User talk:Robdurbar

From March 19 I will be in Glasgow for a week, and will thus not be contributing to Wikipedia, or be able to respond to any messages.

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Take it easy when reverting

You reverted my good edit. I've fixed it now, but please be more careful in the future. Thanks for reverting vandalism! — David Remahl 12:19, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Democratic peace theory

Thank you for doing, unsolicited, what I have been trying to do for months. Please keep watching the page; much of the text you removed was inserted by User:Ultramarine, who is fairly likely to revert to his pet version, and claim vandalism and censorship. See his page on Requests for Comment: Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Ultramarine. Septentrionalis 16:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

This comes under be bold, I think. Please do continue to be bold; after, of course, you've considered my reasons for restoring my favorite text. ;-> Septentrionalis 15:12, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

As I suggested on the talk page, my work here is done; (or will be done when Ultramarine stops reverting <sigh>): I will probably continue to read references and expand on them from time to time; but I would not make major changes to the present text. Please do produce a trimmed version of the intro; I'd like to see what you have in mind. There are two relatively short but detailed paragraphs I could add to the article;I've described them in reply to your comments. Septentrionalis 22:25, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you; my reasons for altering your merge are these:

• I do not think Kant can be accurately described as holding that democracy brings peace; if you disagree, please explain.
• My source on Wells was his book, The War that will End War.
• I find all of Ultramarine's edits excessive both in their mentions of Rummel and their defense of his DPT - and this carried over into the text you took from his edits.
• I think Robert West wrote a good summary of the case against Germany 1914 being a democracy, and see no need to go on at length.

I fully accept the intro section as tweaked; please continue. Septentrionalis 21:34, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Please don't be driven out by Ultrmarine's whining for his own text; I found a neutral observer very helpful. Septentrionalis 13:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I am sorry that you find editing DPT to be a chore, rather than a pleasure. If I have done anything to make it less pleasurable, I apologize. Robert A West 22:17, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Durham University

You might be interested in my comments at Talk:University of Durham in the name and logo section. - Green Tentacle 15:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry - I missed your inuse tag. I'll go and edit something else for a bit.. Secretlondon 22:54, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Cumbrian railway lines

Hi

Thanks for your message. The reason I reverted your changes is because the station info boxes are supposed to show which station precedes/follows the station in question. Even though the Furness line ends at Lancaster, all TransPennine services continue to Preston. However, as preston isn't on the furness line I have reworded it as Manchester Airport-Barrow service, but kept the link to the furness line. For the Windermere service I've changed the link to WCML since lancaster-oxenholme is not the windermere line, but it displays as Manchester Airport-Windermere service.

For oxenholme station info box I've simply put lancaster in brackets as preceding station to show that 1) not all trains go to lancaster, and 2) it's not on the windermere branch.

Any suggestions or comments welcome.

Our Phellap 17:51, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

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I've had another thought...

e.g. Lancaster station

Preceding station	National Rail			Following station
Preston		TransPennine Express (West Coast Main Line and Furness Line)		Arnside

This saves having too many boxes and also shows that services use more than one route. Similarly for Oxenholme and windermere branch/wcml. I will be away for a few days so feel free to make any changes you think sensible. I think it's a good idea to limit the number of boxes to save making the article look a mess. Our Phellap 22:48, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Rail Lines

Hey - notice you're adding as many rail stations as I have been recently. Newbies like us are enthusiastic, aren't we ? What lines are you thinking of working on next, so I don't start doing them and find them already finished? Cheers Liam doktorb 13:49, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

learn to move

If you had moved Wlimslow railway station to Wilmslow railway station instead of copying and pasting, you would never have had to mark the old title for deletion. And if the article had had an edit history you would have been seriously violating Wiki policy by using cut and paste. -- RHaworth 09:57:08, 2005-09-08 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Allegation

"Sockpuppet|1=Earth|evidence=[1]. See the history on Gary's Talk Page where Robdurbar and Earth libel me at regular intervals."

Just though I'd leave this here for now, its a copy of the text for the template that alledges that I am a sockpuppet of User:_earth. User:Garywbush decided to put on my page, in response to allegations about HIS sockpuppetry, as oppose to actually making his own case.

Diffs

Diffs are comparisons between a version of a page and the previous version of the page. The usual way to puts diffs in an RfC or RfAr is to display the History page, and then either select two versions and Compare them, or click the Last button, which displays the diffs between that version and the prior version. The resulting URL can then be pasted into the RfC or RfAr. For more help, go to the Wikipedia:Village pump. Robert McClenon 03:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The diff is the URL enclosed in single brackets, like an external link. It will automagically change into an footnote. Septentrionalis 23:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Ultramarine's arbitration

Has been accepted, and is at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ultramarine/Evidence. I have presented your statements at some length, but you may wish to speak for yourself. (This will not involve you in the arbitration.) The preceeding comments suggest you may already know this; if so consider my message a formality. Septentrionalis 23:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Hania Mufta

Sorry about that, but there are no Jordan stub categories. I did what I could. Xhin 23:53, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

London Olympics

Good call to change the London Olympics into a disambiguation page. I've taken it one step further, though, and turned it into an actual article. I hope that works well enough for you. violet/riga (t) 21:01, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Olympic articles

Thank you for your involvement with the 2012 Olympic articles - what you have suggested seems very good and was what I was hoping to work towards. Sadly CalJW has refused to discuss any form of compromise and I hardly felt like dealing with someone whose initial involvement was to revert the "devastation" that my hours of hard work had achieved. For the record, no information was deleted, just merged into the appropriate place to avoid duplication. The structure you have put in place should work well, and I hope that CalJW can see that too. violet/riga (t) 11:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

The DPT as featured article

How do you feel about nominating the DPT for featured status? Ultramarine 00:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Good, more feedback regarding the article is welcome. Good picture you found and added. Ultramarine 23:10, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Comments

Well, actually I had the sudden idea to list all the strange things I have been accused of. Probably a bad idea, so it was good you removed it. Ultramarine 20:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Chav: Anti Social....

I figured it could've tied in to Anti-Social behaviour, but nevertherless I see your point. :-)

List of best selling music artists

I semi protected the page. Not sure if you know about semi protection but it'll allow people like you to cleanup the article without having to constantly look over your shoulder at anons and new users vandalizing it. If you need help, cleaning it up, let me know. Wikifying and cleaning up articles is basically what I do outside of admin work. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 02:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Football World Cup move

As a regular contributor to football articles you may wish to vote at talk:Football World Cup Jooler 10:37, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

List of best-selling music artists

Thank you very much for your help. --Felyx 00:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

About The Jacksons

I wasnt trying to sound mean if thats what it sounds like and I'm sorry if I did. I know that most of the artist are here but, when one was forgotton that has been on the last list and they qualify with the citations I had to put them on like The Jacksons. This list is a very good remake and thank you for doing it

Vicky Leandros

Responded on Wikipedia talk:Greek Wikipedians' notice board. She was famous in the 70's, but still releases the occasional album. The website in question does indeed claim 150 million career sales, but her career stretches back to the late 60's. Hope this is of help. Segv11 ^{(talk/contribs)} 20:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

DPT subarticles

I now think that DPT(statistical studies) is simply redundant. Close reading of the paragraphs tells me that most of them stand there as they stood in DPT when you invited me back to it; Ultramarine did not trim them at all. I could, of course, edit them there too, but why?

DPT(specific historical examples) consists of Ultramarine's claims on why Rummell was right on every war since Waterloo. Ultramarine is simply wrong on some of these; on most he is irrelevant (Rummell was right, but only by constricting his definition of democracy beyond all reason). It may, however, be a place for some useful notes on the specific wars, if you think them too long for the main article.

These two are is Category:Democratic Peace Theory, so I didn't bother, here to spell them interminably out.

Democratic peace theory (Correlation is not causation) was original arguments from Ultramarine: why the competition is wrong. (He cited sourced facts, but the arguments are his own.) Feel free to take out the redirect if you disagree, but I would rather not take on these strawmen again, if it can be avoided. Septentrionalis 04:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've finished my analysis of Democratic peace theory (Statistical studies supporting the DPT); see its Talk. . I merged a few sentences back into DPT. One sentence doesn't fit. And there's an account of Rummell's criteria, which I'm moving into R.J. Rummell. Let me know what you think; if you objecti to deletion, I'd be hapy to make the article a user subpage, and let you rewrite it. Septentrionalis 06:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I do not intend - I never intended- to fight an edit war. Most of the changes I have made to DPT (this year) are taking the starch and verbosity out of Ultramarine's prose. If he insists on putting them back, I will strive for mere English.

I rely on you as a double-check. If you think I have, at any time, omitted a significant detail, please put it back. Septentrionalis 15:49, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe that Democratic peace theory (Specific historic examples) is really Why Rummell is always right, and Democratic peace theory (Correlation is not causation) is Why other peace theories are wrong). I intend to so move them, taking out the redirect, unless you think differently. Septentrionalis 15:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandal

You accused me off being a vandal, where's your evidence? --Dunenewt 17:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Compromise

I have compromised; I was glad of the ArbCom decision because it might induce more offers of compromise. Please don't confuse me with Ultramarine's image of me; he, after all, has put up a totally-disputed tag on the grounds that he disagrees with statements that were last in the article almost three months ago.

The only factual disputes he has ever put forward are that

• Wilhelmine Germany was a despotism.
• Wells did not invoke the democratic peace

The present text claims neither of these; If it mentions Germany at all, that is an oversight. Septentrionalis 22:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar regarding the FA Cup Final article. I really appreciate it. -- Slumgum 19:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks also (totally unrelated) for fixing up the Celtic Nations page. Good job as of now. -GlamdringCookies 19:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

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I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor

not sure where to post this... Please see Talk:I Bet You Look Good On the Dancefloor. --Anthony5429 10:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Cobra123

Yeah, I noticed. Not a problem, as your edit was more thorough. Pepsidrinka 16:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Sports Franchising

I don't understand why you removed the reference (in Sports franchising) to WFC's move to Selhurst Park, since it is factual. You gave as your reason for reverting that "it wasn't permanent". Maybe the Directors said that it wasn't intended to be permanent, but selling Plough Lane sounds pretty permanent to me. Obviously a ground share is not a good idea, but they did spend best part of 12 years there. Maybe they hoped they'd win the lottery or something, because it wasn't going to happen just by closing their eyes ever so tightly and wishing very hard. Open land inside the M25 doesn't come cheap I think it needs to be restored unless you have more convincing reasons. --Concrete Cowboy 23:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I see what you are saying - but the section is about club relocations in particular, not just franchising.

Of course the whole application of the word "Franchising" to this case is faintly ridiculous and it doesn't do to look to closely at the term "Franchise FC" as it was applied to WFC. To me, franchising is when you want to set up a branch of Subway or Body Shop - you pay the franchise owners to use their branding (and their product). In the US certainly, the owners of the Red Socks are described as "owning the franchise" - on that basis you could say that Abramovich "bought the Chelsea franchise" and Glazer couldn't see what everybody was so excited about when he bought the MUFC franchise. [The fans expect their millionaire owners to do it as a hobby, not treat it like a leveraged buyout of BAA, for example]. The Norwegian owners of WFC didn't sell it to anyone, but they did decide to relocate it, hoping to get a new fan base (as happened in Livingston). I suppose you could call it "commoditisation" but "Commodity FC" doesn't have much of a ring to it. Arsenal (so called because their original players were employed by the Woolwoch Arsenal where the armaments were kept) just relocated across the river but I don't know why - maybe the War Office wanted the football ground in Woolwich to store more artillery in. The main thing that I wanted to show is that relocation out of area is not that unusual. Ok, 45 miles (from Marble Arch) to MK is more than most, but then again a lot of Londoners have made exactly the same relocation. --Concrete Cowboy 00:13, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

That was a good improvement to the article, but still needs work. Pittsburgh Athletic move 80 degrees west to Oakland. The equivalent move from London would be to Toronto, Canada or Novosibirsk, Russia. So moving 70 miles is hardly the same scale. So is the question one of distance? or buying a bankrupt club and then moving it (like Ardrie did and MK Dons didn't)? Just because a tag was attached doesn't make it immune from analyis. [If you think this discussion belongs on the talk page, feel free to move]. --Concrete Cowboy 16:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

The Independent was wrong

Lord Liverpool was appointed in 1812, following the assassination of Spencer Perceval. David | Talk 15:47, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Hi mate,

As one of the users with whom I often have contact with, I thought you would like to know that I have decided to throw my hat into the ring for RfA. At present I need a few more supporting votes to secure adminship (despite all the opposing votes' reasons being clarified!) but, as a Wikipedians who I am often involved with, I felt you might be a good potential advocate. Obviously I do not want to unduely trouble you, but I would be most greatful for your support.

On a more business matter, I think we can settle the country dispute once and for all with my last proposed wording - I'm gonna put some hidden text warning users not to edit that hotly disputed section without discussion.

Cheers, DJR (Talk) 08:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, guess what's back

Ultramarine has recreated his subarticle on why there have been no wars between democracies, word for word; do you still want it deleted? See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Democratic peace theory (Specific historic examples). Septentrionalis 17:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I found your shortenings very helpful; nonwithstanding the deletions of some of my best purple prose. The main article is about due for another trim.... But I do object to the recrudescence of deleted articles. Septentrionalis 17:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

re: Football World Cup 2006

Rankings must be kept at December 2005 standings, because such rankings were used for the draw into specific groups. I have reverted your changes, but will listen to any argument that the draw was done otherwise. — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 19:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry that I had reverted your changes needlessly. That was an error on my part. I have addressed the issue on the talk page, and we'll go from there. Sorry for any confusion. Further questions, refer to my talk page. Sorry again — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 23:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for voting on my RfA, it passed with a final tally of 68/0/0 so I'm now an administrator. If there's anything I can do to help, you feel I've done something wrong, or there's just something you want to tell, don't hesitate to use my talk page. Thanks. - Bobet 10:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi! Thanks for your support in my request for adminship (did you know that "adminiship" is not an English word? Unbelievable!). It ended with a tally of (51/0/0). As an administrator, I hope to better help this project and its participants: if you have any question or request, please let me know. - Liberatore(T) 12:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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Provocateur finally replies

Thanks for the welcome, Robdurbar. I've actually done a lot of editing as an anonymous user, (including cleaning up after myself!); after a couple of suggestions to do so I've finally gotten an account. Think my priority is to continue fixing some of my old edits for now, but am a bit busy. Will endeavour to follow the 5 pillars - thanks. Cheers Provocateur 07:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

This user thinks it is ironic that thanks for supporting Cyde's successful RFA came in the form of a userbox.

Here's a userbox for you. --Cyde Weys 04:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the nomination

Thanks again, Robdurbar, for your kind nomination for adminship, which I am glad to accept! It arrived about the same time as a nasty case of the flu, so I haven't felt up to starting the process yet, but I'm still grateful for your vote of confidence and will get going with it later on the weekend. Best wishes, ProhibitOnions 12:23, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

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I think I'm the bird on its head.

Thanks for your support in my RfA. It passed, with a final tally of 62/0/1. I'm touched by all the kind comments it attracted, and hope I'll be of some use with the new tools. You know where I am if you need to shout at me. Flowerparty? 15:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

James Blunt External Links

Hi Robdurbar - Noticed that you had removed all but one "fansite" from James Blunt article. I had noted in the discussion that there was good reason to keep two sites - one which is basically a fact site (not a forum) and the other a forum. If you do not agree with my reasoning, could you please take a moment to include your thoughts in the discussion? Thanks. Risker 20:38, 13 March 2006 (UTC)