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Just, thank you for all you did. That's a great way to start a new article for the BEST film from the 1980s. [[User:Wildroot|Wildroot]] ([[User talk:Wildroot|talk]]) 22:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Just, thank you for all you did. That's a great way to start a new article for the BEST film from the 1980s. [[User:Wildroot|Wildroot]] ([[User talk:Wildroot|talk]]) 22:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the DVD special features too. I was planning on that, but that's nice. You must ''really'' like Back to the Future as much as me. I'll see if there's any valuable info from "The Making of" book and The Cinema of Robert Zemeckis. [[User:Wildroot|Wildroot]] ([[User talk:Wildroot|talk]]) 20:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


== Khaaaan! ==
== Khaaaan! ==

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Temple of Doom

Almost done with the article. Just need to add a chapter of The Complete Making of Indiana Jones. Could you do a risky article polish? Thanks. —Wildroot (talk) 03:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

Hi there. Sorry for adding duplicate info to Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. I imagined it would have been added, but I honestly didn't see it! I might add the extra bit about Roberto Orci mentioning them wanting to protect his hand. -- JediLofty Talk to meFollow me 12:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care who comes in really. I just hope there are more for both sides; you know, have some dog fights in the air. I guess we also know that the corvette is an Autobot. I think, with its design, it would have been better as a Decepticon.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Dark Knight disambiguation

There's been a little more discussion about the disambiguation page The Dark Knight at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#The Dark Knight. Since you expressed an opinion earlier, you might like to join the discussion there and explain whether you think the film is or isn't the primary topic for the phrase "The Dark Knight". Thanks! —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 04:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Matrix

Hi Alientraveller,

i didn'n like your recent alterations very much. There really has to be a difference between a simulated reality and the true world with its real sensations. The problem might be to find out where your peronality begins and the cultural influnence ends. I'm doing some little work in the next time, maybe you could check your messages. Gordenie (talk) 14:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

214.13.162.2

Hi there. I just thought I'd mention that 214.13.162.2 has been blocked! Whether he'll read the pages you showed him (and if so, whether he'll heed them) I'm not sure! -- JediLofty Talk to meFollow me 13:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope so too. Mr Anon certainly seems to have a bee in his/her bonnet about Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. I can't understand what his/her problem is... (s)he calls them "commercial sites"... I've never had to pay to use them! -- JediLofty Talk to meFollow me 13:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial means they make a profit dummy. 214.13.192.187 (talk) 04:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alice filming

Plymouth, England. Are you disappointed that Burton is using motion-capture technology. I mean, having someone in a giant rabbit suit would look stupid, but I just don't know.—Wildroot (talk) 21:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's likely, but I wouldn't put Frankenweenie in its own separate article at the moment. Also, User:97198 will not update Temple of Doom to GA status. All of her suggestions have been completed for hours and she will not respond. It's probably safe for one of us to just update it ourselves. I don't know.

About Alice in Wonderland. Are the creatures going to be motion capture, while Alice will be played by that Aussie actress, or will the entire film be motion capture. Maybe they'll do something like James and the Giant Peach where the first 15 minutes are live action. Still dissatisfied that my favorite filmmakers (Spielberg and Jackson on Tin Tin, Zemeckis on his recent films, Burton with Wonderland) are using that technology. Oh well.—Wildroot (talk) 18:30, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice

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RE: Thor

Thanks for letting me know, bro - appreciate it. Mainly because his looks far better than mine so I'm glad the article's in good hands somewhere haha. Thanks again =) -- Harish (Talk) - 07:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bro, I was a lil confused by Wildroot's response to me. Seems stressed or something, should I leave it? I assume you know his style so figured I'd ask. -- Harish (Talk) - 09:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, thanks bro. -- Harish (Talk) - 14:11, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

re: Pixar template

I'll follow your lead on the best way to handle it since you're better versed in movie-related templates. I was just sick of the continually add it/delete it/add it mentality of the fanboys who want to instantly add everything they hear to WP that I submitted the template for protection so the matter can be discussed. SpikeJones (talk) 17:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kong Franchise

I merged a lot of stubs into this article, and now you want to delete all that merged information? I think that is a very bad idea, and doesn't improve the article. Let's source what's there and trim a bit, not cut all the text, and then have to re-hunt all the same information over again. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What dummy unmerged some of those articles? Sigh. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:24, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copy-editing

Don't be afraid to do "polishes" on my articles. Right now I'm working on Superman (film). FYI, that's not the official lead section. I only left it there because I'm too lazy to write a new one. Cheers. —Wildroot (talk) 02:30, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lionel

Thanks. I don't have the comic (yet), so I was going by what other people had written. Thanks for correcting it. So, what to you think of the page now?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I still plan to expand the article more, even the reception section. I was just looking through some other things and saw that and realized it could be useful but I'll need to find more to go with it. Do you think the Smallville section in Appearances needs to be expanded more, or do you think it summarizes the character's actions well enough?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Terminator

Watched it online at Sidereel, but I thought you frowned on that sort of thing? It was pretty brilliant I must say, real edge of your seat excitement, it put me in the mood to go and watch T2.  Paul  730 22:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Watchmen

Howdy :) I see you removed a link to a movieset.com page to the Watchmen. Movieset are an up and coming site that are like the "DVD extras" for movies, as such they get a lot of content thats unique. The movie was shot in Burnaby, BC, Canada and Movieset are located in Vancouverm BC, Canada. They have all sorts of photos, trailers, stills, content related to that movie so I am not sure why you thought the link to the Watchmen page was 'spam'.

The point is, I think its a valid content source for reference and user interest. Please let me know your thoughts and if you checked the site that was referenced before removing the link - Carlo - 18:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's a great idea actually. I am relatively new to Wiki, only a few years. I appreciate the heads up on the addition of content, it makes more sense to reference unique content rather than the general site page referring to the movie, cheers :) - - Carlo (talk) 18:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

X-Men films

Just checked the video game's article. It's canon. Emperor001 (talk) 01:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article The Dark Knight (film) (nominated by Gary King as a good article) has been placed on hold . It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:The Dark Knight (film) for things needed to be addressed. -- I noticed you are one of the major contributors to the article so I thought I would give you a heads up. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 22:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update: My points were addressed, passed the article as GA. Cirt (talk) 05:25, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Indianagrabsidol.jpg)

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Watchmen FAR

Watchmen is currently up at Featured Article Review. I'm writing a a brand spankin' new version of the article here. Given you've done a bit of work on the film page, could you handle the section about the film that summarizes the main article? Cover everything from the earliest development to the current lawsuit. Don't bother mentioned the cast; it's an ensemble piece and none of the actors really stand out enough to mention them in this article. Two paragraphs feels like a reasonable length for the section. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Star Trek

Well, the Star Trek wiki Memory Alpha has the 'clean' posters for all the films, so that's not an issue. I am actually surprised no crazy fan has come after me for cleaning up Khan or Vulcan yet, but my response I guess is "screw it, I'm being bold." It's pathetic when a seven-year old game franchise is essentially the only good model for a fiction universe not spiraled out of control (but hey, if you know other ones, let me know :P) My efforts in cleaning 'em up are promotion, as deletion and reorganization rarely gets me anywhere. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, when will I see Iron Man at FAC? :P Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 14:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's not what you like, its that it's pretty close to FA standard, and I know you want a shiny star :P Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 21:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Buffyverse God

Joss Whedon is an atheist and absurdist, and in Buffy's own words, there's "nothing solid" about the existence of God in the series. Buffy's description of heaven was "Wherever I was, I was happy. At peace. I knew that everyone I cared about was all right. I knew it. Time didn't mean anything, nothing had form, but I was still me, you know? And I was warm and I was loved and I was finished. Complete. I don't understand about theology or dimensions, or any of it really. But I think I was in heaven". There are higher beings known as the Powers That Be in Angel, who aid the characters in their mission but no actual "God". Vampire's weaknesses to wood (and more notably, crucifixes and holy water) are never explained in the series, and are probably more to do with pop culture archetypes than theology. Personally, I like the lack of religion in Buffy, because I'm agnostic and if they portrayed Christianity etc as fact it would alienate me a little. Have you read the story where the Fantastic Four go to heaven and meet God? I thought it sounded awful, but actually really enjoyed the metafictional way in which it was done (God appearing as Jack Kirby, lol).  Paul  730 22:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I like the portrayal of heaven in that story as well, that of an abstract dimension where reality shifts depending on a person's personal desires and fantasies and nothing you see is really "real", it's just our own perception of something that's far beyond our tiny human understanding.  Paul  730 14:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that there can be mutiple canons in a franchise; Halloween has three alternate timelines, which are very different but all enjoyable in their own way. However, I think Friday the 13th (and Nightmare on Elm Street, since it's a shared universe per Freddy vs Jason) is one big timeline. I just found it funny that Stan Lee thought a Norse God who flew via magic hammer was more believable than an alien who could fly naturally. It wasn't a complaint at all. :) I'm a Doctor Who fan, if I cared about realistic science my head would explode.  Paul  730 21:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bad science can be funny sometimes, like on DW where it's basically an in-joke by now that the screwdriver can do anything. I know it upsets some people though, "Journey's End" took it to a whole new level. It depends on the tone of the series as well; I expect better science from Terminator, for example, that I do from Buffy or Doctor Who.  Paul  730 21:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind doing an article polish? Thanks. Wildroot (talk) 02:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great work!

Hey, I just wanted to commend you on the excellent catch you made in the “Alice in Wonderland” AfD discussion – based on the new source you presented, I switched my vote to Keep. Great work! Ecoleetage (talk) 18:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

whoops?

I think I may have screwed up Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End with an edit I made this morning, but for the life of me I can't see the typo in the compare. Can you check? SpikeJones (talk) 12:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you; I also figured there was a series article - just didn't look for it. cheers! SpikeJones (talk) 13:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Valkyrie poster

Oh yes, I really like the poster. It definitely sells it as the thriller it's supposed to be, something other than an over-serious, talky period piece. There's been a distinct shift in the tone of the Google news alerts I've been getting about the film since Cruise's appearance in Tropic Thunder (and since they brought the release date forward). People seem to be actually looking forward to Valkyrie, rather than for any excuse to bash it. Steve TC 14:58, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assistance

Hello, hope you've been doing well! I'm truly jealous of how you've continued to be so prolific with editing these articles. It is nice to know that they are in such good hands, though! I'm kind of creeping back to Wikipedia partially due to the election wrapping up, but I think I will have my hands off regular article maintenance for the time being. I'm going to focus on community discussions. Just wanted to let you know that if you need me to weigh in about an issue with any particular article, just drop a line on my talk page, and I'll come by. —Erik (talkcontrib) - 21:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am alright with Megatron coming back. I guess it depends on how convincing the resurrection is, since his underwater prison sounds like it would have been inaccessible. I never followed Transformers religiously, but I liked the Constructicons the best because of how they came together to make one big bot. It's definitely a busy season for films right now; I really think I'm going to have to narrow my scope if I want to work on any article. Was thinking about starting a science fiction film task force when/if school ever lets up. Good call on not buying Casino Royale right away... buying the first edition and the special edition is "double dipping", isn't it? I really need to see The Incredible Hulk and Indy 4 since I never got to see them in theaters last summer. —Erik (talkcontrib) - 22:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

San Jose Mercury News, "Steve Jobs and Tinseltown", April 21, 2003 mentions: "'Jobs is an amazing strategist; he's been playing Eisner like a harp,' said Jim Hill, Disney insider and Webmaster at Jim Hill Media, a site that tracks the entertainment industry. 'Eisner doesn't want to admit it, but he is a man who is genuinely concerned about what his legacy is going to be.'" Other hits:

  • Winston-Salem Journal, "Ian McShane's character in Deadwood was based on a real person", March 5, 2005: "No official release date has been announced yet. But according to Jim Hill Media (www.jimhillmedia.com), a Web site that specializes in news about the Walt Disney Company, a DVD release is being considered for fall of 2006, to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the film... According to the report at Jim Hill Media , Disney is expected to include a documentary on the DVD that puts the film in a historic perspective, and probably will also hire a prominent black entertainer to introduce the film."
  • Republican-American, "This week's column will take a circuitous path, beginning with the reactions to films from the House of Apatow", September 17, 2007: "How do I know? Because Pixar, which made Ratatouille, is in a fight with Disney, which distributed the movie, over why the film wasn't as big a blockbuster as other Pixar-Disney movies like, say, Toy Story (1995) or Finding Nemo (2003). This according to Jim Hill Media, a Web site that follows Disney."
  • Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "Movie mojo", March 25, 2005: "In a recent Internet posting, Disney-obsessed Jim Hill Media reports that sources deep inside Buena Vista Home Entertainment revealed that a special-edition Song of the South DVD would be released in fall 2006."

Here's a worthwhile one... CNNfn, "Outlook for Disney", May 12, 2004... a full-fledged interview with Jim Hill. A few bits:

  • HAFFENREFFER: Tell me a little about whether -- as you've just heard the earnings from the company, again, beating expectations by about 5 cents on a per share basis. From what you've heard, is this enough to take some of the heat off Michael Eisner?
  • HILL: Certainly, Michael Eisner could have use the good news now, so this was welcome. The problem is they're relying on the theme parks right now. And frankly, between what is going on with gas prices as well as concerns about terrorism, the theme park growth right now, it's a paper-thin type thing. All it will take is gas prices creeping a little further north, or to be honest, an orange alert, and attendance will drop in Orlando and Anaheim.

...

  • HAFFENREFFER: Last question. This one concerning Euro Disney, this one concerning the financial dire straits Euro Disney is in, if it doesn't get supplemental financing some way. They may not be able to meet their financial obligations. What will happen? Is Euro Disney going to be around in a couple years or not?
  • HILL: Oh, certainly. The fact of the matter is Euro Disney continues to make money hand over fist. The problem is the debt. They have $2 billion worth of debt right now. Sadly, what it looks like is going to have to happen is that, unless somebody comes forward before the May 31st deadline, they're going to have to reorganize over there. Maybe the park will close for a couple days, but it will come back stronger without the debt and continue to make, you know, huge, huge money for whoever ends up owning Euro Disney at that point.

Oh, he was also interviewed again with CNNfn on March 3, 2004... "Perspective On Eisner & Future of Disneys". Hold on, it mentions that he was in a critical WSJ article about Mr. Eisner... bingo--

  • McBride, Sarah (2004-03-02). "Mice That Roar: Obsessive Fans Join Disney Proxy Fight; Online Minutiae Lovers Dwell On Big Stuff for Once; Cobwebs Turn the Tide". Wall Street Journal.

Some quotes...

  • "In mid-January, self-described "Disney dweeb" Jim Hill was roused from an evening catnap by a surprise caller: Roy E. Disney, asking for Mr. Hill's advice on his effort to get Michael Eisner thrown out as Walt Disney Co.'s chairman and chief executive."
  • "For the past weeks, as they campaign to unseat Mr. Eisner, Mr. Disney and his business partner Stanley Gold have tried to tap into the wonderful world of Disney fanatics. With a hot boardroom battle under way at Disney, jimhillmedia.com had about 1.5 million viewers last week, up threefold from three months ago. 'A little teeny Web site is suddenly drawing porn numbers,' says Mr. Hill with pride."

Oh, what the heck, I found a link. :) Hope that gives you an idea about him. —Erik (talkcontrib) - 23:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My work on that article is in desperate need of a polish, especially the Development section.Wildroot (talk) 02:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: What next

I dunno. If I actually thought the GAN would help with the prose (which I believe is the only real issue) I'd do it, but usually I just take it straight to FA. That said, I've got another article I'm talking to FAC first, so if you wanted to put it up at GAN and see if it gets reviewed in the meantime that's fine.

I've started pooling sources for The Undiscovered Country, but I'm not sure if I'll work on that next-- I'd have to buy the DVD (yeah, ten bucks is expensive :P) and I also want to get some other stuff moving (Edward Drinker Cope, Myst V) so I don't really know If I'll be able to focus on any one project exclusively. I guess I've entertained the thought of doing a Star Trek films FTC, but I definitely couldn't do that alone. (Generations and First Contact would be the next films to focus on in terms of potential). Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

User;Wildroot/Back

Just, thank you for all you did. That's a great way to start a new article for the BEST film from the 1980s. Wildroot (talk) 22:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding the DVD special features too. I was planning on that, but that's nice. You must really like Back to the Future as much as me. I'll see if there's any valuable info from "The Making of" book and The Cinema of Robert Zemeckis. Wildroot (talk) 20:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Khaaaan!

I got a hold of Beyond Uhura today off the interlibrary loan and was able to add a bit to the cast and film section, so aside from the one paper to bolster themes I think it's basically ready for FAC. If you could assist in the copyediting grind, I'd be grateful :) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 23:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Sherlock Holmes (2009 film)

Updated DYK query On 10 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sherlock Holmes (2009 film), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 11:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work! :) It's going to be interesting to see how Guy Ritchie does this. —Erik (talkcontrib) - 16:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sherlock Holmes

Hey, I was just wondering why have you created that page when there was another title?. You could have have moved it from 2010 to 2009?. --SkyWalker (talk) 11:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. I thought the movie would be released on 2010. So i moved it there and few days later i saw you created anyother page so no worries :). Btw can you improve this article: Hellboy 2--SkyWalker (talk) 11:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Should i ask Erik and Steve to improve the article?. I have not seen the movie too. I wanted to watch The Dark Knight but was unable to because of my recent surgery. Can you help with this article too List of Chronicles of Narnia cast members. I wanted to create a table similar to List of Harry Potter cast members and iam not sure who is Narnia, Telmarines and other's and i have not read the book. I only watched the 1st film and waiting for dvd release of 2nd film. Can you guide me. So i can create a table?. --SkyWalker (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anyidea when those two chaps are free?. You know them well more than i do. Thanks. We can help together and someday it can reach FA and when can we start?. Yea iam ok after the surgery. I had Spinal disc herniation. :). --SkyWalker (talk) 12:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Hi, thanks for the welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abato piscorum (talkcontribs)

fun with wall-e

regarding Talk:WALL-E#WALL-A_units_resemble_giant_WALL-E_units - It's all quite silly, really. If I'm wrong with my point, I trust you to tell me so. I believe I am correct, however, but seek your input/guidance. Thx. SpikeJones (talk) 20:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]