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Hey, I am sure you know what is best, but this is not a very good idea - If you think that what just happened with those two AfDs was something, then I would say that it was a good thing that you weren't around a couple of months back. There have been really heated discussions and the whole nine yards in certain articles before, with really lame repurcussions. Nevertheless, since the board has been put up, things have gotten much better imo. It is not because the potential for fights over certain articles is not there, but it is simply because I feel people have seen that a different alternative and a willingness to do so was there. I know what is happening at those AfDs, but that is only a minor side-effect of what happened in the original AfD - and for the moment I feel that things have gotten much better since then. Anyways, just wanted to say that things are written in a continuity so it might not be a good idea to make rash decisions - wait until you see some other debates!! :)) Baristarim 23:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted back. It's good to hear that the board was useful. My edit was kinda childish I guess. I should contribute to the cooperation as well, and not give up. deniz^T_C 23:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If i may give my two cents on this recent dispute. Imo, I do not share Baris's optimism that things have got better, rather they have come to a standstill. Today we saw Greek editors again reverting and nominating together in TRNC, Turkish settlement and Kurdish genocide. We again saw the borderline racial slurs i.e. "I wonder how reliable the civilized world considers this" (Dom) or "Turkish POV pushing again; reminds me of this case" (referring to an afd of Armenian genocide which none of us were involved in-again by Dom), or Niko's "How shameful", and Niko like Dom trying to prejudice all Turkish editors with "My point is that I frankly detest organized POV push on most Turkish issues; the Armenian Genocide being a great example." (again I dont believe any of us have been greatly involved in the Armenian genocide article). To be honest, I think the recent arbitration on the Azeri-Armenian dispute should serve as a warning to all of us in how this can end. Perhaps it is something we should consider. --A.Garnet 00:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was TRNC also nominated for deletion? Can you give me a link to this Azeri-Armenian dispute rbitration you were mentioning? Thanks deniz^T_C 00:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No they were reverting in the TRNC article, misrepresenting the authority of a source. The Azeri-Aremnian arbitration can be seen here. Many of the editors in that arbitration will be banned or heavily constrained in how they edit (for example being allowed only one revert or being banned from certain topics). --A.Garnet 00:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Artaxiad was leaving because of some military duty or something. deniz^T_C 01:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose Garnet is right that things have rather come to a standstill. However, even that is good and it is a good idea not to be too hot-blooded and let things escalate. As for the Azeri-Armenian dispute Deniz, I have been watching it for a long time and it is nasty and most editors involved will either be banned or placed on parole; and everyone has been watching that case since it will set some sort of a "precedent" on how the Arbitration Commitee will deal with these nationality-based tensions (like Pakistan-India etc). And it looks like they will taking a very hardline about it. Therefore it is always good to take it easy and try to keep it cool if there is potential for tension. Baristarim 01:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Churches of Göreme, Turkey

THANKS! Your edits are most appreciated. LoveMonkey 01:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moving Denial of the Armenian Genocide

Turkey Districts images

I am going to ask you to STOP placing my images under the "images to be deleted" category on Commons. Unless you have a sufficient replacement for those images (if you download the image and reupload it under the turkish alpha title with proper credit for my creation), you cannot simply just ask for them to be deleted. You are destroying my hard work and I don't appreciate it. I am a member of the Wikiproject Turkey and have asked with no response why it is necessary to have these under such titles? It doesn't matter what the image title is, in most cases... and also, I cannot replicate some of the alphabet since I am in the US and the computer doesn't (always) readily allow for diacritics from some languages. So until the image is uploaded and properly replaced, please stop placing it under a delete category. Thank you. Rarelibra 00:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your quick reply. After seeing you have uploaded the maps with the proper attribution, I will go ahead and follow behind you and instead of just categorizing, I will have an admin initiate deletion of the images due to the duplicity with the ones that you are renaming. I also have to change the links on my pages to reflect linking to the new images. Thank you for doing this work, and thanks for understanding my paranoia... those maps took some time to create! :) Rarelibra 13:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey - when you are done with updating all of the Turkey districts maps I will put in a blanket request on Commons to delete the old ones. :) Rarelibra 14:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PKK

Cat:Terrorism in Turkey was again removed from the PKK article. KazakhPol 04:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, as in most others, I did not create the category. There were about 20 existing Terrorism in X articles before I created any. I suggested to Khoikhoi that if he believes the category violates WP:WTA then he should nominate it for deletion on WP:CFD. He responded on my talkpage. He said he does not want to because people would not vote for deletion... KazakhPol 04:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Igdir

I have discussed my additions regarding the Igdir history section on the Igdir talk page, please read and respond before reverting. -- Aivazovsky 22:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Ethnic cleansing" is not OR, read the document. -- Aivazovsky 22:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have references? Where can I access these statistics online? -- Aivazovsky 22:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted myself. -- Aivazovsky 22:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see, please use that as your reference. I also apologize if I came off sounding a bit brash earlier. -- Aivazovsky 22:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But I'm not Artaxiad, I'm Aivazovsky. I'll agree that Artaxiad has to clean up his act, but I discussed my edits first. -- Aivazovsky 23:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I made some minor edits and I directed the discussion to the talk page. -- Aivazovsky 23:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm so frustrated. You know, I thought you Turkish users were somewhat sensible and might be a little bit more sympathetic to us after Hrant Dink was shot. But I guess I was wrong. Case and point recent efforts by User:Maestroka to move Denial of the Armenian Genocide to Denial of the Armenian Genocide allegations, User:Doktor Gonzo trying to create an "Armenian terrorism" category, User:Makalp removing any mentioning of "ethnic cleansing" in the Iğdır Province despite references, and User:Oguz1 removing any and all mentions of the Armenian Genocide that he can get to. I thought they you would learn something, maybe be more sensitive towards us. Our people have suffered so much and now we're being humilated by your government. I don't want money or territory, nothing, no reparations, I just was Turkey to acknowledge the suffering of the Armenian people. Is that too much to ask? -- Aivazovsky 23:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Actually, you're perhaps one of the best Turkish editors to work with. You're willing to compromise and work out issues. It's so hard to do that with other users. All the best, Aivazovsky 23:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey

Okay. Artaxiad 07:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By the way you should enable your email feature, it helps users contacting you. Just a tip it can be helpful. Artaxiad 07:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I enabled it, but I don't check that e-mail address so often. deniz^T_C 10:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re

Haklisin.. Bana çok buyuk bir tesaduf gibi geldi. Her neyse, bakalim check-user ne diyecek. Bu arada çok fazla provoke olmamaya calis.. What's cooler than being cool? ice cold!! Baristarim 17:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Don't revert at Raki (3RR)..~~ Never mind, you are not at 3RR. Sorry! Baristarim 18:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, do you know what the problem is here? Baristarim 03:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did you wake up? are you sure?Must.^T ^C 22:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the tag some time ago. I was busy during the day. Now I am less busy. deniz^T_C 22:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

wake up

I saw, there is no "Denial" that you woke up.Kolay gelsin.Must.^T ^C 09:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- sorry for variable, What a stupidity,I forgat.Must.^T ^C 22:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian Genocide

I will raise the issue on the article's talk page, and remove the quote from the article for now. I believe that the quote is too specific, too detailed for the lead. Others may come to another conclusion. A discussion on the article's talk page will decide what happens with the quote. A ecis^Brievenbus 22:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have raised the issue at Talk:Armenian Genocide#Abdullah Gül's statement. I hope I have reflected your position correctly. If not, please do let me know so I can change the message accordingly. A ecis^Brievenbus 23:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Procedure

Please check that am I followed correct procedure or not.Must.^T ^C 15:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As for another checkuser - check this out [1].. Baristarim 03:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Users indef blocked because of this checkuser by Dmcdevit:

Vrastic (talk · contribs)
HayasaArmen (talk · contribs)
Lakers (talk · contribs) - I was amazed with this one
Fakers (talk · contribs)
Graeco (talk · contribs)
Mr. Barnstar (talk · contribs)
Kursarta (talk · contribs)
Mexicana (talk · contribs)
Russ (talk · contribs)
KURDBIJISTAN (talk · contribs)

lol - I wonder what else is going around here... :) Baristarim 04:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check

Please review your last revert before this. I made some changes, but couldn't see what the problem is with my former edits. --Scientia Potentia 20:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hagia Sophia

Hi. I undid your revision in that article. I know that u simple reverted to the previous version; however, i do not think that such a message in the beginning is necessary. if anyone wants citations about something, lets add a request and i will do my best to provide it. So far, i see nothing to be disputed or misleading enough to request a citation (correct me if wrong). Regards Hectorian 00:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, i forgot to revert the article (intended to do so after posting my comment here). I did now. I have no problem to provide citations, but i would like to know for which sentence or statement. I find it kinda ugly to have this message on the top, that's all. Hectorian 00:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

About the diaspora articles i replied in my talk. Ciao. Hectorian 01:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Choban salad

There is a proposal on the table to merge Çoban salatası with other kinds of chopped salad in the region into an article "Middle Eastern chopped salad". Your thoughts would be welcome in the discussion at Talk:Çoban salatası. --Macrakis 15:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bir Kahve molası verirmisin.Must.^T ^C 22:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PKK/Turkey

I tried Template:Casualties of the Turkey-PKK conflict for name of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Turkish-Kurdish_conflict. Now, OttomanRefence is trying.

Khoikhoi did not accept it. Khoi said that Uğur Kaymaz was a civilian Kurdish, he was killed, so it is not only PKK-Turkey conflict. But, current name Turkish-Kurdish conflict is wrong because that there is no ethnic conflict. There is a problem related to ethnic Kurdish problem but it is not directly an ethnic war. I asked the naming dispute to R.Cakır, and he said that "I think that "Turkish-Kurdish conflict" is not a good idea because it refers to some kind of civil war that does not exist yet. I would prefer 'Kurdish question (or problem, or maybe conflict) in Turkey' or Turkey's Kurdish question'. But, Khoi did not like the name because according to him not only Kurds are responsible for the conflict. He said that he would think about the name, but no suggestions came form him! I searched on the Internet, and found an article by Koç University academician Somer: "People seem to instinctively understand and fear that this time such a path may lead to a Turkish-Kurdish conflict, i.e. not only a conflict between the state and Kurdish separatists as the conflict previously was, but which involves ordinary people". from http://www.turkishpolicy.com/default.asp?show=fall_2006_somer That would be another nominee for the name: "Turkish state- Kurdish separatists conflict". Is "Turkish state - Kurdish separatists conflict" good?

If there is a voting, we should make a consensus. Any name other than current name is more suitable. But, at the last vote, people who are against the current name gave votes to different names so article's name did not change, since there were no consensus. We should refrain from this in a survey.Paparokan 12:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]