Talk:Ted Nugent

Sandra Janowski

I can find no corroborating source indicating that he first began dating his wife Sandra Janowski when she was 13 years of age. The cited sources make no such mention, although they corroborate other details such as her cause of death, et cetera. All other findings on Google either directly mirror Wikipedia content or trace their citations back to this article, creating a nice circular trail of breadcrumbs, and making this article the apparently original source. Furthermore, it seems highly unlikely that this could be proven fact and yet he would escape investigation or prosecution, or that such a controversial detail would not be mentioned anywhere else that is reputable. I think this is likely FUD, and should be edited to remove the age unless it can be confirmed with a reputable source or public records. Otherwise this definitely qualifies as poorly sourced, controversial, and libelous. - Tolstoy143 Quos vult perdere dementat 04:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed my 'disputed' tag following an edit that seemingly clarifies the issue. However, I still do not consider IMDB bios as a solidly credible source. - Tolstoy143 Quos vult perdere dementat 06:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

draft dodge hoax

"Later, he became quite controversial for his right-wing beliefs and his anti-drug and anti-alcohol stance, making him virtually unique among professional musicians."

There are plenty of professional musicians who are controversial, right-wing, anti-drug and/or anti-alcohol; nothing unique here. Unless you are saying that he is unique among professional musicians for becoming controversial for these particular views (a debatable point in itself), I would suggest simply ending the sentence after "stance."

JHCC

Why is the false draft story continually reinserted? The interview was a parody in "High Times".

Was Ted Nugent a draft dodger. Is this section true?

Nugent dodged the draft during the Vietnam War. In an interview for the Detroit Free Press (July 15, 1990), Nugent described how he avoided the draft: He claims that 30 days before his Draft Board Physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last ten days he ingested nothing but junk food and Pepsi, and a week before his physical he stopped using the bathroom altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with excrement and stained by his urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says. His quote: “ but if I would have gone over there, I’d have been killed, or I’d have killed, , or I’d have killed all the Hippies in the foxholes… I would have killed everybody.”

Was this a parody from High Times or not?--Seanor 18:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Looked this up and then hit his site [[1]] and it mentions this at the beginning and he talks about this is not at all what happend. So taking it out since it was refuted by source. At their own website.--Xiahou 02:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Sectionalize

This article needs sections. Please sectionalize, its quite rough on the eyes as is. Redwolf24 1 July 2005 23:31 (UTC)

Actually, this article has way too many sections as it is. Please condense. Mcfly85 03:56, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

I think there should be a section about the teenaged Vietnamese girl he married and fornicated with earlier in his career, I believe in the early 1980's. I saw it on VH1's behind the music, and Nugent admitted to it, so I believe it to be true. I feel that it provides an interesting contrast to his statments about child molesters. [e.stebbins, November 21 2006]

Bison Picture

Is this caption really appropriate? I'm guessing the person who wrote this was a supporter? And the other is even worse. No, my problem isn't the use of "ass", it's just the whole concept. --Jammoe 01:26, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup

No offense gang, but this article is a mess. Chunks of the subjects life are covered under topics like "controversies" and "trivia". It'd be much better if the section headers were "1970s", "1980s", "1990s", etc. Put each event in its place and don't prejudge whether it's trivial or controversial. -Willmcw 11:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Travis who?

Who in the world is Travis Whipple? Where did you get that information? As I have always known, his second guitarist during his early solo years (1975-1978) was Derek St. Holmes www.derekstholmes.com. Not only did he sing most songs on TED NUGENT, but he also sang on FREE FOR ALL, along with Meatloaf. Then again on CAT SCRATCH FEVER. About this time Derek made an album with Aerosmiths' Brad Whitford.

This article spends more time on Ted Nugent the rightwing hunter than on his music. I suppose currently that is where he gets most of his press, but there was a time when he was one of the biggest concert sellers around.

Surviving Nugent 2 contestant injury

This is probably a spoiler for those who haven't seen the show, so stop reading now if you don't want to know, but the guy who was injured by the car in the stunt was a stuntman hired and and planted as a contestant to specifically to make it look like he got hurt by a car to demoralize the other contestants. This was explained in the final episode when they brought him back on. -Dawson 05:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Alcohol

In the mid-1980s, in an interview with Charlie Rose on CBS News Nightwatch, Nugent said he only got drunk as a teen and had abstained from alcohol ever since.

But at the 1998 NRA convention in Philadephia, he said (right after a special panel discussion on media relations) that he had recently started to have African wines with his dinners.

Are there any definitive quotes, interviews, etc. regarding Nugent's life experience and habits involving alcohol?72.82.167.164 08:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I saw one interview, which may have been the same one, where he said he tried beer once as a teen, and hated the taste. The gist of that interview was that he did not get drunk, but only took a couple swigs and decided he hated it. Sorry but I don't have enough information to name the source.JeffStickney 20:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

controversies

needs to be completely re-written. 24.85.151.149 21:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Any particular reason why? simply tagging it as disputed when then has been no real previous disputes...of any merit...is more akin to trolling than to trying to contribute in any kind of positive way. Unless there is some sort of point trying to be made where no concensus can be reached....the tag is not required. I will post on the Wikipedia Guitarist project for their input since this article falls under their field of interest. 142.166.239.76 21:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with 24.85.151.149: this is one of the most poorly-written biographies that I've encountered of a major figure. It is badly organized, contains grammatical mistakes, has an excessively long trivia section, etc. Someone who is familiar with the subject should give this article a major overhaul. -Will Beback 01:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

There are huge problems with much of the content of this section. Things like the "supposed" comments about foreigners are not verifiable. It's issues like this that make much of Ted's bio in violation of WIKI's methodology. I agree...This desperately needs to be cleaned up.

Wikiquotes

Wikiquotes has a short (almost stub) page of Ted's quotes. A lot of his quotes could be moved off of this page's Trivia and Controversy sections and put onto Wikiquote. That would both clean up this article and improve the wikiquote one. Also I can't find any mention of his deafness on this page.JeffStickney 00:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Controversies

Maybe something could be added to "controversies" about his psuedo-knowledge of the outdoors. I recall one episode on his reality show where he buried some people up to their necks in wet mud. Did anyone else see this? If I remember correctly, he stood there, as they were shivering uncontrollably, remarking about how important preventing hypothermia was or something. Firstly, the shivering was a sign that hypothermia was already setting in but the fact that their bodies and movement weren't visible makes identifying the stage difficult. However it's pretty simple. Cold + wet + submerged in mud = hypothermia. I hope it was the editing, but it seemed very foolish. InSpades 01:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

NRA board service

I have checked the entire NRA website, and found several references to his entertaining, but only one reference to his NRA board service. I edited that sentence and inserted a ref. See my edits to Hunting license for my bona fides. Bearian 17:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleted paragraph pending tidying up

Although there is much here which is not clear, because of the totally unclear syntax, I have deleted the following paragraph from the Organization Membership section:

Although he holds libertarian beliefs Second Amendment rights, Nugent has been outspoken in his contempt for drug abuse and drug abusers, stating that his "level of awareness" is what compelled him to "turn down the drooling, puking, dying punks with their drugs and their alcohol and tobacco," claiming to "have busted more hippies' noses than all the narcs in the free world. I hate drug abuse."

I have no objection to it being put back once it has been tidied up. Please.

Suggestion to all: the trivia section and personal life is far greater than the data referring to his professional life. Is there any way we could have a main page for the artist and a linked sub-section containing trivia, etc. By way of example - I think Picasso was a great artist but I'm not especially interested in how many women, men or whatever he may have had sexual relationships with. The main page could then be considered as a major wiki contribution to spreading culture, whereas the trivia sub-section link could be a general free-for-all - within the limits established by Wikipedia, of course. 83.180.165.94 15:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

canada

"Regarding NRA

An avid hunter, Ted Nugent was a frequent visitor to Canada until the government of Ontario cancelled the spring black bear hunt in 1999. Upset that he could not participate in the hunt, Nugent vowed to never return to Canada.[citation needed] Canada declared a national holiday in celebration of this announcement. An outspoken advocate of hunting and gun ownership rights and owner of 350 guns, Nugent has served since 1995 on the board of directors of the National Rifle Association (NRA)."

For some reason I doubt that in Canada we have a "Ted Nugent isn't coming back" holiday. Just doesn't have the right ring. I could be wrong though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.39.209.193 (talk) 00:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Draft Dodging

Nugent may not have dodged the Vietnam draft in the manner described in his High Times article. But the fact that he avoided a war he supported (he took a student deferment to attend community college) is relevant here, as Nugent historically has been a proponent of US military intervention and staunchly pro-firearms. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.62.147.253 (talk) 03:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

The phenomenon of people supporting for others what they avoid for themselves is not new. 68.155.16.152 01:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure you could find examples of people who used the student deferement and then later went to war. Maybe he just wanted to be educated before fighting? --Gbleem 10:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

very unlikely that Nugent would have passed the induction physical due to hearing loss from rock music and gunfire.

Classic rock or rock

Very many of Nugent's albums has classic rock and rock in their genre. Only 3 of his albums has hard rock. I will put classic rock into the genre of Ted Nugent article. If you think that it's not right, then take it off...

Classic rock is a radio format not a music genre. 156.34.142.110 19:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Then why Cat scratch fever has classic rock in genre?

Because someone who hasn't got 2 clues about music has stuck it in there and no one has had the time to go in correct it. 156.34.142.110 20:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The Hawaiian Girl

As it last appeared,

When Nugent turned 30, in 1978, he began a relationship with a 17-year old Hawaiian girl, Pele Massa, and became her legal guardian to comply with laws pertaining to relationships with minors.[2] This was covered in VH1's 1998 Behind the Music featuring Nugent, and included an interview with Massa.

Removed by Doc glasgow citing WP:BLP. Is the VH1 programme interviewing the girl not a reliable source or was improperly cited?—Dwmg 01:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Nugent hosts a television program about Hunting

Ted Nugent hosts a television show about hunting on the The Outdoor Channel called Spirit of the Wild. This should be included somewhere in the article

show info on The Outdoor Channel official site: http://www.outdoorchannel.com/showinfo.cfm?site=1&ShowID=47

show info on Ted Nugent's official site: http://www.tednugent.com/hunting/spiritWild/

65.241.157.2 23:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding animal rights

The use of "canned hunt facility" is an unfair and inaccurate labeling of his ranch. It assumes tame, caged animals turned loose for the gun; Sunrize acres is no such operation, it has free ranging animals and ample cover and terrrain for them to escape. It is a "fenced hunting ranch" and is called such in the source article used for the paragraph's information: "Sunrize Acres, his fenced-in 340-acre hunting ranch." 71.117.3.160 05:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)JC