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Alec John Such's page was a redirect to Bon Jovi, until his unfortunate death. While a few obituary pieces came out, this does not make AJS notable enough for his own page. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 22:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Alec John Such's page was a redirect to Bon Jovi, until his unfortunate death. While a few obituary pieces came out, this does not make AJS notable enough for his own page. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 22:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' He was a founding member and is inducted as such into the Rock Hall. I consider Such notable on his own. [[User:Rusted AutoParts|<span style="font-family:Rockwell; color:red"><i>Rusted AutoParts</i></span>]] 00:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' He was a founding member and is inducted as such into the Rock Hall. I consider Such notable on his own. [[User:Rusted AutoParts|<span style="font-family:Rockwell; color:red"><i>Rusted AutoParts</i></span>]] 00:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' The article features enough sources to establish independent notability in addition to Such's Rock Hall induction. [[User:Sparkysilverfish|Sparkysilverfish]] ([[User talk:Sparkysilverfish|talk]]) 01:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' The article features enough sources to establish independent notability in addition to Such's Rock Hall induction. In addition, the page being initially redirected into Bon Jovi was not as a result of lack of notability, but the fact the original incarnation of the article from 2015 or so lacked any sources at all. This issue is now fixed with the new version. [[User:Sparkysilverfish|Sparkysilverfish]] ([[User talk:Sparkysilverfish|talk]]) 01:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

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Comments and questions

1. "Following a second hiatus, their 2000 album Crush, particularly the lead single, "It's My Life", successfully introduced the band to a younger audience."

The first hiatus was never mentioned.

2. " In March 1983, Bon Jovi called David Bryan, who in turn called bassist Alec John Such and an experienced drummer named Tico Torres, both formerly of the band Phantom's Opera."

Who is "both"? Alec and John, John and Tico, Alec and Tico?

3. "They visited 37 countries, performed 177 shows and seen them play to 2.5 million fans on the Keep the Faith Tour/I'll Sleep When I'm Dead Tour."

I don't understand the usage of "seen them play" and the sentence sounds weird.

4. My recollection of the exit of Alec John Such from a video I have seen years ago was that John and Richie hinted about a dismissal of Alec due to the fact he said something they did like. I clearly remember a comment they made that included the expression "public laundry". My recollection is that Alec said something that John and Richie did not like so Alec ultimately got fired. This article tells a different story. It sounds like Alec left but I think he was fired.

5. "So far the tour has played to 1,909,234 fans and has grossed $201.1 million from more than 80 venues reported to Pollstar."

"So far" is no longer actual. It must be updated.

6. "£790 million dollars"?

Is it pounds or dollars? Correct as necessary.

7. "On April 29, 2018, the band performed at the BMO Harris Bradley Center, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, as the last ticketed event at the venue before the start of demolition in the summer of 2018."

Demolition of what? Clearly, it's the venue. Rewrite as necessary.

8. The "Solo projects" section does not only talk about solo projects. There is more than that. The section should be relabeled to "Solo projects and more" or something similar.

9. The "Musical style" section mentions glam metal, hard rock and pop-metal. As somebody who knows Bon Jovi well, particularly for the period 1984-1995, I must say that the style is certainly hard rock, maybe a little glam metal but mostly for the looks rather than for the music (Ratt and Poison are by all means more glam metal bands). Bon Jovi, except for a few songs, is definitely not primarily a metal band and "pop-metal" is just another label for glam metal.

ICE77 (talk) 06:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Number 9 is pure opinion, we stick to what the majority of sources say, not what we personally think. I agree with most of the other stuff, but my question is why did you even post this on the talk page, when you could simply fix the mistakes yourself? Category adder :D (talk) 06:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

9. I would like to see what the majority of professional and unbiased sources uses as classification. Mine is not an opinion but a classification based on years and years of playing/listening hard rock, glam metal and other types of metal.

I often make modifications to Wikipedia articles that needs to be obviously made while I leave comments for things that require feedback. I could make a change to the classification but some things need a common consensus based on facts and documentation. I am not saying pop-metal is incorrect. I am just saying that it's equivalent to glam metal.

ICE77 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request: First paragraph

First paragraph says The band have been credited with "[bridging] the gap between heavy metal and pop with style and ease."

Assuming the text bridging is supposed to be a wikilink to an article, it needs some work. 2601:CF:300:4B70:3C63:3B97:9421:7DB2 (talk) 20:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Two minor mistakes/corrections

- In the last paragraph of the introduction it says "Bon Jovi has released 16 studio albums, five compilations and three live albums." 16 is wrong, it should be 15.

- In the sections "Burning Bridges and This House Is Not for Sale (2015–2018)" (third paragraph) it says "In November 4, 2016, the band officially released their 13th studio album, This House Is Not for Sale …" "This House Is Not for Sale" is the 14th studio album, not the 13th one (that is "Burning Bridges") – according to the discography below as well.

Could somebody fix this? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:D8:571F:7213:9C34:8136:C161:DC29 (talk) 18:32, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge of Alec John Such into Bon Jovi

Alec John Such's page was a redirect to Bon Jovi, until his unfortunate death. While a few obituary pieces came out, this does not make AJS notable enough for his own page. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disagree He was a founding member and is inducted as such into the Rock Hall. I consider Such notable on his own. Rusted AutoParts 00:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree The article features enough sources to establish independent notability in addition to Such's Rock Hall induction. In addition, the page being initially redirected into Bon Jovi was not as a result of lack of notability, but the fact the original incarnation of the article from 2015 or so lacked any sources at all. This issue is now fixed with the new version. Sparkysilverfish (talk) 01:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]