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The '''New Party''' was a [[third political party]] in the [[United States]] that tried to re-introduce the practice of [[electoral fusion]] as a political strategy for [[labor unions]] and [[community organizing]] groups. In electoral fusion, the same candidate receives nomination from more than one political party and occupies more than one ballot line. Fusion was once common in the United States but is now commonly practiced only in [[New York State]], although it is allowed by law in seven other states. The party was active from 1992 to 1998. There had been an earlier New Party in 1968 that ran [[Eugene McCarthy]] for President. |
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==Not a good night for either one of us== |
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The New Party was founded in the early 1990s by [[Daniel Cantor]], a former staffer for [[Jesse Jackson]]'s 1988 presidential campaign, and by sociology and law professor [[Joel Rogers]] as an effort to break with the largely unsuccessful history of left-leaning [[third political party|third parties]] in the United States. |
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Ugh. First round losses for both of our clubs? Really? I see we lost by the same score. Not only that, but if you look at our stat sheets, we both lost in pretty much the exact same fashion. Up late, give up the equalizer with the clock winding down, give up a goal some time in OT, and then get caught off guard with our boys pushing up in the final minutes to seal the deal. I'm so ticked off because we had so many chances late, but their keeper was absolutely OUTSTANDING. It's going to be a LONG offseason. In the meantime, we're going to keep busy holding meetings and trying to drum up support for an MLS Detroit team. I tell ya, being the regular season champ is a curse. No one pulls off the double in the PDL; it's way too tough. Good luck with the Galaxy the rest of the way. At least you have something to fall back on. |
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Oh, by the way, the team we lost to, Kalamazoo, they're an affiliate of Sheffield Wednesday, so go easy on me. --[[User:Otav347|Otav347]] ([[User talk:Otav347|talk]]) 04:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC) |
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The party could best be described as [[social democratic]] in orientation, although party statements almost invariably used the terms "small-d democratic" or "[[Progressivism|progressive]]" instead. Its founders chose the name "New Party" in an effort to strike a fresh tone, free of associations with dogmas and ideological debates. |
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==Past PDL Season box scores== |
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After a false start in [[New York]], the New Party built modestly successful chapters in several states. Some of these chapters — such as those in [[Chicago]] and [[Little Rock]] — had their main bases of support in the low-income [[community organizing]] group [[Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now|ACORN]], along with some support from various [[labor unions]] (especially ACORN-allied locals of the [[Service Employees International Union]]). Other chapters — such as those in [[Minneapolis, Minnesota]], [[Missoula, Montana]], [[Montgomery County, Maryland]], and [[Dane County, Wisconsin]], received institutional support from a variety of other [[labor unions]] and community organizations. These chapters built local political organizations that ran or endorsed candidates, primarily in local [[non-partisan]] races but with occasional forays into [[Democratic Party (United States)|Democratic Party]] primaries or (more rarely) traditional [[third political party|third party]]-style independent candidacies as well. The party's chapters endorsed hundreds of political candidates, including [[Barack Obama]]'s 1996 run for the Illinois State Senate. <ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20001017221518/www.newparty.org/elecsuc.html Archived New Party web page detailing more than 200 successful candidates they supported]</ref><ref>Bruce Bentley, New Ground 42 (September-October 1995), [http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng42.html Chicago New Party Update]</ref> Party chapters were also active between elections, pressuring elected officials to pass legislation on issues such as [[living wage]]s and [[affordable housing]]. |
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As far as what I'm looking for for past playoff scores, I can usually find the goals easily on the PDL playoff pages, what I'm mainly looking for are cards, own goals (particularly the players charged with them), goals on PKs, and penalty shootout stats. If you can find any of those from '07 on back I'd appreciate it. I'm not in any rush, as I'm sure you're heading to Fresno along with having eleventy billion other things going on. Good luck to your Quakes as well... well, maybe not so much against the Tide! [[User:Mtndrums|Mtndrums]] ([[User talk:Mtndrums|talk]]) 01:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC) |
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==PDL Playoffs== |
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Left-wing critics of the New Party, such as supporters of the [[Green Party (United States)|Green Party]], argued that the New Party was merely a pressure group on the fringes of the [[Democratic Party (United States)|Democratic Party]], rather than a genuinely new [[political party]]. New Party leaders argued that classic third-party strategies were doomed to failure, but that the Democratic Party was too entrenched and undemocratic to be a useful institution for "small-d democrats" either, even if they could succeed in taking it over, and so a new kind of organization was needed. |
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Just wanna say congrats on the win tonight and in the process winning the division title. I'm sure you'll be taking a road trip up to Fresno for the weekend, so good luck. In the meantime, I'll be enjoying home games because the Bucks are hosting the Central playoffs (and hopefully more). Hope to see you in the later rounds. --[[User:Otav347|Otav347]] ([[User talk:Otav347|talk]]) 04:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC) |
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==Orange County/Ventura County update== |
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Although the party's founders hoped to foster a shift toward electoral fusion, thereby making a [[multi-party]] [[electoral system]] possible in the United States, they were not successful in doing so. Their hopes rested largely on the [[U.S. Supreme Court]] case [[Timmons v. Twin Cities Area New Party]]. In 1997, the Court rejected the New Party's argument that electoral fusion was a right protected by the [[First Amendment]]'s [[freedom of association]] clause.<ref>[http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-1608.ZS.html Timmons v. Twin Cities Area New Party (95-1608), 520 U.S. 351 (1997)] |
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I'm guessing you went to this game, as I'm also guessing you live in Ventura Co. based on your user page. When I first noticed you updated the standings, I thought, how the HELL did he get that result already? It's not posted anywhere. |
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</ref> This 6-3 decision marked the first time that the Court enshrined the [[two-party system]] as a fundamental feature of the US [[electoral system]]. |
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Good to know you're supporting your local PDL club as well as the Galaxy. Have to brag, though. [[Michigan Bucks|My local club]] is a lot better than yours. :-) How's attendance out there considering you have teams at the pro level? I know ours isn't bad (about 800 avg.), considering in such a big market it's the only game in town, not to mention no press anywhere outside of an occasional mention of a result. Our new supporters group is growing quite nicely, too. --[[User:Otav347|Otav347]] ([[User talk:Otav347|talk]]) 05:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC) |
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After the Timmons case, the New Party quickly declined. Several chapters — initially, those chapters not connected with [[Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now|ACORN]] — disaffiliated. Perhaps the only and certainly the most successful surviving local chapter, known as [[Progressive Dane]], remains active and relevant in [[Dane County, Wisconsin]]. Cantor and other key staff members left to found the [[Working Families Party]] of New York (1998), an organization which has had considerable success in building a New Party-style organization within New York state, and which is now exploring possibilities for expanding into other states. |
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Guess I should've read through your user page a little more. I would've noticed the whole working for the [[San Fernando Valley Quakes]] part. Anyway, nice job on all the PDL pages this year. It's really nice to see that this effort is continually growing. I was at the [[Michigan Bucks]] game against the [[Chicago Fire Premier]] last night, and we were talking to a couple of guys who decided to join our group. Turns out they just found out about the team's existence within the past week. (shows how far we still have to go, doesn't it?) How did they find out? Through a Wikipedia search, browsing through teams in the State of [[Michigan]]. They must've done some extra research into the team, decided to come out, and found us there going crazy (as supporters groups usually do). Needless to say, we now have a couple of new members. I think this year is really helping with crowds and such for us because we now have a home of our own (as a primary tenant, by the way), rather than bouncing from field to field throughout [[Metro Detroit]]. Hopefully word spreads around here about this team and eventually we can pack the place (2,000 capacity). Regarding our playoff chase, we can rest a little easier having clinched the division title already, but I tell you what, that damn [[Thunder Bay Chill]] just won't go away. A conference title would be nice, considering there's a first round bye on the line (I know, the Central Conference format is strange this year). Either way, I'm hoping the Bucks want to showcase their new digs to the league and get to host playoff games like last year. You know, people think I'm crazy that I pay attention to American soccer in general. They would probably think I've lost my mind knowing I support a team at this level. But I love it, and I'll be out there to support it. And I gotta say, The Herd (that's our group name) has made things a hell of a lot more fun this year. Breaks off from the fans that put you to sleep, that's for sure. Oh, look who's rambling now. Speaking of sleep, it's past 2 already here in the Great Lakes (I refuse to say East Coast, even though it's the same time), so I'm out for the night. It's been real nice talkin to ya. Hope to see you in the playoffs, and if you do come out here for a match, first pint is on me. --[[User:Otav347|Otav347]] ([[User talk:Otav347|talk]]) 06:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC) |
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Although the New Party has been effectively defunct since the late 1990s, a website still exists. |
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== Jamie Watson problem == |
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Hmm. This is quite a puzzling one. An anonymous user, who hasn't made any other edits than to remove the fact that Jamie Watson plays for the Austin Aztex. Even the Austin Chronicle said that he is the same Jamie Watson (as if there is another one) who played for RSL in a blog earlier this season. [http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Blogs/Sports/?oid=622724] In all honesty, I'm not the right person to be asking about this, because I have no more ability to do anything about it than you do. I'm stumped. Sorry, but I got nothing. --[[User:Otav347|Otav347]] ([[User talk:Otav347|talk]]) 04:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:This is absolutely amazing to me. I'll see if I can't get some admin help for this because it's just baffling that this person is so dedicated to removing the Austin Aztex from Jamie Watson's playing career. On a side note, I'm guessing the Aztex signed him up now so they can have him on their USL-1 team next year, because let's be honest, there aren't too many former MLS players that go to the PDL (outside of [[Eric Wynalda]], who signed with the [[Bakersfield Brigade]] for the season). --[[User:Otav347|Otav347]] ([[User talk:Otav347|talk]]) 01:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC) |
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==References== |
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==External links== |
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*[http://www.newparty.org NewParty.org] |
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==Question== |
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== Further reading == |
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Ela re papara ti leei? Kala eisai? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.73.68.240|85.73.68.240]] ([[User talk:85.73.68.240|talk]]) 09:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Sandbox to namespace == |
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Micah L. Sifry, Spoiling for a Fight: Third-Party Politics in America (2001) |
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I was directed to use my sandbox to create player bios before putting them up in the main area. The issue was they were getting tagged for speedy-deletion before I could finish. The question is how do i get it out into the main namespace? is it just a cut and paste? Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Coppercanuck|Coppercanuck]] ([[User talk:Coppercanuck|talk]]) 16:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC) |
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==[[Arizona Heatwave]]== |
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The use of vulgarity in removing the <nowiki>{{unref}}</nowiki> tag was not necessary. All you had to do was add the references and then remove the tag. All articles must contain [[verifiable]] [[source]]s as references, see [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]]. The tag is there to help improve the article; there is no reason to remove it until the refs are added. Would you please either add the refs or restore the <nowiki>{{unref}}</nowiki> tag. Thanks. [[User:Truthanado|Truthanado]] ([[User talk:Truthanado|talk]]) 00:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Same comment for [[New Hampshire Lady Phantoms]]. [[User:Truthanado|Truthanado]] ([[User talk:Truthanado|talk]]) 00:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Former players / current players == |
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I've read that discussion you linked to about limiting the list to former players, and see no discussion about that issue -- a lot about POV, and opinion, and OR, but not that. Is this consensus somewhere else, perhaps? I don't see why a significant current player shouldn't be on the list if they are plainly notable (it's not repetitive, because it supplies additional information about them not provided by a mere roster listing) and would like to see the discussion! I may be too late to the game but I figure if it's a consensus I will learn something about the thinking. Thanks. [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 11:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:It took a bit of digging but I found it. Had to sort of back into it via Special:Contributions, though. Odd. In any event - that's seems like a pretty weak consensus. As for me, I think a player can be both worth singling out for particular mention in a separate list, and be on the current roster. Why not? It's not redundant, because not everyone on the current roster makes the list. Some players are obviously more valuable than others, and excluding them just because they happen still to be playing for the team is arbitrary. I mean - does it really make sense that Jaime Moreno should on the NY notable list and not DC's? And if he's traded back to NY, he comes *off*? It's no more, or less, POV than a list confined to former players. I don't feel *that* strongly about this, but given the kind of tepid enthusiasm for the change, in a place that most soccer page editors never see, I'm not sure it compels changing lists whenever you come across them. [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 12:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for restoring that "rationale" paragraph on the DC United page. We may not see quite eye to eye on whether the list should be confined to 'former' players, but I agree that it's essential to supply *some* kind of criteria for inclusion. Facundo Erpen indeed. It had escaped my notice that someone had removed it. (I see BTW that the 'former' qualification was restored by someone along the way; I may be fighting a losing battle there!) [[User:JohnInDC|JohnInDC]] ([[User talk:JohnInDC|talk]]) 18:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Riverhounds/USL talk == |
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I've started a section on the [[Pittsburgh Riverhounds|Riverhounds]] [[Talk:Pittsburgh Riverhounds|talk page]] so that you and I as well as User:JaMikePA or anyone else can discuss it in the same location rather than spread out amongst one another's talk pages. [[User:JohnnyPolo24|JohnnyPolo24]] ([[User talk:JohnnyPolo24|talk]]) 20:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC) |
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==USL Notables== |
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For now I was just cleaning up the red links. As a rule of thumb for me, if they're red then they're probably no good since no one has bothered to make a page. Obviously I know that "rule" is ridiculous and that Julian Valentin and a few others deserve articles. Making them should be on our list of things to do, so don't think I'm just going through with a machete cutting every red link in sight. Mostly I was just going through the PDL articles to find players who have pages already who shouldn't. I know a lot of the "Notable Alumni" I have cut out are some of the same ones I have AfD'd or helped in ... so look for a bunch of prod's coming up soon from my dredging today. [[User:GauchoDude|GauchoDude]] ([[User talk:GauchoDude|talk]]) 02:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Absolutely, follow me around all night ;) rawr. I'm in the process of doing a semi-decent page for Nigel Marples. Basically I've been on [[USL Premier Development League]] and have worked my way down to the Southwest Division. I don't take offense at all, just trying to make the place better like you. [[User:GauchoDude|GauchoDude]] ([[User talk:GauchoDude|talk]]) 02:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Definitely can do. That bit probably won't be until tomorrow though, but consider it done. I'm on a creating type mood for the time being. [[User:GauchoDude|GauchoDude]] ([[User talk:GauchoDude|talk]]) 02:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Not a good night for either one of us
Ugh. First round losses for both of our clubs? Really? I see we lost by the same score. Not only that, but if you look at our stat sheets, we both lost in pretty much the exact same fashion. Up late, give up the equalizer with the clock winding down, give up a goal some time in OT, and then get caught off guard with our boys pushing up in the final minutes to seal the deal. I'm so ticked off because we had so many chances late, but their keeper was absolutely OUTSTANDING. It's going to be a LONG offseason. In the meantime, we're going to keep busy holding meetings and trying to drum up support for an MLS Detroit team. I tell ya, being the regular season champ is a curse. No one pulls off the double in the PDL; it's way too tough. Good luck with the Galaxy the rest of the way. At least you have something to fall back on.
Oh, by the way, the team we lost to, Kalamazoo, they're an affiliate of Sheffield Wednesday, so go easy on me. --Otav347 (talk) 04:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Past PDL Season box scores
As far as what I'm looking for for past playoff scores, I can usually find the goals easily on the PDL playoff pages, what I'm mainly looking for are cards, own goals (particularly the players charged with them), goals on PKs, and penalty shootout stats. If you can find any of those from '07 on back I'd appreciate it. I'm not in any rush, as I'm sure you're heading to Fresno along with having eleventy billion other things going on. Good luck to your Quakes as well... well, maybe not so much against the Tide! Mtndrums (talk) 01:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
PDL Playoffs
Just wanna say congrats on the win tonight and in the process winning the division title. I'm sure you'll be taking a road trip up to Fresno for the weekend, so good luck. In the meantime, I'll be enjoying home games because the Bucks are hosting the Central playoffs (and hopefully more). Hope to see you in the later rounds. --Otav347 (talk) 04:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Orange County/Ventura County update
I'm guessing you went to this game, as I'm also guessing you live in Ventura Co. based on your user page. When I first noticed you updated the standings, I thought, how the HELL did he get that result already? It's not posted anywhere.
Good to know you're supporting your local PDL club as well as the Galaxy. Have to brag, though. My local club is a lot better than yours. :-) How's attendance out there considering you have teams at the pro level? I know ours isn't bad (about 800 avg.), considering in such a big market it's the only game in town, not to mention no press anywhere outside of an occasional mention of a result. Our new supporters group is growing quite nicely, too. --Otav347 (talk) 05:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Guess I should've read through your user page a little more. I would've noticed the whole working for the San Fernando Valley Quakes part. Anyway, nice job on all the PDL pages this year. It's really nice to see that this effort is continually growing. I was at the Michigan Bucks game against the Chicago Fire Premier last night, and we were talking to a couple of guys who decided to join our group. Turns out they just found out about the team's existence within the past week. (shows how far we still have to go, doesn't it?) How did they find out? Through a Wikipedia search, browsing through teams in the State of Michigan. They must've done some extra research into the team, decided to come out, and found us there going crazy (as supporters groups usually do). Needless to say, we now have a couple of new members. I think this year is really helping with crowds and such for us because we now have a home of our own (as a primary tenant, by the way), rather than bouncing from field to field throughout Metro Detroit. Hopefully word spreads around here about this team and eventually we can pack the place (2,000 capacity). Regarding our playoff chase, we can rest a little easier having clinched the division title already, but I tell you what, that damn Thunder Bay Chill just won't go away. A conference title would be nice, considering there's a first round bye on the line (I know, the Central Conference format is strange this year). Either way, I'm hoping the Bucks want to showcase their new digs to the league and get to host playoff games like last year. You know, people think I'm crazy that I pay attention to American soccer in general. They would probably think I've lost my mind knowing I support a team at this level. But I love it, and I'll be out there to support it. And I gotta say, The Herd (that's our group name) has made things a hell of a lot more fun this year. Breaks off from the fans that put you to sleep, that's for sure. Oh, look who's rambling now. Speaking of sleep, it's past 2 already here in the Great Lakes (I refuse to say East Coast, even though it's the same time), so I'm out for the night. It's been real nice talkin to ya. Hope to see you in the playoffs, and if you do come out here for a match, first pint is on me. --Otav347 (talk) 06:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Jamie Watson problem
Hmm. This is quite a puzzling one. An anonymous user, who hasn't made any other edits than to remove the fact that Jamie Watson plays for the Austin Aztex. Even the Austin Chronicle said that he is the same Jamie Watson (as if there is another one) who played for RSL in a blog earlier this season. [1] In all honesty, I'm not the right person to be asking about this, because I have no more ability to do anything about it than you do. I'm stumped. Sorry, but I got nothing. --Otav347 (talk) 04:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- This is absolutely amazing to me. I'll see if I can't get some admin help for this because it's just baffling that this person is so dedicated to removing the Austin Aztex from Jamie Watson's playing career. On a side note, I'm guessing the Aztex signed him up now so they can have him on their USL-1 team next year, because let's be honest, there aren't too many former MLS players that go to the PDL (outside of Eric Wynalda, who signed with the Bakersfield Brigade for the season). --Otav347 (talk) 01:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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Ela re papara ti leei? Kala eisai? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.73.68.240 (talk) 09:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Sandbox to namespace
I was directed to use my sandbox to create player bios before putting them up in the main area. The issue was they were getting tagged for speedy-deletion before I could finish. The question is how do i get it out into the main namespace? is it just a cut and paste? Thanks in advance for your help. Coppercanuck (talk) 16:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
The use of vulgarity in removing the {{unref}} tag was not necessary. All you had to do was add the references and then remove the tag. All articles must contain verifiable sources as references, see Wikipedia:Citing sources. The tag is there to help improve the article; there is no reason to remove it until the refs are added. Would you please either add the refs or restore the {{unref}} tag. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 00:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- Same comment for New Hampshire Lady Phantoms. Truthanado (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Former players / current players
I've read that discussion you linked to about limiting the list to former players, and see no discussion about that issue -- a lot about POV, and opinion, and OR, but not that. Is this consensus somewhere else, perhaps? I don't see why a significant current player shouldn't be on the list if they are plainly notable (it's not repetitive, because it supplies additional information about them not provided by a mere roster listing) and would like to see the discussion! I may be too late to the game but I figure if it's a consensus I will learn something about the thinking. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 11:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- It took a bit of digging but I found it. Had to sort of back into it via Special:Contributions, though. Odd. In any event - that's seems like a pretty weak consensus. As for me, I think a player can be both worth singling out for particular mention in a separate list, and be on the current roster. Why not? It's not redundant, because not everyone on the current roster makes the list. Some players are obviously more valuable than others, and excluding them just because they happen still to be playing for the team is arbitrary. I mean - does it really make sense that Jaime Moreno should on the NY notable list and not DC's? And if he's traded back to NY, he comes *off*? It's no more, or less, POV than a list confined to former players. I don't feel *that* strongly about this, but given the kind of tepid enthusiasm for the change, in a place that most soccer page editors never see, I'm not sure it compels changing lists whenever you come across them. JohnInDC (talk) 12:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for restoring that "rationale" paragraph on the DC United page. We may not see quite eye to eye on whether the list should be confined to 'former' players, but I agree that it's essential to supply *some* kind of criteria for inclusion. Facundo Erpen indeed. It had escaped my notice that someone had removed it. (I see BTW that the 'former' qualification was restored by someone along the way; I may be fighting a losing battle there!) JohnInDC (talk) 18:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Riverhounds/USL talk
I've started a section on the Riverhounds talk page so that you and I as well as User:JaMikePA or anyone else can discuss it in the same location rather than spread out amongst one another's talk pages. JohnnyPolo24 (talk) 20:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
USL Notables
For now I was just cleaning up the red links. As a rule of thumb for me, if they're red then they're probably no good since no one has bothered to make a page. Obviously I know that "rule" is ridiculous and that Julian Valentin and a few others deserve articles. Making them should be on our list of things to do, so don't think I'm just going through with a machete cutting every red link in sight. Mostly I was just going through the PDL articles to find players who have pages already who shouldn't. I know a lot of the "Notable Alumni" I have cut out are some of the same ones I have AfD'd or helped in ... so look for a bunch of prod's coming up soon from my dredging today. GauchoDude (talk) 02:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Absolutely, follow me around all night ;) rawr. I'm in the process of doing a semi-decent page for Nigel Marples. Basically I've been on USL Premier Development League and have worked my way down to the Southwest Division. I don't take offense at all, just trying to make the place better like you. GauchoDude (talk) 02:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Definitely can do. That bit probably won't be until tomorrow though, but consider it done. I'm on a creating type mood for the time being. GauchoDude (talk) 02:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
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Re the Controversy section: Considering the fanboy deletions are mostly the product of anonymous IP addresses, is there cause to semi-protect the article? –TashTish (talk) 13:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
SF Glens
Why do the Glens have mention of history in the SFSFL w/link yet it is said they were founded in 2008? Libro0 (talk) 05:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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