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{{dablink|For the [[Islamic]] devil, see [[Iblis]]. See [[Satan]] for the [[Judaism|Jewish]] view or see [[Devil]] for the devil in other religions, the term devil, and the concept influenced by Christianity in general.}}


[[Image:Lucifer Liege Luc Viatour.jpg|thumb|right|200px|''Lucifer'', by [[Guillaume Geefs]] (Cathedral of St. Paul, [[Liège]], Belgium)]]In mainstream [[Christianity]], the [[Devil]] is named [[Satan]], sometimes [[Lucifer]]. He is a [[fallen angel]] who rebelled against [[God]]. He is often identified as the serpent in the [[Garden of Eden]], whose persuasions led to [[original sin]] and the need for [[Jesus]] [[Christ|Christ's]] redemption. He is also identified as the Accuser of [[Book of Job|Job]], the tempter of the [[Gospels]], and the [[dragon]] in the [[Book of Revelation]].


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Traditionally, Christians have understood the Devil to be the author of lies and promoter of [[evil]], however he can go no further than the word of God allows. [[Liberal Christianity]] however, often views the devil metaphorically. Much of the popular history of the Devil is not biblical; instead, it is a post-medieval Christian reading of the scriptures influenced by medieval and pre-medieval Christian popular mythology.
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Teachings about the Devil vary, depending on the local folklore. Still, the characteristics present in the Bible are present in each depiction.
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===The Devil as rebel===
== Ghost FAC ==


Do you think that the FAC is progressing too slowly, and thus may die due to lack of participation? Its almost been three days and so far only one editor has left a support or oppose comment, and three others have made miscellaneous comments that don't go either way. I'm contemplating dropping another note in on WP:VG, asking for some more participation to prevent it from stalling and failing because of lack of interest. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 20:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
According to the gospels of Matthew (chapter 4) and Luke (chapter 4), the Devil tempted Jesus at the beginning of his ministry. After Jesus fasted forty days in the wilderness, the Devil approached Jesus with offers of stones turned to bread, rulership over the kingdoms of the Earth (but with subservience to the Devil himself), and spectacular protection from physical harm. Satan uses the Scripture of the Old Testament to solidify his arguments. This would indicate Satan's full knowledge of all of Scripture, and a use of that knowledge to tempt and deceive man (Mat 4). Jesus refused all three temptations, rebuking Satan with His own knowledge of Scripture (Mat 4).
:See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:S@bre#perhaps.3F] <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 01:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


:Done. I did consider putting something like "although Nihilistic and Swingin' Ape were developing the game, the cinematics were developed by Blizzard themselves" or something along those lines, but I couldn't get it to a reasonably short length while still describing whats in the shot. Hopefully the addition of the higher standards of quality than previous SC titles to the caption should be enough. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 16:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Christianity holds several different views on Christ's role in defeating Satan. Some emphasize Christ's death and resurrection as sealing Satan's fate, so that the Devil is already defeated though not banished. Others emphasize the Devil's final judgment when Christ returns, at which time the terror and deceit of Satan will have no more effect on the world. This is because mankind will face final judgment, and the earth will be purged or cleansed with fire. Satan will be bound to the [[lake of fire]] (Rev 20) with the Beast, the false prophet, and all those whose names are not in the [[Book of Life]]. There will no longer be any way for Satan to have an impact on mankind.


:I don't suppose you can come up with a bit of better wording for that "suspended development" stuff in the intro as Randomran suggested? I suppose it is a bit awkward phrasing, but I honestly can't come up with anything better. -- [[User:S@bre|Sabre]] ([[User talk:S@bre|talk]]) 19:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
===Possession by the Devil===
The Devil, as well as his demons, are portrayed as able to possess and control humans. The [[Roman Catholic Church]] occasionally performs [[exorcism]]s, and some [[Evangelical Christianity|Evangelicals]] do so regularly. Demons can also possess household objects, especially electrical appliances: according to Vatican exorcist Gabriele Amorth, "Demons occupy a house and appear in electrical goods. ... [I]t is normal for domestic appliances to be involved and for demons [to] make their presence known via electricity."<ref>[http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat4.htm]]</ref>


== List of universities in British Columbia ==
===The Devil and black magic===
Since the Middle Ages, the Devil has been described as granting spells and magic powers to sorcerers and witches. In [[Acts of the Apostles]] 16:16 [[Saint Paul]] meets 'a slave girl who had an evil spirit that enabled her to predict the future'. He performs an exorcism using the name of [[Jesus Christ]]. However in the Old Testament practitioners of black magic were required to be put to death. ({{bibleverse||Exodus|22:18}}).


[[Template:BC universities map]]. Another one where they're all bunched up. This time around Vancouver. I kept the entire map of BC because I figured it is more encyclopedic that way, but I will crop and re-vector if you wish. I should get the Quebec one done by tomorrow, and I noticed your DYK for Nova Scotia. You want one of that too? [[User:Matthewedwards|Matthewedwards]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Matthewedwards|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Matthewedwards|contribs]]&nbsp;<small>•</small> [[Special:Emailuser/Matthewedwards|email]]) 07:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
==History of the Devil in Christianity==
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===The Devil in the Old Testament===


== GAN request ==
In some Christians' views, the Devil's first appearance in the Old Testament is as the serpent in the Garden of Eden that appears in the story of [[Adam and Eve]] eating the fruit (traditionally identified as an apple, though not identified as such in the Bible) of the [[Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil]]. In God's rebuke to the serpent, he tells it "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." ({{bibleverse||Genesis|3:14-15}})


Hi Gary, I see that you are a prolific GA reviewer, and that you have some interest in chemical elements given your work on featuring [[Noble gas]]. Would you be interested in reviewing [[iridium]], which has been sitting at [[WP:GAN]] for a while? --[[User:Itub|Itub]] ([[User talk:Itub|talk]]) 08:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Christian scriptures identify the serpent with the Devil. The deuterocanonical [[Book of Wisdom]] says, "But by the envy of the devil, death entered the world, and they who are in his possession experience it." (Wisdom 2:24) Satan is implicitly identified, in the New Testament, with the serpent in Eden, in Revelation 12:9: "This great dragon--the ancient serpent called the Devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world--was thrown down to the earth with all his angels."


:OK, no worries. It is a FAC now in case you are interested. --[[User:Itub|Itub]] ([[User talk:Itub|talk]]) 08:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
When identified with the term, "[[Satan]]" (from Hebrew שָׂטָן, ''Adversary''), the Devil also appears in the heavenly court to challenge Job, with God's permission. This seems to be Satan's primary role- to use whatever guiles he may to cause humans to sin, and ultimately cause them to get sent to hell.


== DYK for Nintendo DSi ==
Some Christian concepts of the Devil include [[Lucifer]], which traditionally gives a name to the Devil. The name, Lucifer, is translated from the Latin, meaning loosely, "Light Bringer" (analogous to the Greek, [[Phosphorus]]) and is also used symbolically to mean the "Morning Star", (i.e. Venus), which held some significant meanings for Babylonians as mentioned in Isaiah 14:12. In this view, Lucifer is not used to refer exclusively to the "[[Lucifer#The_Morning_Star_in_Isaiah_14:12|king of Babylon]]", but rather solely (or additionally) makes reference to Satan before he fell, while he was yet uncorrupted, but powerful and glorious, and an angel of God.


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In [[Eastern Orthodox Christianity]], Satan is one of humanity's three enemies, along with sin and death (in some other forms of [[Christianity]] the other two enemies of mankind are "the world",<ref>{{bibleverse||Jam|4:4}}</ref> and self (or the [[flesh]]), which is to be taken as man's natural tendency to [[sin]]). <ref>{{bibleverse||Rom|6:6}}</ref>
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== Peer review for [[Veronica Mars]] ==
===The Devil in the New Testament===
[[Image:Ary Scheffer - The Temptation of Christ (1854).jpg|thumb|left|The Devil depicted in ''The Temptation of Christ'', by [[Ary Scheffer]], 1854.]]


Gary,
The Devil figures much more prominently in the [[New Testament]] and in [[Christianity|Christian]] [[theology]] generally. The New Testament records numerous accounts of the Devil working against God and his plan.


Cornucopia and I are going to try to get [[Veronica Mars]] to featured article status. Given your experience at FAC, I'd love to have you look over what we have now, and help aggressively copyedit what we've got so far (which just passed GA) in order to get to FA. Feel like taking a look? [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 16:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
The [[Temptation of Christ]] features the Devil, and is described in all three [[synoptic gospel]]s, ({{niv|Matthew|4:1-11|Matthew 4:1-11}}, {{niv|Mark|1:12-13|Mark 1:12-13}}, and {{niv|Luke|4:1-13|Luke 4:1-13}}), although in Mark's gospel he is called [[Satan]].


== Muse awards ==
In all three [[synoptic gospel]]s, ({{bibleverse||Matthew|9:22-29}}, {{bibleverse||Mark|3:22-30}}, and {{bibleverse||Luke|11:14-20}}), Jesus' critics accuse him of gaining his power to cast out demons from Beelzebub, the chief demon (often identified with Satan in mainstream Christendom). In response, Jesus says that a house divided against itself will fall, so, logically speaking, why would the Devil allow one to defeat the Devil's works with his own power?


Hey dude, just thought I'd let you know that Muse have been nominated for another award. If you want to put it in [[List of awards and nominations received by Muse|the article]], then go for it. I may do it but do not have time right now. See this link: http://www.festivalawards.com/index.cfm?section=awards.nominees&method=view&year=2008&artistid=561. Cheers mate. [[User:Andre666|Andre666]] ([[User talk:Andre666|talk]]) 19:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
There are numerous incidences of demonic possession in the New Testament. Satan himself is said to have entered [[Judas Iscariot]] before [[The kiss of Judas|before Judas's betrayal]]. ({{niv|Luke|22:3|Luke 22:3}}) Jesus encounters those who are possessed and casts out the evil spirit(s). A person may have one demon or multiple demons inhabiting their body. Jesus encountered a man filled with numerous demons in Mark 5:1-20. Jessie Penn-Lewis's "[[War On The Saints]]" includes dates and recorded examples of demon possession in recent history.


== Final Fantasy VII ==
===The Devil in Traditional Christianity===
[[Image:Guido_Reni_031.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[St. Michael]]'s defeat of Satan.]]


Hi. FF7 just recently passed GA status, so I was thinking if we can cleanup [[FFXIII]] and later send it to PR, we can get the Final Fantasy titles FT back. You can see [[User:The Prince of Darkness/Sandbox|here]] the titles that I think should be included, i.e. removing Mystic Quest and FFX-2, as they aren't part of the main series. So what do you think? [[User:The Prince of Darkness|The Prince]] ([[User talk:The Prince of Darkness|talk]]) 23:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
In [[John Milton]]'s epic poem ''[[Paradise Lost]]'', the theme is further developed &mdash; Satan is believed to have been an [[archangel]] who turned against [[God]] before the creation of man. Prophecies in [[Isaiah]] 14<ref>For example, see Jerome, "To Eustochium", Letter 22.4, To Eustochium</ref> and [[Ezekiel]] 28 are thought by some to be referring metaphorically to Satan, rather than to the king of Babylon.
:OR is definitely a problem. IP addresses usually ad this, and it is often left unnoticed. I have, however, added the article to my watchlist, and will revert anything I detect as OR. My problems with the articles are: 1. ref 7 doesn't seem to be reliable. It should probably be replaced by another reliable one. 2. I think ref 14 is incorrectly formatted. The {{tl|cite journal}} template, I believe, is the one which should be used. 3. are FF-XIII.net and FinalFantasy-XIII.net reliable? They look like fansites to me. 4. ref 18 ([http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/fabula-nova-crystallis/interviews/famitsu_jf2006_eng.php]) doesn't show any content, and ref 25 ([http://games.ign.com/articles/889/889001p1.html]) is a dead link. 5. Is PSX Extreme reliable? Other than that, it looks okay, but I don't know that much about the game, so I don't know if anything is not as it should be. It's a shame that the game won't be released for Wii (at least as of yet) because that's the only seventh generation console I own. [[User:The Prince of Darkness|The Prince]] ([[User talk:The Prince of Darkness|talk]]) 15:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


== To be blunt ==
According to most [[Christian eschatology]], Satan will wage a final war against [[Jesus]], before being cast into Hell for "aeonios." <ref>Aeonios, literally translated, means of or pertaining to an age, which is incorrectly translated as "all eternity."</ref> The [[Unification Church]], a sect that deviates from mainstream Christianity, teaches that Satan will be restored in the [[eschatology|last days]] and become a good angel again <ref>see [http://www.tparents.org/library/unification/books/lcah/0-toc.htm Lucifer, A Criminal Against Humanity]</ref>. A few early Church Fathers are known to have prayed for Satan's eventual repentance<ref name="Kelly" />; it was not generally believed that this would happen. On the other hand, Dispensationalists teach that Jesus returns to earth before the [[Great Tribulation|Tribulational]] period to reclaim the righteous, dead and living, to meet Him in the air (known as the [[Rapture]] <ref>see {{bibleverse|1|Thess|4:17}}</ref>. Many Fundamentalists believe that immediately following this, the Tribulational period will occur as prophesied in the book of Daniel, while others (especially [[Seventh-day Adventists]]) believe that immediately following Jesus' Second Coming, Satan will be bound on this Earth for a thousand years, after which he will be “loosed for a little season” <ref>a short time, see {{bibleverse||Rev|20:1-3}}</ref>&mdash;this is when the battle of [[Armageddon]] (the final confrontation between good and evil) will be waged&mdash;and Satan and his followers will be destroyed once and for all, the Earth will be cleansed of all evil and there will be “a new Heaven and a new Earth” where sin will reign no more.<ref>{{bibleverse||Rev|21:1-4}}</ref>


Have you thought of going through RfA again? the last one seemed pretty back but it's been a while since then. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#060">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] 23:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
In the New Testament, [[Letter of Jude]] (Jude 1:9) the [[Archangel Michael]] is described arguing with the Devil over the body of [[Moses]]. This dispute is shown in the painting by [[Guido Reni]] called "St. Michael the Archangel" showing Satan being crushed underfoot.


== [[List of WarCry band members]] ==
==Other views==
===Gnostics===
In various [[Gnostic]] sects, Satan was praised as the giver of knowledge, sometimes with references to [[Lucifer]], “the light-bringer.”


I already fixed all the mistakes you found on the article. Do you think now it can pass the review to be a Featured List?[[User:Rockk3r|<span style="solid red;padding:1px;"><font size="-1" style="color:red;">'''''&nbsp;Rockk3r '''''</font></span>]] [[User talk:Rockk3r|<font size="-4" color="Navy">Spit it Out!</font>]] 04:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
===Middle Ages===
[[Image:Nuremberg chronicles - Devil and Woman on Horseback (CLXXXIXv).jpg|thumb|250px|right|The Devil on horseback. ''[[Nuremberg Chronicle]]'' ([[1493]]).]]
Particularly in the medieval period, Satan was often depicted as having horns and a goat's hindquarters. He has also been depicted as carrying a pitchfork, and with a forked tail. None of these images seem to be based on Biblical materials, as Satan's physical appearance is never described in the bible, Qur'an or any other religious text. Rather, this image is apparently based on pagan [[horned god]]s, such as [[Pan (god)|Pan]] and [[Dionysus]], common to many [[mythology|mythologies]] <ref>Powell, Barry B. Classical Myth. Second ed. With new translations of ancient texts by Herbert M. Howe. Upper Saddle River, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, Inc., 1998.</ref>. Pan in particular looks very much like the images of the medieval Satan. Some images are based on [[Baphomet]], which is portrayed in Eliphas Lévi's 1854 Dogme et rituel de la haute magie (English translation Transcendental Magic, its Doctrine and Ritual)<ref>[http://www.templarhistory.com/levi.html Eliphas Lévi: The Man Behind Baphomet]</ref>. Even some Satanists use Baphomet as the image of Satan in Satanic worship. It has been alleged that this image was chosen specifically to discredit the [[Horned God]] <ref name ="Kelly"> Kelly, Henry A. ''Satan: A Biography''. Cambridge University Press, 2006.</ref>.


I know, what I mean if, from your own point of view. I know that it needs to be reviewed by other people.[[User:Rockk3r|<span style="solid red;padding:1px;"><font size="-1" style="color:red;">'''''&nbsp;Rockk3r '''''</font></span>]] [[User talk:Rockk3r|<font size="-4" color="Navy">Spit it Out!</font>]] 04:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
The [[Middle Ages|medieval]] [[Cathar]]s identified the devil with the [[demiurge]] of older [[gnosticism|gnostic]] and [[Neoplatonism|Neoplatonic]] tradition. Earlier sects believed the [[Old Testament]] [[Tetragrammaton|Yahweh]] was, in fact, the devil, based partially on ethical interpretations of the [[Bible]] and partially on the beliefs of earlier gnostic sects (such as the [[Valentinians]]) who regarded the god of the Old Testament as evil or as an imperfect Demiurge. Early [[Gnosticism|Gnostics]] called the Demiurge ''[[Yaw (god)|Yao]],'' the [[Aramaic language|Aramaic]] cognate to the [[Tetragrammaton]], YHWH (Yahweh). Moreover, modern research into [[Ugarit]]ic texts revealed that the names of the Jewish god were the same as earlier gods worshipped in the same region; Yahweh is cognate to Ugaritic [[Yaw (god)|Yaw]] who was the Semitic deity of chaos, evil, and world domination.


== DYK for List of Adobe Systems mergers and acquisitions ==
===As a sympathetic character===
[[Image:GustaveDoreParadiseLostSatanProfile.jpg|thumb|left|Satan, from Gustave Doré's illustations for ''Paradise Lost''.]]


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The [[epic poetry|epic poem]] by [[John Milton]], ''[[Paradise Lost]]'', has a stylized depiction of the devil that influenced [[C. S. Lewis]] (''[[The Screwtape Letters]]'' and ''[[Space Trilogy]]''), and the [[J. R. R. Tolkien]] characters [[Morgoth]] and [[Sauron]]. Satan acts much like a [[protagonist]] of the first half of the story, styling himself as an ambitious underdog rebelling against [[Heaven]]. He becomes less sympathetic in the second half as the snake that tempts [[Adam and Eve]] in the [[Garden of Eden]].
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== [[FarCry 2]] ==
Both ''[[Faust]]'' and ''[[The Tragical History of Doctor Faustus]]'' feature the demon known as [[Mephistopheles]], (also spelled Mephistophilius), who is summoned by Faust to sell his soul for a limited number of years of pleasure. Mephistopheles often shows regret and remorse for rebelling against God. In one famous scene from ''Faustus'', Mephistopheles tells Faust that he cannot leave [[Hell]]. When Faust tells him that he seems to be free of Hell at that moment, the devil responds with "''Why this is hell, nor am I out of it./ Think’st thou that I, who saw the face of God,/And tasted the eternal joys of heaven,/ Am not tormented with ten thousand hells/ In being deprived of everlasting bliss?''" Rather than glorifying the Devil, he is shown as a sad figure.
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Hey, Are you interested in helping this article?. --[[User:SkyWalker|SkyWalker]] ([[User talk:SkyWalker|talk]]) 11:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:How come anyone can play it now?. The game is not released yet :P. The article needs loads of work not sure who else to ask too. DO you know anyone?. --[[User:SkyWalker|SkyWalker]] ([[User talk:SkyWalker|talk]]) 16:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

::Will do but incase if you have time can you help?.--[[User:SkyWalker|SkyWalker]] ([[User talk:SkyWalker|talk]]) 16:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
== Names of the Devil in Christianity==
=== Old and New Testament names ===

Originally, only the epithet of "the satan" ("the adversary") was used to denote the character in the Hebrew deity's court that later became known as "the Devil." (The term "satan" was also used to designate human enemies of the Hebrews that [[Yahweh]] raised against them.) The article was lost and this title became a proper name: '''Satan'''. There is no unambiguous reference to the Devil in the Torah, the Prophets, or the Writings.

{{bibleverse||Zechariah|3:1}} has been erroneously interpreted by some to mean Satan, "the Devil", but such is not the case. The [[Hebrew Bible]] views ha-satan as an angel ministering to the desires of God, acting as Chief Prosecutor.

*'''[[Azazel]]''': {{bibleverse||Leviticus|16:8}} "And Aaron shall cast lots over the two goats, one lot for the LORD and the other lot for Azazel." Also, {{bibleverse||Leviticus|16:10}} {{bibleverse||Leviticus|16:26}}

*'''Satan''': {{bibleverse||Luke|10:18}} "I saw Satan fall like [[lightning]] from heaven." See also {{bibleverse||Matthew|4:10}} {{bibleverse||Matthew|12:26}} {{bibleverse||Mark|4:15}} {{bibleverse||Luke|22:31}} {{bibleverse||Acts|26:18}} {{bibleverse||1Corinthians|5:5}} {{bibleverse||2Corinthians|11:14}} {{bibleverse||1Thessalonians|2:18}} {{bibleverse||1Timothy|5:15}} {{bibleverse||Revelation|3:9}} {{bibleverse||Revelation|20:2}}

*'''The Tempter''': {{bibleverse||Matthew|4:3}}--"And when [[Temptation of Christ|the tempter came to him]]." Also, {{bibleverse||1Thessalonians|3:5}}

*In {{bibleverse||Matthew|10:25}}, {{bibleverse||Matthew|12:24}}, {{bibleverse||Mark|3:22}}, and openly in {{bibleverse||Luke|11:18-19}} there is an implied connection between Satan and [[Beelzebub]] (originally a [[Semitic]] [[deity]] called [[Baal]], and referred to as ''Baal-zebul'', meaning ''lord of princes'') '''Beelzebub''' (lit. ''Lord of the Flies'') has now come to be analogous to Satan.

*'''The Wicked One''': {{bibleverse||Matthew|13:19}}--"Then cometh the wicked one." {{bibleverse||Matthew|6:13}}, {{bibleverse|1|John|5:19}}. This title suggests that Satan is one who is wicked himself. [[Abrahamic religion]]s generally regarded sin as a physical manifestation of opposition to God, and therefore evil; dissent only comes from the topic of 'where does sin come from?'

*In {{bibleverse||John|12:31}} and {{bibleverse||John|14:30}} Satan is called '''Prince of this World''' (Rex Mundi); this became a nickname for him.

*In {{bibleverse|2|Corinthians|6:15}} the Devil is referred as '''[[Belial]]'''. "What agreement does Christ have with Belial?" Also, in the [[Old Testament]], rebellious people and nonbelievers are sometimes called 'sons of Belial'. See also {{bibleverse||Deuteronomy|13:13}} {{bibleverse||Judges|20:13}} {{bibleverse||1Samuel|2:12}} {{bibleverse||2Samuel|23:6}} {{bibleverse||1Kings|21:10}} {{bibleverse||2Chronicles|13:7}}

*In {{bibleverse|2|Corinthians|4:4}} the Devil is called "the god of this world"

*{{bibleverse|1|Peter|5:8}}--"Your '''Adversary''' the devil." By adversary is meant one who takes a stand against another. In the Christian worldview, Satan is the adversary of both God and the believers.

*'''The Devil, diabolos''': This name is ascribed to Satan at least 33 times in the Christian scriptures and indicates that Satan is an accuser or slanderer ({{bibleverse||Revelation|12:9}}).

*'''The [[European dragon|Dragon]]''' or '''The Old Serpent''': These epithets are used extensively in the [[Book of Revelation]].

There are some who erroneously claim that the word 'devil' is from 'd'evil' -'of evil.' Some also believe that because the word 'evil' itself is 'live' spelt backward, the word originated through the nature of evil being "against living things," or the antithesis of life itself. Both claims are false, as the words are etymologically derived from pre-existing languages.

===Further development===

When the [[Bible]] was translated into [[Latin]] (the [[Vulgate]]), the name [[Lucifer]] appeared as a translation of "[[Morning Star]]", or the planet [[Venus]], in [[Isaiah]] 14:12. Isaiah 14:1-23 is a passage largely concerned with the plight of [[Babylon]], and its king is referred to as "morning star, son of the dawn". This is because the Babylonian king was considered to be of godly status and of symbolic divine parentage ([[Bel (mythology)|Bel]] and [[Ishtar]], associated with the planet Venus).

While this information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian [[Cuneiform script|cuneiform]] text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible. Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from [[Heaven]]. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian [[dogma]] and popular tradition.

The [[Hebrew Bible]] word which was later translated to "Lucifer" in English is הילל (transliterated HYLL). Though this word, ''Heilel'', has come to be translated as "morning-star" from the Septuagint's translation of the Scriptures, the letter ה in Hebrew often indicates singularity, much as the English "the," in which case the translation would be ה "the" ילל "yell," or "the wailing yell."

Later, for unknown reasons, [[Christian demonology|Christian demonologists]] appeared to designate "Satan", "Lucifer", and "Beelzebub" as different entities, each with a different rank in the hellish hierarchy. One hypothesis is that this might have been an attempt to establish a hellish trinity with the same person, akin to the Christian [[Trinity]] of [[God the Father|Father]], [[Son of God|Son]] and the [[Holy Spirit]], but most demonologists do not carry this view.

===In Christian tradition===

Christian tradition differs from that of Christian demonology in that ''Satan'', ''Lucifer'', ''Leviathan'' and ''Beelzebub'' all are names that refer to "''the Devil''", and ''Prince of this World'', ''The Beast'' and ''Dragon'' (and rarely ''Serpent'' or ''The Old Serpent'') use to be elliptic forms to refer to him. ''The Enemy'', ''The Evil One'' and ''The Tempter'' are other elliptic forms to name the Devil. ''[[Belial]]'' is held by many to be another name for the Devil. Christian demonology, in contrast, does not have several nicknames for Satan.

It should be noted that the name ''[[Mephistopheles]]'' is used by some people to refer to the Devil, but it is a mere folkloric custom, and has nothing to do with Christian demonology and Christian tradition. ''Prince of Darkness'' and ''Lord of Darkness'' are also folkloric names, although they tend to be incorporated to Christian tradition.

In English, the Devil has a number of [[epithet|epithets]], including Old Scratch, Old Nick and others.

==Disputes==
===Is the Devil in Hell?===
The belief that Satan is in [[Hell]] has its roots in Christian literature rather than in the Bible. The Bible states that he still roams heaven and earth.<ref>{{bibleverse||Job|1:6-7}}</ref> It also states that Satan appeared with other angels "before the Lord," presumably in heaven. When God asked Satan where he had been, Satan replied, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it". {{bibleverse|1|Peter|5:8}} declares, "Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour".

===How could an angel commit sin and rebel against God?===
[[Thomas Aquinas]], in his ''[[Summa Theologiae]]'', said:

<blockquote>"An angel or any other rational creature considered in his own nature, can sin; and to whatever creature it belongs not to sin, such creature has it as a gift of grace, and not from the condition of nature. The reason of this is, because ''sinning is nothing else than a deviation from that rectitude which an act ought to have''; whether we speak of sin in nature, art, or morals. That act alone, the rule of which is the very virtue of the agent, can never fall short of rectitude. Were the craftsman's hand the rule itself engraving, he could not engrave the wood otherwise than rightly; but if the rightness of engraving be judged by another rule, then the engraving may be right or faulty." </blockquote>

==In fiction and popular culture==
{{Main|Satan in literature|Satan in popular culture}}

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

{{New Testament people}}

[[Category:Demons in Christianity]]
[[Category:Satanism]]

[[ar:الشيطان في المسيحية]]

Revision as of 16:05, 10 October 2008


Ghost FAC

Do you think that the FAC is progressing too slowly, and thus may die due to lack of participation? Its almost been three days and so far only one editor has left a support or oppose comment, and three others have made miscellaneous comments that don't go either way. I'm contemplating dropping another note in on WP:VG, asking for some more participation to prevent it from stalling and failing because of lack of interest. -- Sabre (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

See [1] Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 01:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Done. I did consider putting something like "although Nihilistic and Swingin' Ape were developing the game, the cinematics were developed by Blizzard themselves" or something along those lines, but I couldn't get it to a reasonably short length while still describing whats in the shot. Hopefully the addition of the higher standards of quality than previous SC titles to the caption should be enough. -- Sabre (talk) 16:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't suppose you can come up with a bit of better wording for that "suspended development" stuff in the intro as Randomran suggested? I suppose it is a bit awkward phrasing, but I honestly can't come up with anything better. -- Sabre (talk) 19:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

List of universities in British Columbia

Template:BC universities map. Another one where they're all bunched up. This time around Vancouver. I kept the entire map of BC because I figured it is more encyclopedic that way, but I will crop and re-vector if you wish. I should get the Quebec one done by tomorrow, and I noticed your DYK for Nova Scotia. You want one of that too? Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 07:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Nova Scotia universities map. Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 23:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

GAN request

Hi Gary, I see that you are a prolific GA reviewer, and that you have some interest in chemical elements given your work on featuring Noble gas. Would you be interested in reviewing iridium, which has been sitting at WP:GAN for a while? --Itub (talk) 08:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, no worries. It is a FAC now in case you are interested. --Itub (talk) 08:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Nintendo DSi

Updated DYK query On 9 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nintendo DSi, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt (talk) 09:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, three in 24 hours? You're like a factory! Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 23:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Peer review for Veronica Mars

Gary,

Cornucopia and I are going to try to get Veronica Mars to featured article status. Given your experience at FAC, I'd love to have you look over what we have now, and help aggressively copyedit what we've got so far (which just passed GA) in order to get to FA. Feel like taking a look? Jclemens (talk) 16:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Muse awards

Hey dude, just thought I'd let you know that Muse have been nominated for another award. If you want to put it in the article, then go for it. I may do it but do not have time right now. See this link: http://www.festivalawards.com/index.cfm?section=awards.nominees&method=view&year=2008&artistid=561. Cheers mate. Andre666 (talk) 19:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Final Fantasy VII

Hi. FF7 just recently passed GA status, so I was thinking if we can cleanup FFXIII and later send it to PR, we can get the Final Fantasy titles FT back. You can see here the titles that I think should be included, i.e. removing Mystic Quest and FFX-2, as they aren't part of the main series. So what do you think? The Prince (talk) 23:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

OR is definitely a problem. IP addresses usually ad this, and it is often left unnoticed. I have, however, added the article to my watchlist, and will revert anything I detect as OR. My problems with the articles are: 1. ref 7 doesn't seem to be reliable. It should probably be replaced by another reliable one. 2. I think ref 14 is incorrectly formatted. The {{cite journal}} template, I believe, is the one which should be used. 3. are FF-XIII.net and FinalFantasy-XIII.net reliable? They look like fansites to me. 4. ref 18 ([2]) doesn't show any content, and ref 25 ([3]) is a dead link. 5. Is PSX Extreme reliable? Other than that, it looks okay, but I don't know that much about the game, so I don't know if anything is not as it should be. It's a shame that the game won't be released for Wii (at least as of yet) because that's the only seventh generation console I own. The Prince (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

To be blunt

Have you thought of going through RfA again? the last one seemed pretty back but it's been a while since then. Wizardman 23:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I already fixed all the mistakes you found on the article. Do you think now it can pass the review to be a Featured List? Rockk3r Spit it Out! 04:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I know, what I mean if, from your own point of view. I know that it needs to be reviewed by other people. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 04:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for List of Adobe Systems mergers and acquisitions

Updated DYK query On 10 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of Adobe Systems mergers and acquisitions, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 11:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Are you interested in helping this article?. --SkyWalker (talk) 11:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

How come anyone can play it now?. The game is not released yet :P. The article needs loads of work not sure who else to ask too. DO you know anyone?. --SkyWalker (talk) 16:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Will do but incase if you have time can you help?.--SkyWalker (talk) 16:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)