User talk:Hrafn

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AfD's

I've just nominated American Freedom Coalition and World Association of Non-Governmental Organizations for deletion. Steve Dufour (talk) 23:06, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

"Notability" on Irving Hexham article?

I believe that the actual "notability" of this scholar is hardly the issue here is it? A quick search of Wikipedia easily turns up a number of some of his obvious colleagues, none of whose articles are challenged for appropriateness on that basis:

Eileen Barker, David Bromley, Douglas Cowan, Jeffrey K. Hadden, Reender Kranenborg, J. Gordon Melton, Anson Shupe,

In fact, I obtained those names from a list in an article that originally contained Hexham as well. Also, despite the fact that the recent edits were authored by an editor who chose to use "IrvingHexham" as his account name, I've not seen any direct evidence that in fact that editor actually is Irving Hexham, if [you have] concrete evidence of that, I'd like to request that [you] present it here for other editors to examine. I'm going to leave the "compiled" template in place for the moment, but without sufficient supporting evidence (especially on the "notability" issue), I intend on removing it as inappropriate, to be replaced with the templates that were already in place. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 17:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

See Talk:Irving Hexham for reply. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 17:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Contact

Dear Hrafn,

Once again, before you change any more or my edits, I invite you to contact me directly through my emial which I sent you and express your concerns in a civilized way. What you are doing constitutes vandalism and is unreasonable. So why not have the courage to identify yourself. If my comments are really in violation of the spirit of Wikipeadia I am prepared to change them. As it is you make charges as a way of censoring other people's work.

Sincerely,

Irving Hexham

• Professor

1. The appropriate forum for discussing edits is the article talk page. The reversion of edits which other editors do not consider to meet wikipedia standards is routine, per WP:BRD, which suggests that the most appropriate next step is for you to discuss the change you wish to make on article talk and gain a consensus for that change before attempting to reimpose it.
2. Such reversions do not constitute "vandalism" or 'censorship', and it is a violation of WP:AGF to states otherwise.

Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 06:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

False credentials

When you get a chance check out Category:Creationist museums. A whole batch has popped up with some making crazy claims. One in particular, that I point out here, is pretty annoying. A guy just up and decided he was a scientists and the wikipedia article echoed it. We66er (talk) 00:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Irving Hexham writes: to be honest I do not know if this post was intended as a response to something I said or not, but I am assuming it was. Since personal web pages may be unreliable you can check the credentials of myself and my wife (Karla Poewe) on the website of the Center for Military and Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary. This will confirm that we are who we say we are. The relevant URL's are:

http://cmss.ucalgary.ca/fellows/hexham http://cmss.ucalgary.ca/fellows/poewe

Perhaps I should also add that the CMSS also discusses things like "Peace Studies", so it is not quite as militaristic as it sounds. Irving Hexham (talk) 13:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Ummm, unless you are the proprietor of a creationist museum I don't know about, then no, We66er's message has nothing to do with you. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 14:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Conflict of Interest Irving Hexham

You may wish to comment here Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard Teapotgeorge (talk) 09:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Irving Hexham writes: Thank you George, I have added a comment which I hope explains things. Irving Hexham (talk) 13:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Irving Hexham

I removed the notability tag because of WorldCat's list of publications, which show over 3,000 library holdings, which means at least one widely notable academic book. I think that the CoI can be removed as Irvin now knows not to directly edit his own page like that, as it could cause problems. I will try to work with him and make sure he can put together properly sourced information. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Mary Douglas and Victor Turner

[Moved to Talk:Christian apologetics Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 15:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)]

Claims of bad grammar

Can you please point to the rules of grammar that you claim are being broken by me in Relationship between science and religion#The attitudes of scientists towards religion? I'm pretty the sentences are in fact quite grammatical. My writing mostly reflects my attempts to consciously avoid copying sources. --Firefly322 (talk) 15:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC) I've placed this on WP:3.

What this piece of 'writing' "avoids" is any mention of any of the scientists' actual opinions on the topic. As such it serves no purpose whatsoever -- which is why I originally deleted it. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 16:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Karla Poewe

Since User Hrafn finds the following passage and its citation problematic may I suggest that in the spirit of consensus and collaboration he or she rewords it to remove the material he or she finds objectionable. The passage in question says:

"An important discovery made during research for this book was the unexpected and close relationship between Protestant Liberal Christianity[16][unreliable source?]"

The footnote reads:

[16] "Chalcedon Foundation Book Reviews, February 21, 2006. found on the Internet at: http://www.chalcedon.edu/articles/article.php?ArticleID=254"

Incidentally, Newsweek (Feb. 2, 1981), described the Chalcedon Foundation as the leading Think Tank of the American Right. More recently Time had an article that said something similar - sorry I cannot give you the citation. Additionally, they get a lot of coverage in various books on American Religion. All this proves is that they may not be to a lot of people's taste, nevertheless they are influential. Therefore, as a source they are significant whatever one may think of their political and social views.Irving Hexham (talk) 00:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Third Party Citations for Poewe page

[Moved to Talk:Karla Poewe -- Irving Hexham please cease continuously leaving messages here that are more appropriately discussed there (or other article talk pages). Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 03:30, 28 August 2008 (UTC) ]

I apologize for this. I did not realize I was spamming your user page and will not do it again. Irving Hexham (talk) 03:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I put dispute on WP:3 that concerns you. --Firefly322 (talk) 22:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I put another dispute on WP:3 that may concern you. --Firefly322 (talk) 20:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Please stop

Hrafn, I have read the third opinion on Talk:The Christian Virtuoso and am aware of what User:Admiral Norton said. The tag added by you to the main article in the expectation of me apparently doing the work seems to be a clear WP:OWNERSHIP issue (which are discouraged on wikipedia). Unless you are planning to do some work on the article, please stop re-adding the tag. I want to remind you of our interaction at[1], which I do interpret as characteristic of your problematic behavior towards me. --Firefly322 (talk) 15:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Please Stop This, Too

Hrafn, please stop insulting other editors who are working in the area of New Thought and Self Help books. Both madman and i have been treated shabbily by you, and i, for one, don't understand your high level of hostility. You have claimed that people have insulted you, but you do not accept their calm statements that they meant no such thing, and now you are accusing people of thinking, feeling, and acting in ways that they are not, to the point that you are creating deprecating fantasies about them. I have been as patient as i can with you, trying courtesy, formality, and mild sarcasm as reproofs to your anger, but to no avail. I do not want this situation to escalate to the level of an Incivility review, and i hope that you too would wish to avoid that. Please, again, i am asking you to back off, assume good faith, stop trying to hurt people emotionally, and get used to the fact that you are not the only person editing these pages, and that for those of us who are interested in these topics, your repetitious and pointless fact-tagging of articles and your mass deletions of information from Wikipedia do not appear to be the best method of showcasing your own opinions in the global marketplace of ideas. catherine yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 (talk) 23:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Civility

Please be more courteous to other editors. This edit is inappropriate. If someone has made what looks like a copyright violation, you should not jump to the conclusion that it was deliberate and make a post of that nature. Fred Talk 00:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Hrafn can make life here a chore. In this edit, he refers casually accuses two editors (one of them me) of "whining" in a curt sarcastic manner. Madman (talk) 01:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

In this edit you assume the material was copied from the external website to Wikipedia when it is as possible that the material from Wikipedia was copied to the external website, as it was in this instance. Note the [1] and [2] footnotes which mark it as a copy made from the Wikipedia page. The source is cited, St. Louis: History of the Fourth City (1909). On what basis do you presume that the information is not in that source? Fred Talk 14:29, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The fact that some of the material cited to it explicitly occured after 1909. It later turned out that both the addition and the external website were copied from an ealier, wholly unsourced, version of the article. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 15:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes here they are. 3 versions, all deleted as copyright violations. Fred Talk 19:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)