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October 10

Persuasive Writing

I have added substantial information and sources to this page persuasive writing, and I would like to know if the "need more reliable sources" banner could now be removed from the top. Psmith006 (talk) 23:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Faster-than-light

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if a particle travels faster than light what happens? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.97.146.59 (talk) 03:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 03:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Tachyon and Faster-than-light. --Teratornis (talk) 04:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I request this account to be deleted under blant advertising and promotion

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USER:CASIPILLAI

Reason is, I did not realise that we are not allowed to promote our work therefore I am requesting you to delete my account permenantly. I am aware this site is not for advertising and I apologise for any inconvience.

I request this account to be deleted under blant advertising and promotion

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Casipillai (talk • contribs) 09:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Casipillai. As Wikipedia is licensed under GFDL, accounts must be maintained for attribution purposes. Your account therefore cannot be deleted by law per the text of the GFDL. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 09:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your userpage has been deleted for you, though. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 13:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"What links here" counter?

I'd like a method to quickly provide a count of backlinks from Special:Whatlinkshere. I found Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2007_February_28#Counter_for_.22What_links_here.22, but I'd prefer something entirely on-wiki. Any ideas?--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 10:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wishes there was* I don't believe there is. I wasn't even aware of an off-wiki counter. :) PeterSymonds (talk) 11:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

can the evolution societal and cultural linked directly to th perception of the impairment associated to disability

can the evolution societal and cultural linked directly to th perception of the impairment associated to disability##### —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.88.59 (talk) 11:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Humanities reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 11:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Although, I should warn you that the Reference desk doesn't like questions that appear to be homework unless you show that you've attempted it first yourself. You're likely to be berated for typing that question in its current form. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 11:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It also helps to type a grammatical sentence. What you typed above seems to be merely a phrase ("Can the evolution ... do what?). If English is not your first language, you may want to ask on the help desk of the Wikipedia in your native language. It also helps if you state the course title, so people can further decode your garbling of the assignment question. You may be asking about Social stigma and Evolutionary psychology. And don't forget to search Wikipedia, and search the Web with your favorite search engine. --Teratornis (talk) 17:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photo upload

I have an article and a user page but cant find the location to upload photos? Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lin14 (talk • contribs) 11:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your account is old enough, and you have enough edits, so you should be autoconfirmed (confirm this by checking your preferences, where your user groups are listed). The upload interface is Special:Upload, and a link should appear in your toolbox on the left hand side. Alternatively, if it's a free image, it would be better to upload at Wikimedia Commons. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 11:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How can I fix a typo in a title when a page move does not appear to have worked?

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The title for the Migration Museums page is misspelt as Migration usems. The same article appears on pages with the address http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Museums and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_useums

I've read through the FAQs page on moving an article but when I looked at the history of this page it seemed another user had already tried that. Am I missing something or is this harder than it first looks?

Many thanks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatter anon (talk • contribs)

Fixed - the article is now at Migration museums as the original page move intended (accidental typo, by the looks of things). Thanks for bringing this to attention. Bencherlite ^Talk 12:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the problem was fixed, as the "useums" article has been deleted. To answer your more general question, the right to move pages is only granted to users that have achieved "autoconfirmed" status. That status requires 4 days experience and 10 edits in your contribution history. If you are not able to move pages, that is probably why. See WP:AUTOCONFIRM for more info. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 12:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...and if you come across a situation like that again, the page you need is WP:Requested moves. I've just moved the article again - it's now at Migration museum - the singular rather than the plural. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 13:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Green (Positive) and Red (Negetive) Number on 'my watchlist'

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Hi, I think this occurs for everyone but I don't know what it means. On 'my watchlist' next to each of my 'watched' articles and the recent changes, there is a number in brackets, the positive numbers are green, and the negative numbers are red, with varying highs and lows of numbers. what do these mean? Thank you very much. The Pharmacist (talk) 13:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It means the number of bites added or removed by the most recent edit. (I learned that here, Go Help Desk!) Grsz ^X 13:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean bytes instead of bites. Although, if articles were cookies, editing would be a lot more delicious. :P TN‑X-Man 14:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When a question appears on the Help desk, it's instructive to ask: why did the editor need to ask this question? In other words, why wasn't the answer obvious from the design of Wikipedia? When we browse to my watchlist, the following (perhaps too-)subtle hint appears:

You have 97 pages on your watchlist (excluding talk pages).

The word "watchlist" is a link to Help:Watching pages. It's easy to overlook because of the rest of the commotion on the page. However, remarkably, Help:Watching pages doesn't seem to explain the meaning of the red and green numbers (the page does not even contain the word "green"). For that you would have to read Help:Recent changes (which Help:Watching pages does link to, but from well into the page). The answer to this question is find-able from the page that raises the question, but finding the answer takes some work. One might argue that every editor is going to have to spend some time reading the friendly manuals, because Wikipedia is a do it yourself system, but from an ergonomic standpoint it would be nice if Wikipedia had some sort of "What's this?" popup-balloon help. Then when you see a feature that raises a question in your mind, you could right-click on it and one option in the context menu would be "What's this?", which would display a balloon briefly defining the feature, and linking to the manual page with more details. It might be possible to implement something like that with a Web browser extension. The current option is to expect every user to read the friendly manuals. --Teratornis (talk) 17:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. I never used the word "friendly" in that acronym. Hmmm... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RTFM ~~lists~~ should list it as one of the possible expansions. I like to use the word "friendly" in a sort of you-know-what-we-really-mean in-joke kind of way. Wikipedia is, after all, one of the world's largest in-jokes. --Teratornis (talk) 19:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much everyone! The Pharmacist (talk) 09:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Music genres

what happend to the genres on the music pages such as Slipknot and Lamb Of God? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellop115 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean. Should a genre be listed or is the one listed incorrect? TN‑X-Man 14:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

well i mean the genres that used to be listed under the backbround information boxes aren't there anymore.Hellop115 (talk) 14:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't read it, but you might like to look at Template talk:Infobox Musical artist#Genre field. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 15:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(e/c)The genre parameter has been deleted from the {{Infobox musical artist}} infobox template because it was causing endless edit wars. Short discussion at the WP:VPT#An odd infobox problem with link to larger discussion. – ukexpat (talk) 15:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

oh ok i was just wondering thanksHellop115 (talk) 01:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hidden

Can the template itself be centred if its width is less than 100%? By default it sticks to the left and float: center; doesn't seem to work. -- Menti sock 14:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, but I don't think so. It looks like the main div can't be changed. Might be wrong, but I think you'd need to make it more like this. Notice the {{{divcss|}}}.

<div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border:none;{{{divcss|}}}">
 <div class="NavHead" style="font-weight:{{{fw1|bold}}}; background-color:{{{bg1|transparent}}};
                             text-align:{{{ta1|center}}}; {{{headercss|}}}">
  {{{header|{{{1}}}}}}
 </div>

 <div class="NavContent" style="font-weight:{{{fw2|normal}}}; background-color:{{{bg2|transparent}}};
                                text-align:{{{ta2|left}}};{{{contentcss|}}}">
   {{{content|{{{2}}}}}}
 </div>
</div>

So then something like this would do what you want:

{{hidden2
| divcss = margin-right:auto;margin-left:auto; width: 50%;
| headercss = background: #ccccff; font-size: 110%;
| contentcss = text-align: center; font-size: 110%;
| header = Title text here
| content = Body text line 1<br/>Body text line 2<br/>Body text line 3
}}

Louis Waweru Talk 16:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"center" is not a valid value for "float", so it won't work. The standard way of using CSS to center a box is to create a container div with text-align (for Internet Explorer), and center the content div with auto margins, as follows:

<div style="text-align:center">
    <div style="width: 50%; margin: 0 auto">
        Content
    </div>
</div>

Now, since I'm not yet versed in Wikispeak, could someone translate the above construct into Wiki markup? MaxVT (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that worked! -- Menti sock 10:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

can someone do a wikipedia article on me and my music company

the menace is my name lil massive records inc. is my company —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanzzzzzzz (talk • contribs)

Do you mind providing some mentions of your company in reliable sources so that we can verify your notability? Please also see Wikipedia:Your first article. GlassCobra 19:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you think your company is notable enough, you can always request it at the Article request page. Instructions for how to do that ae on the page. StephenBuxton (talk) 19:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FAQ/Business is also a good resource to look at. 70.91.31.162 (talk) 20:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How to remove history data

I had problems uploading an image, it looked that the problem was with the jpg file, I tried with a different image, that has nothing to do with the subject, and now my problem is how to remove it from the history data of the image? Please advise --M00seo00o (talk) 19:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you wish to have your test image deleted, you can tag it for deletion by an administrator. The syntax for self-requests is: {{db-G7}}. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

when you tag for deletion, the box is shown for approx 5 days if nobody rejects, is that correct? But only it is going to be deleted why i requested, my concern is because I mistype the syntax {{db-G7}}for {{db-G7}}. Is there going to be any problem, is the entire article going to be deleted? could you help me, please

Well, no - if you tag something for speedy deletion under g7, then it's pretty much instantaneous (as long as you are the sole author, then an administrator will delete the image as soon as they get to it in the list of currently flagged speedy deletion candidates). Prod is the slightly slower method of deletion whereby you propose something for deletion, and if no-one's disputed it for a week then it can be deleted. Let me just see if I can track down which image it is you wanted deleted. _Gb^T/c 20:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm presuming that it's one or more instances of Image:Subregionsmap.jpg that you're wanting to delete? Which versions are you aiming to remove? _Gb^T/c 20:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to keep the last version...the rest versions can be removed.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by M00seo00o (talk • contribs) 21:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no compelling reason to delete earlier reversions, as only the image most recently added will be visible in the article. Just like with article text. Unless there is a good reason to remove the edits entirly from the history (like they reveal personal information) then I see no real reason to remove them... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 23:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My reason is because the other image (Generation by Fuel graphic, thas shows the one previous the last)is that has nothing to do with the subject, it is in certain way related, but should not be there, cause it was just used because apparently there was a problem with the jpg image that i wanted to upload, and i found that when i upload another jpg not knowing that the history will remain visible for public,,,, at least just remove the last 2 (the one in blank and the one that has a graphic that says Generation by fuel), please, thanks --M00seo00o (talk) 12:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What order do results from a prefix query come in?

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It almost looks like alphabetical order, but in [this query], Leopold I of Belgium comes after Leopold II of Belgium for example. --Rogerb67 (talk) 21:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the presumption that the "II" in Leopold II is two "i"s, then isn't that alphabetical order? Wouldn't leopoldiio come before leopoldio? _Gb^T/c 21:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to be sorted by ASCII value (I don't know about non-ASCII characters). Part of the ASCII order is space, 0-9, A-Z, _ (underscore character), a-z. The question is how a space is treated. Spaces are not ignored as Gb's reply seems to assume. A space has lower ASCII value than other characters so it usually comes first in computer sorting, but in Wikipedia there is a special correspondence between spaces and underscores _ in page names. I guess a space is sorted like an underscore (this seems unfortunate to me). In [1] space is sorted between 'S' and 's'. This is consistent with space being treated like underscore and sorted by ASCII. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I like it! Thanks for the clear explanation. Space being sorted between Z and a seems to explain it. Regarding non-ASCII characters, it probably sorts in binary order - this is generally fastest. Thus the order will depend on the storage scheme chosen, presumably some UTF scheme. --Rogerb67 (talk) 23:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moving article/list

Could an admin please move List of film noir to List of films noirs? Please see discussion attempt without any contradictions, counter proposals etc. for two weeks. Thanks, Ibn Battuta (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A move of that page shouldn't require an admin but you might try a procedure at Wikipedia:Requested moves to get more input first. Your section is not actually formulated like a move suggestion. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I just checked the history of the target article and it has more than one revison, so it will have to be taken to Wikipedia:Requested moves... maybe someone more knowledgeable on the subject should check the article to make sure that this wasn't the result of a cut&paste move... NanohaA'sYuri^{Talk, My master} 22:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, and [2][3] is a cut and paste move. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question/Comment?

Something I have noticed lately is that the images in the IMAGE: namespace now have thumbnails of the images and pages that are deleted are now readily apparent when viewing the page... anyway, I was wondering when this was done? As from what I can see this was a BRILLIANT idea (it becomes easy to see and compare old versions of an image, and deletion is not obscure as it used to be. NanohaA'sYuri^{Talk, My master} 21:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That feature is useful on an image that had many updates, such as Image:2008 09L 5-day track.gif which appeared in Hurricane Ike. MediaWiki#Release history has this item listed for version 1.14:

File upload history pages now display thumbnails for every file version

You could direct your thanks to Brion Vibber, I suppose. Or just throw money. --Teratornis (talk) 03:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

attention plz

KINDLY DO REMOVE THE PICTURE OF OUR HOLLY PROPHEHT MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H)FROM THIS PAGE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone I SHEL BE THANKSFUL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.4.234 (talk) 22:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not censor itself for the benefit of any group. Louis Waweru Talk 22:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you would like to hide the picture on your browser, see How can I hide the images using my personal Wikipedia settings?. —teb728 t c 23:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, for some reason I never though Muslims celebrated Christmas, or did Muhammad advocate other uses of holly than to celebrate Yuletide? --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 00:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 11

Munster Rugby - protected templete deletion?

Munster Rugby Section 8.2 on this page has a templete slated for deletion on it, which is fair, but it has become partof that section's title and it is warping the size of the contents box at the top. Preferably, I'd just like the tag to be place where it wouldn't interfere with the contents box. I can find how to fix this, so I'd appreciate any help! Syferus (talk) 13:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have temporarily removed the {{BILru}} template which was causing the problem, pending the outcome of the TFD discussion. On a side note, use of those templates in headings appears to violate WP:MOS as it puts a link in a section heading. – ukexpat (talk) 14:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help! Syferus (talk) 16:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources in infoboxes

Is there a better (more appealing?) way of citing sources in an infobox? See Jayde Nicole for what I'm talking about. I don't like the look of all the [1]s all over the infobox. Any ideas? Dismas|^(talk) 00:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for giving me an excuse to look at Jayde Nicole. :-) Usually I would agree with putting footnotes behind each stat. For example, for ethnic groups, you might have several different population figures (one for each of several geographic areas), and each figure might be drawn from a different source. In Jade's case, however, all info comes from the same source. If this situation is a common one for Playmates, and I expect that it is, then there may be a more elegant answer, such as finding or creating a single location for the ref, if and only if all the refs are the same source. I suggest that you take it to Template talk:Infobox Playboy Playmate and discuss the idea... Let me know if yo have further questions.. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 03:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They do all come from the same source rather often, the Playmate Data Sheet on the back of the fold out centerfold. And thanks, I'll take it up at the talk page of the template. Dismas|^(talk) 03:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Content box

How do you make the content box appear on talk pages that don't have them? --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What content box? Do you mean {{notaforum}}? Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 03:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The contents box appears automatically once there are 3 or more things to list in it. Astronaut (talk) 03:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OH, the table of contents! You can also force it to appear by using __TOC__. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 03:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But you actually have to add it to the page. I don't think there's a way to make the table of contents always appear just for you. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 03:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent) The question didn't say anything about making it appear just for you. I can't imagine any reason why doing it just for myself would be useful, though it may be kinda fun. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 03:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One could, for some reason or another, want the table of contents to always display (when there are only 1 or 2 sections). Since the default for everyone is 3, a way to lower that for oneself isn't that crazy (there are some even more trivial things you can change in Special:Preferences). It is, however, a bit useless, as you said. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 03:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

_TOC_ did not work. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You need two underscores on each side :) Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 04:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks. :) --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 04:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

electricity produced using nuclear fuel

which country is the leading producer of electricity using nuclear fuel? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.230.26 (talk) 06:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Nuclear power by country. --Teratornis (talk) 06:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But we don't do your homework for you. – ukexpat (talk) 14:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, around the middle of 2008, the United States became the leading producer of electricity from wind, nudging Germany into second place, but China is growing its wind power on a percentage basis faster than anyone else, more than doubling its installed capacity each year since 2005, and should sieze the lead sometime after 2010. --Teratornis (talk) 19:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New page patrol backlog (patrolled edits)

The backlog for the patrol log is very large, articles are falling off the list one after the other without being marked. Is there something wrong here? Does this need more patrollers? Clark89 (talk) 07:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's normal actually. There are a lot of articles being created, and it is simply not possible to patrol each and every one of them. But they will eventually be noticed, and any problems with them will be dealt with later. (When they are being assessed by their related Wikiprojects, for example). A new article won't go unnoticed forever. Chamal ^Talk ± 07:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Will these articles be marked in the patrol log? Clark89 (talk) 20:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AWB

Is there a way for me to scoop up a tutor who can tell me how to use this tool? Kittybrewster ☎ 12:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, ping my talk any time you have questions. I'm sure there's also a help forum... Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 12:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is an AWB IRC channel at irc.freenode.net — #AutoWikiBrowser. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 12:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No comment. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 12:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? did I say something wrong? ;) Chamal ^Talk ± 12:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent). No it isn't your fault. IRC evokes strong feelings, both positive and negative. Forget it. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 12:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I wish to plagiarize work from Wikipedia to put on my college essay. Will you be angry/sue me if I do so? --ProductosLatvia (talk) 13:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This would be a fantastically bad idea. Besides being against the law (Wikipedia's reuse liscence, GFDL, requires attribution) it will likely not go well for you. I understand that many students believe that that are far smarter than their teachers, and will get away with such actions. Speaking as a teacher myself, you won't. Plagarism of this sort is fantastically easy to spot. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What if I copy it, then add a few spelling mistakes, and alter a few words? Would that be ok? --ProductosLatvia (talk) 13:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you just take the necessary information from whatever article you need, and then present it in your own words? You don't have to act stupid with spelling mistakes then. Chamal ^Talk ± 13:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Me no stupid --ProductosLatvia (talk) 13:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think Me is making Big Joke for Benefit Wikipedia help desk Persons... If you're joking, then that's pretty funny. :-) If you're serious, then the answer is a strong, loud and clear "No, that is Not OK." Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 13:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I like turtles --ProductosLatvia (talk) 13:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I will stop trolling, wow that blew about 20 mins. Cya --ProductosLatvia (talk) 13:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Imagine how much better the world would be if evolution had wired the human brain to get pleasure by doing things that are constructive. Actually, a few human brains are wired that way, hence we have Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 18:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Music Genres in the Background Information

I have noticed that the "Genre(s)" section at the background information of music bands pages at the webstite disappeared. That section was very useful to me and, I suppose, to other users.

What is the reason of this disappearance?

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.1.47.30 (talk) 15:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Genre' was earlier available as a field in the Infobox used for articles on music artists and bands. That field has been removed from Template:Infobox Musical artist per consensus reached through the discussion here. Chamal ^talk _work 15:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Started articles?

I'm drawing a blank right now; what's the best way to see a list of all the articles I've started? Special:NewPages only goes back a month. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 15:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you are logged in, click the "my contributions" link at the top of the page or go to Special:Contributions/HelloAnnyong. – ukexpat (talk) 15:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~I was hoping for a cleaner solution than "go through all 9000+ of my edits." :/~~ Just saw the "Articles created" link at the bottom. toolserver.org seems to be dragging a bit, but it worked. Thanks. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 15:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Help Desk/Preview before post

JustbeBPMF (talk) 17:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep...? What's up? _Gb^T/c 17:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If your post here is related the deletion discussion of the page linked in your title, you are welcome to comment in that discussion. Just click here to do so.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Williams,alex gar-field football player

this offensive and defensive lineman should be looked at very closely, with his size and speed and a little help he can be one of the best on both sides of the ball with his versatility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballfan21 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The top of this page has some instructions which briefly explain what this page is for, and unfortunately they aren't always looked at very closely. Also note that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball; on Wikipedia, when we write about people, we focus more on what they have done than on what they might do in the future. Speculating on the future of American football players is particularly dicey, as each player is always one play away from a career-ending injury. See for example Ki-Jana Carter, who entered the National Football League with great potential, but suffered a devastating injury in his first pre-season game, and never fully recovered. --Teratornis (talk) 19:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

change of email

i have lost my password and my email due to change of my isp. now i cant get the reset password to email me my new password. please help me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.125.48 (talk) 18:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I may be able to help, but I am a little confused at your second sentence. Maybe you can contact me at my User talk and rephrase that part. --Archeopteryx (talk) 19:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bug another

Hey. There is a user, user:archeopteryx I want to destroy because i am a vandal. How can this be done? contact me on talk page--Archeopteryx's worst enemy (talk) 18:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked indefinitely.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Destroying someone is very difficult over the Internet, but I hear trolling can be effective... of course, you're already well-schooled in that, so I'm sure I won't need to give you any pointers. *bows to Fuhghettaboutit* Thank you for making the world a better place. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 01:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're right about that :) Best question I've seen here so far. Chamal ^talk _work 03:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I dare say this is a good block. Master&Expert (Talk) 04:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

proofs in articles

OK, first off: I'm not sure if this is the right place for this; is there a better place to ask?

QUESTION: Wikipedia has loads and loads of good articles on mathematics, but many of them state results with no proof. I would like to see proofs of every assertion in every mathematical article. I would go further and say that wikipedia really must (eventually) include such proofs. And I'm happy to make a start in the areas that I know something about. But I'm not sure what the best way to do this would be. Consider Weierstrass elliptic function as an example. There are loads of good statements in there, none of which have a proof. Adding a proof to each statement in the article itself would make the article unreadable (not only would it be too long: also the reader would lose the thread). Perhaps including sub-pages along the lines of proof that the laurent series of the weierstrass elliptic function is indeed what we claim it to be or proof of assertion 75 in the page on Weierstrass elliptic functions would be better . . . but this can't be optimal either.

Shorter pages have their own problems. Consider example of a game with no value. This has one "interesting" result: that two certain quantities (game values) cannot possibly be equal (one is less than 1/3 and one is greater than 3/7). And the proof of this fact is rather long and boring and technical and unedifying. But I feel that the proof is notable and must eventually become part of wikipedia. But adding a link to proof that the example of a game without a value does in fact have no value is a bit lame.

How do the serried ranks of wiki editors suggest that we add proofs to each and every mathematical assertion in a page? Robinh 19:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

The right place for this is WT:WPM. The current situation vis-a-vis proofs is summarized at WP:MSM#Proofs. There's some previous discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Proofs. Algebraist 19:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm sure that WPM and WP:MSM denizens will have a more nuanced and detailed position than I, my off-the-cuff response would be to note that Wikipedia isn't intended to be a repository of primary source material. Where we make non-obvious statements of fact in our articles we should provide appropriate references and citations from reliable sources, but we don't need to include entire proofs. (For example, our article on Fermat's last theorem briefly discusses the techniques used to complete the proof, but includes the actual nuts and bolts only by reference to Wiles' and Taylor's published papers.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other things to look at:

See WP:NOT#HOWTO, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, which might peripherally relate to adding the technical details of proofs for every mathematical assertion. (Later edit: I don't know whether these apply or not, but you should understand these guidelines before discussing the addition of proofs, because someone else might bring them up. Always be prepared.)
Examine some featured articles about mathematics. Featured articles represent the best content on Wikipedia. Thus the featured articles about mathematics illustrate the current consensus of Wikipedia editors as how to best write about math topics encyclopedically. If you know how to make those articles even better, perhaps you can shift the consensus, by discussing on WT:WPM.
Wikipedia makes lots of claims without necessarily supporting them with prose right next to the claims. For example, the article about the Sun gives the mass of the Sun, but doesn't detail all the work that goes into determining that value. Ultimately, however, Wikipedia might contain (if it doesn't already) articles that describe all the theoretical and experimental tools which allow scientists to confidently report the mass of the Sun. See WP:BUILD.

If you want to collaboratively edit anything that isn't suitable for Wikipedia (which is not to say proofs aren't - I have no idea), there are many other wikis. {{Google}} for some:

math wiki

That finds several results, including a Mathematics Wikia where the rules are presumably different than on Wikipedia. (No one is likely to start another wiki which works exactly the way Wikipedia does, because Wikipedia is already the 800 pound gorilla in that space, so when you see another wiki that has some content overlap with Wikipedia, it almost certainly will have different rules for content.) --Teratornis (talk) 19:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys. I didn't know about WP:MSM#Proofs; but I don't agree with it. Neither did I know about Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Proofs (would it be better to continue discussion there?). But I'd not thought about proofs being primary source material (my thinking suggests that proofs are more likely to be criticized for being OR). But rephrasing and wikifying a proof that one sees in a classic textbook should be part of wikipedia, no? Robinh 19:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I quite like the mass of the Sun example. Why not create a page History of estimation of the mass of the Sun then (I am not offering to do this! :-). But maths is different, I would say, in that proofs are the sine qua non of the subject. Robinh 19:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Almost certainly Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Proofs would be the place to continue discussion on this topic. (And if they shoot you down there, look at Mathematics Wikia and other wikis.) This Help desk is very general and can only superficially address such technical issues. We merely point the way to the proper venues. As to documenting the history of mass estimation of the Sun, I haven't searched Wikipedia to see what Wikipedia already has on the subject. Presumably this would be a special case of calculating the mass of all astronomical bodies, and might be covered in Orbital mechanics or Astrophysics. The point is that Wikipedia has an enormous amount of existing content, and it continues to gain more content at a furious rate, so before suggesting any new addition, one should carefully look to see if the material is already in Wikipedia somewhere, and then link to it. Plus the consensus on Wikipedia continually evolves, so if you aren't satisfied with Wikipedia today, check back in a year. --Teratornis (talk) 19:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent) Another option, and perhaps a really good one, is to include links to proofs where originally published, as footnotes via<ref> tags or as external links. The casual reader may not need to see the entire exhaustive proof, and may lack the knowledge to understand how it works, but ALL articles should strive to be referenced to quality outside sources. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Am I allowed to cut-and-paste the above discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Proofs? Robinh 19:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

As long as you attribute where it was cut and paste from. At the top of the pasted section, you could include a link to the dif of the version you pasted, and in the edit summary, say "Copied and pasted from discussion at Wikipedia:Help desk or some such should be sufficient for GFDL purposes. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I would estimate the probability of my doing this correctly at about

10^{-10^{10}}

. Any chance of you doing it for me? Robinh 20:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

(undent) You can just link to this discussion, and then summarize whatever points you want to draw from it. The Help desk archives its pages after several days, so the eventual location of this discussion will change. Currently, the link is:

Wikipedia:Help desk#proofs in articles

The permanent link to the revision right before I add this latest comment is:

permanent link

The archive link will eventually be (when the following link turns from red to blue):

Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2008 October 11#proofs in articles

The above discussion does not flow very well, and expecting a new crowd to slog through it would weaken your case. One idea would be to make a user subpage where you write whatever case you want to make, collecting whatever points you need from the above discussion and writing them in your own words. Then you can take that to the appropriate discussion page. Also be aware that some of our comments above (particularly mine) might appear uninformed to people who have been heavily involved in WikiProject Mathematics for some time. They might have already gone over some of these points and retired them. The more time you spend studying what they have already done, the more likely you are to frame your suggestions in reference to that existing material, and avoid being immediately dismissed as a newb. --Teratornis (talk) 21:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 12

article referencing as per GFDL

Just wanted to double check,

If an article is translated from en:wp into some foreign language wikipedia, do we have to cite the en:wp article as a source of reference as far as GFDL licensing is concerned? Isn't it redundant to do so, or are other language wikis not considered in-house? Thanks. --Zereshk (talk) 00:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you wanna be a stickler about things (and we should), then none of the Wikipedias (including en:wp) are reliable sources (by Wikipedia's own definition). We shouldn't be copy/pasting the, even after translation... The correct way to do this—and it is the difficult way as well, unfortunately— is to get all of the sources used by the other Wikipedia, double-check the accuracy of the cites reflected in the foreign language Wikipedia, and then cite the same sources in the en:wp. If you don't double-check everything you could be propagating "sneaky vandalism" from one Wikipedia to another. I am familiar with a case in which anti-US propaganda was inserted into an article on a foreign Wikipedia in a manner that made it look as though it was coming from a legitimate source.. but the article's text was precisely the opposite of what the cited source stated. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 00:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When copying content from one Wikipedia page to another, whether or not it is between different language editions, the source page should be mentioned somewhere (for example in the edit summary) to satisfy the GFDL. See Category:Wikipedia translation templates for additional ways to specify the source when a page from another language is translated to English. I imagine many Wikipedia language editions have similar templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template column spacing

Why are the columns at {{USStateChiefJustices}} squeezing together?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks OK to me. Maybe something to do with your browser? Chamal ^talk _work 03:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability requirements for restaurants?

I was browsing through "Category:Restaurant stubs" and it does seem that there is no consistent rule for what constitutes having enough notability for inclusion on Wikipedia. For example is the oldest Indian takeout in Glasgow Scotland notable enough? Is a restaurant notable because they have a Michelin-starred chef on staff? Seems to me this could use some cleanup, but I'm wary of jumping because the notability guidelines are not clear (as well as my own limited editing time). --Kickstart70-T-C 03:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would say restaurants fall under the same guidelines as businesses, namely WP:CORP, specifically the header for commercial organizations. Does the article cite reliable sources? That's always the surest bet to establish notability. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 03:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

email received

Receieved a email from Admin at the Vietnam wikipedia, but never joined Vietnam Wikipedia. As i cant read it am unsure what it says. How can i find out why admin at the Vietnam wikipedia would wish to contact me ? Boylo (talk) 03:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I recieved a bundle of these type of 'welcome' emails after enabling the Single user login function. It may have been due to this, with random language wiki's 'welcoming' you by script as your username was registerd on all wikimedia wiki's. Nanonic (talk) 04:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks for the reply, thats probably it then, as enabled single user log in a few days ago. Boylo (talk) 04:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Person Data

Where does the Person Data stuff that is hidden at the bottom of biographical articles show up? I see links in there all the time but if it doesn't show up in the article, what's the point of linking terms within it? Dismas|^(talk) 03:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Persondata may give you some insights. Nanonic (talk) 04:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting vandalism

Hi, my name on-wiki is Master and Expert. I am an infrequent contributor to Wikipedia, but intend to do more over time. Recently I tried to get into anti-vandalism, countering the humour of the vandals by reverting them. However, I find I am much too slow to get to the vandalism - by then somebody with huggle manages to revert it in no time at all. I was then interested in using this tool myself. But one of the requirements for huggle is to have something called rollback permissions, which is given to experienced vandalfighters. I didn't bother to request for it - I am not experienced enough to be a rollbacker. Yet, I don't know how I can contribute to this area of Wikipedia without using Huggle, because I can never seem to get to the vandalism in time. What alternative methods are available? Master&Expert (Talk) 04:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See the list of tools at WP:CVU. I'd say Twinkle is the most used and most effective tool after huggle. Before you ask for rollback, it's best to edit some more and get familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Cheers. Chamal ^talk _work 04:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. But I actually already looked at Twinkle. I don't use Firefox, but rather IE. Plus, it'd still likely be slower than Huggle. But I'll give it a shot, thank you. :) Master&Expert (Talk) 04:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I usually look at Special:RecentChanges for edits done by IP addresses. I'd say that in my experience about 1/3rd of them are vandalism and I pretty much always get there ahead of automated tools. --Kickstart70-T-C 05:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Page

Where do you go to create a whole new page?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by King Cobb (talk • contribs) 06:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Your first article.

Ensure that you have an account and you are logged in. If you don't have an account, create one
Make sure the subject is notable enough to have their own article
Find references
Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box to the left (←) and clicking 'Search'
Type the page name in the search box to the left (←) and click 'Go'
Click 'Create this page'
Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines
Be aware that Wikipedia deletes thousands of new articles for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are at extra risk of deletion, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones

Cheers. Chamal ^talk _work 07:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

How do I put a picture of the topic on its pagePresidentgeek95 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Basically, what you have to do is type [[Image:Example.jpg]], where Example.jpg is the name of the image. But you will probably need to change it's size, and provide a caption etc. Wikipedia:Images will give you more details. Cheers. Chamal ^talk _work 09:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Collapsing on tables (colour of "[hide] / [show]")

Resolved

Just wondering if there is any way to force the hide/show tag on collapsible tables to a certain colour. Like, for instance white on this article section (for the "2008 NHL Entry Draft (WHL) Picks table"). Thanks in advance. Much appreciated. — Hucz (talk) 08:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the font color might work (I'll experiment after posting this). Having said that, and speaking solely for myself, I don't recommend it. I'd like to see templates have a fairly standardized set of color schemes. More importantly, light-colored text on a dark background gives me headaches (though a single word, as in this case, probably wouldn't do so). I'll go experiment now... Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 08:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, you'd have to fool with the template itself, assuming it's even possible. This becomes even less and less advisable, from my point of view. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 08:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not even a template, it's a class. I'd have to spend several minutes looking into whether there's an easy answer to this question... but I'm thinking you need to accept the link color as it is. Perhaps others have more info. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 08:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First off, thanks for all the help. You're awesome! I noticed that on navboxes, you can change the colour of hide/show when you change the title bar color (they both get changed). Like the template Template:British Columbia Sports. Maybe this is helpful for you? Anyways, thanks for the time and effort you put into this. — Hucz (talk) 09:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Figured it out. style="color: inherit". Thanks for the help. — Hucz (talk) 09:32, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Texture Filtering

Hello,

Ive noticed that you dont have an example picture at the "Texture Filtering" page and i dont know how to edit pages on Wiki, so please, type in google pictures "i'll add texture filtering" and add that picture as an example to the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.201.199.33 (talk) 08:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello anon, and thank you for your kind offer of a picture. :) If the image is a free image, it can be uploaded at Wikimedia Commons, the central free media depository of the Wikimedia Foundation. Unlike the English Wikipedia, the Commons only requires that you create an account, whereas here, you must be autoconfirmed (an automatic status gained after 4 days and 10 edits). Best wishes, PeterSymonds (talk) 08:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Combining categories

Is there any way to combine two categories to view pages that are common to both categories? Like if I wanted to see which articles are in Category:High-importance cricket articles and Category:Stub-Class cricket articles both? 202.124.189.103 (talk) 12:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See http://toolserver.org/~dschwen/intersection/ PrimeHunter (talk) 13:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No idea how to create my page

I tried using html, and I read all of the other wikipedia info and I'm seriously confused. Can someone fix my page up? I spent some time on it and I really don't want it deleted. The article is "Fight The Scene." It's a big mess right now. For the band image, I want to upload this picture - http://g.virbcdn.com/cdnImages/resize_510x1500/Image-140445-1051213-DSC01631.jpg . Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petrie182 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~wow -~~ i could theoretically fix some of that for you, but it's more useful if you learn how to do that yourself. i really recommend getting acquainted with wiki editing principles - for example by studying the WP:Tutorial and/or by trying your hand at small edits of pre-existing articles first. since you've worked on that page some, maybe you can transplant it to your own user space to work on at leisure, learn wiki mark-up and so on.

you may also need to get better acquainted with wikipedia's notability criteria.

meanwhile, wikilinks are created by putting double square brackets around words/phrases - [[Fight The Scene]], for example, ends up looking/working like this: Fight The Scene. and you should "sign" your posts on places like this "help page" by putting four tildes - like this: ~~~~ - at the end. Sssoul (talk) 16:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I reformatted the page but it will not stick in its present state. It currently has a proposed deletion template on it which anyone can remove including you, but it's also currently subject to speedy deletion as an article on a band which fails to give any indication of importance (section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion). In that regard, if the band is unsigned as the article says, and is not already know in the wider world—not written about in reliable sources—then it should not have an article on Wikipedia. Can you add some information on the band's importance to the page?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When the first reply starts with "wow," that's usually not good. Also read WP:WWMPD, and WP:COI since your username suggests you are personally involved with the article's subject. In particular, see WP:WWMPD#If all else fails, try another wiki. There are lots of other wikis, and some specialize in music, without Wikipedia's bothersome notability requirements. Find some with {{Google}}:

music wiki

For example, check out Fuse, Music Wiki & Forum, etc. --Teratornis (talk) 18:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wow duly stricken - it was past its best-by date anyway 8) Sssoul (talk) 18:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious sources

Is it proper to cite sources that require registration to view content on the site? —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 18:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My initial response would be no, but you should present a more indepth question to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. — Realist² 18:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

off the top of my head, i reckon it depends. a lot of very reputable newspapers have online versions that require registration, and although i don't know what wiki policy is on using sites like that as references, the registration requirement in itself wouldn't make them "dubious sources". less than optimally useful as links, yes, but not dubious as sources. Sssoul (talk) 18:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec x 2)As long as the information you are citing is not controversial it should not be a problem, it is basically the same as citing an offline source such as a book, which is permissible. When citing such a source you should cite it as if it was an offline source though, using proper citation style, not just a link.Icewedge (talk) 18:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We are allowed to cite books which require spending money to view them (if we ignore libraries which lend out books). I don't see how a registration requirement (by itself) is any more relevant to judging the reliability of a source than the fact that books also present the reader with some inconvenience. It would be nice if the whole world would adopt the GFDL but we're not there yet. However, if the material you are citing is about some fairly recent notable event, often there are multiple online sources you can cite. In that case it pays to search for sources that are convenient for the reader. See WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, and WP:CITET for instructions on how to make featured-quality citations. --Teratornis (talk) 19:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the curious, I asked this question because I was unsure about articles citing the NY times website, which appears to require registration to access some features. I couldn't view a certain source because I wasn't registered with the site, so I was wondering if even highly-regarded newspapers such as the New York Times can be cited if not everyone has access. Best, —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 21:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Can't find my article

Hi

i wrote an article (on a poet called Peter Blum).

i can see it on my User Page -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Klipfontein.

But i can't find it when using the Wikipedia Search function.

How do I get my article listed?

Thanks Klipfontein (talk) 18:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your article is currently in your userspace. To publish it it needs to be in the mainspace. As I see you have been here long enough that the software will let you move pages, click the tab at the top of your userpage that says move and then enter the new title as the guys name. Icewedge (talk) 18:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

meaning of names

hello. I am looking for the meaning of one particular name. When I searched a lot of names came up and there was no place for me to put one name.thank you 76.180.114.13 (talk) 18:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you be more specific? If we knew exactly what information you were looking for (which name?!?) we could point you in the right direction! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you can't find information about this specific name here on Wikipedia, you could also try Behind The Name, which has nearly every name under the sun and its origins/meaning. Otherwise, you could just tell us the name, and we could try to locate it for you. Cheers, —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 21:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Also, comments like these might be more appropriate at the reference desk. I c eUnshattered ^{[ t ]} 23:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't see article text when editing...

thanks, Icewedge, for previous help.

The article is now in the main space (why don't the instructions say to do that? i searched EVERYWHERE. weird..)

Anyhoo- when you visit my article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Blum), the text appears twice.

When I click edit to remove the text, I can't see any of the text in the edit window.

How do I then delete the erroneous text?

Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Klipfontein (talk • contribs) 19:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i don't know why you couldn't see the text after clicking the "edit this page" tab at the top. i could see it just fine, so i eliminated the duplicate part. i hope it looks okay to you now. Sssoul (talk) 19:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Random question

i am taking up my nls exam i want u guys to please mail me relevent general knowledge question to (email address removed) .can u please do thi one favour for me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.192.192.231 (talk) 19:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, no, sorry. This page is for questions about using Wikipedia - do you have one? I have removed your email address from your post as this page is highly visible on the internet. _Gb^T/c 19:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Red Warning label

Hi. How can I produce a message/label at the top of my talk page in bold red font? Also, since Archeopteryx is a secondaccount name, would you recommend posting text from my old talk page to my new one as well? Contact me at my talk page, thanks.--Archeopteryx (talk) 21:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Melvin Mora

The history and content of Talk:Melvin Mora appear to have been reverted to a version from about a year ago--at least, I remember adding something a few months ago, and it's not there (okay, it is now, I just put it back). Is there any way to tell what happened, or fix it, or do we need to live with it as it is? Ma^t_chups 21:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, according to the page history, your edit was the first edit to that talk page in about a year. All contributions should remain in a page's history, per the GFDL, unless there is an oversight issue involved. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 23:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you are thinking of this user talk edit about Melvin Mora, but forgot where it was. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

How can I load pictures on a Wikipedia website?

Presidentgeek95 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Presidentgeek95 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have two options. The first is that you could join our sister site, Wikimedia Commons, which allows you to upload any picture which you have the rights to, free and clear (i.e. you made it yourself, not copied it from somewhere else) and uploading it there will allow the picture to be used at ANY Wikimedia site (Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikinews, etc.) in ANY language. The other option is to upload directly to Wikipedia. Doing so requires that you have been autoconfirmed, which requires that you have been a member for 4 days and have made a minimum of 10 edits. Once you are autoconfirmed, there will be a new link in your toolbox to the left, which says "Upload file". A wizard there will walk you through the upload process. Wikipedia (and all Wikimedia websites) has strict policies on the usage of images, and these policies can be found at WP:IMAGE and WP:IUP. Failure to abide by these policies correctly will result in your image being deleted, so please take care, and make sure you know what you are doing. If you don't, and have some more specific questions, please feel free to ask here. Good luck! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 23:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

new redirects minor or major edits?

Hello, when you make a new redirect, do you call that a major edit or a minor one? Thanks. LovesMacs (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can call it either a minor edit or a major edit. Neptune5000 (talk) 00:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 13

DRAGNET

There was an actual movie named DRAGNET starring Jack Webb made in 1954 or 1955. In the filmography for Jack Webb the movie is listed, but when clicked on, what is written is about the television series, not the movie.

The movie begins with three men driving out into the countryside (I can't remember the actual location). One of the men carries a double barrelled shotgun and shoots one of the other men. He then re-loads and shoots the dead man again. From there on I don't remember much of the movie other than Joe Friday and his partner spend the rest of the movie solving the mystery.

I have watched for the movie to be shown on TV for years. Even though it may have been shown, I have never seen it.

I hope some of this information will help other readers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwalbin (talk • contribs) 02:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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