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Category:Books by region

Rename Category:Books by region to Category:Books about a region

Better reflects the category's contents. - jc37 23:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as nominator. - jc37 23:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom, grudgingly. Another 0.005% complete grand scheme - there are no books about America then? Johnbod (talk) 03:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Military personnel of Switzerland

Propose renaming Category:Military personnel of Switzerland to Category:Swiss military personnel

Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category name is not currently in parallel with other similar categories (e.g., Category:American military personnel). Nlu (talk) 23:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

rename per nom for the good reasons stated Hmains (talk) 02:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (as creator) I'm not sure what I was thinking of doing it this way, but there is a case for it, especially for earlier periods (and perhaps periods in the future) when significant numbers of people fought for countries not their own, not least the Swiss, the world's most famous mercenaries. Does the adjective denote the country they came from, or the one they fought for, or either? We should have categories like Category:Generals of the Holy Roman Empire and so on, but we don't. Johnbod (talk) 03:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Consistency is good but I would prefer a mass rename to "Military personnel of [place]". — CharlotteWebb 05:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Graphs as models of other objects

Propose renaming Category:Graphs as models of other objects to ~~Category:Graphs as models of other structures~~

Nominator's rationale: Rename. I created this category today, but now I see the name is not good: graphs are models of structures, rather than of objects. After a second thought, a better idea would be Category:Graphs defined as models of certain relations. It looks too long, but that's the intention of the category. Twri (talk) 22:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:True-believer syndrome

Category:True-believer syndrome - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Terminology proposed by a single writer which could be considered derogatory and is highly likely to be misused. Wednesday Next (talk) 20:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I can't imagine anything which really belongs in the category. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As currently formulated, I have no idea what is supposed to be in here. The article for Cancell seems to have no relation to True-believer syndrome; Dowsing is a poor example; and Royal Rife was a scientist who made some mistakes. I don't see any of these article, other than the parent, that have any relevance to the subject to merit a category. I will be willing to reconsider if there is some evidence that this can be more than one article or why the other articles belong here. Alansohn (talk) 22:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; we don't, for instance, put groups deemed to be cults into Category:Cults. There is too much room for contention here over a term that seems only to be pop psychology (does it belong in Category:Popular psychology?). -choster (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Comic book alternate universes

Rename Category:Comic book alternate universes to Category:Parallel universe (comics)

To match Category:Parallel universe (fiction). - jc37 19:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename - as nominator. - jc37 19:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename - The words are mostly interchangeable, but I see "parallel" as more inclusive, whereas "alternate" seems predicated on the changing of certain circumstances, à la What If? I would prefer it to be plural, however: Parallel universes. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 00:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have much of a problem with that, but then the parent should be renamed similarly. (And I was attempting to skirt that question in this nom : ) - jc37 01:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional comedy characters

Rename Category:Fictional comedy characters to Category:Fictional characters in works of comedy or Category:Fictional characters in comedy (Or something similar.)

Compare to Category:Literary characters by genre of work. - jc37 19:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Fictional characters in works of comedy - as nominator. - jc37 19:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm leaning more towards "Fictional characters in comedy", "Fictional characters in romance" and so on, sub-catting into fictional comics by genre and form, so "Fictional characters in comedy novels". Hiding T 00:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can see both sides of it, and am pretty close to neutral between the two choices (and would be interested in hearing if there were other options as well). I honestly actually only picked the one I did due to previous comments of yours : ) jc37 01:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Preserve America Communities

There are concerns on the talk page, which suggest that at least this should be a list. However, considering that this is merely categorising cities by a particular US government program (See Preserve America), I'm not sure that this should even be a list (besides the 500+ members that the category would potentially have). - jc37 16:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 16:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Convert to a list. I am the one who commented that this content would be more appropriate as a list, but until this proposed deletion (which I assume was occasioned by my recently adding a bunch of articles to the category), no one has responded to that proposal. (I do not know what the category's creator had in mind.) I think a list would be more useful for this topic than a category. Designation as a Preserve America Community requires that a place (which could be a city, county, neighborhood, Indian reservation, etc.) have undertaken a program to promote historic/cultural preservation and heritage tourism/education, so a Wikipedia list of Preserve America Communities (with links to their Wikipedia articles) would have informational value for people interested in the topic of heritage promotion (either as heritage tourists or as heritage promoters). (That subject matter is loosely related to the subject matter of the National Register of Historic Places, which has an active Wikiproject.)
Although new communities might be added to Preserve America in the future, the current list membership is likely to be fairly stable, as there is no requirement for designated communities to requalify. Since this is a Bush Administration initiative, the program might evaporate under the next President, but the Preserve America signs and other vestiges of designation that exist in these communities are likely to survive for a long time. If list size became a problem, the handful of states (such as Kentucky and Texas) with large numbers of Preserve America Communities could be split out. --Orlady (talk) 17:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Two things.

First, I don't necessarily oppose this being a list (except for the concern I noted above due to size).

Second, this CfD nom doesn't prevent you from starting such a list immediately, if you would wish. - jc37 18:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I figured the category wasn't doing any real harm, and I have been hoping for its creator to return and explain his/her intentions. From the time in August that I posted the comment until the day before yesterday, the category's creator had been inactive, but s/he has reappeared, and I've added another user talk page note... --Orlady (talk) 18:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Outrageous Fortune characters

Category:Outrageous Fortune characters - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: As a result of AfDs with concensus to merge, category is populated by only a single article. McWomble (talk) 11:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Members of the Detection Club

Category:Members of the Detection Club - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - I submit ladies and gentlemen that membership in this club is insufficiently defining of its members to warrant categorization, and that a list should be placed in the main article. Otto4711 (talk) 10:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The most notable British fiction writers establishing a notable group for the purpose of organizing and establishing rules for mystery fiction is a strong defining characteristic. Alansohn (talk) 14:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and listify. No one's doubting the notability of the club, just the appropriateness of using a category for the purpose of listing its members. There should be a list made either in the main article or in a separate List of members of the Detection Club article, where adequate sources can be added. There's no convenient way of adding sources for inclusion in a category. —Angr 15:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The problem is that "There's no convenient way of adding sources for inclusion" in any category in Wikipedia, not just this one. This is a vote that is not relevant to this category, but instead would insist that the whole category system be dismantled in its entirety. Alansohn (talk) 15:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not at all. Most categorization is either uncontroversial or is based on information independently mentioned and sourced in the text. Thus, people only get included in the various "LGBT whatever" categories if their sexual orientation is already discussed and sourced in the text. In this case, the category would work if the biography of every member of the Detection Club specifically mentioned that person's membership and sourced it, but that would be cumbersome as membership in this club isn't really all that relevant to most of its members' careers. So in this case, having a list makes more sense than having a category. (A secondary point: this category is also inconvenient because its main article doesn't even strictly belong in the category: the Detection Club is not itself a member of the Detection Club.) —Angr 16:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - There are controversial categories, but this isn't one of them, unless Category:LGBT Members of the Detection Club is forthcoming. As with every single category in Wikipedia, reliable sources to support inclusion can only go into an article. You are describing generic limitations that apply to the entire category architecture in Wikipedia, not just to this category. Alansohn (talk) 22:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Listify and delete per arguments above. Best done in article space rather than category space. Hiding T 20:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dune

Rename to Category:Dune universe to match the lead article Dune universe and the commons:Category:Dune universe and to avoid confusion with sand dunes and the like. — CharlotteWebb 09:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC) I just noticed sand dunes is a redirect to Dune, so this confusion is more plausible than I originally thought. — CharlotteWebb 14:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Cgingold (talk) 11:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Definitely likely for confusion. 70.51.8.75 (talk) 05:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Herzegovinans

Propose renaming Category:Herzegovinans to Category:Herzegovinians

Nominator's rationale: A search at Google Books (more reliable than simple Google for spelling issues) reveals that "Herzegovinian" is considerably more common than "Herzegovinan". The lead article of the category has already been moved from Herzegovinans to Herzegovinians. —An gr 09:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support with a {{category redirect}} from the less common spelling. — CharlotteWebb 09:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National/Local Campsites of Scouting Ireland

Propose renaming Category:National/Local Campsites of Scouting Ireland to Category:National and local campsites of Scouting Ireland

Nominator's rationale: Rename. capitalization. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Campsites of Scouting Ireland and drop the whole "National and local" portion. Alansohn (talk) 06:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Campsites of Scouting Ireland per Alansohn. Occuli (talk) 15:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Humor

Might ought to move this to Category:Humour to match the lead article Humour. Alternatively the article could be moved the opposite way, back to Humor (which was the incidentally the original title [1]). I'm not wanting to start a big flame-war here, just saying that the same spelling should be used for the article and the category, I really don't care which one (speaking as an American who sometimes uses the British spelling she's trying to be more humourous ). — CharlotteWebb 01:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, Webb, what untangled weave you have practiced to conceive! (with apologies to Walter Scott) What infernal can of worms have you opened? Alas, Her Majesty is not amused... I fear the only solution that might enable us to avoid a full-blown civil war over this may be to rename both to Humer (or perhaps some other, equally elegant variant) -- with, of course, redirects from both of the rival spellings. Cgingold (talk) 03:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know it kind of ruins things when you explain ~~humor~~ humer, but just in case it's not familiar to all, I thought it would be good to have the original line here for reference: "Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!" (from Scott's poem, Marmion). Cgingold (talk) 12:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't think we should use this forum to deal with the British English vs. American English problem as a first instance. In this particular case I think Talk:Humour could discuss this viable inconsistency if need be, and if they decide the overall solution would be to rename the category page, then the CFD could be raised citing that mandate. __meco (talk) 08:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Shrug, if they want to move it to "Humor" in the future (I doubt it) this category can easily be renamed back. I don't care what the final result is, I just want consistency right now. — CharlotteWebb 08:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I left a note on the talk page, but judging by the talk page header, nobody wants to consider any change of the article title (there is a banner at the top which implies that such comments should go on a sub-page where they can be more easily ignored). — CharlotteWebb 08:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I think the inconsistency adds to the article and the category, and besides which, Wikipedia doesn't have standards. Hiding T 08:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you mean that readers find the inconsistency humorous? — CharlotteWebb 09:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - No. I mean "I think the inconsistency adds to the article and the category." I don't see a reason to delete since we don't have to standardise, and I like the quirkiness. I don't share your opinion that the same spelling should be used for the article and the category, is all it amounts to. There's not really any policy or guidance that applies here, it's just one of those things you either like or you don't like. I appreciate the arguments for standardising, but they don't carry any more weight than those for not standardising in this instance. It's just personal preference. Do we want a uniform encyclopedia or one that allows the odd quirk? Hiding T 11:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Main article name appears stable, so why shilly-shally? Johnbod (talk) 03:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of ScienceApologist

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: delete. — CharlotteWebb 02:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of ScienceApologist - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Attack page made by User:Elonka against me. ScienceApologist (talk) 01:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, are they yours? — CharlotteWebb 01:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If the question is, is this an "alternate accounts used in a manner forbidden by Wikipedia's policies" as Elonka wrote? Then the answer is "no". I am tempted to go to WP:OFFICE with this one as it looks like it is an attempt to get people to stalk me to an anonymous IP account. However, we can make this all go away by simply deleting the category which was maliciously started for reasons I can only surmise. ScienceApologist (talk) 01:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there's a claim made that the IP was used as a WP:SOCK puppet, rather than as a proper alternate account, delete and [{WP:TROUT]] the creator. If there is such a claim, point to evidence, which has not been done on any (clearly) relevant page. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Per the ScienceApologist ArbCom case, ScienceApologist is only allowed to use one account. --Elonka 01:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Editing while not logged into any account might violates the spirit of that ruling but I'd rather not speculate about this. Has anyone asked arbcom to clarify? — CharlotteWebb 01:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Looking at the disputed edits on psychic the edits are obviously SA, in fact this is so obvious (even down to referring to discussions on the talkpage (diff) that I can't imagine that SA was making any attempt to hide his identity. If he was I'd class this as probably the worst attempt at a sockpuppet in history. Tim Vickers (talk) 01:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Okay, I'll freely admit that I'm fairly inexperienced with sock tagging, so it looks like the category was more than is needed. The fair thing to do is delete the category, so I went ahead and removed the tag from the anon, and deleted the category as G7. Thanks to everyone for commenting, and I apologize for jumping the gun here. --El on ka 02:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Images by 84user

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: delete. — CharlotteWebb 02:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Images by 84user - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: I have seen many CfDs for Images by ..., all of which have been deleted. Also, doesn't help coordinate encyclopedic collaboration. Pie is good ^{(Apple is the best)} 00:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've emptied it now, so delete away. (BTW, they were to demonstrate a still-existing bug, see Category:Images of browser bugs) 84user (talk) 01:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

G7'd it for ya'. Dunno' what templates to use to close this, though. Cheers. lifebaka++ 01:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

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 '''Rename''' to [[:Category:Dune universe]] to match the lead article [[Dune universe]] and the [[:commons:Category:Dune universe]] and to avoid confusion with [[sand dunes]] and the like. — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 09:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC) I just noticed [[sand dunes]] is a redirect to [[Dune]], so this confusion is more plausible than I originally thought. — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 14:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 11:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Rename''' per nom. Definitely likely for confusion. [[Special:Contributions/70.51.8.75|70.51.8.75]] ([[User talk:70.51.8.75|talk]]) 05:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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