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Needs pictures. I'll put some in. [[User:Lockeownzj00|Lockeownzj00]] 22:29, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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== FF4: Originally planned for Famicom? ==
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:Final Fantasy was originally planned for the Famicom, though no prototype was ever made. A screenshot "mockup" was created in a Japanese magazine, which included speculative information that turned out to be false. [http://www.lostlevels.org/200311/200311-square.shtml]
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::Hmmm...you should probably mention it under the different versions heading.
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== Differences between versions ==
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I noticed an anonymous user reworked the "differences between versions" section. While the idea itself isn't necessarily bad, the changes seemed to be based on the idea that "it's believed that FF4 ET was based on FF2, and not the other way around." This is, IMO, a very strange statement to make, seeing as how FF4 Easytype was released over a month ''before'' FF2US. It's not impossible, I'll grant you, that the US version was developed first, and only released after FF4ET, but if we're going to say that, we need to provide some evidence, otherwise it's just baseless hearsay which doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. That being said, it's probably a good idea to have a section highlighting the minor differences between FF4ET and FF2US.... – [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 13:17, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
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The "Altered item and attack names" section under the FF2 heading claims that items were "renamed" from one English name to another (ie, Phoenix Down was "renamed" to "Life"). This is not only untrue, it doesn't make sense. Aside from "potion," none of the items mentioned used English words for their names in the Japanese version of the game. The fact that フェニックスのお ("Phoenix Tail") was translated as Phoenix Down in subsequent localizations doesn't mean that it was "renamed" here. Making up a name in English for an item with a name in Japanese does not constitute "renaming" it. The items were "renamed" in subsequent releases. [[User:219.196.64.78|219.196.64.78]] 04:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
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There are two music tracks in the GBA version which differ slightly from their original counterparts, namely: the theme used in the Sylph Cave & the cave leading to the realm of summoned monsters; and the theme for the Tower of Babel. The differences are minute--the former in the melody where a Bb is played rather than the original Eb; the latter where a major (rather than minor) interval is played in the parallel-moving string-harmony. -- [[User:Reyneken|Reyneken]] 00:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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== Question about differences between versions ==
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I know that Square later rereleased the game with a more true-to-the-original script, but I don't seem to remember them ever talking about Kain's past and relationship with his father or any real motivations behind Zemus's plan. Did they leave this out of the rerelease, or did I just not pay close enough attention? And could someone explain that part to me, please? I'm interested to know about Kain and his father and Zemus's plan.
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== Earth? ==
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I see that in some of the character profiles and in other places the planet of the game is referred to as "Earth." Was this just in the original English version or what? ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 22:28, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
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*Nope, they're on Earth. That's what they call it anyway. For instance, the "Legend of Mysidia" (which is stated in the game twice I believe and also is on the TOC for ''Final Fantasy IV'' in the ''Final Fantasy Chronicles'' instruction booklet...
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::''One born of a dragon, <br>bearing darkness and light, <br> shall rise to the heavens <br>over the still land. <br>Bathing the moon in eternal <br>light, he brings a promise <br>to Mother <u>Earth</u> with <br>bounty and grace.''
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:This conversation comes to mind as well...
::'''FuSoYa''': In eons past, a planet between Mars and Jupiter verged on extinction. The survivors escaped by ship to the blue planet.<br>
::'''Cecil''': The blue planet...? Our home?<br>
::'''FuSoYa''': Yes, <u>Earth</u>. But because the people of <u>Earth</u> were still evolving, the survivors created another moon, where they now sleep.<br>
::'''Edge''': So these survivors became Lunarians, and they're still sleeping.<br>
::'''FuSoYa''': Some were reluctant. One even schemed to destroy life on <u>Earth</u> and usurp the planet.
:And FuSoYa goes on to talk about earthlings and Earth &mdash; I'll paste the rest of the conversation if you want. I am 99% sure this is from the PlayStation script (considering it has all the cursing and it says that it is the PlayStation script). &mdash; [[User:Warpedmirror|Warpedmirror]] 02:23, 3 August 2005 (UTC)


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== Story section too long? ==
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Does anybody else think that the story section should be shortened, or at least moved to its own article like ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'s''' was? Perhaps all characters can be mentioned in a sentence or two like in a small heading as in ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]''. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 13:35, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
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*Yeah it's definitely too long. It's like the entire story from beginning to finish. Something should be done...I just don't know what. &mdash; [[User:Warpedmirror|<span style="font:normal 12px tahoma"><font color="mediumblue">'''WARPED'''mirror</font></span>]] 02:32, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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I have an mp3 called celtic moon by enya which was supposed to be the world map music. Did she do that originally, or did enya cover Uematsu's music? If the music was originally her's you should change the music to have enya included as well as uematsu, since the world map music in this game was especially memorable.
:''[[Final Fantasy IV Celtic Moon]]'' is an arranged album, not the actual in-game soundtrack, and it wasn't performed by Enya. It was perfomed by another Irish musician, Máire Breatnach. The world map music was written by Uematsu, like all other tracks in the game. &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 11:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
::This is another P2P hoax. --[[User:JiFish|JiFish]](<sup>[[User_talk:JiFish|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JiFish|Contrib]]</sub>) 12:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


==What happened?==
== Improving the GBA version part of the article ==
Why is the plot section so incredibly long? It needs to be trimmed by at least 30 percent; there are too many trivial details. Clever, succinct writing could cut this synopsis in half. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User talk:Deckiller|er]]''' 18:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too long, but I just checked - it has 8 paragraphs now, but made FA in '06 with 9, and was kept at FAR this past summer with also 9. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 21:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


== Final Fantasy IV: The After Years ==
1UP have a preview of the final version of the game [http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=0&cId=3145957 here] and I would like for someone to integrate the info to what's already here, and maybe rewrite that section. I would do it myself, but I don't have the time right now. [[User:71.96.220.61|71.96.220.61]] 03:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:It's only about two weeks away anyway. Even if its rewritten, people will buy it and amend the section as they play and finish the game. Might as well wait until the game is released. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 17:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::13 days and 19 hours by my watch. ;) --[[User:JiFish|JiFish]](<sup>[[User_talk:JiFish|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JiFish|Contrib]]</sub>) 17:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


Why is there no mention of the Final Fantasy IV sequel in this article? It's been released in Japan for a while, and is due for a launch on Wiiware in June, I believe.
Do the previous censorship/translation issues still exist for the NA GBA version? [[User:Shawnc|Shawnc]] 08:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
:It appears not. Although, they did censor something new: [http://www.zophar.net/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=romhack&Number=277972 Final Fantasy IV Advance 'Stripper' Restoration Patch]. --[[User:JiFish|JiFish]](<sup>[[User_talk:JiFish|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JiFish|Contrib]]</sub>) 17:02, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
::Surely that's not ''new'', though, since the stripper was censored in the earlier version, as well :-) &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 18:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I never knew that. --[[User:JiFish|JiFish]](<sup>[[User_talk:JiFish|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JiFish|Contrib]]</sub>) 18:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


Seems a bit strange not to take not of it - [[Final Fantasy IV: The After Years]] - --[[User:A Chain Of Flowers|A Chain of Flowers]] ([[User talk:A Chain Of Flowers|talk]]) 07:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
== Question About Intro ==
The intro says:
:Despite popular belief, this was not the version translated into English by Square's North American subsidiary SquareSoft.
Is this correct? It looks like it was inserted during vandalism or a vandalism revert. Any time you see FF2A referenced in a magazine they claim that it's FF4J Easytype. I don't want to modify this in case I'm just one of the many who holds this to be popular belief. -'''Polkapunk''' 19 December 2005
::No, it isn't. The SNES FF2 ''was'' based on FF4 Easy Type. The only thing that came from Hard Type instead of Easy Type was Zeromus's sprite. -- [[User:Myria|Myria]] 08:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
:::According to [[List of Final Fantasy titles]], as well as everything else I've read about how the Easytype came to be, the North American version came ''before'' the Easytype version was released in Japan. Therefore the North American version cannot possibly be based on Easytype, which didn't exist yet when it was made. This is, however, contradicted by the release dates on this page. I don't at this point know which set of dates is actually correct. However, even those dates suggest to me that the two would have been developed concurrently, not serially. [[User:PurplePlatypus|PurplePlatypus]] 20:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
::::The situation is complicated further by [http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/release.shtml this], which gives yet a third release date for FF4ET. To summarize, ''this'' page says it was released on 10/19/91, the above link says 10/29/91, and [[List of Final Fantasy titles]] says it was released in "1992." I expect the final one is in error, but that still leaves the problem of the first two. In any case, I think PP makes a good point: the closeness of the release dates implies concurrent development. I think it would probably make sense to rewrite the relevant passages with something more along the lines of "''Final Fantasy II'' closely resembles ''Final Fantasy IV Easy Type''," rather than saying that one was "based on" the other, which implies a specific order of creation. &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 22:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::Good idea. "Closely resembles" is relatively easy to verify and doesn't have any problematic implications. [[User:PurplePlatypus|PurplePlatypus]] 22:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


==Stripping dancer?==
== Rating ==
I've heard rumors that the dancer in Baron strips, but only in the Japanese version due to Nintendo's censors. Can anyone check on whether or not this is true? --[[User:Nintendorulez|Nintendorulez]] &#91;&#91;User talk:Nintendorulez&#124;talk]] 00:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
:I had always thought it was the underground place in Troia. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 02:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
::No, it's the Baronian dancer. I kind of thought that this was more common knowledge, but there you go, I guess. Anyway, photographic evidence can be found [http://www.wam.umd.edu/~seandaug/FF4_stripper.png here]. It's off-site for now, but if anyone wants to upload it to Wikipedia for use in the article, be my guest. &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 04:45, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
:[[Ted Woolsey]] (the translator) is asked about this in an interview made in 1994 [http://smc.smallcave.net/woolsey/superplay.php] [[User:Masken|Masken]] 17:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:She originally appears in a dress, which she jumps out of and dances around in a bikini for a little while. So there's no full frontal nudity (you couldn't get any kind of detail with a sprite that size anyway), but it's clear that she's not exactly doing 'family entertainment.' --[[User:Sethrenn|Sethrenn]] 19:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


http://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=27768
==SomethingAweful reference==
In the beginning of the game for the Game Boy Advanced version, Cid comments: "So, how are my airships? I'll bet you and your goons wrecked them up something awful." Do you think that's an inside joke? (i.e. somethingawful.com forum posters are known as 'goons') - [[User:70.224.39.49|70.224.39.49]] 23:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


Not sure if this rating is for the SNES or NES game, but it mentions crystals and "jump" options. [[Special:Contributions/75.107.162.133|75.107.162.133]] ([[User talk:75.107.162.133|talk]]) 00:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
No, I don't. I think the chance of that is absolutely zero. Also, you'd need to check if that line is in the Playstation version, because the GBA version, unless I'm mistaken, uses the same translation as the 1997 Playstation port. - [[User:Guspaz|Guspaz]] 06:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


==ff2 re-release(wii)==
:It does not: it's been completely retranslated, and the line was different in all previous versions. This is actually not the first time I've heard the SA connection. Square translators have snuck in various injokes and references into their games before (one of the random soldier names from ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' was a clear reference to [[John Flansburgh]] of [[They Might Be Giants]]), and I've heard a professional reviewer friend of mine tell that there are a number of Square Enix employees who pay attention to the SA forums. So I'd say there's a fair chance that it is intentional. Just to be sure, though, it's not encyclopedic unless there's a citable source :-) &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 05:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay I need to ask, Has anyone seen any sources on the translation of this re-release?., I dont remember this many errors but its been some time. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.26.17|82.41.26.17]] ([[User talk:82.41.26.17|talk]]) 19:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


==Most released Final Fantasy?==
::There were actually quite a few easter eggs in the new translation, and that may very well have been one of them. Another of the more obvious references is to the website www.realultimatepower.com. [[User:WtW-Suzaku|WtW-Suzaku]] 13:49, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I could be wrong, but I think that Final Fantasy IV has had more versions and ports of it released than any other game in the series. If this can be confirmed and verified it would be worth including this fact in the "Re-releases" section.
[[Special:Contributions/86.150.163.194|86.150.163.194]] ([[User talk:86.150.163.194|talk]]) 19:12, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


== Story ==
== Story error in the Dwarf Castle ==


In the Dwarf Castle Cecil's party beats Golbez in battle but doesn't stop him from stealing the crystal there. The plot summary should reflect this. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.71.198.139|98.71.198.139]] ([[User talk:98.71.198.139|talk]]) 07:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
The story summary seems to be quite long; I'm going to trim it. [[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]] 16:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
:Got it. Nice catch. Thanks! '''[[User:The Stick Man|<span style="color:#000040;">TheStickMan</span>]]'''[[User talk:The Stick Man|<font color="000040"><sup>[✆Talk]</sup></font>]] 12:02, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
:Please do. I've been meaning to do it, but just haven't found the "right words." ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 00:16, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
::Okay; I'll try to start/finish working on it tonight. [[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]] 00:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Initial trimming is complete; I hope to get another 20-30 percent shaved off. [[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]] 01:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
:::From here on out, I could go really nazi and reduce it by like 30-40 percent more (see [[Final Fantasy IX]]), but I want to wait for some responses to make sure that it's agreed. [[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]] 01:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


== Change of logos in infobox ==
== Characters of Final Fantasy IV ==


[[Characters of Final Fantasy IV]] was merged to this article four years ago due to lack of third party sources. However, during these years there have been several new reviews owing to the release of Nintendo DS remake as well as the PSP port that also includes ''The After Years''. Moreover, Cecil, Golbez and Kain have been featured in the ''Dissidia'' games so there is room for more reception. For example Cecil has been listed by GameZone [http://www.gamezone.com/editorials/top-10-final-fantasy-characters as one the ten best Final Fantasy characters] and by GamesRadar as one of the [http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-five-best-final-fantasy-heroes/a-2010030211523859031 best ''Final Fantasy'' heroes]. Anybody agrees or disagrees in restoring the list (a bit more worked of course). Regards.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 03:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't think that the main infobox should show box art, and I'm considering changing the main infobox back to using the game's logo (and possibly adding a SNES box below for the SNES boxart), like all the other Final Fantasy articles do. The new main infobox images are not consistant with the other FF articles, which don't use boxart (Not in the main infobox anyhow). Comments? [[User:Guspaz|Guspaz]] 19:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
:Haven't looked at what the list looked like so no comments there, but "top ten" lists like that don't really add anything. You really need development specific to that character and reception specific to that character, and "top ten" lists don't really say much of anything, usually- that gamesradar link has something like a paragraph per character- most of the page is giant images. If you've got more detailed sources out there, sure, but I'd start off in a userpage and work on it there, as I doubt you're going to find a lot. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 15:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
:It's a very old debate, now. The problem is that [[WP:CVG]] guidelines are to use the box art in the infobox, and nothing else. It's been argued a number of times, but consensus has upheld this every time. There are related problems, as well: notably, there's an increasing tendency to view image galleries of copyrighted images (the way the article used to display the box art) as not permissable under [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|copyright policies]], since they generally do not provide the contextual information that is necessary to claim [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] (screenshot galleries, for instance, were removed from numerous game console articles a few months back). It also was an issue at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Final Fantasy VI|a failed attempt]] to elevate the ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' article to featured status, where a number of editors refused to support the candidacy simply because the infobox did not conform to usage guidelines. &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 23:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
::Well, then, why does an originally Japanese game display the US box art in such prominance? If you're going to show box art, it should be the original box art that is displayed largest, not a translated version. Furthermore, if the policy is to show box art and not the game logo, all the other Final Fantasy articles should be updated to remain consistent. As it stands now, this is the only FF game with box art and not the game logo, as far as I can tell. [[User:Guspaz|Guspaz]] 05:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Another something learned from the ''FFVI'' FAC: if there is only one box displayed, WP:CVG generally prefers that the North American box art be displayed. This can be confusing, because the original North American box art for this game, for example, says "Final Fantasy II," but there you are. It's my personal preference to display all (or as many examples) of the different releases as possible, because I think they're relevant, provided they're shown in the correct context (and not the image gallery of before). The reason this is the only article that I've edited in this manner so far is simply because, as I've said, this is a very old debate, and I think it makes sense to have this discussion on one article (and, particularly ''this'' article, given that it has one of the most complex release histories of any game in the series), before going whole-hog. I'm working on a new concept, though, which will hopefully look a little less messy. &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 15:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
::::And there we are. I'm rather proud of the new look, myself I'm gonna move this discussion to [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy]], as I think it has wider relevance. &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 23:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Looks outstanding, IMO. [[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]] 23:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


::Could [[Characters of Final Fantasy XII]] be used as a model in regards to the reception section? I'm not sure about creation since I have no access to information regarding the characters' designs other than what this article has. The creation section from [[Characters of Final Fantasy XIII]] only talks about Lightning while [[Characters of Final Fantasy IX]] and [[Characters of Final Fantasy VI]] lack one. I have only been working in [[Characters of Final Fantasy X and X-2]] so I'm not sure how much reception is enough for a list.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 01:21, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
== WSC version ==
:::12's is probably the best, yeah. I don't much care for character articles to begin with, despite re-GAing that one, but if you can get 4's or 10/10-2's up to that standard then they deserve articles. Don't feel bad about merging in individual character articles into the lists if you think they work better there, too. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 03:39, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


:I made a brief draft of Reception [[User talk:Tintor2/ draft|here]] using reviews that discussed the cast, voice acting and designs. Still there is more to add since I haven't checked articles about The After Years cast, but I will be busy this week. Regards.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 22:22, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
"Revamped difficulty that is different from both the original and the Easytype versions of the game"? What the hell does that mean? That doesn't even tell me whether it's easier or harder, much less anything specific enough to be useful. [[User:PurplePlatypus|PurplePlatypus]] 07:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


::Thanks for the tweaks PresN. I added a bit more, but there is not much After Years information since the reviews focus more on the storytelling since most of the sequel's cast are returning. I'll see if I can start working on the former list in the sandbox.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 02:41, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
==Peer Review Occurring Now==
Everyone who is interested in bringing this article to feature status, please consult the review page and answer as expediently as possible any critiques, the quicker we answer the critiques, the more we will get, and be very close to feature status..Thanks much! :) [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 05:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


::I have problems finding creation information. I only found two pieces of information from lead designer but nothing else. I've tried using [www.gamebrink.com/blog/2007/05/31/final-fantasy-iv-ds-interview this source] since it apparently contains informations regarding Yoshitaka Amano's work but the archiveurl is not working.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 17:27, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
==My recent edits==
I've made a number of changes to the article, some of which are extensive enough that I feel I should explain my rationale here. Firstly, I deleted the "Art" section, which was only one sentence to begin with. That sentence talked about the "darkness" of art in the game, and cited as its only reference a page that presented that opinion (where it was marked as such). I'm not convinced that that constitutes a notable trend. I also trimmed the external links section substantially, removing the video review link, since it's already linked fairly prominently in the text review from Gamespot, and all of the strategy links, on the premise that [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is neither]] GameFAQs nor a repository of links. I removed one footnote reference to a review from the "development history" section, since I couldn't for the life of me tell how it related to the section it was placed in, and added a citation to the Lost Levels article in its place. Other than that, I played around with the layout a bit, and fleshed out some of the image descriptions. If this creates any problems, feel free to revert as appropriate. &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 04:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
*Overall fantastic editing job, thanks so much. Feel free to help me attack the last of the peer review, I think this article could be nearing FAC candidacy in a hurry. :) [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 05:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


:::Try [http://web.archive.org/web/20071106081024/http://www.gamebrink.com/blog/2007/05/31/final-fantasy-iv-ds-interview this one]. Sometimes if a website mucks up a page the newest webarchive url won't have the information (like in this case, it looks like it cached a redirect to the main page of the blog) but the oldest archive has the original information. Note that they link to the original famitsu interview, so you might cite that instead as I'm not sure this source is 100% fine. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 19:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
==Detailed information==
This info would be suitable for another section or entries on the elemental bosses elsewhere: "On the mountain he fights one of the four Elemental Lords, who share names with the four demons in Canto 21 of [[The Divine Comedy|Dante's ''Inferno'']]. Scarmiglione, Cagnazzo, Barbariccia, and Rubicante are the elemental fiends, and the enemy Calcobrena also appears to draw its name from the same passage." [[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]] 02:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
:Should we remove the ending information? That would bring the story section to five paragraphs, a reasonable length. [[User:Deckiller|Deckiller]] 02:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


== Going platinum? ==
==FA?==


A curiosity: why isn't this article a FA anymore? What should be done to regain that status?--[[User:Prima.philosophia|<span style="font-family:Calibri;"><span style="color: #FFD700; background: #4B0082;">Prima.philosophia</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Prima.philosophia|D]].[[Special:Contributions/Prima.philosophia|C]]</sup></span> 08:21, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Two recent edits with comments about "box office receipts" added info about the game "going platinum" in Japan. I'm quite certain that the term "box office" only refers to public performance such as movies, plays, concerts, etc. But that isn't the issue, since that was just the comment.
:I still want to know... --[[User:Prima.philosophia|<span style="font-family:Calibri;"><span style="color: #FFD700; background: #4B0082;">Prima.philosophia</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Prima.philosophia|D]].[[Special:Contributions/Prima.philosophia|C]]</sup></span> 04:33, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


==Music albums released in Japan==
The statement that I find questionable is about the game going platinum. I was under the impression that this term only applied to music albums. Can it also be applied to videogames? I'm tempted to say the editor is wrong just because of the incorrect comments, but I want some confirmation before I reword the sentence in question.
About the sentence: ''"Three albums of music from Final Fantasy IV have been released in Japan"'' (it talks about Final Fantasy IV: Original Sound Version, Final Fantasy IV: Celtic Moon, Final Fantasy IV Piano Collections).
:Sounds like someone's idea of a joke. "Going gold" is a term used in the software industry, but with a completely different meaning than in the music industry (it means the version that will be released commercially is ready); I've never heard of a videogame "going platinum". [[User:PurplePlatypus|PurplePlatypus]] 21:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC) (By the way, sign your posts with four tilde (~) characters.)
::Wups, I usually remember, thanks for reminding me. I'll remove the statements in question. [[User:Guspaz|Guspaz]] 05:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


Shouldn't we add [[Music of Final Fantasy IV#Final Fantasy IV Minimum Album]]?
== Broken GBA version box ==
And what about "Final Fantasy IV Original Soundtrack" (FFIV DS) and "Final Fantasy Finest Box" (which includes the soundtrack of FFIV advance)?--[[User:Prima.philosophia|<span style="font-family:Calibri;"><span style="color: #FFD700; background: #4B0082;">Prima.philosophia</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Prima.philosophia|D]].[[Special:Contributions/Prima.philosophia|C]]</sup></span> 04:33, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


Has anybody else noticed that the GBA version box is horribly broken?


==Japanese Easytype release date==
[http://suprfile.com/get.php?id=13ytslv See this screenshot taken with Firefox 1.5.0.3]
Does anyone know the japanese FFIV Easytype release date? I can't find this information. --[[User:Prima.philosophia|<span style="font-family:Calibri;"><span style="color: #FFD700; background: #4B0082;">Prima.philosophia</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Prima.philosophia|D]].[[Special:Contributions/Prima.philosophia|C]]</sup></span> 21:49, 1 March 2013 (UTC)


== SPOILERS Reviving dead characters ==
Not only does it overflow into the next two sections, but it overlaps the text above it and to the side in the references section. The problem seems to be that the Wonderswan version box is pushing the GBA one down. I've tried to fix it, but I have no idea how.


I've read that there was an item called "God's eye" where you can revive Palom and Porom which was taken out for religious reasons. There is a picture to back it up but can't find any info anywhere.
== Character description redundancies? ==


I notice that all of the playable characters have individual pages dedicated to them, and that there'a *also* a page entitled "List of Final Fantasy IV characters" that basically repeats a lot of the information given on the main character pages. Is it necessary to have this redundancy? --[[User:Sethrenn|Sethrenn]] 19:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


http://oi48.tinypic.com/vovpn8.jpg
==1up.com==
Is that site considered reliable like IGN? Or should that be replaced? [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 16:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
:I personally think that it's fine. 1UP is owned by Ziff Davis, a well-known company. — [[User:TKD|TKD]]::[[User talk:TKD|Talk]] 16:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


==Story expansion==
If anything, the plot needs to be REDUCED in size, as it is larger than 4 paragraphs. [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 22:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


:: "Judge Surreal", the version you continue to revert to is full of extreme inaccuracies in the plot- everything from the insinuation that Rosa is with the initial party to the statement about "legions" of dark knights to the claim that the town fire is what knocks out the players and that Cecil alone is the one who encounters Rydia. As was said before, while brevity may be important, it's more important that we be accurate when we write on Wikipedia. --[[Image:Tinyducksig.jpg|20px]] [[user:Doom127|Daniel Davis]] 22:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


You can also find it under Zoser's post here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Final-Fantasy-IV/63811041921 It's under "Recent Posts by Others on Final Fantasy IV" <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SillyGayBoy|SillyGayBoy]] ([[User talk:SillyGayBoy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SillyGayBoy|contribs]]) 18:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::: By all means rewrite it, you are totally right. But I would ask you to please write short one, no more than 4-5 paragraphs, because I want to get this article to Featured Article Status, and from experience with Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith and other articles, they will ask it to be chopped down to 4-5 large paragraphs.(see [[Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith|Revenge of the Sith]] article for model) [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 22:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
:Pictures can be faked. You need a better source than some random Facebook fan page. '''[[User:The Stick Man|<span style="color:#0000DD;">TheStickMan</span>]]'''[[User talk:The Stick Man|<font color="0000DD"><sup>[✆Talk]</sup></font>]] 18:37, 18 October 2013 (UTC)


== Living Dolls' Music ==
::::: FFIV's plot is intricate and complex, spanning the course of close to hundred hours of gameplay. While another might feel that it can be cropped for brevity, we must take specific care to ensure that the summary remains accurate after the crop, instead of rearranging facts and events that occur during the course of the storyline. That, for the most part, means the essential plot points need to remain. Note that no mention of the Land of Monsters, Edge's parental lineage, the Dark Elf of Troia, the rides aboard various Chocobos and much of Cid's involvement in the games are within the the summary. It is exceedingly cropped as it is, with only the bare essential plot points covered. --[[Image:Tinyducksig.jpg|20px]] [[user:Doom127|Daniel Davis]] 22:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


During the introduction of the living dolls in the dwarven castle, the music that plays shares similarities with the Puppet Master movie series main theme.
::::::"Close to 100 hours"? Are you serious? I've finished it, missing nothing of significance except the Pink Puff stuff, in under 20; even my first play-through was less than 30. Yet all over the 'net I see people claim that KotOR is 70 hours or FFIV is 40 (or now 100!), and all I can think is "can these people really be that bad at RPGs?". [[User:PurplePlatypus|PurplePlatypus]] 10:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_daHGcGBTQ [[Special:Contributions/67.213.78.10|67.213.78.10]] ([[User talk:67.213.78.10|talk]]) 23:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, but please see [[WP:OR]]. '''[[User:The Stick Man|<span style="color:#0000DD;">TheStickMan</span>]]'''[[User talk:The Stick Man|<font color="0000DD"><sup>[✆Talk]</sup></font>]] 07:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


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::::::: It has nothing to do with "being good" at a game- some of us just like to savor the experience of the title instead of rushing through it and skipping Pink Puffs. Besides that, your comment seems to have little to do with the subject at hand; I must remind you that [[Wiki:Wikipedia_is_not| Wikipedia is not a social networking site]]. Try to keep it on topic please. --[[Image:Tinyducksig.jpg|20px]] [[user:Doom127|Daniel Davis]] 11:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


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::::::::The story must remain 4-5 paragraphs, so please stop expanding it to huge amounts, once it gets renominated for FAC, they will insist it is cut down to that level, so dont waste your time writing every detail. [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 15:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


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::::::::: And if it DOES get renominated, they'll have huge problems with major factual parts of the plot being just plain wrong, as was in the version you just reverted to. If you want to crop it, you are free to do that, but don't crop it in a way that it makes facts of the game wrong- as was said before. --[[Image:Tinyducksig.jpg|20px]] [[user:Doom127|Daniel Davis]] 17:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
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::::::::::I do not understand why you guys, who seem to know the plot so well, cant just trash the story description as written and rewrite it from scratch accurately in 4-5 large paragraphs? [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] Alright, now it's looking better, this is a good length I think, though it could be trimmed a little [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 18:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


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== Caller Summons names in US versus JP ==


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Were the summons Indra & Jinn of the SNES US version (labeled FF2) named Indra & Jinn in the Japanese & Playstation remake versions? or Ramuh & Ifrit as they appear in every other Final Fantasy? [[User:67.5.157.96|67.5.157.96]] 20:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, they were called Ramuh and Ifrit in the Japanese version and were corrected for the PlayStation and Game Boy Advance US versions. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 22:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


== What happened? ==
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The story section has bloated to twice its old length since that major push earlier in the year. In the words of Jack Bauer: "I think I'm going to need a hacksaw". &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 04:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
*yeah, people kept coming and adding stuff...maybe you could just dig out the older shorter one. :) [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 04:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
**I will do just that, because the way it was written, the side plots weren't intergrated into the summary (making it shorter and it'll be easier to copyedit without continuity errors). &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 04:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
* Granted, I think the shortened version leaves many of the subplots out, but we can add a few back in if necessary. I don't even think we need to mention the elementals. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 05:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
: Careful with that hacksaw, Deckiller. Even with the shortening, we have to keep the story section accurate, along with brevity. [[User:Ex-Nintendo Employee|Ex-Nintendo Employee]] 05:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


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== The next step ==


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It seems that we've each been delegated a game to push. I'm delegated this game. I could use some help in rewriting it. Some tasks include rewriting the plot (which I've begun), updating the images to reflect current policy, and add refs. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 22:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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:What is current image policy? [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 23:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
::Look at the FFVI images and notice their licensing and Fair Use Rationales for some examples. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 02:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


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Is the plot rewrite done? I'm going to copyedit this article, but I'll hold off if it is unfinished. It's been seven months since I last played the game, and unlike Chrono Trigger or Cross, I can't recite it off the top of my head. --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 03:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:Not quite. Almost, though. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 18:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
::Okay. Let me know when you've completed it, and it'll be time to put the passion of youth into this sucker. --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 16:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
:::It's finished. Now we just need to reference the hell out of this sucker and improve the prose. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 20:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::::I'm finished with the references. Now someone has to revies my prose. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 00:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:I just copyeditted most of the article. I see plenty of game script citations but not enough from outside sources. I can understand if those are hard to find though. However, I'm really not a fan of the stubby Gameplay, Development and Reception sections. If there's any way at all to expand them, please do. See some of the other featured Final Fantasy articles for examples. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 16:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::I took care of your reference requests. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 19:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Great work guys. Please see the to do box above, since there are a bunch of other things to do before we can submit for FA. [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 22:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::I too feel like there are too many references from the game script, a total of 51 quotes to be exact. The problem might lie in the extensive citing of single story points; for example, there are 4 quotes for the Mysidians that treat Cecil harshly when he arrives when only 2 would probably suffice. The reader might not need convincing for objective material, like "The twin wizards Palom and Porom accompany him" or "Giott tells Cecil of the Lunar Whale." ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 00:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:::You can never have too many quotes. FFVII has a whopping 127 references. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 00:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, but only 23 out of 137 of them are quotes. A majority of those citations come from outside sources. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 01:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


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The gameplay section is still a little stubby. What made Chrono Trigger a walk in the park was a Nintendo Power preview / review in Epic Center, which we cited several times. The review also allowed us to make certain statements that, uncited, would be POV (like Chrono Trigger's status as a groundbreaking game, etc). So if someone has:


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Hello fellow Wikipedians,
Scan that sucker's coverage of FF4 and we'll have a smashing source. --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 00:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:Well, I don't have it. Is there a place to get old NPs online? '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 00:58, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I think we're in great luck. I found a giant torrent of old Nintendo Powers released by Retromags. This is going to be fun. --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 01:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC) Edit: Naturally, the torrent is dead in the water. I'm going to post on the Retromags forum. --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 01:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:[http://ff4.paladinet.com/chronicle/images/NP/pages/np001.html This] appears to only have character information cut out of the pages. I'll keep searching. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 01:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


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I noticed the article uses [[French spacing]]. I've been uh...removing it as I copyedit. This is okay, right? --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 02:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:Is French spacing against policy? The only reason I do it is because I always thought it was gramatically correct to do so, or at least that's what I've been <s>brainwashed to do</s> taught. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 05:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
::French spacing doesn't even appear in the article once the page has been saved. For example, I'll put ten spaces between those two words and it will still show up as one. It just wastes character space. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 15:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


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==Our goal==
Have this ready for peer review by next Sunday. I want this on the main page November 23 to celebrate its fifteenth anniversary. '''[[User:Crazyswordsman|<font color="orange">Sir Crazyswordsman</font>]]''' 05:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:Is there a site comparable to the Chrono Compendium for Final Fantasy IV? With the Chrono series, I had the advantage of a central archive of all out-of-universe info. Is there a similar trivia master out there for this game? I'm thinking about posting at such a place and requesting they check over the article for overlooked, important information (I'll warn them about fancruft first). --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 15:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


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==Standardizing names==


== Re-releases ==
We should decide which version's names to use for consistency. For instance, we're using both Milon and Rubicante for the Four Fiends, but those names come from different versions of the game. Perhaps the name of characters in the upcoming remake will be the best canon to follow --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 16:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:You mean the ''recent'' remake? (there isn't ''another'' one coming out, is there…?) The invisible notice on the character page says to use the most recent release's names. So Scarmiglione and Rubicante in this case.—[[User:Urutapu|ウルタプ]] 18:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
::Okay. I'll change em; thanks. --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 18:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


Page does not mention the PSOne Classic in Japan or the SNES and GBA versions being on the Wii U Virtual Console. [[User:Brayden96|Brayden96]] ([[User talk:Brayden96|talk]]) 02:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


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Why did Square use the Easytype instead of the original? --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 18:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:I have nothing to back this up but I do know that many games from that era were "easy-moded" when bringing them over to America because they felt that they would be "too hard" for a US audience. In fact, this still happens in games like [[Fire Emblem]]. BTW, nice boxes for the versions and rereleases section. I like it a lot. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] 23:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::I was going to use [http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/faqs/ff4versions.txt this source] for some of the original/Easytype/US changes, and it states that the US version was based on the Easytype, but it doesn't state why. Axem's probably right, but there needs to be a solid reference. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 00:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I understand. The "English port is unknown" is what threw me, and then it said the high difficulty level was unchanged for the English release (when in actuality it was made easy, thus the easytype!). It's a weird sentence. --[[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 03:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


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*The difficulty balance was also different from either the Easytype or Super Famicom versions.


== 2011 interview ==
This statement references: http://www.mobygames.com/game/wonderswan-color/final-fantasy-iv


I found the [http://www.gamesradar.com/takashi-tokita-on-the-legacy-of-final-fantasy-iv/ GamesRadar interview] with [[Takashi Tokita]]. This source can be useful to improve this article. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 11:14, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
But I'm not finding anything there to substantiate this. If someone wants to investigate...


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That's for the GBA remake. However, earlier on it is stated that the WonderSwan's music was actually downsampled. Does this mean the GBA remake upsampled it again? Because that would only mean the music is restored to its original state, not enhanced in the grand scheme of things.
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What happened?[edit]

Why is the plot section so incredibly long? It needs to be trimmed by at least 30 percent; there are too many trivial details. Clever, succinct writing could cut this synopsis in half. — Deckiller 18:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's way too long, but I just checked - it has 8 paragraphs now, but made FA in '06 with 9, and was kept at FAR this past summer with also 9. --PresN 21:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Final Fantasy IV: The After Years[edit]

Why is there no mention of the Final Fantasy IV sequel in this article? It's been released in Japan for a while, and is due for a launch on Wiiware in June, I believe.

Seems a bit strange not to take not of it - Final Fantasy IV: The After Years - --A Chain of Flowers (talk) 07:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rating[edit]

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=27768

Not sure if this rating is for the SNES or NES game, but it mentions crystals and "jump" options. 75.107.162.133 (talk) 00:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ff2 re-release(wii)[edit]

Okay I need to ask, Has anyone seen any sources on the translation of this re-release?., I dont remember this many errors but its been some time. 82.41.26.17 (talk) 19:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most released Final Fantasy?[edit]

I could be wrong, but I think that Final Fantasy IV has had more versions and ports of it released than any other game in the series. If this can be confirmed and verified it would be worth including this fact in the "Re-releases" section. 86.150.163.194 (talk) 19:12, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Story error in the Dwarf Castle[edit]

In the Dwarf Castle Cecil's party beats Golbez in battle but doesn't stop him from stealing the crystal there. The plot summary should reflect this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.198.139 (talk) 07:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Nice catch. Thanks! TheStickMan[✆Talk] 12:02, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Characters of Final Fantasy IV[edit]

Characters of Final Fantasy IV was merged to this article four years ago due to lack of third party sources. However, during these years there have been several new reviews owing to the release of Nintendo DS remake as well as the PSP port that also includes The After Years. Moreover, Cecil, Golbez and Kain have been featured in the Dissidia games so there is room for more reception. For example Cecil has been listed by GameZone as one the ten best Final Fantasy characters and by GamesRadar as one of the best Final Fantasy heroes. Anybody agrees or disagrees in restoring the list (a bit more worked of course). Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 03:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't looked at what the list looked like so no comments there, but "top ten" lists like that don't really add anything. You really need development specific to that character and reception specific to that character, and "top ten" lists don't really say much of anything, usually- that gamesradar link has something like a paragraph per character- most of the page is giant images. If you've got more detailed sources out there, sure, but I'd start off in a userpage and work on it there, as I doubt you're going to find a lot. --PresN 15:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Could Characters of Final Fantasy XII be used as a model in regards to the reception section? I'm not sure about creation since I have no access to information regarding the characters' designs other than what this article has. The creation section from Characters of Final Fantasy XIII only talks about Lightning while Characters of Final Fantasy IX and Characters of Final Fantasy VI lack one. I have only been working in Characters of Final Fantasy X and X-2 so I'm not sure how much reception is enough for a list.Tintor2 (talk) 01:21, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
12's is probably the best, yeah. I don't much care for character articles to begin with, despite re-GAing that one, but if you can get 4's or 10/10-2's up to that standard then they deserve articles. Don't feel bad about merging in individual character articles into the lists if you think they work better there, too. --PresN 03:39, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I made a brief draft of Reception here using reviews that discussed the cast, voice acting and designs. Still there is more to add since I haven't checked articles about The After Years cast, but I will be busy this week. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 22:22, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the tweaks PresN. I added a bit more, but there is not much After Years information since the reviews focus more on the storytelling since most of the sequel's cast are returning. I'll see if I can start working on the former list in the sandbox.Tintor2 (talk) 02:41, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have problems finding creation information. I only found two pieces of information from lead designer but nothing else. I've tried using [www.gamebrink.com/blog/2007/05/31/final-fantasy-iv-ds-interview this source] since it apparently contains informations regarding Yoshitaka Amano's work but the archiveurl is not working.Tintor2 (talk) 17:27, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Try this one. Sometimes if a website mucks up a page the newest webarchive url won't have the information (like in this case, it looks like it cached a redirect to the main page of the blog) but the oldest archive has the original information. Note that they link to the original famitsu interview, so you might cite that instead as I'm not sure this source is 100% fine. --PresN 19:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

FA?[edit]

A curiosity: why isn't this article a FA anymore? What should be done to regain that status?--Prima.philosophiaD.C 08:21, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I still want to know... --Prima.philosophiaD.C 04:33, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Music albums released in Japan[edit]

About the sentence: "Three albums of music from Final Fantasy IV have been released in Japan" (it talks about Final Fantasy IV: Original Sound Version, Final Fantasy IV: Celtic Moon, Final Fantasy IV Piano Collections).

Shouldn't we add Music of Final Fantasy IV#Final Fantasy IV Minimum Album? And what about "Final Fantasy IV Original Soundtrack" (FFIV DS) and "Final Fantasy Finest Box" (which includes the soundtrack of FFIV advance)?--Prima.philosophiaD.C 04:33, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Japanese Easytype release date[edit]

Does anyone know the japanese FFIV Easytype release date? I can't find this information. --Prima.philosophiaD.C 21:49, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SPOILERS Reviving dead characters[edit]

I've read that there was an item called "God's eye" where you can revive Palom and Porom which was taken out for religious reasons. There is a picture to back it up but can't find any info anywhere.


http://oi48.tinypic.com/vovpn8.jpg


You can also find it under Zoser's post here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Final-Fantasy-IV/63811041921 It's under "Recent Posts by Others on Final Fantasy IV" — Preceding unsigned comment added by SillyGayBoy (talk • contribs) 18:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures can be faked. You need a better source than some random Facebook fan page. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 18:37, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Living Dolls' Music[edit]

During the introduction of the living dolls in the dwarven castle, the music that plays shares similarities with the Puppet Master movie series main theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_daHGcGBTQ 67.213.78.10 (talk) 23:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but please see WP:OR. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 07:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Page does not mention the PSOne Classic in Japan or the SNES and GBA versions being on the Wii U Virtual Console. Brayden96 (talk) 02:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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2011 interview[edit]

I found the GamesRadar interview with Takashi Tokita. This source can be useful to improve this article. --George Ho (talk) 11:14, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"it is considered to be one of the greatest video games of all time and one of the most important and influential games in the role-playing genre."[edit]

Why does the article link to the greatest video games of all time list? the list doesn't even contain FF IV — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vithias (talk • contribs) 02:49, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eh well it doesn't need to be listed in the target but I removed the link. TarkusABtalk 09:58, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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