Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/PNC Park

PNC Park

Nominator(s): Blackngold29

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I began working on this article in April 2008. It has since grown and received reviews from a number of users. I have attempted not to rush it into any stage of the process, but now feel it is ready for a FA review. I will do my best to address any comments. Thank you. Blackngold29 14:40, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• What makes http://www.hoksport.com/projects/pnc.html reliable?
  • This is the official website of the company that designed the stadium. Here's a potential replacement. [1] This is a great newspaper article from when the stadium opened, and is a high-quality source by any standard. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
    • I agree that, if possible, it would be better to replace it with that newspaper article. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
• Is http://chronicleconsulting.com/proj/sea.html reliable?

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 18:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Website of the company that inspects PNC Park. Not sure how reliable that makes it, though. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

(ec) Comments - Finally, a topic that I'm truly an expert in, having attended 17 Major League Baseball stadiums, including this one. I'm quite pleased to see one of them come here, but think that it does need improvements.

• The Pirates' attendance in their first two seasons in the stadium is given, but I'd like to see what the figures look like now. A brief check of the ESPN website shows that average attendance is now down to about 20,000 a game. This is probably due to the team's failure; it shouldn't be hard to source that.
  • Added to the "Seating and ticket prices" section. Blackngold29 05:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
• To our fine image experts: What is our policy on having panoramic pictures that take up the whole screen? Personally, I hope this can be kept because it's a beautiful photo.
  • Agreed, there are a few more that I could upload from FlickR, but I thought the current one was the best. Blackngold29 20:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
• Lead could use expansion to three paragraphs. First paragraph isn't that big either.
  • Expanded to three paragraphs, I generally dislike long intros, but it should be close if not adaquate now. Blackngold29 05:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
• "fifth home to the Pittsburgh Pirates," Picky, but perhaps replace to with of.
  • I like "of" better too. Changed. Blackngold29 20:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
• "Built in the style of classic stadiums, such as Fenway Park," Classic is a problem, because reviewers here think of it as POV, even though virtually all baseball fans would call Fenway Park classic (even Yankees fans like me). I'd prefer how this is handled in the body, with the term coming inside quotation marks.
  • I put quotes around it and cited it again. Blackngold29 20:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
• Why no mention of the influence provided by Camden Yards and other new ballparks? To me, I see many of the new baseball stadiums as trying to imitate the success of these stadiums, and honestly saw more of them during my PNC visit than I did of Fenway and Wrigley Field (another ballpark I've seen in person).
  • I don't think I saw any sources that mentioned Camden. I'm sure there are many different parks that influended it, but I think Fenway and Wrigley were the most predominant. I'll look for a source, and add it if there's one out there. Blackngold29 20:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
• Hyphens for second smallest and third cheapest.
  • Done. Blackngold29 20:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
• Planning and funding: "Discussion about a ballpark took place, however, due to the possibility of the franchise's relocation to a new city;" Why is however used when there is really no contrast with the prior sentence.
  • I took the ; out, how's that? Blackngold29 20:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
• Couple of money figures need non-breaking spaces.
  • Bah, I got most nbsp, but forgot the money. Got 'em. Blackngold29 20:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
• Design and construction: Why is foot linked? I know how long a foot is, and our readers surely do as well.
  • It came up in the peer review, I figured it couldn't hurt. Blackngold29 20:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I will track this and come back with more comments once these are addressed. Giants2008 (17-14) 18:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - overall, this is a good article, but there are some things to address before I can support.

• In the history section, the article should say something about the old ballpark. What was wrong with it? Why was a new ballpark needed?
  • Well, I would think wear and tear of 30 years would be assumed, but I added location and traffic issues too. Blackngold29 16:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
• "Discussion about a ballpark took place" - I think it needs to say "Discussions ..." (with plural).
  • Done. Blackngold29 16:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
• "team studied the challenges of constructing a new ballpark" is followed by the sites recommended for the stadium. How is site selection a "challenge". What challenges did the team report about in the report?
  • Expanded on. Blackngold29 16:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
• "Kansas City-based HOK Sport designed the ballpark." - that's a very simple sentence, too simple. Something more could be said about their selection as architect, such as when they were selected.
  • This has been brought up before and I looked for further info, but couldn't find much on any bidding process. I added a quote from the cited article about HOK being the leading stadium architect; they were also awarded the New Pittsburgh Arena without much fanfare. Blackngold29 16:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
• "PNC Park was constructed over a 24-month span–three months faster than any other modern major league ballpark" - I believe this is not true. It might have been built quicker than any stadium up until that time. However, ground was broken on Nationals Park on May 4, 2006 [2] and officially opened on March 30, 2008 when the Nationals played the Atlanta Braves [3] which makes the construction quicker than 24 months that it took to build PNC Park.
  • As of 2001 it was the quickest, clarified. Blackngold29 16:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

So far, I have only reviewed the first two parts of the history section, and will look at the rest later. --Aude (talk) 15:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)