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Deletion of PublicAffairs

Couldn't you have at least opened a discussion so the pros and cons could be weighed? I created that article because another editor wanted it created to include on a disambig page. The article was linked to from two other articles, if I remember right. Seems a bit arrogant that you just delete work someone else has done in a good-faith effort to improve Wikipedia. --RenniePet (talk) 20:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Please take a look at the Criteria for Speedy Deletion, which states "Criteria for speedy deletion specify the limited cases where administrators may delete Wikipedia pages or media without discussion". In particular read A7: "An article about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant". This article, as I stated in my deletion comment, was about a company, yet the article didn't indicate in any way why the subject was important or significant. _TalkIslander 20:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, yes, yes, I had read all that before I posted the above. What I'm saying is that your doing it that way is not conducive to anyone's desire to improve Wikipedia. I put a certain amount of work into creating that article. If I had been informed directly or indirectly that it wasn't good enough I would probably have tried to improve it. Instead I just accidently discover that it's been deleted without any warning. How would you feel in that situation? --RenniePet (talk) 21:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd feel irritated, as I did when my first article was deleted 'cause it didn't meet CSDA7. However, the policies are clearly laid out. It is normal, when an article is nominated for CSD (which, incidently, yours was - I only found it because another editor nominated it for speedy), for the original author to be notified. I am sorry that you weren't in this case, but unfortunatly notification is not a necessity for speedy deletion. Regarding your question about conductivity; have you ever looked at Special:Newpages? The ammount of rubbish that falls into that list is scary. For every potentially good article, there are 100 articles that are either pure vandalism, advertising, or articles about people/groups/companies that just aren't notable. I'm sorry, but if you wish your article to 'live', ensure that it is fully referenced before you upload it. Regards, _TalkIslander 22:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

One last try - is it possible to get the article undeleted if I promise to expand the article during the next couple of days? Then it can be evaluated again.

PublicAffairs Books has published over 200 books. Among the authors are Chris Hedges, George Soros, Wesley Clark, Kenneth Starr and Boris Yeltsin. This is not some little fly-by-night vanity press. See here: http://www.publicaffairsbooks.com/prevpub.html --RenniePet (talk) 00:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's the entire text of the article, just before deletion:

'''PublicAffairs''' (or PublicAffairs Books) is a small American book publisher located in New York City. From their web site:

:"PublicAffairs proudly publishes books by today’s top journalists, historians, and policymakers, in the fields of current affairs, politics, history, and biography."

PublicAffairs is a member of the Perseus Books Group.


==External links==
* [http://www.publicaffairsbooks.com/ Company web site]

[[Category:Book publishing companies of the United States]]
{{publish-company-stub}}

There you go. I'd suggest you develop it in your userspace before starting it again, at which point it can be created without reason to speedy delete :). _TalkIslander 02:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. --RenniePet (talk) 10:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've recreated the page. Hope it's OK this time. --RenniePet (talk) 20:25, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Much, much better. See, that article now asserts it's importance - it has some impressive claims, which, importantly, are backed up by sources, so it definitely no longer qualifies for speedy deletion. If you have any other questions/requests etc., please feel free to ask :). _TalkIslander 20:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

CITV Channel

Sorry about sending it and not previewing it first, I'll remember next time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onshore (talk • contribs) 19:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

THORPE PARK

THORPE PARK is the new name for Thorpe Park. The new name has been confirmed at www.thorpepark.co.uk and in the marketing area.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.21.14 (talk) 00:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The website confirms nothing of the sort. Please re-check your facts, and stop with the disruptive editing. _TalkIslander 00:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Look at the bloody page at ThorpePARK website! THORPE PARK is the new name! Find me one place on the site where it is called Thorpe Park, instead of THORPE PARK. New logo is here, capatilized : http://cdn.lastminute.com/dbimagecache/335581730.gif —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.21.14 (talk) 00:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Right. The website's title doesn't count, as websites often have titles in all caps. The logo a) is not a good reference, as logo's are often stylised, and b) has dropped caps anyway, so doesn't really show full caps like you're saying. Take a look at the press room - all mentions of Thorpe Park are with standard capitalisation. Case closed. _TalkIslander 01:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey just reading that page, THORPE PARK has changed for example: Download the THORPE PARK Map Get the latest THORPE PARK news and offers to your inbox Want to tell someone about THORPE PARK? Send this site onto them

Also including on other sister websites like the annual pass site:

1. Alton Towers ResortFrom 9th to 24th February or from 15th March
2. Madame TussaudsFrom 9th February
3. Warwick CastleFrom 9th February
4. THORPE PARKFrom 16th February
5. London EyeFrom 16th February
6. Chessington World of Adventures & ZooFrom 10th March 11-3pm (park opens 15th Mar)
7. LEGOLAND® Windsor

Thanks to whoever did that :)

That's just the design of the website - it highlight's the name of the park. Equally, in your list above Legoland Windsor is in caps, but the name of the park uses standard capitalisation. _TalkIslander 01:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I work for the park, this information is true, all promotion forms from "THORPE PARK" and from Chessington have THORPE PARK capitalised, the TP name is changed to THORPE PARK on all promotional material, website and internal forms and documents, inclduing mine and other contracts.

There was no need to warn me, I didn't attack you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.21.14 (talk) 01:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

"Next person (sexy boy) Accept it mate, your wrong. Leave it to the professionals next time!" - that's what your warning's for. As for working for the park, a) you can't actually proove that, but more importantly b) even if you could, it's irrelevant. Whilst the press office continue to refer to it as Thorpe Park, Thorpe Park it is. Regardless to all that, even if the park had decided to place 'THORPE PARK' on all promo material, the article would still refer to 'Thorpe Park', as per the Manual of Style: "Only the first letter of the first word, letters in acronyms, and the first letter of proper nouns are capitalized; all other letters are in lower case". _TalkIslander 01:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

No offence or anything but your arguing with people who work/visit the place very regularly, sorry but they are right and i dont see why your arguing against it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.18.210 (talk) 18:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

You'll find that the edited THORPE PARK logo is actually the new one displayed on the webite, 365tickets.co.uk, and lastminute.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebastianoutfin (talk • contribs) 20:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I know. I had to revert your edit to include it to revert the edits to capitalise the name - I was in the process of replacing your version when you wrongly moved the page to 'THORPE PARK'. Please see MOS:TM, specifically the section that states "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official":". _TalkIslander 20:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Add me on msn then; dj_ego[at]infing[dot]co[dot]uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebastianoutfin (talk • contribs) 20:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)