Talk:IPod Touch

Image improvement request

The home screen shown should show icons for the handful of new applications formerly limited to the iPhone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.13.186.2 (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

This request has been fulfilled, although while I appreciate the effort, the photo showing all the apps isn't of particularly good quality; for example the screen is smudged and the camera is visible. I'm not entirely sure whether of not there are copyright/etc. issues by adding an official photograph (being a new user), but the Apple website has an appropriate photo here --Extr3me (talk) 22:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

We cannot use official Apple imagery, per Wikipedia guidelines pertaining to non-free images. Regarding free images such as the one we have right now, you really can't expect A-plus quality. Groink (talk) 22:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Jailbreaking

I was about to add a section about jail breaking the touch, but I am not sure if it is against Wiki policy or not. To my knowledge it does void the warranty but anyone who jailbreaks knows that it can be restored with out "bricking" it. What is the wiki policy on this issue? --zrulli 20:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Read the talk archives for this article. We've been removing the jailbreaking information for various reasons. The major reasons: voids warranty - even if you can reverse the process, the risk is still there, and Wikipedia and/or its editors could be held liable for providing such information. If we added jailbreaking info here, we would need to back it up with disclaimer and such, and by that point it is not worth the hassle. There are many sites out there that provide the same information - why repeat it here? The other major reason is that an encyclopedia is not for people who want to deviate from the official product. If you want to modify a 1968 Dodge Dart, you would not find that information on Wikipedia. Same thing with electronic gear like cell phones or computers. Groink (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

This kind of modification is a very big topic and should be covered in Wikipedia. Wikipedia's purpose isn't to fill in the voids other websites leave, it's to provide information, as completely as possible. While full coverage isn't necessary for the reasons mentioned above, Jailbreaking should at least be defined in this article.--Rtphokie (talk) 23:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Whenever someone talks about jailbreaking, he provides too much information. That's been the problem of past. Sure, you can mention it. But don't go into detail about it, as Wikipedia is not a technical manual. Use the iPhone article as a model on how to write it. You don't have to go into details about firmware version numbers, downgrading, requirements of any sort, etc. Also, keep the information POV, making sure you don't add your own opinions or conclusions (must jailbreak because Apple ______, etc.) Groink (talk) 01:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

two pages?

There are 2 ipod touch pages! Somebody fix this! the "iPod" touch page is different from the "ipod touch" page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.83.75 (talk) 21:20, January 17, 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale on current iPod touch image

I rv'd the tagging of the image's use on this article. If you read the non-free use rationale dispute on the image itself, the image itself won't be deleted from English Wikipedia. Rather, the image will be removed from the other articles that use it - as of this edit the Talk:iPod and iPod articles. The rationale was actually meant for the iPod touch article ONLY, and it is indicated in the image's summary. Although the uploader also added the same image to the iPod article, all he need to do is modify the declaration by adding the iPod article to it. Groink (talk) 22:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Portable media player, or full-blown PDA?

It's obviously a portable media player, but does it have enough additional capabilities to qualify it as a full-blown personal digital assistant? Guy Harris (talk) 04:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The definition of PDA changes with each passing year, as the definition becomes more and more demanding. Today's iPod touch is as much of a PDA as the Newton messagepad was in the mid-1990s. But with the progression of the PDA over the last 15+ years, they're much more feature-packed and far more advanced than the Newton, and most certainly the iPod touch. I think once Apple starts approving the 3rd-party apps via the SDK, the iPod touch will come closer to an actual PDA. I think the iPod touch still has much more work to do regarding word processing, better editing capabilities like cut/paste, and less of a need for a middle-ware on a PC like iTunes. Groink (talk) 08:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

voiding warranty

"Jailbreaking also voids the iPod touch's warranty, which can lead to the device becoming unstable or at worst unusable."

Unless the intention is to imply that voiding the warranty can lead to device instability, that sentence should be rewritten. 74.79.37.59 (talk) 10:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Voiding the warranty is the intent. In an earlier section on this talk page, I discussed the issue where if we mention hacking, we must also counter it with disclaimers. Reading around the web, many people are oblivious of the warranty issue, and perform jailbreaking hacks without understanding these consequences. Groink (talk) 19:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, um.. but voiding the warranty doesn't lead to device instability, jailbreaking does. That is why the sentence needs to be rewritten.

74.79.37.59 (talk) 10:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Gib not GB

Because the iPod touch is flash based capacities should be given in Gibibytes (GiB) not Gigabytes (GB). The same applies to the memory Mebibytes (MiB) vs Megabytes (MB). I've already made this change. Gamefreak2413 (talk) 00:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

But if a manufacturer uses GB, we should also use GB. Bring it up with Apple. Also, 98-percent of the industry uses GB in their documentation. Only the really techie of all techies use GiB. Groink (talk) 01:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Manufacturers are usually specific these days as a result of lawsuits, and say GiB or GB when they mean it. In this case, the Apple spec referenced has a footnote indicating that 1GB = 1 Billion bytes - so Apple specifically do not mean GiB. --Bazzargh (talk) 10:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok but the difference between 8GiB and 8GB is almost 590MB and I think that I would care about that difference. If that figure is correct then apple is the only company that I know of that sells flash memory by the GB. I guess I will let this go, but I will correct a capitalisation error that I saw "Gb -> GB". And yes I am a geek. Gamefreak2413 (talk) 00:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Memory and CPU Frequency

It should be added that the iPod Touch has 116 MB of memory and the CPU has a frequency of 412 MHz. David Guzmán Araiza 22:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

And you DO have references to prove this, right? Groink (talk) 22:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes I do, I accessed system information in the iPod Touch and that was the information it had.David Guzmán Araiza 15:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

SDK

I don't know why, but someone keeps deleting the release date for the SDK. It says it will come out on February 26, 2008. The site is: http://gizmodo.com/354365/apple-event-on-february-26-launches-iphone-sdk-and-macbook-pro. So whoever it is, STOP DELETING IT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Budsully13 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted it because the source says, "Remember, no one can confirm what Apple's announcing until they announce it" That says, they are speculating what Apple will announce 26 February. Since the source is only speculating what Apple will announce, it does not belong in the article. Please do not reinsert it unless you have a source that Apple will announce the SDK launch. Jons63 (talk) 14:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Apple just said they will release it during February. They didn't specified a date. It could be February 26 as well as February 29. David Guzmán Araiza 15:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)