Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games and Internet meme: Difference between pages

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Difference between pages)
Content deleted Content added
VisualWikitext
 
Undestu (talk | contribs)
29 edits
No edit summary
 
Line 1: Line 1:
{{refimprove|date=September 2008}}
{{to do}}<!--
{{tooshort|date=September 2008}}
Archive Bot
<!-- *** PLEASE DO NOT ADD EXAMPLES OF INTERNET MEMES TO THIS PAGE, EXCEPT WHERE THEY ARE SOURCED AND CRUCIAL TO EXPLAINING WHAT AN INTERNET MEME IS. IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A NOTABLE INTERNET MEME, WRITE AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT AND/OR ADD IT TO THE ARTICLE [[LIST OF INTERNET PHENOMENA]] *** -->
-->{{User:MiszaBot/config
[[Image:Hampster dance.gif|right|thumb|200px|The [[Hampster Dance]], a widely distributed Internet meme of the late 1990s.]]
|archiveheader = {{talkarchivenav|noredlinks=y}}
|maxarchivesize = 150K
|counter = 56
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo = old(5d)
|archive = Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive %(counter)d
}}<!--
Archive Bot
--><!--
Archive topic Bot
-->{{User:HBC Archive Indexerbot/OptIn|target=Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive index|mask=Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive <#>|leading_zeros=0|indexhere=no|template=}}<!--
Archive topic Bot
-->{{archive box|box-width=180px|image=[[Image:Nuvola filesystems folder games.png|50px|Archive]]|<center>{{archive list|links=5}}<hr /><small>This talk page is '''automatically [[Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page|archived]]''' by [[User:MiszaBot II|MiszaBot
II]].
Any sections older than '''5''' days are automatically archived. An archive index is available '''[[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive index{{!}}here]]'''.</small></center>}}
{{WPVG Sidebar}}


The term '''Internet meme''' is a [[neologism]] used to describe a catchphrase or content that spreads from user to user, the idea behind the content, or the phenomenon of its spread. Internet memes have been seen as a form of art.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2002/11/56119|publisher=Wired Magazine|accessdate=2007-07-05|author=Xeni Jardin|title=Digital Art: It's All About L.A.}}</ref> There exist websites that collect and popularize Internet memes.
== Wikiproject Sega is now [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Sega & Nintendo]] ==


=== Self-promotion ===
After a long time of thinking we have decided to bring up a [[Nintendo]] area to stop our project for dieing out, this should help us get enough members to keep going, if we get enough members of each side of the divided project the project will split into two separate projects how it should be.
One common form of Internet meme is created when a person, company, product, musical group, or the like is promoted on the Internet for its pop culture value. [[Vanity site]]s, for example, are among the first recognized Internet memes.<ref name="guardian">{{cite news |date=August 10, 2000 | accessdate=2007-07-05 | author=Karl Hodge | title=It's all in the memes|publisher=the Guardian|url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/science/story/0,12996,923157,00.html}}</ref> In extraordinary cases where an otherwise non-noteworthy person or incident gains great popularity this way, it is often considered an Internet meme.


=== Inadvertent celebrity ===
The project is divided into two sections Sega Section & Nintendo Section, the duel section idea should make it easier for Nintendo Lovers and Sega Fans to stay to their side while still keeping the project active.
Often, a person or company becomes infamous (or indeed famous) by virtue of an embarrassing video, e-mail, or other act. These arise, for example, in the context of [[Dating (activity)|dating]] and relationships, [[video games]], job applications, security cameras and other hidden videos, or collections of bizarre news stories. Examples include the [[Star Wars kid]] and the [[Numa Numa|Numa Numa dance]].


=== Urban rumors and hoaxes ===
The Nintendo Scope and the Sega Scope will be Assessed separately and will not be placed together, everything will be kept as separate at possible making it almost like two different Wikiprojects operating under one name.
Many Internet memes are [[urban rumor]]s, [[fraud]] schemes, [[slander]], or false news stories that are either planted deliberately to become an Internet meme, evolve by mistake or rumor, or that jump from an offline source to the Internet. It is common to create fake "for sale" listings on sites such as [[Craigslist]] or [[eBay]] for no other reason than to amuse people.<ref name="usatoday">{{cite news | url=http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-07-28-ebay-weirdness_x.htm|publisher=USA Today|author=Karen Schubert|date=July, 2003|title=Bazaar goes bizarre|accessdate=2007-07-05}}</ref> Web sites such as [[snopes.com]] collect lists of such hoaxes or offer services by which users can fact marketing]] to create marketing "[[buzz]]" for their product or service. Internet memes are seen as cost-effective, and because of their (sometimes self-conscious) faddishness, a way to create an image of cleverness or trendiness. Marketers, for example, use Internet memes to create interest in films that would otherwise not generate positive publicity among critics. The film ''[[Snakes on a Plane]]'' generated much publicity from this method.<ref>{{cite news | url=http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/29/business/carr.php | publisher=New York Times | author=David Carr | title= Hollywood bypassing critics and print as digital gets hotter | accessdate=2007-07-05 }}</ref> Political operatives use Internet memes to shape opinion. Used in the context of public relations, the term would be more of an advertising [[buzzword]] than a proper Internet meme, although there is still an implication that the interest in the content is for purposes of trivia, ephemera, or frivolity rather than straightforward advertising and news.


===Image editiiginate from sites such as [[4chan]] and other heavily-frequented [[internet forum]]s.
I hope everyone understands and our members and new members will Keep Contributing or Join the project so we can stay active.


Thank you.


This Has Been An Official '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Sega & Nintendo|S&N Project]]''' Notice By <i><b>[[User:Gaogier|<font color = "darkmagenta">Gaogier</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Gaogier|<font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?</font>]]</small></sup></b></i> 21:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


===References to pop culture===
:Sega ''and'' Nintendo... that's no small undertaking... -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 21:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


Often internet memes will include references to current items of [[pop culture]], such as popular movies, celebrities or news. An example of this is the "Spartan" meme, quoting (or 'referencing') popular lines from the movie ''[[300 (film)|300]]'', especially in places where they don't make sense. The most common lines quoted are:
Explain as i don't understand what your talking about? <i><b>[[User:Gaogier|<font color = "darkmagenta">Gaogier</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Gaogier|<font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?</font>]]</small></sup></b></i> 22:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
* "This is madness!"
:No, just let the project die out if it hasn't got the members. Because now you're treading on the toes of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Nintendo]]. Keep sub-projects distinct and focused. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnch]][[User:Hahnchen/E|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 22:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
* "Madness?... This is SPARTA!!!"
: Why not just have a sega and nintendo taskforce under [[WP:VG]]? [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 22:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Sometimes, but not always, accompanied by images, most commonly depicting one figure kicking another into a large black pit (such as a picture similar to common yellow-black warning signs: a stick-person kicking another into a pit with the warning "CAUTION This is Sparta!" on the top and bottom). In 2008, there was even a [[Facebook]] group set up to encourage students to insert "This is Sparta" into their [[Advanced Placement Program|Advanced Placement]] tests.<ref>[http://www.examiner.com/a-1443213~This_is_Sparta____Facebook_prank_or_political_statement_.html This is Sparta! — Facebook prank or political statement? - Examiner.com<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
::If they can work together, and all agree to it, and get alot of work done, I'm all for it! If not...then...Taskforce it is...I think that we should just give it some time to see how it works. Wait a month, or two, see what happens. Sound any good? <sub>[[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal</font>]]</sub> [[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|'''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#800080">Soulsor</font>]]</sup> 22:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I have to say right now, up front, that I think this is going to be a terrible idea. The Sega Project by just covering Sega hasn't done a very good job with their own articles, and there was too much kicking and screaming over the past cleanup to really make this teamup desirable. There's not so much a case of "Nintendo articles need your help" as there is "you really should fix your own messes first."--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 22:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


Another example of a pop culture reference meme is the random insertion of the name "[[Leeroy Jenkins]]", following the staged events that occurred in [[World of Warcraft]] during a routine raid gone horribly wrong after the actions of Jenkins.
So that means the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Nintendo|Nintendo task force]] is now out of business? I thought six wasn't bad for a task force, given trying to still rebuild. <font color="#063">[[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]]</font> (<font color="#063">[[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]</font>) 01:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


==See also==
I will add that there is a big difference between being '''[[WP:BOLD|bold]]''' and '''[[WP:BOLD|boldly]]''' leaping into an empty swimming pool, which I truly believe the latter has been done. At least one of the task force members should have had some opinion on it, but I suppose they're obviously irrelevant. Not meaning to be incivil, but I am ''very'' disappointed in the former WikiProject Sega to do this behind Nintendo's backs as well as in WPVG as a whole in being complicit in this. <font color="#063">[[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]]</font> (<font color="#063">[[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]</font>) 06:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
*[[Forum spam]]
:Now now, don't jump to conclusions :P As far as it seems at the moment it was the actions solely of one fellow, and judging from his contributions he's scrambling to make sure he did the right thing. So this may very well far apart as fast as it popped up.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 09:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
*[[List of Internet phenomena]]
::Those are my thoughts as well. This whole situation looks to be rash decisions intended to keep the Sega Project as a Project. What our merge suggestion did was put a time table on them that made them feel they needed to act fast. But, we did offer them time to work on their project. I say we give it to them and see what develops.
*[[Meme]] - A unit of cultural information that propagates from one mind to another as a theoretical unit of cultural evolution and diffusion.
::However, if another drastic action like this happens again, it would be best to take this to a Wikipedia-wide forum for discussion. Like [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]] or [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council]]. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 13:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC))
*[[ROFLCon]] - A convention of the people central to the memes and their fans.
Am I understanding this correctly? A WikiProject that has a low number of members has now expanded it's scope to cover the area of another Wikiproject that closed because there weren't enough members to support a Wikiproject for that area? - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 10:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
*[[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] - A famous encyclopedia of internet memes.
:I don't understand. Why Sega and Nintendo? Why not Sega and Blizzard, or Sega and Brøderbund, or Sega and tasty cheeses? We already have a Nintendo task force—now we've got a confusing overlap. It's especially confusing since you say everything will be separate—since we have a Nintendo task force, why do we need to create this separate Nintendo section in the Sega project? I say undo this and discuss if it's actually a good idea first. '''<font color="8855DD">[[User:Pagrashtak|Pagra]]</font><font color="#6666AA">[[User talk:Pagrashtak|shtak]]</font>''' 16:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
*[[YTMND]]
:: Where was the consensus for this? If anything, there seems to be a consensus against it. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 16:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
*[[4chan]] - An imageboard on which numerous memes have started.
:::This doesn't seem right to me. A Sega task force would've been just fine, as a Nintendo task force exists already (which I guess he didn't even care to check for). There is nothing wrong with being a taskforce (even if some members of the Sega project think it's wrong for the project to be turned into one). Or just wait a few months, and see if anyone even cares to join Sega project: if not, then turn it into a taskforce. I want to comment about these comments: ''The project is divided into two sections Sega Section & Nintendo Section, the duel section idea should make it easier for Nintendo Lovers and Sega Fans to stay to their side while still keeping the project active. The Nintendo Scope and the Sega Scope will be Assessed separately and will not be placed together, everything will be kept as separate at possible making it almost like two different Wikiprojects operating under one name.''
*[[Newgrounds]] - A flash Website based on Internet phenomena.


== References ==
:::WikiProjects shouldn't need two "sides" to discuss things on. This project is a bad idea, and I don't think there was any consensus to even make it. I think the merge should be undone, and just move Sega to a taskforce. Lastly if you have a chance: read some of Gaogier's comments at the old Sega project talk page, he has shown numerous ownership issues over the project. So instead of just admitting the project is dead, he decided to do this wrongful merge. [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] ([[User talk:RobJ1981|talk]]) 18:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
{{reflist}}
::::See: [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sega_%26_Nintendo#This_Wikiproject_Is_Dying]] and [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sega_%26_Nintendo#Recent_move_to_Sega_and_Nintendo]] for more information. This whole thing seems to be just a matter of a few Sega project members just claiming ownership. They refuse to be taskforce, so they are rude to people trying to help, and they will do anything it takes to keep the project alive. [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] ([[User talk:RobJ1981|talk]]) 17:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


==Further reading==
:::::This is quite entertaining, discussions like those are not usually that lengthy and the unnecessary last-ditch effort to expand the scope of the Sega Project to include something that already exists elsewhere is just priceless. I do not recall this being discussed, but does the Sega Project even meet the definition of a wikiproject more than a taskforce? In general, it seems whenever a couple a few editors come together they are automatically startout as a "wikiproject". [[User:FullMetal Falcon/FMF|'''<font color="#666666">«&nbsp;₣M₣&nbsp;»</font>''']] 00:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
* Gerson, Jen. "Meme's the word." ''[[Toronto Star]]'' Tuesday, [[August 22]], [[2006]]. LIFE, page C01.


==External links==
I've noticed that this dual WikiProject has been compartmentalized into two sections: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Sega & Nintendo/Sega|Sega]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Sega & Nintendo/Nintendo|Nintendo]]. Is a "WikiProject section" anything like a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Task forces|taskforce]]? [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 18:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.dipity.com/user/tatercakes/timeline/Internet_Memes Internet Meme Timeline] - Interactive explorer and player of Internet Memes
*Gary Marshall, [http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Conf/MemePap/Marshall.html The Internet and Memetics] - academic article about Internet memes
*m/e/m/e 2.0, [http://meme20.k0a1a.net m/e/m/e 2.0] - mechanical web-site representing "memes" of web 2.0 consumer hype.


[[Category:Neologisms]]
== [[Simon the Sorcerer 4: Chaos Happens]] ==
[[Category:Internet memes| ]]
[[Category:Spamming]]


[[de:Internet-Phänomen]]
It's red :( --[[User:Yakiv Gluck|Yakiv Gluck]] ([[User talk:Yakiv Gluck|talk]]) 16:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
[[es:Fenómeno de Internet]]

[[fr:Phénomène internet]]
:[[WP:BOLD|Then write it!]] Savour the chance to write an article from scratch.-- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 16:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
[[ko:인터넷 유행]]
::Nipped in there myself and created the basics, no longer red. --[[User:Oscarthecat|Oscarthecat]] ([[User talk:Oscarthecat|talk]]) 16:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
[[hr:Internet fenomeni]]

[[it:Fenomeno di Internet]]
== Another quick copyedit required ==
[[ru:Интернет-мем]]

[[fi:Internet-ilmiö]]
Could some kind soul give [[Relentless Software]] the once over for me? Thanks. - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 14:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
[[sv:Internetfenomen]]

[[zh:網路爆紅現象]]
== [[Player versus player]] ==

[[Player versus player]] is listed as a "high-priorority" for this project, but it has serious problems. It's had a {{tl|POV}} tag since April 2007. There is only one properly sourced paragraph in the whole article. Though it is listed as being important, it hasn't gotten the attention it deserves. If it isn't fixed soon I'll stub it. [[Special:Contributions/Will_Beback| ·:· ]][[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] [[User talk:Will Beback|·:·]] 23:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:That's hardly a stub-class article. Also many articles on wikipedia have high priority but are in similar condition.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 23:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::I might clean it up when I can be bothered, it's pretty messy. I've tagged it as so. [[User talk:Haipa Doragon|Haipa Doragon]] • ([[Special:Contributions/Haipa Doragon|contributions]]) 23:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I actually might bump it down in importance because the article's scope is the really narrow "Competitive gaming in computer RPGs" with one paragraph of lip-service to other genres in the lead. It just happens to have a name that's used in other contexts. To me, it's more like [[Deathmatch (gaming)]], a mid-class article. [[User:Nifboy|Nifboy]] ([[User talk:Nifboy|talk]]) 01:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

== 15kb-long plot summary for a mobile phone game ==

The plot "summary" for [[Final Fantasy IV The After: Tsuki no Kikan]] is very long (15kb), while that of [[Final Fantasy VIII]], a featured article about an arguably more complicated game than FFIV The After, takes only 6kb. The FFIV The After plot summary is actually so long that it has to be displayed in a collapsible table. What's more, instead of being a short summary, the individual chapters are described one by one. I say it should be cleaned up (not to mention nothing is sourced at all currently). I had put a {{tl|plot}} tag in the section but an FF Wikia editor reverted my change pretending to ignore what the problem is. Thoughts? [[User:Pauca sed bona|Pauca sed bona]] ([[User talk:Pauca sed bona|talk]]) 18:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

:[[WP:Be bold|Be bold]] and cut it down yourself, though you did act correctly in seeking advice, I would say. Or we can wait around for someone else to come help. :) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 22:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:The user who undid it started a discussion [[Talk:Final_Fantasy_IV_the_After:_Tsuki_no_Kikan|on the talk page]]. Why not explain your objections there and try to work something out with the user instead of giving up after one revert? [[User:NeoChaosX|NeoChaosX]] <font size="1"> ([[User talk:NeoChaosX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/NeoChaosX|edits]])</font> 22:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::This is resolved. Extended plot reduced, details moved elsewhere (gaming wiki?) --[[User:Oscarthecat|Oscarthecat]] ([[User talk:Oscarthecat|talk]]) 18:04, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== The Sega/Nintendo WikiProject ==

I've started a thread [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sega_%26_Nintendo#Regarding_the_merge_with_WP:VG|here]] which I hope can take some of the irrational shouting out of this debate and allow us to move forward to find a practical resolution. <small><font color="AE1C28">[[User:Jacoplane|JACO]]</font><font color="#21468B">[[User_talk:Jacoplane|PLANE]]</font> &bull; 2008-10-4 23:53</small>
:Minor OT correction: Capcom owns Devil May Cry, not Konami. [[User:NeoChaosX|NeoChaosX]] <font size="1"> ([[User talk:NeoChaosX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/NeoChaosX|edits]])</font> 00:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Sega_%26_Nintendo&diff=243068975&oldid=243061093 Fixed :)] <small><font color="AE1C28">[[User:Jacoplane|JACO]]</font><font color="#21468B">[[User_talk:Jacoplane|PLANE]]</font> &bull; 2008-10-5 00:32</small>
:::Yeah. A lot of companies tend to copy content from Wikipedia and other use-submitted websites such as IMDB and KLOV, which is actually a shame since it usually leads to recursive referencing.[[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4|talk]]) 01:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Street Fighter and other Capcom fighting game related articles. ==

I want to improve the quality of many [[Capcom]] fighting game related articles. Particularly ''[[Street Fighter II]]'' and ''[[Darkstalkers]]''.
* First of all, I want to improve the overall prose of ''[[Street Fighter II]]'' and cover all the major versions in one article. I see little point in covering ''[[Super Street Fighter II]]'' and ''[[Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix]]'' in separate articles. The former simply reiterates differences ''Super'' and ''Super Turbo'' has over the original three versions, while the latter feels more like an advertisement for a minor pay-to-download remake of ''Super Turbo''. At the very least, I think ''HD Remix'' needs to be merged to the ''Super'' article. Some of the other articles need improvement too (particularly ''[[Street Fighter EX2]]'' and ''[[Street Fighter III]]'', the former has too much gamecruft and the latter is too opinionated), but ''Street Fighter II'' should be top priority.
* Secondly, I think ''[[Darkstalkers]]'' needs a good cleanup and could be split up. The game's sequels, ''Night Warriors'' and ''Vampire Savior'' are different enough from the original to warrant their own articles. On a related note, ''[[Darkstalkers Chronicle]]'' could easily be merge into a ''Vampire Savior'', since its basically just a variant of ''Vampire Savior 2'' with some added game mode.
There are others that need improvement too (especially character articles like [[Ryu (Street Fighter)|Ryu]], [[Ken (Street Fighter)|Ken]] and [[List of Street Fighter EX characters]] to name some), but the games are top priority first. Any suggestions. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4|talk]]) 04:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Seems like deja vu, a similar discussion was taking place during the HD Remix AFD and nothing's changed IMO - folding multiple articles into one doesn't improve any of them and doesn't solve the problems with the SF2 article, which is lack of adequate reception and total lack of development information for the most important fighting game there is. That information does exist, there's a 12-page interview/feature about SF2 in [http://www.amazon.com/Game-Plan-Designs-Changed-Computer/dp/2880466962/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223242643&sr=1-1 Game Plan], it's in the Guinness Book of Records Gamers edition (already noted in the article) and there's a wealth of reception information lying around in magazines. Super Street Fighter II took as big a step as any fighting game in terms of new characters, the fact that it's called Super Street Fighter II as opposed to Street Fighter III shouldn't make it a merge candidate. The current state of the articles does not dictate how relevant they would be if worked on. At least give them a chance and try to repair the main article first rather than folding them all into an even bigger mess. [[User:Someone another|Someone]][[User_talk:Someone another|another]] 21:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:I found some scans from an interview with former designer Noritaka Funamizu that was published in Play magazine too. Sadly, the uploader of the scans forgot to establish from which issue of the magazine he took them from, so they're rather worthless for sourcing. I also added Capcom{{'}}s sales numbers for the SNES and Genesis ports of the games. However, I do have access to an interview with Funamizu and Nishitani from ''All About Capcom''.
:My issue with having ''Super Street Fighter II'' separately is that it simply just reiterates info already summarized in the main ''Street Fighter II'' article. The game themselves aren't really that different aside for the four additional characters in ''Super'' and the addition of Super Combos in ''Super Turbo''. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4|talk]]) 21:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well there's definitely material in Game Plan: the amount of staff are discussed, according to the interviewee the decision to put the button combinations to perform special moves was implemented in order to make the player move with the game - likened to players interacting with crane games and whack-a-mole machines. Players apparently spliced the arcade boards between two monitors so they didn't have to look at each other when playing, stretching the board's ability to cope. It's full of that kind of info. The main problem with merging is that it necessitates running a knife through each game's information - you can't have a full reception section for at least three different games, it has to be watered down, and considering how important SF2 is I don't think that should be the case. HD Remix still isn't released, but if it was and the subsequent sources were used (as well as what's already out there now) then it wouldn't fit very well with another article either. [[User:Someone another|Someone]][[User_talk:Someone another|another]] 22:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Some development information are covered in ''All About Capcom'' too actually, such as the double screen cabinets that were sold in Japan, the switch from CPS to CPS II and other hardware changes for later games. But the ''Street Fighter II'' series section itself is rather thin (even though five arcade games are all counted as individual games). They list the game features from each game, along with ports, secret features, characters' techniques and endings, which don't vary much between games since they all build upon the same template. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4|talk]]) 00:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== ''[[Midtown Madness]]'' is October 6's Featured Article ==

Heads up to those interested in vandal-fighting: ''[[Midtown Madness]]'' is scheduled to be Today's Featured Article on October 6. [[User:Jappalang|Jappalang]] ([[User talk:Jappalang|talk]]) 09:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:And thanks to everyone who helped get it there :) [[User:Giggy|Giggy]] ([[User talk:Giggy|talk]]) 10:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:I thought we were holding off on TFA's for the moment to allow for some influencial titles like ''[[Myst]]'' to appear there, but never mind. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 10:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::Most of the time Raul chooses them randomly; this was the case here (ie. I didn't request it). Sorry... [[User:Giggy|Giggy]] ([[User talk:Giggy|talk]]) 10:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Regardless congrats Giggy and those that also worked on it.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 07:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:Vandal fighting? Pft, it's all about knocking down the comments about how horrible we all all for daring to work on video games instead of the "important" things like tulips or something. [[User:Melodia|♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫]] ([[User talk:Melodia|talk]]) 11:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:::(And boy, did I [[Talk:Midtown_Madness#Importance|call it]], or what?) [[User:Melodia|♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫]] ([[User talk:Melodia|talk]]) 11:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::[[Myst]] got shot down a while ago (15th anniversary wasnt enough to get featured, unfortunately). <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 21:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:::But a low-importance game only nine years old is, in place of a 15 year old game of astronomically large importance to the industry? What sort of logic do these people work on? -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 23:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, you get points on multiples of ten, so 15th year anniversary only gets us one point. Another point if the nominator hasn't had a TFA (someone nom'd [[Chicxulub Crater]] a while back, so that's not available.) It's not an old FA and it's not in a vital topic, so it doesn't get points there. So it only had a point, and would have been in the negatives if another video game article had appeared within the last three months. Really, the only way we ''can'' get a video game to the main page is if Raul randomly picks it (he did that to the elder scrolls article, I believe, as well as ''Rock Band''.) <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 00:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::(Nit, that was Guitar Hero, as well as BioShock. :) --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] 00:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

: The article is now up on the Main Page. One clear-cut case of vandalism so far... [[User:Jappalang|Jappalang]] ([[User talk:Jappalang|talk]]) 01:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

How did it get shot down; was it at the request page? Yeah, it's a special hell there when you try to nominate a video game article. [[Special:Contributions/68.185.203.134|68.185.203.134]] ([[User talk:68.185.203.134|talk]]) 05:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, ''Myst'' appeared on the requsts page, but ''Midtown Madness'' didn't (it was chosen randomly; Sabre, talk to [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] if you object to his mechanism for choosing articles). [[User:Giggy|Giggy]] ([[User talk:Giggy|talk]]) 07:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== How would one write a GA on a developer? ==

I want to rewrite [[Blizzard Entertainment]] sometime in the future, but I don't know how best to structure it. The current structure isn't that great, and I'm sure a lot more can be said in prose than is already there. To my knowledge, the only FA/GA article on a developer we have is the GA on [[Bungie]], but I'm reluctant to immediately jump in and use that as an exemplar as Bungie is relatively small time compared to Blizzard from a business perspective—although both were founded in 1991, Blizzard is a giant of a company (nearly 3,000 employees) compared to Bungie (with only 120 employees), plus is home to more than one highly successful, profitable and influencial franchise. So, how should one go about structuring an article on one of the big companies in the industry, or would the approach to small and medium size companies as displayed in the Bungie article be appropriate? I imagine that the Bungie approach would work well for the [[Valve Corporation]] though—another article I want to get around to redoing—as its of a similar size and nature, less having been owned by someone else (ie Microsoft) in the past -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 23:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't realize Blizzard itself was that large (as a subsidiary of Viacom or whoever owns it now). I don't see what the real issue with using Bungie as a model is (admittedly, since I'm the guy who wrote it I have a sort of vested interest, but hear me out.) The history section is applicable to all articles, although it will no doubt be subdivided more in Blizzard's case. The 'Culture' section is applicable to bungie because information has been written about it; I don't know if this is the case with Blizzard. Bungie.net is in the article because it is such an integral part of the company's games, and the offshoot companies because as you said, it's had relatively few employees over its lifespan. So none of the above may be applicable, so what other sections you have depends on the sources you can find. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 23:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

: Like so many other things, you need to explain what it is, and how it came to be. It's a company that's really made its name with strategy and RPG games. Historically, it took them a while to get there. You need to add a section to summarize what the company is, how it's structured, what their approach is, and so on. But otherwise the structure is pretty good. The content itself? Needs some work. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 02:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::Also, I think it's better to have controversies in the articles they are about. Having them in the ''developer''{{'}}s article seems like a troll magnet. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 12:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

::I'm certainly going to ditch the entirely unreferenced stuff. Looks like POV stuff to me. The Warden bits can be put into the Warden article. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 13:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

::Ok, a basic structure is at [[User:S@bre/Blizzard Entertainment]]. I borrowed the Corporate affairs stuff from the Microsoft article, if necessary I'll add extra sub-headings and the like: Blizzard does seem to like to get into the thick of that sort of stuff. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 13:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:::In terms of company stuff; if there are the references for it, you could have a section about how Blizzard has a reputation for releasing games "when they're done." as that's a fairly signficant aspect of the company. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 14:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::: I think that's a pretty good TOC. History, but also looking at the internal affairs and internal structure of the company. The content is another story, of course. But it would be useful to find any information you can find about their marketing strategy, or design processes. Stuff about the reputation of the company is valuable too, so long as it can be referenced. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 18:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== video game locations, part two ==

In [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Archive_55#video_game_locations:_separating_potential_good_from_total_cruft|this older discussion]], we identified and dealt with the most obvious cruft, while also trying to [[Locations in the Half-Life series|improve what could logically be saved]]. Everything else is a little harder to know for sure:

Final Fantasy series
* [[Gaia (Final Fantasy VII)]]
* [[Spira (Final Fantasy)]]

Grand Theft Auto series
* [[Vice City]]
* [[Liberty City (Grand Theft Auto)]]

Pokemon: [[Talk:Gameplay_of_Pokémon#Pok.C3.A9mon_regions_and_Pok.C3.A9mon_Center|see merge discussion]]
* [[Pokémon regions]]
* [[Johto]] ([[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johto|kept]] at afd in June)
* [[Kanto (Pokémon)]]
* <s>[[Pokémon Center]]</s> {{y}} '''merged'''
* [[Sinnoh]]

Others:
* [[Universe of The Legend of Zelda series]]
* [[Albion (Fable)]]
* [[List of Legend of Legaia locations]]
* [[Nosgoth]]
* <s>[[Novistrana]]</s> {{y}} '''merged'''
* [[List of Silent Hill locations]]
* [[Twinsun]]
* <s>[[World of Monkey Island]]</s> Sabre says it has potential, so let's hold off
* [[Tamriel]] ([[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tamriel|no consensus]] to delete last December)

The most helpful thing editors can do? Identify articles that have no hope of meeting our policies and guidelines, or articles that can meet our guidelines with a little bit of work. You could also check in at [[Talk:Pokémon regions]] to discuss the best way to deal with the individual regions articles ([[Johto]], [[Sinnoh]] and so on...) Even if you're only stating the obvious, you help show that the obvious has [[WP:consensus]]. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 02:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:Redirect Pokémon Center to Pokémon game mechanics' section on it. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 02:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:Add [[San Andreas (Grand Theft Auto)]] (expand it away from the game redirect it is now) to the list of GTA locations like was done with HL. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] 20:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:As previously stated, I believe there's some hope for World of Monkey Island. At the moment though, it looks more like an inefficient merge of all other Monkey Island fiction articles. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 23:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I've updated the list. We could really use a few more people to check in and recommend a reasonable course of action [[Talk:Gameplay_of_Pokémon#Pok.C3.A9mon_regions_and_Pok.C3.A9mon_Center|for the Pokemon regions]]. Even just a quick yay or nay would be better than nothing. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 02:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Template:VGtitle and FFspinoff ==

I've been working on and off on [[Template:VGtitle]], trying to improve it and make it easier to use. The last wall I hit was trying to integrate [[Template:FFspinoff]] with it. I think I've come up with a solution and have posted it at [[Template talk:VGtitle#Spin off titles]]. Before changing the template code, I'd really appreciated it if someone with more template experience could check it out to see if there are some possible errors I'm not seeing. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 17:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC))

== GA removal of [[Super Mario Land]] ==

[[Talk:Super Mario Land]] - Does anyone oppose removing its GA-class? The only well-sourced section is the Reception, and it lacks any sources for Gameplay, and no Development section. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 20:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:I see no problem tossing that article to [[WP:GAR]], it likely should be removed. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] 20:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::The problem with many of these Good Articles nominated two or more years ago is that the standards have gotten higher during that time. Same thing for Featured Articles. If the article is left unattended for a very long time, it falls behind with the times and the better articles. <font color="#063">[[User talk:MuZemike|MuZemike]]</font> 00:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

== ''[[Pokémon Red and Blue]]'' ==

I am trying to get ''[[Pokémon Red and Blue]]'', currently a good article, to featured article status. It has already gotten a [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Pokémon Red and Blue/archive1|peer review]], which received minimal participation, so I brought it here in hopes that someone could do a good copy-edit or help me fix some flaws in the article. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Artichoker|Artichoker]]'''<nowiki>[</nowiki>'''[[User talk:Artichoker|talk]]'''<nowiki>]</nowiki>'''</span> 20:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:The first thing that pops out is the lack of screenshots. There needs to be at least two I think, one for battle, and one for the overworld. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 21:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::Where did you get this requirement from? Especially since all of the images are non-free. <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Artichoker|Artichoker]]'''<nowiki>[</nowiki>'''[[User talk:Artichoker|talk]]'''<nowiki>]</nowiki>'''</span> 22:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:::There's no requirement, it's just logic. People want to see what the game looks like, not how many box art the game has. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 23:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I am not experienced enough in images to know how to upload and tag one correctly, so can someone help me? <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Artichoker|Artichoker]]'''<nowiki>[</nowiki>'''[[User talk:Artichoker|talk]]'''<nowiki>]</nowiki>'''</span> 00:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Gimme some links to a couple of screenshots you want uploaded, and ill go about it. [[User:Salavat|Salavat]] ([[User talk:Salavat|talk]]) 14:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Screenshots need to show important parts of the game to better help the reader's understanding. I suggest using screenshots of a battle and another of the normal bird's eye view screen when walking around. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 15:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::There ''were'' some images I had from ''Pokemon Yellow'' back when it was an article you could use, otherwise I can get some other shots. To cut down on nonfree use I would remove all the box art save one, and note that each of the games had a pokemon on it in the infobox. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 15:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::(ec) References need some inspecting. Be on the look out for personal websites like http://home.comcast.net/~eichler2/gameboy/GameLink.htm which are not [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|Reliable sources]], and sites like http://www.123exp-biographies.com/t/00034233474/ that say "Some descriptions may have been derived in part from Princeton University WordNet '''or Wikipedia'''." You'll probably be asked why four box arts meets the [[Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria|Non-free content criteria]]. '''<font color="8855DD">[[User:Pagrashtak|Pagra]]</font><font color="#6666AA">[[User talk:Pagrashtak|shtak]]</font>''' 15:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::Addition: The article says that the cartridge is 8 megabits. Where did that come from? ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' volume 113, page 112 says 4 megabits. I'd change it unless you have another source. '''<font color="8855DD">[[User:Pagrashtak|Pagra]]</font><font color="#6666AA">[[User talk:Pagrashtak|shtak]]</font>''' 16:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

(←) I fixed the problems with the unreliable sites and changed the megabits from 8 to 4. <s>Pagrashtak, if you could write out reference for that in the article it would be much appreciated.</s> (never mind, I got it) As for the images, can I just find an image from anywhere or does it have to be from a reliable site? Or David, if you could find some images, that would be awesome. Thanks for the help everyone. <span style="padding-left:2px;padding-right:2px;background-color:#f5faff;border:#cedff2 1px solid">[[User:Artichoker|Artichoker]]'''<nowiki>[</nowiki>'''[[User talk:Artichoker|talk]]'''<nowiki>]</nowiki>'''</span> 21:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::Images can be from any place, but just make sure you link to the place where the image is ''used'', instead of deeplinking to the image file alone. My suggestion is to clear out the images and work on the prose ''first'', then see where one or two images can be used to maximum effect. You also need to decide how you're going to address development and reception, considering there are multiple games you are talking about; I would think some foreign language sources would be necessary given its initial release in Japan long before it migrated to english territories. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 02:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== ''[[StarCraft: Ghost]]'' FAC ==

Gary King reckons its worth letting the project know here that ''[[StarCraft: Ghost]]'' has gone into FAC. Currently, Gary King and a couple of others are heavily copyeditting the article, and in the process showing me a thing or two about how to meet the "brilliant prose" requirement. This FAC's something of unexplored territory: its (to our knowledge) the first FAC on an unreleased game, on top of that one that's "not quite cancelled but certainly not coming out any time soon, if ever". We've been assured us that its ok to try over at the main FAC talk page, so we're giving it a go. The FAC page is over at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/StarCraft: Ghost]], feel free to leave your comments.-- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 21:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Harvest Moon (series)|Harvest Moon]] problems ==

HM articles are in bad shape, and this time I'm not asking for participation (unless you want to), but an opinion. I've been trying to decide if we should have lists of marriage candidates. While lists are frowned upon, I also think that the marriage candidates are fairly notable and useful, and on top of this, it helps to show varying personalities. As a fan, I'm also wrestling if I'm prepared to break it down to examples of differing personalities, interests, and tastes. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 05:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually, now that I think about it, there is a list of HM characters, so I could just link to that. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 05:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:Take into account that the [[List of characters in the Harvest Moon series]] character list is in pretty bad shape at the moment. [[User:Salavat|Salavat]] ([[User talk:Salavat|talk]]) 17:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::Indeed, I noticed that. I think the character list might need to be fixed by... I dunno, separating by character, instead of "character by role". - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 17:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeh seperating by role is a bit-in gameish. Or maybe by game (although i think dont quote me though some characters may appear in multiple game). So seperating simply by character maybe would be the only way. Or maybe like [[List of characters in Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow and Dawn of Sorrow]] where they have "recurring characters", then the rest classed under respected video games. [[User:Salavat|Salavat]] ([[User talk:Salavat|talk]]) 17:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I'll pitch in some agreement on that. From what I've seen, the characters themselves may be significant enough to the game to warrant mention (though I don't really see anything that says that there are specific characters that stand out more than others in most of the games in the series), but trying to make it more specific with a list of marriage candidates would be too specific, IMO. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 18:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I cleaned it up a bit, but it's definitely a long way's to go. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 18:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

== Working on tidying up [[Ico]] ==

I'm grabbing a subject by the horns (ha ha) and going to work [[Ico]] through to FA. I was surprised to hit on as much development info as I have, and thus the article is shaping up well; I basically need to write out a review reception section (I'm going to try to avoid a ratings table, as I did on [[Crush (video game)]] and go for the esoteric "Person X at Site Y said..." approach that I think reads better. If you want to lend a hand, please let me know. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] 16:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

:The reception table and the "person X at Site Y said.." approaches aren't mutually exclusive you know. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 17:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::True, though I think I still want avoiding mentioning specific review scores to see how it flows. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] 17:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I've got my hands full with the Version 0.7 articles, but I'd certainly like to see this game get to FA. I'd be happy to give the article an copy edit and some reference checks. Just drop me a note. ([[User:Guyinblack25|Guyinblack25]] <sup>[[User talk:Guyinblack25|talk]]</sup> 20:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC))

== Non-violent first person shooters ==

We could use some more thoughts and opinions at [[Talk:Portal (video game)#Non-violent]] & [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 6#Category:Non-violent first-person shooters]]. cheers –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 17:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Revision as of 03:03, 11 October 2008

The Hampster Dance, a widely distributed Internet meme of the late 1990s.

The term Internet meme is a neologism used to describe a catchphrase or content that spreads from user to user, the idea behind the content, or the phenomenon of its spread. Internet memes have been seen as a form of art.[1] There exist websites that collect and popularize Internet memes.

Self-promotion

One common form of Internet meme is created when a person, company, product, musical group, or the like is promoted on the Internet for its pop culture value. Vanity sites, for example, are among the first recognized Internet memes.[2] In extraordinary cases where an otherwise non-noteworthy person or incident gains great popularity this way, it is often considered an Internet meme.

Inadvertent celebrity

Often, a person or company becomes infamous (or indeed famous) by virtue of an embarrassing video, e-mail, or other act. These arise, for example, in the context of dating and relationships, video games, job applications, security cameras and other hidden videos, or collections of bizarre news stories. Examples include the Star Wars kid and the Numa Numa dance.

Urban rumors and hoaxes

Many Internet memes are urban rumors, fraud schemes, slander, or false news stories that are either planted deliberately to become an Internet meme, evolve by mistake or rumor, or that jump from an offline source to the Internet. It is common to create fake "for sale" listings on sites such as Craigslist or eBay for no other reason than to amuse people.[3] Web sites such as snopes.com collect lists of such hoaxes or offer services by which users can fact marketing]] to create marketing "buzz" for their product or service. Internet memes are seen as cost-effective, and because of their (sometimes self-conscious) faddishness, a way to create an image of cleverness or trendiness. Marketers, for example, use Internet memes to create interest in films that would otherwise not generate positive publicity among critics. The film Snakes on a Plane generated much publicity from this method.[4] Political operatives use Internet memes to shape opinion. Used in the context of public relations, the term would be more of an advertising buzzword than a proper Internet meme, although there is still an implication that the interest in the content is for purposes of trivia, ephemera, or frivolity rather than straightforward advertising and news.

===Image editiiginate from sites such as 4chan and other heavily-frequented internet forums.


References to pop culture

Often internet memes will include references to current items of pop culture, such as popular movies, celebrities or news. An example of this is the "Spartan" meme, quoting (or 'referencing') popular lines from the movie 300, especially in places where they don't make sense. The most common lines quoted are:

  • "This is madness!"
  • "Madness?... This is SPARTA!!!"

Sometimes, but not always, accompanied by images, most commonly depicting one figure kicking another into a large black pit (such as a picture similar to common yellow-black warning signs: a stick-person kicking another into a pit with the warning "CAUTION This is Sparta!" on the top and bottom). In 2008, there was even a Facebook group set up to encourage students to insert "This is Sparta" into their Advanced Placement tests.[5]

Another example of a pop culture reference meme is the random insertion of the name "Leeroy Jenkins", following the staged events that occurred in World of Warcraft during a routine raid gone horribly wrong after the actions of Jenkins.

See also

References

  1. ^ Xeni Jardin. "Digital Art: It's All About L.A." Wired Magazine. Retrieved 2007-07-05.
  2. ^ Karl Hodge (August 10, 2000). "It's all in the memes". the Guardian. Retrieved 2007-07-05.
  3. ^ Karen Schubert (July, 2003). "Bazaar goes bizarre". USA Today. Retrieved 2007-07-05. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  4. ^ David Carr. "Hollywood bypassing critics and print as digital gets hotter". New York Times. Retrieved 2007-07-05.
  5. ^ This is Sparta! — Facebook prank or political statement? - Examiner.com

Further reading

External links

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games&oldid=244501191"