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===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/L'Innocence|L'Innocence]]=== |
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| name = Nelly Furtado |
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| title = [[Nelly Furtado]] |
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| group1 = Studio albums |
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[[Image:Bouguereau-Linnocence.jpg|thumb|250px|'''Original''' - [[William-Adolphe Bouguereau|Bouguereau]]'s Innocence]] |
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| list1 = {{nowrap begin}}''[[Whoa, Nelly!]]''{{·wrap}}''[[Folklore (album)|Folklore]]''{{·wrap}} ''[[Loose (album)|Loose]]'' |
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[[Image:Man.jpg|thumb|250px|'''Original''' - An innocent man having his hat blown off. Huge, simply tremendous EV, very nice piece of art, illustrates the subject well.]] |
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;Reason:A beautiful image of cultural and historic value. Well known and pleasing to the eye. Good use in articles. |
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;Articles this image appears in:[[Innocence]] |
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;Creator:[[William-Adolphe Bouguereau]] |
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|group2 = Live albums |
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* '''Support as nominator''' --[[User:Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Green">Jor</font>]][[User talk:Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Red">dan</font>]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Blue">Contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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|list2 = ''[[Loose: The Concert]]'' |
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*'''Oppose'''. Not a large enough image, given the size and level of detail in the painting itself.--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 19:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Question''' How big is the real painting?--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] <sup>([[User talk:HereToHelp|''talk to me'']])</sup> 20:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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**39 1/4 x 20 5/8 inches, according to the [http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=1073&hires=1 Art Renewal Center] (which is probably the source of the image, as well, although it's marked as unknown source)--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 22:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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***'''Weak support''' ...Which means that it has about a 1:2 ratio with the original. I'd like it to be bigger, but take it out of Good and Evil and it will do.--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] <sup>([[User talk:HereToHelp|''talk to me'']])</sup> 18:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment'''--I'm wondering about the encyclopedic value of this image. It's use in [[Good and evil]] is kind of dubious, given that "good" and "innocence" are two distinct philosophical concepts and this is explicitly only one of them. Isn't there another image somewhere that illustrates "good" more directly? [[User:Chick Bowen|Chick Bowen]] 01:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:For example, I think I'll suggest [[:Image:Good Samaritan (Watts).jpg]] at the talk page there. [[User:Chick Bowen|Chick Bowen]] 01:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' Per Chick Bowen. Art needs to stand on it's own, these abstract concepts of "innocence" and "good" can not be used to add EV to it. --[[User:Uncle.bungle|Uncle Bungle]] ([[User talk:Uncle.bungle|talk]]) 12:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment'''. I does add a lot of EV to the otherwise unillustratable (?) article [[Innocence]] (the painting is named L'Innocence, for crying out loud), but unfortunately there is a problem with its placement in [[Good and Evil]]. Might I suggest removing it from that article? It might have more of a chance only in Innocence. But that's just my opinion. Good picture nonetheless. You can even see some of the canvas fibers. [[User:Intothewoods29|Intothewoods29]] ([[User talk:Intothewoods29|talk]]) 16:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Response''' The image has been removed from the article [[Good and Evil]], as per apparent consensus. [[User:Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Green">Jor</font>]][[User talk:Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Red">dan</font>]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Blue">Contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''. I think it has good EV in [[Innocence]]. We'd be hard-pressed to come up with another image that illustrates a philosophical concept like that so well. :) [[User:Intothewoods29|Intothewoods29]] ([[User talk:Intothewoods29|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' I see a frantic looking woman stealing a lamb and a child, far from innocent. Thats the cool thing about art and abstract concepts: anything can be accurate as it is all up to the interpretation of the reader. --[[User:Uncle.bungle|Uncle Bungle]] ([[User talk:Uncle.bungle|talk]]) 20:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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!colspan="2"| Rambling discussion on subjectivity and French grammar |
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|::"Alas that such a travesty could be allowed to occurr unchecked. Oh, cruel fate!" That's the problem with [[subjectivity]]: it's all based on [[perception]]. However, allowing that the viewer believes that the picture represents [[innocence]] and not some jumped up [[kidnapper]] cum [[livestock theft|livestock thief]], then it might indeed do a fair job of representing the [[concept]] of innocence. So, either the woman is running off with Mary's little lamb, or she's the [[anthropomorphic personification]] of a vaguely abstract virtue. But which? Now, that ''is'' the question. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/41.4.41.216|41.4.41.216]] ([[User talk:41.4.41.216|talk]]) 20:47, 27 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::::Ha ha ha that was the funniest thing I've read at FPC in a long time! But really, I think the fact that it's named "L'Innocence" and not "Le Voleur de moutons" implies the meaning of the painting, but everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion. :) [[User:Intothewoods29|Intothewoods29]] ([[User talk:Intothewoods29|talk]]) 00:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Wouldn't that be "La Vouleuse d'un mouton et un enfant"?--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] <sup>([[User talk:HereToHelp|''talk to me'']])</sup> 01:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Not if this "woman" is less innocent than even Uncle.Bungle suspected! [[User:Thegreenj|Thegreenj]] 03:35, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Oh! Scandalous! Maybe she's a cannibal!? LOL :P [[User:Intothewoods29|Intothewoods29]] ([[User talk:Intothewoods29|talk]]) 18:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::Forgive me my previous comment. I made it whilst logged out. I am glad to see that my fellow Wikipedians ''do'' possess what might be termed a sense of humour. I was starting to get worried. However, I doubt that cannibalism is her plan... I suspect that Innocence is far from what her name implies. I am sure that she has ulterior motives. Likely, the child will be sold to an Eastern [[sweatshop]], where she will make [[Nike (brand)|Nike]] shoes for the rest of her existence, and the lamb will suffer the same [[cooking|fate]] as most delectable-looking livestock. Rather unfortunate, if you ask me. Even more unfortunate is the fact that this page is supposed to be the home of serious, image related discussion. I suspect that we might get told off for this. Well, it was worth the laugh. And now, off to more serious matters... [[User:Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Green">Jor</font>]][[User talk:Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Red">dan</font>]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Blue">Contribs</font>]]</sup> 19:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Haha yeah. I think this has been the longest and most pointless FPC conversation ever. We should get "Idiot Wikipedian" barnstars. :P [[User:Intothewoods29|Intothewoods29]] ([[User talk:Intothewoods29|talk]]) 21:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Isn't L'Innocence idiot in French? I'm not sure, this being the English wikipedia and all. In all seriousness, I apologize for kicking off such a disruption in the FPC process. I can say in my defense that the above banter demonstrates how there is too much room for interpretation to ever allow the image to fufill the accuracy requirement. --[[User:Uncle.bungle|Uncle Bungle]] ([[User talk:Uncle.bungle|talk]]) 00:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::Not according to [http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt Babel Fish translator]. Also, I don't think it was really your fault; I think the blame goes to certain idiot reviewers (i.e. me). Haha. |
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::::::::::::Ok... This is getting a bit too far. I'm a native french speaker. "Innocence" in french as different meanings: "a female name", "somebody that can't do any evil", "the state of being non guilty", "to be pure, angel-like, white (in the sense of spotless, pure) naive and gullible". The latter definition is only very rarely used as "idiot", as "innocence" is a name, but the adjective "innocent(e)" is used frequently in any of those 3 latter definitions. BTW it's not "La Vouleuse d'un mouton et un enfant" it should be "La voleuse d'un agneau et d'un enfant". "vouleuse" doesn't existe, capital letters are never used for a common name in french unless it's the first word of a sentence (even in a title) and as far as I know, this woman is not carrying a full grown sheep (mouton), she's carrying a lamb (agneau). [[User:PYMontpetit|PYMontpetit]] ([[User talk:PYMontpetit|talk]]) 17:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::Oh dear. That ''does'' complicate things. Je parle francais aussi. Well, even if we can't decide whether the image represents a virtue or an act of vice, at least we know what the title would be in French, were the title actually related to theft. Which it isn't. [[User:Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Green">Jor</font>]][[User talk:Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Red">dan</font>]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Jordan Timothy James Busson|<font color="Blue">Contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::I'm not sure how voleuse became Vouleuse, but I suppose having a d' before each un makes sense. As for agneau and mouton, I just used the language from the previous comment. (J'ai étudié français depuis trois ans.)--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] <sup>([[User talk:HereToHelp|''talk to me'']])</sup> 23:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::::Ha, while we're at it, wouldn't that be "J'étudie français depuis trois ans", since <i>depuis</i> implies past action in the present tense? [[User:Thegreenj|Thegreenj]] 03:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::::Oh yeah....I'm going to stick to English now....--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] <sup>([[User talk:HereToHelp|''talk to me'']])</sup> 12:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::::: It should be "J'étudie ''le'' français depuis trois ans" [[User:PYMontpetit|PYMontpetit]] ([[User talk:PYMontpetit|talk]]) 16:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::::::Je déteste la langue français maintenant. Est-ce que vous êtes heureux?--[[User:HereToHelp|IciPourAider]] <sup>([[User talk:HereToHelp|''parlez à moi'']])</sup>20:44, 30 Septembre 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''. would make a nice FP [[User:PYMontpetit|PYMontpetit]] ([[User talk:PYMontpetit|talk]]) 16:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.90.94.54|69.90.94.54]] ([[User talk:69.90.94.54|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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| group3 = DVDs |
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| list3 = ''[[Loose Mini DVD]]''{{·wrap}} ''[[Loose: The Concert]]'' |
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| group4 = Singles |
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| list4 = "[[Party's Just Begun (Again)]]"{{·wrap}} "[[I'm like a Bird]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Turn off the Light]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Shit on the Radio (Remember the Days)]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Hey, Man!]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Trynna Finda Way]]"{{·wrap}}"[[Powerless (Say What You Want)]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Try (Nelly Furtado song)|Try]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Força]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Explode (song)|Explode]]"{{·wrap}} "[[No Hay Igual]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Promiscuous (song)|Promiscuous]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Maneater (Nelly Furtado song)|Maneater]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Te Busqué]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Say It Right]]"{{·wrap}} [[All Good Things (Come to an End)]]"{{·wrap}} "[[In God's Hands (song)|In God's Hands]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Do It]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Somebody to Love (Nelly Furtado song)|Somebody to Love]]" |
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| group5 = Guest singles |
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| list5 = "[[Ching Ching]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Fotografía]]"{{·wrap}} "Breath"{{·wrap}} "[[What's Going On (song)|What's Going On]]"{{·wrap}} "[[Give It to Me (Timbaland song)|Give It to Me]]" |
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| group7 = Related topics |
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<noinclude>[[Category:Featured picture nominations]] [[Category:Featured picture nominations/September 2008]]</noinclude> |
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| list7 = [[Nelly Furtado discography|Discography]]{{·wrap}} [[List of Nelly Furtado awards|Awards and nominations]]{{·wrap}} [[:Category:Nelly Furtado concert tours|Concert tours]]{{nowrap end}} |
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