Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

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Toad

In the above link, we give an explanation on how Toad could be playable, but afterwards we say we don't want speculation. Even with the speculation rule being stated afterwards, it still seems that we are encourging them to speculate by giving an explanation on how Toad could be playable. Shouldn't this be changed???Claycrow 17:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The FAQ exists in WP's talk space, and is not bound by the usual policies and guidelines for verification, original research, and speculation. The idea is that that FAQ is to help cut down excessive discussion that occurs on this talk page as to avoiding using this talk page as a forum about the game, instead of being a forum about how to improve the article. --MASEM 17:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It still sounds wrong for Wikipedia. Claycrow 17:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

As long as it's not articlespace, it's fine. OR, speculation, verifiability, applies to article space. The FAQ is intended to help people editing articles. --Son 19:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing the Page

I gotta say, I'm kinda tired of this whole thing about 100% absolute verification on stuff, and all the things we have to leave off the page. There are plenty of articles on wikipedia that tell things such as that whole Ganondorf/Shiek design thing. I think we need a trivia column. Other articles have em, and it'd allow for more of the little things there isn't room for right now.

On another note, I feel some people are far too controlative about putting supposedly trivial info. The people who need this page the most aren't the guys who even know that there is a site for the game. All the info here can be found there anyway (kinda obsoleting the article). The people who need this page are the people who just learned about the game or took an intrest in it and want to know things like what's different and who's new. Why not have a list of NEW characters on this page? Just an idea. Seriously though, 1st paragraph, important.

Ragingtsunami726 03:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Other articles have them because they haven't been integrated or removed yet.DurinsBane87 03:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:Trivia :) Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 03:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

^^ What he said. Trivia sections are discouraged under Wikipedia policy. Dengarde ► Complaints 04:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Ragingtsunami, I think this article is too toned down. Look at Mortal Kombat: Armageddon, it has all the characters listed and it has 63 characters, and it doesn't look cluttered. This page is too simple and the only information here can be found easily anywhere else. But if someones curious and doesn't now anything about it, they should be able to rely on wikipedia for a well-organized yet complete article on everything known about Super Smash Bros Brawl. They shouldn't have to search for information about SSBB outside of the SSBB page, and within that page, it should be easy to find.--Adam 05:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if they want to look for info on Brawl, they can just go to the Dojo!!. All of wikipedias info on the game comes from there or Nintendo anyways. Wikipedia is not a game guideDengarde ► Complaints 05:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

"...They shouldn't have to search for information about SSBB outside of the SSBB page..." Yeah, they should. We're not your one-stop shop for information on the given subject -- we're just the first stop :) Coreycubed 12:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:Trivia is a guideline, not a policy. Small trivia sections are okay; large trivia sections should be merged into the article. Also, by using WP:NOT, are you suggesting that the MK: Armageddon violates Not a game guide? Because, I don't. A game guide would be telling you step-by-step how to play through the game. --Son 13:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

We dont have to put all the new characters, thats why we already have them in the Super Smash Bros. Series article. Atomic Religione 13:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination

Upon its review on November 2, 2007, this good article nomination was quick-failed because it:

has been the subject of recent ongoing edit wars or is the subject of a future event

thus making it ineligible for good article consideration.

This article did not receive a thorough review, and may not meet other parts of the good article criteria. Future video games, films, buildings and events in general cannot become GAs due to stability issues. For example, once the game is released, there is going to need to be a whole section on "Reception" that will need to be added. I encourage you to remedy this problem (and any others) and resubmit it for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a Good article reassessment. Thank you for your work so far.— Cheers, CP 15:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone should nominate it again, but after the game has been released and additional further details are available to help handle the structure of this article. My personal judgement is that it was too early to nominate it for GA assessment since there are still a lot of details that need to be found first. -Adv193 —Preceding comment was added at 01:16, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the peer review request was probably all we needed, honestly. Arrowned 02:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Krystal

I know this has been discussed already, but I found an excellent source. It was noted in Jeux-France that the VA of Krystal confirmed her appereance on Brawl on her site. It even gets to another source showing this. If you want the translation, press on the Babelfish English Translation on the page. Before you dissagree, please check the site. I would be waiting for your opinions. --Mr.Mario 192 20:16, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

That matters little. As has also been discussed earlier, even if she does turn out to be in the game, besides being added to the (series) character table (if she's playable), neither that article nor this one would change. Arrowned 20:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you ever give links or sources to anything you bring up? That would help a lot. -Sukecchi 20:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, I don't know how to do that. Second, then may I add to the SSB Series table of PC? She confirmed it as one. --Mr.Mario 192 20:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[http://www.Wikipedia.com Wikipedia]=Wikipedia. Just follow that formatting. Second, no, not untill we actually see what your talking about and determine if you're right.Dengarde ► Complaints 20:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

And anyway, if Jeux-France is just talking about her website, then I can tell you from having seen the website myself when the reference was there (she's since removed it, assumedly at Nintendo's request) that all it said was Krystal was in the game. She could just be an assist trophy, especially since this same woman is voicing Knuckle Joe, who we know is just an assist trophy. Until it shows up at Dojo or someone high up in Nintendo confirms her playability, there's no point in adding her. Arrowned 20:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

<ec with Arrowned>What he said. She also confirmed that she's voicing Knuckle Joe, yet he's not a playable character, he's an Assist Trophy. Just because it was listed on her site for a very short amount of time, that doesn't mean Krystal is a confirmed playable character, simply that she's in the game. Dengarde ► Complaints 20:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Like this? Jeux-France --Mr.Mario 192 20:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. Now, I can't even read French, but it seems that Jeux-France is just stating what they saw on her site. Which didn't confirm much, and was eventually removed. Dengarde ► Complaints 20:40, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Excatly has Dengarde said. What little French I know, and what cognates I can bring out, it states the same as the site. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 20:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Click on the Babelfish English Translation link on the page. And thank you very much Dengrade. --Mr.Mario 192 20:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Bablefish states the exact same thing. That she announces the presence of Krystal in Brawl. Which, it does not anymore. And even if it did, still no proof if she's an assist trophy/playable character/Subspace extra or whatever. Dengarde ► Complaints 21:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

SSBB name in Japan.

To the people arguing about the name: State what other names the game goes by. Do not put "Super Smash Brothers Brawl (Japanese Name)" as that would infer that the Japanese name is a translation, when it is not. Please state the Japanese name in a separate sentence. (Ex. "Super Smash Brothers Brawl is a game. In Japan the game is called Whatever (Japanese characters here)") This format holds true to most other video games released in different countries.

Also, about the caption under the Pit and Mario picture... List the characters in order as they appear from left to right so that any newcomers may not become confused, so put it as "Pit and Mario...". Kalidascorp 00:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)