable ones require secondary sourcing of the not-just-local-news kind. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but thats just not the case. This is from reliable sources, and in the 18th century, David was a Freemason image. Being a part of a "ritual" has nothing to do with iconography. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 15:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
*Ah, yes, the Pinsky quote...can't find anything for that. I assume it's a note of sorts pertaining to an award, or possibly a blurb for a book. I don't like it, sorry. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:37, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::The Pinsky quote can be found on the bio page at the Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writer's journal Literary Matters: [http://www.literarymatters.org/ryan-wilson-our-editor/]. The same quote is also at Verse Daily [http://www.versedaily.org/2017/aboutryanwilson.shtml] and poems.com [http://poems.com/feature.php?date=17412]. Also, CUA has a faculty page that is available [http://english.cua.edu/faculty/profiles/wilson.cfm]. Dappled Things has an interview [https://dappledthings.org/12431/sneaking-into-the-kings-forest-at-dark-a-conversation-with-ryan-wilson/]. Also, Archive.Org has a file on him as part of their "Apostrophe Cast" program [https://archive.org/details/ApostropheCast1.6-PoetRyanWilson]. And here is a review [http://thereviewreview.net/reviews/hybrid-humor-highs-and-lows-poetry-journal]. And in searching, I found him at Yale Review to add to the others [https://yalereview.yale.edu/dog]. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 20:25, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::: Thank you, Ottava. I've transcribed them onto [[Talk:Ryan Wilson (poet)]] and asked if others would like to use them to expand the article (hint {{u|Drmies}}). Otherwise I'll try to find time to incorporate them myself to the best of my limited ability. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 21:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::Ottava, that they're repeated on various websites doesn't tell me anything about when the man said that and to whom and in what context... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 21:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::: My spidey-sense is telling me that the quotes smack of something you would read on the dust-cover of a book like ''The Stranger World''. Unfortunately, the nearest library copy to me appears to be in San Angelo, TX (7800 km away).
::::: Update: My spidey-sense didn't let me down. Have a look at https://www.amazon.com/Stranger-World-Ryan-Wilson/dp/193957420X – there's a link on the left under the front cover image, [See all 2 images]. Clicking that allows you to see the back cover. Lo and behold! There are the quotes from Pinsky, Yezzi, Warren and Jarman. So the answers to {{u|Drmies|the good Doctor's}} questions are: the quotes were said to the publisher's gopher who was canvassing for text for the back cover prior to the book's publication. Does that help? --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 23:15, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::The publisher is the group that awarded the Donald Justice Prize (Measure Press), and publication of the book is part of the prize. As for the Pinsky quote, he is a former laureate and has a relationship with Measure Press, often reviewing works. He also has a relationship with Ryan as per the interview ("Anyway, a few dozen drafts, a lot of help from Robert Pinsky, and a year later, “The City Under Vesuvius” came out in heroic couplets") and taught in the Boston University program where Ryan graduated. It would be a notable quote simply because he is a very notable individual. Bias doesn't really affect quotations, especially when most quotations are formed by bias. Would it settle any concerns if it was from Robert Pinsky's website? [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 23:29, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


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::I'm sorry, but I am afraid that it ''is'' the case. Masonic ritual is the context in which masonic imagery and symbolism is ''presented''. If something isn't included in masonic ritual, it isn't a Masonic image or icon. All sorts of experts might think it is, but it isn't.
::As for your sources, I am sure they say what you say they do... I am not doubting that at all. Over the years, ''many'' non-masonic sources have interpreted things as being Masonic, when in fact they were not. This is understandable... The Masons only began to publish their rituals fairly recently, so many highly respected experts had to infer what was and was not masonic symbolism based upon what little they could learn about the fraternity as outsiders. With the rituals now published, we now have a more definitive source... the rituals themselves. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 17:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Your interpretation is not founded within reliable sources. I'm sorry, but this is the standard that Wikipedia must meet, and the emails that I have received from London Masonic Librarian on the matter and forwarded to those involved in the prior incident has already established that much of what was said then, which is repeated now, is factually inaccurate. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 18:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:::For all those interested - the 1722 ''Roberts Constitutions'', a well known Masonic pamphlet, discusses King David's role within Masonry and how he started the Temple of Solomon. (quote - "King David loved Masons well and cherish'd them... after the Decease of King David, Solomon his Son finished the Temple that his Father had began.") [http://www.themasonictrowel.com/Articles/Manuscripts/manuscripts/the_old_constitutions_of_the_masons_1722.htm Here] is a link for an electronic copy. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 18:26, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::As a non-specialist, that is my understanding also--David and Solomon as builders of the Temple. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 19:17, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, the Masons' ritual follows the biblical tale... David fought great wars and shed blood abundantly and so is denied the privilege of building the Temple... That task is given to Solomon. As for Robert's Constitutions... David is mentioned exactly three times in the entirety of the text... in that one paragraph. Like I said in my first posting, David is mentioned in passing and it is ''Solomon'', and Solomon's Temple that figure prominently in Masonry. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 22:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Solomon is mentioned in the building. David is mentioned in the design. If you read Smart's poem, you would see that Smart is talking about the designing of a new temple. There is enough precedent for Smart to be doing this, and there are many works written on how this connects to Free Masonry. I don't understand your complaint, nor do I understand your injection of sources that do not actually deal with Christopher Smart and his reliance on this tradition. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 23:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::The problem is that the Masons ''don't'' mention David in the design... they give credit for the design to Solomon (and to a lesser extent the invented character of Hiram Abiff). Again, David is only mentioned in passing, as being Solomons predecessor. You are conflaiting two seperate "Building of the Temple" stories... the Biblical account and the Masonic account. The Masonic account is unlikely to have inspired Smart, since it barely mentions David. Add this to MSJapans doubts about whether Smart was a Mason, and it is more likely that his poem was inspired by the ''Bible'' and not by Freemasonry. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 13:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I take it that you didn't actually look at the source material and realize that you are wrong? It doesn't matter if "David is mentioned in passing", Smart felt like emphasizing David when building his own future version of the temple on new ideas. And you can claim all you want about it not inspiring Smart, but I have two books written by Masons which I produced before which disagree, and I have multiple books on literary criticism which analyze the poem as based on the Masonic view of the temple. If you persist in this matter further, I think you would be doing so in violation of many of Wikipedia's guidelines and against anything that could be considered part of academic integrity. You personally don't feel a way, but I have already provided evidence where Masons as a whole do feel that way. It is severely troubling that you persist in something when the evidence is clearly against you. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 13:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


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We're having a similar issue obout the role of Noah in [[Christianity and Freemasonry]]. It seems that eighteenth Century Masonic mythology has different emphases to twenty first century freemasonry. Practicing freemasons, such as Blueboar, may be able to grasp the concept that this could be the case, but it's hard to grasp it as a fact. [[User:JASpencer|JASpencer]] ([[User talk:JASpencer|talk]]) 11:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:The head of the Masonic Library in London emailed me last time when MSJapan and Blueboard tried disputing it, and I still have that letter. So, if need comes down to it, this could come down to them being topic banned for pushing a Point of View without evidence that even academic Masons disagree with. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 14:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


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== Sermons ==
You need a page structured in the summary style to bind together the individual daughter articles imo. Very ambitious job you are taking on there by the way.
In other news, would you mind casting a cold eye on the [[Henry Moore]] FARc; work is on-going but input and direction as to what remains to be done would be helpful indeed. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 18:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I was hoping to produce the sermons as one page, without need of "daughter" pages. The sermons aren't notable besides as connecting to other works of Johnson and giving general philosophy. However, I could get away with putting together a page on Taylor's 24 publications, but that would take 24 (of 28) sermons out, and still have one page with a lot of sermons. I'm leaning towards having a large page and staying beneath 80k. How does that sound? [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 18:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::It sounds good, if you can do it, and I have no doubt that you can. To go back to Moore; long captions - no man, in visual art articles the img catptons should be self contained; see [[The Garden of Earthly Delights]] were we pushed out the boad on lenght, and I'm glad we did. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 20:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:::It still burns my eyes. When images drop between different sections and causes the headings to scrunch together, or to sandwich text, it makes reading almost impossible for me. I am sensitive to the glare of a screen, and it doesn't help me. This is just me, and I am sure others have an easier time. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 20:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Understood. We were talking about two different things; I'll fix. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 20:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::If you move "West Wind" to the top of the section, you could move "Family Group" up a paragraph. Then you could move "Henry Moore" up a paragraph. I would move the long gallery photo into "Style" and the photo in Style into the gallery. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 20:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


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==Byron==
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So great to see you have taken this on. But make peace and work with Wrad, qp and Awadewit. I'd be fairly sure they would be delighted to be involved, and anyway dont suppose you are overburded and fustrtated by all your friends and collaborators. Ask them. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 19:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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:*How exciting you are working on Byron! Another very important literary figure! Do you have a bibliography somewhere of the biographies and the literary criticism you have decided to read? Perhaps we could share the reading load? I will read the articles you linked to on my talk page next weekend, as this week I am busy catching up on my grading. [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] ([[User talk:Awadewit|talk]]) 15:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::*I will post one this evening on the talk page of my userfied version. Also, I will put up a user page with a list of books and quotations for you (of harder to find sources) in regards to ''The Last Man'' either tonight or sometime soon. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 16:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::*I posted on the talk page a bibliography. I will be adding more details this afternoon. And if you read over the books or find any of your own that are interesting (or details that I didn't mention), feel free to point them out. I only have the taste of one individual, so its always good to have multiple. Plus, this is connected to your field, so you could read a work like ''The Making of the Poets'' about Byron and Shelley and gain some knowledge that may help you later. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 14:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::*Thanks! I also saw your note about ''Prometheus Unbound''. I only have a few biographical references to MS and PBS which I'm sure you already have, so I'm afraid I can't help much there. I've started pecking away at the [[Frankenstein|Modern Prometheus]], which will take me awhile. While you were lecturing on poetry, I was lecturing on prose. :) [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] ([[User talk:Awadewit|talk]]) 16:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::* I'm not all poesy. I gave a wonderful presentation on Richardson's background in letter writing and his biography before. Everyone talks about ''Pamela'' or ''Clarrisa'', but I'm one of those silly people that think that prose and poetry are written by those things called "authors" and that we should put some thought into their lives. Hehe. By the way, I added what I had on Mary Shelley's involvement in both the background and a "technical" section to discuss the editions. Mary did a lot for promoting and publishing a "cleaner" version of the play, and her notes were very important, so I didn't want her to be slighted. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 16:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::*Mary Shelley apparently made the reputation of Percy Shelley the poet through her notes and editions of his works - she shaped the reception and attitude people took towards PBS's poetry (it is quite fascinating, really). It is worth reading through her editions just for the notes. :) By the way, do you want me to read Marchand's three-volume biography of Byron? It is from 1957, but I think it is still held in some esteem. (I've already read the more popular Eisler.) [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] ([[User talk:Awadewit|talk]]) 17:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::*I relied on Mayne for the bulk because that biography was written before the controversy, so none of the text would have to be analyzed and carefully stated. Marchand is a great Byron scholar, and her biography would be very important to add. If you can put some quotes into the page, that would be great. I've been focusing on the popular biographies that give the more controversial claims about his sex life (i.e. him having slept with everyone. No friends, no platonic relationships, just pure sex sex sex everywhere he goes, supposedly) so we can deal with the constant adding of the material by random viewers of the Byron page. It would be necessary to add, but it should be phrased corrected and blatantly attributed as the opinion of the popular biographers. Longford and Drinkwater's biographies are the two other current critical biographies (along with Marchard) that supply a more neutral foundation for Byron's life. Its all somewhat complicated, but feel free to add whenever. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 17:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::*It is hard to stave that sort of thing off, yes. I will get the biography, then, and see what I can do. I work slowly, though. [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] ([[User talk:Awadewit|talk]]) 17:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::*Slow and steady makes a worth while page, as they say. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 17:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


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If you have a copy of Mary Shelley's notes to ''Prometheus Unbound'', we could create a section called "Interpretation". There are a few famous interpretations and readings that would be good to include, and Mary's would be important. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 17:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:*It is available online [http://books.google.com/books?id=mFkJAAAAQAAJ here]. [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] ([[User talk:Awadewit|talk]]) 17:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


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Don't know if you've got this in hand, but [http://members.tripod.com/enoch2112/ByronBurial.htm The Shame of Jesus' Burial] is an interesting example of [[higher criticism]]. Noticed it at [http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/ exploring our matrix]. . [[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 07:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks. I've heard similar, but its helpful. :) I'll finish up some of Byron and put together a makeshift version of the tomb page, and then move on to other stuff and double back. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 13:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


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Long time no talk Ottava; yeah I'm still planning on this, and have been slowly acquiring sources and researching. For the moment I'm planning on working through the Law FAR, which will likely take 2-3 weeks, but after that I should have enough to begin. I'd prefer if you didn't start without me, and I do agree that it should spend a fair amount of time in user space (your place or mine....) so we can sketch and create place holders without worring too much about being wiki correct. I was trying to find that sub-page on your user space where you posted a list of possible sources we could use; but didn't; can you pass on the link again. Anyway, talk to you later. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 21:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
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::Holy crap I forgot. The RCC page was getting read to FAC and I got caught up helping someone else and I totally forgot. Here I was minding my own business and reading instead of doing that. Tomorrow morning I'll get right on it. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 02:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


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How did you get two articles to FA status while banned? [[User:Benjaminikuta|Benjamin]] ([[User talk:Benjaminikuta|talk]]) 05:26, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Ottava, I appreciate your comments at the Christianity and Freemasonry article... unfortunately, as a new comer to that article, you are probably not aware of the fact that I and several other members of the Freemasonry project have spent several ''years'' attempting to fix this particular article. There comes a time when you know that the positive approach will fall on deaf ears, and the only way to fix the problem is to be more confontational.
:Which two are you referring to? [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 15:15, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
I fully realize that the Catholic Chruch has deep issues with Freemasonry, and I ''absolutely'' agree that these should be discussed... but they need to be discussed with a neutral tone and without the attempt to "prove" anything. I and other members of the Freemasonry Project have ''tried'' to interject a more Neutral tone and some POV balance to the article numerous times, but the POV material and tone keeps creeping back in. As does the repeated interjection of Original Research. My patience runs thin.[[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 19:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:I've already given what I think the section should be - a summary of the page it refers to. If you have any language to rewrite the section, please produce that in the talk page and ask for a consensus. If a problem occurs, call up an RfC for the talk page to invite others to see how they feel about the new language. A confrontational manner only causes people to not want to listen, and when people think that they aren't being listened to, they will be confrontational. It is a classical spiral. Don't criticize, instead try to improve. Don't attack, instead try to harness the other users. When something looks off, ask for quotations and try to build something better with the person. At best, a person could probably understand only 70% of an issue based on human limitations or personal bias, so always keep that in mind that you will need to rely on people that you disagree with. Seek to improve and build, not tear down and destroy. Not everything is cut and dry. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 19:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::"A confrontational manner only causes people to not want to listen, and when people think that they aren't being listened to, they will be confrontational." That is actually a very good summary of the history of that particular article, and why I have ended up being confrontational myself. In any case, thank you for attempting to break through the confrontation. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 14:11, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


:: None, in particular; any, or all of them, I suppose. Really, I'm just curious what the procedure is for contributing while banned. [[User:Benjaminikuta|Benjamin]] ([[User talk:Benjaminikuta|talk]]) 15:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
== ''[[History of a Six Weeks' Tour]]'' and "[[Mont Blanc (poem)|Mont Blanc]]" ==
:::There is none. Most of the articles were written well before hand. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 15:19, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
::::How is that "while" banned, then? [[User:Benjaminikuta|Benjamin]] ([[User talk:Benjaminikuta|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
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As I am sure you are aware, [[Mont Blanc (poem)|Mont Blanc]] was first published in ''History of a Six Weeks' Tour''. I am now working on the ''Tour'' article. I have decided that "Mont Blanc" should have its own separate article since scholars don't really talk about the ''Tour'' together with "Mont Blanc" all that often. "Mont Blanc" is usually treated as its own separate poem. However, I do need to describe the poem when I am describing the entire ''Tour''. I was wondering if you could help me devise a good way to describe "Mont Blanc" without drifting into original research in the "Description" section of the article? The current description is a little thin. Thanks! [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] ([[User talk:Awadewit|talk]]) 15:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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:I've written a few papers on Mont Blanc, so I have plenty of notes around. How about this, I build the page beyond 10k, put it for DYK, and in the process give you something to describe the poem with for the Six Weeks. I have off tomorrow, and I will be working on this tonight and tomorrow, so I will do this in conjunction with the Wordsworth stuff that I promised above. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 17:22, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::That would be wonderful. The current MB page is a pathetic little stub that I wrote in about in about 30 seconds when I discovered we had no article at all! :) [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] ([[User talk:Awadewit|talk]]) 17:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


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Would you agree to withdraw the nomination, and after whichever outstanding comments that have merit have been dealt with, then resubmitting it? --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 20:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


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PS: I'll be happy to continue offering what little help I can during a renomination, so I'm not abandoning the article, just suggesting a new start. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 20:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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:They will just edit the next time, and the next time, and the next time. Nothing will change. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 03:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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::One thing will change; there will be someone able and willing to close the nomination on its merits, which there clearly isn't now. For whatever reason Raul654 is absent. Let's restart. Please? --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 03:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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:::I cannot with clean conscience allow anyone to promote this page except for Raul, unless Raul appoints a second delegate who hasn't worked on this page. I'm only one of the noms, so see if you can get a majority if you want to restart. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 03:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


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::::I want a restart, Sandy wants a restart (without her being a nominator). Raul is between a rock and a hard place. Can we not just get on with this? --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 03:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::If this restarts and Sandy isn't on the list, what makes it seem like Raul is able to promote it in an easier way? Are we now saying that Raul cannot promote articles that Sandy worked on? [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 03:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Let's worry about that if or when Raul ever returns to planet Earth. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 03:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Believe it or not, I like Raul, so please don't make disparaging comments on my talk page about him. I have a lot of respect for the man. If I'm overreacting, then I am, and I am sorry. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 03:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Your opinion of Raul, or your opinion of my opinion of Raul, is of no interest to me. I am simply concerned with putting this embarassing debacle to bed. Please withdraw the nomination. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 04:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Pmanderson made it clear that he will oppose until this is no longer at FAC. Raul is the only one who can close a FAC and he hasn't. Why would you think a restart would change this or potentially not invite newer people to oppose or cause further problems? If this FAC closes, then I will not be around to resubmit it, because nothing will change. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 04:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::You're in cloud cuckoo land. When was the last time that you saw Raul close an FAC? For Christ's sake Ottava, get with the programme. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 04:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even without being listed, Sandy still cannot close this FAC, Malleus. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 04:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Why do you persist in this nonsense? Of course Sandy can't close this FAC, and Raul clearly won't close it either. So withdraw the nomination. How hard is that? What are you trying to prove? That FAC is a lottery? Obviously it is, but why allow Sam Johnson's article to be wrecked by the 6th million monkey to come along, who disagrees with monkey number 5,597,897? --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 04:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::If you feel that it cannot be resubmitted again and wont pass, then you have my blessing to tell Raul that it will be withdrawn and not readded at a later date by us. As such, I wipe my hands clean of the whole page and I will not take responsibility for anything on the page, and I will dewatch it so I wont be bothered if anyone decides to take it up later. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 04:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


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::::::::::::::Jeez Louise watch my lips. Of course it can be submitted again, and may well pass if/when it is. I just want this current embarassing FAC to be be withdrawn. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 04:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


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I made it clear from the beginning that I don't want an FA star, that I just build content, and that I don't really care enough. I've stuck around to do what I could to help Sandy's work get to the main page. Sandy doesn't want to be on the FAC, and the FAC doesn't seem like it will be beyond any of its current problems later. So, I don't want anything more to do with it at the future. I came in because there was a citation needed template. I have been berated, insulted, and attacked during this process. I've had to deal with a lot of people in a lot of ways that did not make me feel comfortable. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 04:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


:Fine. So will you now please withdraw the FAC nomination? --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 04:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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:redacted by Ottava Rima, reason: Malleus has no reason to ever apologize for any comment ever directed to me, no matter what nature, how harsh, or any such things. I would rather not allow anyone to misconstrue or give anyone the ability to use any such comment by Malleus towards me against him. He has now, and ever forward and past, no reason to apologize for anything towards me, or for my inability to respond in any kind. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 05:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::Very thoughtful of you Ottava. We bad boys need to stick together. Maybe one day I'll be lucky enough to get two girls watching out for me as well. :-) --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 05:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Why need two girls when you have one Sandy? Shes worth 20 girls, 80 editors, and 8 ArbCom members in your pocket combined. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 05:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


== Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago ==
::::She's definitely a tough gig, that's for sure. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 05:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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::::: (coughs) And me piling work on Malleus doesn't count? (sniffles) On a serious matter, I'm not sure WHY SJ went south, I'd love to know to avoid it in the future. I can't see how it's really anyone's fault. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 12:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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I've sent Sandy an email with my feelings and intentions. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 05:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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and today's TFA is an article about a poem ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:25, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
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Where? I see no such change of mind at the FAC; please supply a diff. More importantly, while it is possible that I hit the only two substantially flawed citations out of 245, I remain unconvinced by this appeal to odds of one in thirty thousand. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] <small>[[User talk:Pmanderson|PMAnderson]]</small> 03:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:I take SH's continued qualms, and Dr. Kiernan's list of examples, as evidences of endemic bad writing. The article needs more than having those instances fixed; it needs a copyedit by someone who hasn't seen it before. But I would consider a restarted nomination, which I trust will be after the copyedit, on the merits of the article then presented. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] <small>[[User talk:Pmanderson|PMAnderson]]</small> 03:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::Nice Wikilawyering. But try reading what I said; where three reviewers have found ''different'' samples of problems of the same kind, it is statistically almost certain there are more which none of us has mentioned. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] <small>[[User talk:Pmanderson|PMAnderson]]</small> 03:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


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== Mark Speight ==


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Hi, you commented on the (failed) FAC; please can you help me out by leaving some feedback at [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Mark Speight/archive2|peer review]]? Thanks, and best wishes, -- [[User:How do you turn this on|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:white; background:gray;">how&nbsp;do&nbsp;you&nbsp;turn&nbsp;this&nbsp;on</span>]] 12:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


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==[[Samuel Johnson]] 2==
My faith in the FAC process has been affirmed. Congratulations, it really is a great article. [[Image:Face-smile.svg|25px]] [[User:NancyHeise|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#E75480">Nancy</font><font color="#960018">Heise</font></font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:NancyHeise#top|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#F6ADC6">talk</font></font>]]</sup> 02:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


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: Congrats as well. Great works are performed not by strength, but by perseverance; yonder palace was raised by single stones, yet you see its height and spaciousness. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 07:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


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::Ottava, I'm so happy for you! You not only created an excellent article about a truly notable individual, you also put up with six (seven?) weeks of FAC-hell and managed to persuade those you've previously disagreed with to see your points. I sincerely hope that your next FAC attempt will lack drama around its closing. Congratulations! [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 13:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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Thank you, but please don't forget to acknowledge Sandy and Malleus. Sandy was invaluable for the medical aspects and the reason why this huge page was able to meet 99% of the MoS guidelines (the other 1% was sheer accidental meeting the guidelines). Also, Malleus was the most important copy editor, the Anglifier, the context and syntax checker, the guy who pointed out what didn't make sense, and a master with language. They are the ones responsible from turning this B class article into a true FA class article. Anyone can add content, but Wikipedia is about editors, and they have proven themselves true editors. I am deeply indebted to them. This is truly their FA. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 14:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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:You're being way too generous and modest Ottava. Sandy and I would have withdrawn the nomination, as you know. Almost as important as your writing was your determination to see this thing through to the end. And now, back to work! :-) --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 14:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::For what it's worth, Malleus, I think that without your encouragement, the article would not have been nominated for FA in the first place. You've all done amazing work. [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 14:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


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|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | To Ottava Rima, For your excellence, effort and perseverance in bringing [[Samuel Johnson]] to featured status, and sticking with the old guy when most of us had given up, I pass along to you this most deserved barnstar. It's my favorite award: as Gimmetrow said, for "enduring a piece of wikipurgatory and still shining". I hope your future FAC ventures will be smoother sailing. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 18:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Congratulations indeed - what a marathon! [[User:Ben MacDui|<font color="#6495ED">Ben</font>]] [[User talk:Ben MacDui|<font color="#C154C1">Mac</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Ben MacDui|<font color="#228B22">Dui</font>]] 20:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks, but just know that I will be harassing you about opinions and information for all of the Scotland related works. :P [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 21:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


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== Precious anniversary ==
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== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Damn it I see Sandy beat me to the barnstar, by anyway well done; a huge achievement, more please. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 22:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I just started making my way through the articles on T. S. Eliot you wrote. Thanks again for your dedication to qualitiy work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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:I think Malleus and Sandy deserve one also. But for Sandy, can you find a suitable portrait that is high culture and medically related? Perhaps [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Harvey_William_color.jpg this one]. :D [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 22:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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::I was going to go for summary style; but I think it may be more useful to contain all the info in the parent article, and gut the, well she dwelt is the only, sub articles. I'm only gathering sources and making notes for now; to be honest a lot of the books are dry and heavy going, so this might bne a long one. Oh and yeah I meant to get to Malleus, but got distracted....[[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 22:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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:::I'll make sure to put the notes in an easy to gather fashion. Geoffrey Hartman's analysis should be one of the most helpful. Don't forget that Strange fits of passion have I known has a page. The poems should be kept to Wikisource, so there is little on the page that would be helpful. "She dwelt" is the most famous of the poems, and possibly the only one worth being independent. However, when I look for more info, I'll see if the others are worth being on their own. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 23:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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but he is tireless and full of red bull, so any other suggestions welcome. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 00:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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:If you are looking on JSTOR, pick up Richard Matlak's "Wordsworth's Lucy Poems in Psychobiographical Context". [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 00:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

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== Miss ya ==
:::I have them all, but you might need to keep up. :) I'll start putting together notes tomorrow. I'm falling behind. XD [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima#top|talk]]) 01:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

*I feel honored to be named a "help" with this article, albeit minor. All I really did was randomly look at a section, raise a few points, and some tweaks. But that's not the point--you really worked hard on this and it deserved the star. I am not a brilliant prose writer, but I get stuff down and with the help of others create FAs (2). But you're work here is 5,000 times better than those two and [[1964 Gabon coup d'etat]] combined. Keep it up! '''the <span style="color:#FF7F00">[[User:Editorofthewiki|editorofthewiki]] ([[User talk:Editorofthewiki#top|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Editorofthewiki|contribs]]/[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Editorofthewiki|editor review]])'''</span> 01:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Hope you are well and things are going OK. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 21:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
:Ottava; bnotes please by 9:00 tomorrow by big ben, or this is ANI material and you will be restricted to editing Oasis albums, recent hurricanes and in popular culture spin outs before you can say 'the dog ate it' ;0 [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup>

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Thanks again for all the high quality contributions

User:Ottava Rima has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Ottava Rima's day!
You have made remarkable contributions to the project,
and the editors and readers of those pages are and always will be grateful to you for them.
We all look forward to seeing you return and continue in such development.
Thank you again for your outstanding efforts at article development.

Peace,
John Carter (talk) 20:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

Thanks from me to and thanks for trying to save the Han / Roman article as your last action. If you decide to return I look forward to seeing more of your gorgeous content for me to review over at Good Articles. Merry Christmas! FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas, Ottava Rima!

Peace be with you, brother.

Serious. Peace. Let these things go and be filled with joy. Christ was not gifted to humanity for you to be unhappy.

Someday at Christmas man will not fail
Take hope because your love will prevail
Someday a new world that we can start
With hope in every heart
[1]

--Moni3 (talk) 15:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And to you to, Moni. But don't worry, I could never be unhappy in regards to Christ. :) I'm sure most people have read excerpts of my column to know that so far. ;/ Have a good New Year, too. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


DYK for Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard

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Main page

Congratulations, dude. Ceoil (talk) 18:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two things

This,


and this.


Commence half-frowny-face reaction. That is all. --Moni3 (talk) 15:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Kubla Khan

NW (Talk) 11:17, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually...

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Banglapedia copyright problems

Hi, Ottava. I just wanted to thank you for having this brought to my attention. You might be interested in what we're doing with your tip; we've launched a special "CCI" (special, since this isn't a contributor) and are planning to appeal to the relevant WikiProject for assistance. It's going to be a lot of work cleaning it all up, but certainly it is much needed, and the longer problems like this go unaddressed, the more tangled clean-up becomes. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Four Award
Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Christopher Smart's asylum confinement. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:30, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:30, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cookie

Aparrantly no one comments on your talk page, so I thought I'd give you a cookie ... except I cba to find the cookie template, so I'll give you an IOU for a cookie :) --Imagine Wizard (talk contribs count) Iway amway Imagineway Izardway. 01:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Four Award
Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on The Author's Farce. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

The Writer's Barnstar
I just wanted to let you know that your monumental literary contributions are still very much appreciated. INeverCry 19:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Whoa...

I just stumbled across your story while looking up other things. Suffice to say, it's a whale of a tale. Being rather brutally honest, you were kind of like me back in 2007;

Good intentions, but poor execution.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult you or be mean or cowardly. Seriously, you made some INCREDIBLE edits (a quick once-over of your edit history will back me up here), but looking over your block log tells me that you were always rather confromational (a Wikiversity fracas with the equally-legendary Abd springs to mind), and as such, you were always "riding the ragged edge of disaster", to quote Jim Davis. And you got tangled up with the ArbCom...there's a pit that's hard to get out of. Banned, even stripped of the ability to edit your own talkpage and reply to me. That's a rather stiff punishment, no? You must have really screwed up somewhere (I'm not going to dwell on that). Still, in my eyes, you deserve a...what is it now, twentieth chance? (just kidding). But there are a bunch of people who are behind you all the way. I'm not one of them....I know bog all about you, really. Have a listen to Queen's Hang On In There and mull it over; try to see how it relates to your experiences. Xterra1 20:02, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The Covent-Garden Journal was an English literary periodical published twice a week for most of 1752. It was edited and almost entirely financed by novelist, playwright, and essayist Henry Fielding (pictured), under a pseudonym. The Journal incited the "Paper War" of 1752–1753, a conflict between a number of contemporary literary critics and writers, which began after Fielding declared war on the "armies of Grub Street" in the first issue. His proclamation attracted multiple aggressors and instigated a long-lasting debate argued in the pages of their respective publications. Initially waged for the sake of increasing sales, the Paper War ultimately became much larger than Fielding had expected. Further controversy erupted in June, when Fielding expressed support for a letter decrying the Government's 1752 Disorderly House Act in the Journal. His remarks were viewed by the public as an endorsement of the legality of prostitution. The final issue of the Journal was released on 25 November 1752. In its last months, poor sales had resulted in a transition from biweekly to weekly release. Ill-health and a disinclination to continue led Fielding to end its run after the 72nd number. (Full article...)

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Precious and missed

Today, I like your TFA, "... a lot of examination and discussion over just about every line over months and months. I will welcome -all- concerns and comments, and I will thoroughly discuss matters with Haiduc in order to ensure that changes would not disrupt the balance. I would also prefer to keep the balance over anything else. However, I do feel that the page is extremely thorough and well put together, as it represents just about -everything- on Giraud. So, I now present to you our dear Nicolo Giraud, the boy/young man who almost absolutely nothing is really known, for your consideration." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Seven years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you!

Cheers. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back, and I look forward to helping you come back into the community. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back. I'll be really happy to see you contributing as prolifically as you did in the past. If there's anything I can do to make that easier for you, please say so here. I'll keep your talk page on my watchlist. All the best --RexxS (talk) 23:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Happy

Happy cat dance

(found by Opabinia regalis, where ice-breaking is also mentioned) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe kitty kitty here got into the beer Drmies left above? Good to see you back, OR. John Carter (talk) 16:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]


New Article

As I finish drafting material related to Lamia, I have some material for an article on an award winning poet for someone else to use to create a page.


Ryan Wilson (1982-) is an academic, editor, literary critic, and poet from Baltimore, Maryland. He is the office manager of the Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writers, editor of Literary Matters, and an award winning poet and essayist. His first collection of poetry, The Stranger World, will be published in June, 2017.Photo, released CC-BY-SA 4.0 according to ref 7

Personal life

In 1982, Wilson was born in Griffin, Georgia.[1] He grew up in Macon, Georgia and graduated from Tattnall Square Academy in 2000.[2]

He has a B.A. (English) from the University of Georgia, an M.F.A. (Poetry) from The Johns Hopkins University, and an M. F. A. (Poetry) [3] from Boston University in 2008.[1] Currently he is a doctoral candidate at The Catholic University of America, and he serves as the Office Manager of the Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writers and editor of Literary Matters, the association's digital literary journal.[2] He lives in Baltimore with his wife.[1]

Publications

His works have been published in 32 Poems,[1] Able Muse,[1] The Classical Outlook,[4] Dappled Things,[1] First Things,[1] Light,[1] The Hopkins Review,[1] Iron Horse Literary Review,[1] Measure,[1] Raintown Review,[1] River Styx,[1] The Sewanee Review,[1] The Sewanee Theological Review,[1] Unsplendid,[1] among others.

His first collection of poetry, The Stranger World was published by Measure Press in June 2017.[1] Mark Jarman said, "The Stranger World includes heartbreaking lyrics, haunting narratives, inspired translations, and finely honed satires... written with the authority of mastery."[2] Robert Pinsky wrote, "Ryan Wilson’s mastery of traditional forms serves a fresh, distinctive poetry of candor and meditation: soulful rather than brittle, more observant than performative. The idiomatic, American blank verse of Wilson’s 'Authority' and 'L’Estraneo' is as fluent as that of Robert Frost, but with an oblique tenderness that reminds me of Frost’s friend Edward Thomas."[2]

Awards

  • Sankey Prize for Excellence in Poetry (JHU).[3]
  • Schmuel Traum Prize (BU).[3]
  • Eleanor Clark Award (Robert Penn Warren Circle), winner.[3]
  • Morton Marr Prize (The Southwest Review), finalist, 2009.[3]
  • International Poetry Contest (River Styx), honorable mention, 2012.[3]
  • Vassar Miller Book Prize, finalist, 2015.[1]
  • Frost Farm Poetry Prize, honorable mention, 2015.[5]
  • Jacques Maritain Prize (Dappled Things), winner, 2015.[6]
  • Vassar Miller Book Prize, finalist, 2016.[4]
  • Walter Sullivan Prize for Promise in Criticism (The Sewanne Review), winner, 2016.[7]
  • Donald Justice Poetry Prize, winner, 2017.[8]

Works cited

  1. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r "Ryan Wilson’s recent publications and awards." Boston University Creative Writing. June 15, 2015 [2]
  2. ^ a b c d "Ryan Wilson, Our Editor" Literary Matters, The Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writers. [3]
  3. ^ a b c d e f Catholic University of America [4]
  4. ^ a b "Ryan Wilson’s Pushcart nomination and publications." Boston University Creative Writing. July 15, 2016. [5]
  5. ^ The Robert Frost Farm [6]
  6. ^ "Winners of the 2015 Jacques Maritain Prize for Nonfiction." Dappled Things [7]
  7. ^ Johns Hopkins University Press [8]
  8. ^ "Poetry News." Westchester University Poetry Center [9]

External links

Update

I updated the article proposed above for anyone to use it. As a disclosure, I know the gentleman (he is a bit of a big to do in the literary circles). I also have a lot of notes for Lamia and am looking for someone who would be interested in working with me. Drop me a note. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Just to let you know that you can move the above content to Draft:Ryan Wilson or User:Ottava Rima/Ryan Wilson if you wish. BTW, I'd love to help out, but I have other priorities. Sorry. Well, best of luck. --George Ho (talk) 02:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC); oh well, 03:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... I can just reformat your references and/or move the content to either page for you, but that's it. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 02:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC); okey dokey, 03:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I -can't- move the page or use it due to various restrictions. All I can do is offer it to other people. But thanks anyway. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 02:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hey Ottava--the praise cited in note 2, are those blurbs from the book? They all sound good, but I typically don't regard those very highly. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 12:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I've created the article at Draft:Ryan Wilson (poet) and made a couple of snapshots at archive.org to replace the Google caches. I hope it meets with your approval. Hopefully others will expand it. It should be ready for mainspace anyway as I believe it passes WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE part 4(c). Cheers --RexxS (talk) 12:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Drmies, I would normally agree but for the status of those two: Pinsky was the US Poet Laureate, which is a pretty big deal. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I know--I'm a big fan. I have his Sounds of Poetry laying around somewhere. But the sourcing here is tricky. Where did Pinsky say this? His publications are sourced to the BU website, and these blurbs are sourced to the journal that he himself edits. So what's left, I suppose, is the awards--one of which may be notable, but even that one, the Donald Justice prize, hasn't received much coverage (I mean both your subject winning it and the award itself). In fact, I don't see a single real secondary publication in here, so I won't be the one moving it to main space. If RexxS wishes to do so, that's his prerogative of course. Drmies (talk) 13:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Awards are secondary to the author but primary to themselves. The problem with modern poets in general is that they tend to have very few news articles so award pages tend to be all we have left. Also [10] has some background on the publication and Donald Justice Poetry Prize - "The award includes publication of his manuscript, The Stranger World". This suggested to me that the Pinksy quotes were connected to this. I'm still looking for some more sources. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Awards themselves need secondary sourcing to prove they're notable awards. That Justice award is hard to gauge; it's not a big national one, of course. So it helps, sure, but whether that alone is enough is a matter of judgment. I am well aware of the problems with poetic sourcing (you know I've worked on a few articles pertaining to modern poetry...) and it's something that I'm working on; what we really need is a set of guidelines (we need to get away from "poet X published in these journals" and then list them all) and a list of notable publications and awards. Most of all, we need a list of publications and zines whose reviews are reliable and important. I know someone who writes on LitHub, and the moment he started doing that his career started happening--so clearly that's an important place in the world of poetry. Just like poetry.com, haha. If only poetry generated the kind of airtime that's dedicated to monster trucks, K-pop, rassling, and all that. Drmies (talk) 13:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed! Ottava Rima (talk) 13:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, the Frost Farm Poetry Prize should probably have its own page, seeing as how it is from the Robert Frost foundation. This is interesting, though. Poor Robert Frost and his legacy. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
My hesitation in putting the article in mainspace to begin with, is that I'm no expert on the significance of the awards. If this were some here-today-and-gone-tomorrow pop star, they'd have hundreds of mentions in the popular press for every two-bit award they received. Sadly, no such channels exist for promulgating the news of more traditional artists' awards. However, my take is that the sections devoted to Wilson in particular by John Hopkins Press, and by Boston University amount to "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" – the touchstone of our notability criteria. I would also argue that "The person's work ... has won significant critical attention" which is the notability guideline for creative writers. No doubt others may disagree, so I'll leave the final decision to publish the article in mainspace to someone else for now. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 16:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'll keep an eye out for more sources and links. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I had a typo - it is Literary Matters and not Literary Manners. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note: The Sewanee Review page has the Aiken Taylor award but not the breakdown of the other five titles: [11]. These should probably be listed in the same section (or change the section name to "Prizes"). Ottava Rima (talk) 14:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly, Southwest Review could mention The Morton Marr Poetry Prize along with their others [12]. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And another: [13] Vassar Miller could be noted at the University of North Texas Press (a sadly under-served page). Ottava Rima (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's interesting that Ryan Wilson (poet) has just made its way into mainspace. You were right, Drmies: predictably, the quotes have attracted disagreement about their sourcing, and it would perhaps be best to reduce them to a summary as a compromise. We'll see how that pans out. --RexxS (talk) 17:18, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hmm a good occasion to do some updating: the LitHub person mentioned above is getting two books out with Riverhead Books. Anyway, Rexx, what I mentioned above, those are also the standards I try to live by--I don't write in awards unless I can verify them, even if I know them to be true. And my standards--obviously notable ones (even if "obviously notable" to the experts only) can do with some kind of primary sourcing, from the organization, less obviously notable ones require secondary sourcing of the not-just-local-news kind. Drmies (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, yes, the Pinsky quote...can't find anything for that. I assume it's a note of sorts pertaining to an award, or possibly a blurb for a book. I don't like it, sorry. Drmies (talk) 17:37, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Pinsky quote can be found on the bio page at the Association of Literary Scholars, Critics, and Writer's journal Literary Matters: [14]. The same quote is also at Verse Daily [15] and poems.com [16]. Also, CUA has a faculty page that is available [17]. Dappled Things has an interview [18]. Also, Archive.Org has a file on him as part of their "Apostrophe Cast" program [19]. And here is a review [20]. And in searching, I found him at Yale Review to add to the others [21]. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:25, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Ottava. I've transcribed them onto Talk:Ryan Wilson (poet) and asked if others would like to use them to expand the article (hint Drmies). Otherwise I'll try to find time to incorporate them myself to the best of my limited ability. --RexxS (talk) 21:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ottava, that they're repeated on various websites doesn't tell me anything about when the man said that and to whom and in what context... Drmies (talk) 21:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My spidey-sense is telling me that the quotes smack of something you would read on the dust-cover of a book like The Stranger World. Unfortunately, the nearest library copy to me appears to be in San Angelo, TX (7800 km away).
Update: My spidey-sense didn't let me down. Have a look at https://www.amazon.com/Stranger-World-Ryan-Wilson/dp/193957420X – there's a link on the left under the front cover image, [See all 2 images]. Clicking that allows you to see the back cover. Lo and behold! There are the quotes from Pinsky, Yezzi, Warren and Jarman. So the answers to the good Doctor's questions are: the quotes were said to the publisher's gopher who was canvassing for text for the back cover prior to the book's publication. Does that help? --RexxS (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The publisher is the group that awarded the Donald Justice Prize (Measure Press), and publication of the book is part of the prize. As for the Pinsky quote, he is a former laureate and has a relationship with Measure Press, often reviewing works. He also has a relationship with Ryan as per the interview ("Anyway, a few dozen drafts, a lot of help from Robert Pinsky, and a year later, “The City Under Vesuvius” came out in heroic couplets") and taught in the Boston University program where Ryan graduated. It would be a notable quote simply because he is a very notable individual. Bias doesn't really affect quotations, especially when most quotations are formed by bias. Would it settle any concerns if it was from Robert Pinsky's website? Ottava Rima (talk) 23:29, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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How did you get two articles to FA status while banned? Benjamin (talk) 05:26, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which two are you referring to? Ottava Rima (talk) 15:15, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
None, in particular; any, or all of them, I suppose. Really, I'm just curious what the procedure is for contributing while banned. Benjamin (talk) 15:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is none. Most of the articles were written well before hand. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:19, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How is that "while" banned, then? Benjamin (talk) 15:23, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Awesome
Ten years!

and today's TFA is an article about a poem ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Precious anniversary

Precious
Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Writer's Barnstar
I just started making my way through the articles on T. S. Eliot you wrote. Thanks again for your dedication to qualitiy work. Viriditas (talk) 21:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Miss ya

Hope you are well and things are going OK. Herostratus (talk) 21:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]