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'''Highbridge''' is a residential neighborhood geographically located in the southwest Bronx, [[New York City]]. The neighborhood is part of [[Bronx Community Board 4]]. Its boundaries, starting from the north and moving clockwise are: the [[Cross-Bronx Expressway]] to the north, Jerome Avenue to the east, East 161st Street to the south, and the [[Harlem River]] to the west. Ogden Avenue is the primary thoroughfare through Highbridge. The local subway is the 4 line; operating along Jerome Avenue. Zip codes include 10452. The area is patrolled by the 44th Precinct located at 2 E 169th Street in [[Concourse]]. NYCHA property in the area is patrolled by P.S.A. 7 at 737 Melrose Avenue in the [[Melrose, Bronx|Melrose]] section of [[the Bronx]].
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==Demographics==
::I believe it is the section "Content disputes" and the Arbitration Committee's probation imposed on Kosovo-related articles, administered as part of the Macedonia/Balkan region probation. The recent edit revision history of the article I am requesting full page protection for, [[2008 Kosovo declaration of independence]], extends the editorial conflicts addressed on [[talk:International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence]]. Instead of blocking the page, you could block [[User:Tocino]] for deliberately introducing false information (e.g., he put in that 32 countries have officially rejected the independence of Kosovo while sourcing this claim and list of countries ostensibly with references, which on examination, reveal the claim to be false and the list of not-recognizing countries, padded with countries which took no such position -- for example, Morocco, Portugal, India have not acted officially to deny recognition; for Morocco, we don't even have any information as to its reaction, other than a press account labeling Morocco as "concerned"). Or, your could warn User:Tocino for repeated removal of neutral, inclusive of the opposing viewpoints map display, in favor of retaining only one of the maps. That contribution expressly censors the competing POV and removes the undisputed who-recognized-officially-only green/gray map used in the main article. But blocking User:Tocino would impair the ongoing RFC about the Wikipedia name use for Prishtina, the capital of Kosovo. Merely warning, would keep the user editing, and there is a chance, that warned, he might come around to consensus, or at least, give up introducing false information and removing NPOV map documentation, since he has already recently been blocked for 24-hours for edit warring on this topic and acknowledged having been placed on probation. Alternatively, you could block from edits both him and ''me'', but that would be entirely unfair to me, as I am working to keep the article, and in fact all of Wikipedia, factual and correctly sourced, free of POV, and I have not been disruptive. My edit history shows that my edits range all over the map. Here, by augmenting Serbian reaction section and introducing the Serbia's reaction article, I represented the Serbian viewpoint. I also took my map improvements to the talk page, and justified them there. And, once again, since you wrote back to me, User:Tocino reverted my corrections to his claims, restoring the 32 opposing countries texts, and reintroduced the one POV only map situation. User:Tocino described my earlier revert as vandalizm his edit summary. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 21:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Highbridge has a population under 35,000. For decades Highbridge has been one of the poorest communities in America. Over half the population lives below the poverty line and receives public assistance (AFDC, [[Home Relief]], Supplemental Security Income, and Medicaid). The majority of residents in the area are of [[Puerto Rican American|Puerto Rican]], [[Dominican Americans|Dominican]], or [[African American]] descent. The vast majority of households are renter occupied.<ref>[http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/lucds/bx4profile.pdf Bronx Community District 4]</ref>
:::I'm sorry, this is too much for me to follow. Please use [[WP:RFPP]], or if people have broken the 3RR, use [[WP:AN3]]. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 21:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


==Land use and terrain==
== Re. Please advise. ==
Highbridge is dominated by 5 and 6-story tenement buildings, older multi-unit homes, vacant lots, and newly constructed subsidized attached multi-unit townhouses and apartment buildings. A significant percentage of the original housing stock was structurally damaged by arson and eventually razed by the city. The total land area is roughly one square mile. The terrain is elevated and very hilly. Stair streets connect areas located at different elevations.


===Low income public housing projects===
Hello Mareklug. Well, I believe that your request at [[WP:RFPP]] might have been declined due to the fact that the edit war was just starting and there was thus insufficient information of a full scale edit war that would have surely resulted in full protection to the article (by the way, that's how we call it: we don't "block" articles, we "protect" them). If the edit war continues, then do relist your request at [[WP:RFPP]]. It will likely to be accepted. I also have to agree that you might have failed to control yourself sometimes, when in the face of your opponent Tocino. Edit warring is never a good choice, as it only worsens a dispute and can indeed grant blocks to both of you (although I think that a topic ban would be quite an unlikely/draconian measure, you're not causing that much trouble as far as I see). My suggestion is, when Tocino (or any other user) makes an edit that you strongly disagree with, refrain from reverting right away and instead, summon the other party to the talk page. Then two things may happen: either he joins the discussion so you can both argue your points of view, or he doesn't join the discussion and provides you with a good reason for requesting an administrator's intervention against his unilateral actions. I hope this helps. Best regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 02:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
*There are three NYCHA developments located in Highbridge.<ref name=NYCHA>[http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/html/home/home.shtml NYCHA]</ref>
# Highbridge Gardens; six, 13-story buildings.
# Highbridge Rehabs (Nelson Avenue); three, 5 and 6-story rehabilitated tenement buildings.


==History==
== RE: Adoption_and_terms_of_the_declaration_of_independence ==
The neighborhood takes its name from the [[High Bridge (New York City)|High Bridge]] built in 1848 to carry [[Croton Aqueduct]] water across the Harlem River. It was once a predominately Irish neighborhood.


==Social problems==
Hello Mareklug,
{{Citecheck|date=March 2008}}
By now you know that I have been banned from the talk pages of the Kosovo related articles. I was reading the Kosovo declaration article and realized that it states that Kosovos UDI was signed by 109 PM and rejected by minorities and serbs. This, however is not true since Kosovos assembly has 120 seats out of which 20 are reserved for minorities. Out of this 20, 10 for the serbs and 10 for the others. Other minorities did sign the declaration and that is evident from the transcript of the meeting. It is in Albanian, but all the way in the end one can read who signed and who was not present. Two names come to my mind. '''Mahir Yagcilar''' from one of the Turkish parties and Zylfi Merxha from one of the Roma parties, he represents other minorities as well in the '''G7+''' parliamentary group. Obviously there are seven other minority representatives that signed and maybe someone who knows better the political scene could help out. Here is the transcript in PDF and also the link to the list with parties in Kosovo. http://www.assembly-kosova.org/common/docs/proc/trans_s_2008_02_17_al.pdf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Kosovo. Thanks you. I really appreciate your work here.
Many social problems associated with poverty from crime to drug addiction have plagued the area for some time. Despite crime declines versus their peaks during the crack and heroin epidemics violent crime continues to be a serious problem in the community. <ref name=44th>[http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs044pct.pdf 44th Precinct CompStat Report]</ref> Highbridge has significantly higher drop out rates and incidents of violence in its schools.<ref >[http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/fea/20060320/202/1792 NYC Dropout Rates]</ref> Students must pass through metal detectors and swipe ID cards to enter the buildings. Reminiscent a prison environment which many feel encourages bad behavior. Other problems in local schools include low test scores and high truancy rates. Drug addiction is also a serious problem in the community. Due to the lucrative drug trade in the area many addicted reside in the community. Peer pressure among children who come from broken homes contributes to the high rate of usage. Many households in the area are headed by a single mother which contributes to the high poverty rate.<ref>[http://www.lehman.cuny.edu/deannss/bronxdatactr/discover/bxtext.htm Bronx Census Data Analysis]</ref> Many of whom had their children at a very young age and unfortunately could not provide for their children. Many of the families living in Highbridge have been in poverty for generations. The incarceration rate in the area is also very high.<ref>[http://www.wnyc.org/blog/lehrer/archives/archive/NYC%20Analysis-9%20copy2.gif NYC Prison Expenditure]</ref> Many if not most males in the community have been arrested at some point in their lives. This has a direct correlation to aggressive policing tactics including "sweeps" due to the area's high crime rate. Highbridge is home to a significant number of inmates currently held in New York state prison and jail facilities.
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence#Adoption_and_terms_of_the_declaration_of_independence [[User:Jawohl|Jawohl]] ([[User talk:Jawohl|talk]]) 09:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


==Urban renewal==
::Thanks, Jawohl. I hope your topic ban will be shortened, which Husond mentioned as a possibility, albeit left up to the imposing admin. As for the Albanian transcript, the annotation "Mungon!" means absent, and "Nuk është prezent!" means is not present; can't say why both phrases are used interchangably, for a total of 11. Of the 11, only one has a non-obviously Serbian patronymic/last name: "Ftoj deputetin e Kuvendit të Kosovës, Mursel Halili. Mungon!". Perhaps this representative also represented the Serbian minority? For now, I will assume the correctness of the Chicago Tribune account, and I will make the necessary factual change in [[2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence#Adoption and terms of the declaration of independence]], sourcing it to the above transcript and to the Chicago Tribune source I used when identifying the absent 11 as representing the Serbian minority in the lead for [[International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence]]. The presently used source in [[2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence#Adoption and terms of the declaration of independence]] that is used with the false statement you are writing about is sourced to a Finnish-language source, which makes it rather opaque as verifiability goes. Perhaps one of the Albanian-fluent editors can cast full light on this issue, identifying all minority parliamentarians who signed, by what minority they were elected to represent. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 10:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
After a wave of arson ravaged the low income communities of New York City throughout the 1970s, many if not most residential structures in Highbridge were left seriously damaged or destroyed. The city began to rehabilitate many formally abandoned tenement style apartment buildings and designate them low income housing beginning in the late 1970s. Also many subsidized attached multi-unit townhouses and newly constructed apartment buildings have been or are being built on vacant lots across across the neighborhood.


==Schools==
I do not know what Mursim Halili is. He could be Gorani or was simply not able to attend for whatever reason. From what I understood so far, the 100 + 20 system, was put in place in order to motivate minorities to take part in the parliamentary life. If serbs would vote directly they would get additional 10 seats which are reserved for them. This "positive discrimination" should be the case also for the other minorities and is supposed to function until everyone participates in the institutions, meaning seats would be given per vote. As for the other minorities, they have all endorsed the declaration, except for the Gorani, which seem to be split (and maybe serb speaking Roma?). I have seen footage of Goranis celebrating the UDI on youtube but that is no evidence. One thing is clear. The other minorities have been used by both sides as a ball in this whole issue. The law in force does require that certain Ministries are run by certain minorities and this has been the case until today. There are Turkish, Bosniak and Serb Ministers or vice-ministers, who pursue their tasks. Of course the serb ministers officially do not cooperate and since the UDI, reports regarding their cooperation are rather conflicting.
===Public===
: As for the ban, I just wrote to Husond, that I am not interested to request a lift of my ban, since here, some individuals think that fighting others POV contributes more then offering additional sources. Good luck. [[User:Jawohl|Jawohl]] ([[User talk:Jawohl|talk]]) 12:13, 11 April 2008
* PS 11: High Bridge (Merriam and Ogden Avs)
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* PS 73: Joseph Dellacava (West 165th St and Anderson Av)
* PS 126: Dr. Marjorie Dunbar (West 166th St and University Av)
* PS 199: William Shakespeare (West 172nd St and Shakespeare Av)


==Call to Arms==
==Transportation==
*Bx11: to [[Simpson Street (IRT White Plains Road Line)|Simpson St Station]] or [[George Washington Bridge Bus Terminal]] (via 170th St)
This is ridiculous, when I was voting to merge the article for Kosova I was severely tricked. They turned Rep of Kosova into a region, and mainly about Serbian history. When you go to Hashim Thaçi page you read about how he is the PM of Kosovo (which leads to the territory) that page should lead to his government in Rep. of Kosova. We need to have more than one article in which Kosova or Kosovo need to lead to Kosovo (disambigius) and the reader can pick which article he/she wishes to read. I, want to make a Rep of Kosova article, WP is acting as if Rep. of Kosova doesn't exist --- this is silly, it does, it's recognized, and it's currently in power. I am calling on a few people to help me draft this, I am willing to spend time writing this, and I wish your help.
*Bx13: to [[George Washington Bridge Bus Terminal]] or [[161st Street–Yankee Stadium (New York City Subway)|Yankee Stadium-161st Street station]] (via Ogden Av)
*Bx35: to [[Simpson Street (IRT White Plains Road Line)|Simpson St Station]] or [[George Washington Bridge Bus Terminal]] (via 167th St)


==Facts==
Also, do you speak Shqip? I was surprised when I read the "mungon" you wrote above --- bravo my friend, bravo, Shumë Bukurë!
*The BXTF (Bronx Task Force) division of the NYPD is housed at the old 44th Precinct house at 1278 Sedgwick Avenue.
*The opening scene to [[New Jack City]] was filmed in Highbridge.
*In March 2007, a fire broke out at 1022 Woodycrest Avenue, killing several people. It was one of the worst fires in the Bronx since 1990.


==References==
Thank You
{{reflist}}
'''Ari'''


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Image:Hbtenementbx.JPG|Tenement building in Highbrige.
Image:Hbstairstreet.JPG|Stair street in Highbridge.
Image:Hbhomebx.JPG|Multi-unit home in Highbrige.
Image:Hbbxfire.JPG|Memorial left in remembrance of 1022 Woodycrest Avenue fire victims.


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[[User:Kosova2008|Kosova2008]] ([[User talk:Kosova2008|talk]]) 21:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


{{Bronx}}


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==2008 Kosovo Declaration of Independence==
Hello. I have moved some of the countries who were listed under will not recognize and have trimmed the list down to 27 because Turkmenistan hasn't made a response that we know of... Iraq, Mali, Morocco, and Portugal have all expressed concern or have wished for further negotiations so I moved them to the expressed concern category. I have also removed Burkina Faso, Malta, and Thailand from countries which have expressed concern or wish for further negotiations. All of these moves are in accordance with the stated positions of the respective countries which are documented on the international reaction article.


[[Category:Neighborhoods in the Bronx]]
Those two maps which were recently added had caused a huge break in the article... there is only room for one map without disrupting the flow of the article. Also having two maps of the same kind is confusing to the reader. --[[User:Tocino|Tocino]] 23:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:United States communities with Hispanic majority populations]]

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== Pristina ==

Please argue your view in the talk page and do not use edits on the Kosovo article to argue your ideas. Please discuss changes in the article PRIOR to making those changes. It's very appreciated. Thank you. [[User:Beamathan|Beam]] 18:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Please don't justify your OR edit summaries by asking me to discuss what has been continually discussed and is being discussed on the talk page. In case you have not noticed, the talk page contains a section directing attention to the outstanding RfC on the spellings of Pristina in the Wikipedia. It is full of evidence. And I am not about to replicate it verbatim in yet another section. I have instituted a NPOV method of representing all three English spellings jointly, at the same time linking directly to articles. The same in the case of Kosovska Mitrovica, the Serbian name which Albanians know as Mitrovica and on Wikipedia it lives at [[Mitrovica, Kosovo]]. There are other proximate towns in Serbia known as Mitrovica, which in those cases necessitates full diambiguation which just happens to be synonymous with the Serbian name.

I am not pushing any point of view, but fixing a faulty "compromise". Institutions, as I noted in the comment in code, use all three spellings, and per Wikipedia policy cited by admin [[User:ChrisO]], who authored the naming conventions for Kosovo and Macedonia and others, we must call institutions by the names they theymselves use. See his comments on the talk page of [[University of Priština]], which is another even more intractable case of needing to use all three spellings of the city in the English language. So please don't justify your edits and reverts with a) OR, b) bylaws recently elected by one or two editors on a talk page. I am being bold yet inclusive and NPOV in my edits in this matter, and the case is actively being discussed and has been on several talk pages. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 18:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh boy. Sorry man, the consensus is Pristina is correct, I have no clue what you're talking about. GO start a new section on the Kosovo talk page. But don't make edits without doing so. It's appreciated! [[User:Beamathan|Beam]] 18:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

And you do realize that this is an English Wiki, right? That's why it's Pristina. It's the English spelling. Ok? [[User:Beamathan|Beam]] 18:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

:Please don't condescend. Read the article on the city itself. Right of the bat, we define 3 equivalent English spellings, without passing judgment on which one to use. The Englishness of "Prishtina" is shown in the Request for Comments to be dating to at least 1905 in Encyclopedia Britannica. University pages of major American universities such as Princeton, Harvard, University of Iowa, Dartmouth College etc. all refer to Prishtina and University of Prishtina. The Municipality of Prishtina represents itself as such on its English language official web page. The official web pages of the airport, the Albanian university and of the President's Office, Prime Minister's Office and the Government Portal of Kosovo all in unison use the spelling "Prishtina'. So please don't invent that "Pristina" is the only English language spelling. And instead of appreciating or having no clue (your words), please read what is being discussed and the erudite evidence cited on the very talk page to which lengthening you keep calling me to pointlessly do. As I already told you, I have discussed these edits on various talk pages. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 18:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

What section on the Kosovo Talk Page are you talking about? Please keep your responses here as well, instead of going back and forth to my talk page.

If you show me what you're talking about, on the Kosovo Talk Page, I won't revert your edits. I'll give you a few minutes to do so. Good luck! [[User:Beamathan|Beam]] 18:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm just going to go ahead and revert your changes. If you come up with proof of a consensus on the Kosovo Talk Page, than you can reinstate them. Until then, please stop editing the Kosovo article. Thanks!! [[User:Beamathan|Beam]] 18:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

:You are being unreasonable. You did not even give me the few minutes you yourself offered one sentence above. The difference between your signature times is all of FOUR MINUTES. What is your hurry? You're making this into a "let's give 'em a fair trial and then hang 'em" skit. And why aren't you ''not'' reacting to my considered, informative, meritorious presentation of evidence contrary to your assertion? And there is no consensus on this matter!

:The [[Talk:Kosovo]] page has 19 archives already as of today, and there is no easy way to search through them all, in order to document to you "hurryupquickly", where on that talk page the (now archived) section is lodged, where the RfC announcement about how to spell Pristina was lodged, ''transferring the locus of discussion away from the Kosovo talk page by Wikipedia rule''. But you can go to this relevant page, and see the section at the bottom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(Kosovo-related_articles)#RfC_on_the_Prishtina.2FPristina.2FPri.C5.A1tina_naming_dispute This announcement was also posted to Talk:Kosovo at the time. And this discussion is ongoing. So please aquaint yourself with it as well as the talk page for the city itself. I will restore my edits, and please don't you tell me what I may edit or not on Wikipedia, because that borders on ridiculous and completely unreasonable, not to mention, unfriendly. Your massive revert undid a lot of small improvements. So please spare us your heavy hand, esp. since you are losing NPOV improvements. Thank you. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 19:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

You're very confrontational! We have had a consensus on the Kosovo article to use Pristina. I'm sorry but if you don't want your "small improvements" reverted, than don't change anything regarding Pristina. I'll go along with [[WP:ASG]] and say you're trying to do good, but it's just not working. Start a new section on the Kosovo talk page or something. Until you do, Pristina is the accepted way to note Pristina in the Kosovo article. Good luck buddy! [[User:Beamathan|Beam]] 19:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

And honestly, I don't have that much of a view on it. I think Pristina is the obvious way English speakers spell the name. But it won't hurt the article to have it all three ways in parentheses. So please, do start a new section in the Talk Page. I'd like to open the discussion again anyway, as we've had several edits to the "Pristina" parts of the article recently. Good luck! [[User:Beamathan|Beam]] 19:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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[[Talk:Kosovo#Pristina.2FPrishtina.2FPri.C5.A1tina]] - I have started a talk page section on this very subject, so go make your opinion heard! [[User:Beamathan|Beam]] 19:18, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

==May 2008==
[[Image:Stop hand.svg|30px|left|Warning]]
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly{{#if:Kosovo|, as you are doing at [[:Kosovo]]}}. If you continue, you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for [[Wikipedia:Edit war|edit warring]], even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.<!-- Template:3RR --> -- [[User:Fullstop|Fullstop]] ([[User talk:Fullstop|talk]]) 21:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re. please advise ==

Hello Mareklug. I couldn't reply earlier but I see that the edit request regarding Ukraine is being discussed at the talk page under a modified form, so far with no opposition. It's probably better to wait until tomorrow to see if there's consensus to implement it. If no significant opposition arises, I'll proceed. Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 19:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:On Ukraine, you said to add some dates to it ect. Could you please do that as im struggling? thanks [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 14:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 15:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


== Threats ==

Hi! I need to complain about the threats and inexplicable arch-hostile behaviour of user LUCPOL towards me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:81.106.128.119

He wrote it in Polish, but I do not know why I should be bullied without any reason here... How can I officially reprot this??? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.106.128.119|81.106.128.119]] ([[User talk:81.106.128.119|talk]]) 10:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Thank you for writing to me about this. [[User:Piotrus]] is an experienced, Polish-speaking English Wikipedia administrator, and has worked extensively in the past with [[User:LUCPOL]], and hails from [[Katowice]], so he should be well acquainted with Silesia-related disputes and can assess the merits of disputes involving the region. I have no reason to think him biased in any way. Please try to enlist his assistance. Good luck, and whatever comments are made and whatever happens, just try to just edit the Wikipedia to your best ability, striving to maintain, improve and introduce neutral, scholarly content. Best wishes, --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 11:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ja też mu życzę wielu "neutralnych" edycji. Jednak na razie jest to IP bez żadnego merytorycznego wkładu w Wikipedię, jedynie co wprowadza to POV, trolling, ataki osobiste, spam i... zamieszanie. Odpisałem mu (tym razem grzeczniej) w dyskusji a co tak naprawdę chodzi. [[User:LUCPOL|LUCPOL]] ([[User talk:LUCPOL|talk]]) 13:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

==Thank you for the correction==

Hi Mareklug. I have just noticed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ev&curid=5496278&diff=210560371&oldid=178339228 your edit] to my user page. Thank you for correcting the text :-)</br>Best regards, [[User:Ev|Ev]] ([[User talk:Ev|talk]]) 16:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

:Commenting on your proposal -with a simple [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AKosovo&diff=213048231&oldid=212918271 "go ahead"]- was one of the first edits I did today. I also took the liberty of adding your signature to your comments: it seems that you had signed with five tildes <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki> instead of the standard four ones <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, a mistake we all do from time to time (cf. [[Wikipedia:Signatures#How to sign your posts|How to sign your posts]] :-). - Best regards, [[User:Ev|Ev]] ([[User talk:Ev|talk]]) 19:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re. Question -- ArbComm probation violated? ==

Hello Mareklug. I don't think Tocino is breaking the probation in that diff, he's just going a bit off topic. You could remind him that Wikipedia is not a forum, but as far as I can see it, that particular diff doesn't represent any big concern requiring sanctions. Thank you for contacting me. Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 21:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thank you for reporting this. The diff you provided does display a completely unacceptable behavior. I've decided not to ban Tocino right away, but instead give a firm/last warning. Hopefully this will not happen again. Please report any further instances of incivility from this (or any other) user. Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 03:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

== Regina Spektor ==

Hi, your rationale doesn't address the reasoning for removal. There is still no demonstration of significance or context for the inclusion of her heritage in the lead. In effect, something that denotes relevance. For example, [[Colin Powell]]'s bio' provides explicit context for inclusion of African-American in the lead. Please see [[WP:NAMES]] which provides a sparse indication of my position (someone should really expand that). References to her heritage weren't removed and remained prominent in the main body but that doesn't constitute an assertion of significance for the lead. There is no explanation for its prominence (e.g. significance to her music, to her notability). Regards, [[User:SoLando|SoLando]] ([[User talk:SoLando|Talk]]) 10:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

:The NAMES redirect is just a conveniant (lazy) redirect for me ;-). Also, apologies for the repetition in directing you to that page; I originally intended to initiate a discussion on the article's talk page but decided against that. I do respect your position and agree, to an extent, but what is stated in the main body of text is of no consequence if the initial mention of her heritage in the lead doesn't demonstrate significance to the subject. Asserting that the main body demonstrates relevance doesn't validate the current lead; it's presently devoid of any assertion of significance. Without context, some readers will likely question the prominence before scrolling down the page to learn more: "So what? What's the importance?". Leads should be representative of an article and contain only information that is demonstratively relevant to the subject and properly contextualised, especially when it involves religion and ethnicity.
:I agree an RFC would be disproportionate. I believe this can be easily resolved. There are essentially two options: demonstrate significance, á la Colin Powell, with sourced exposition on the relevance of the religion and ethnicity to the subject (e.g. influence on music, notability) or remove it from the lead and retain references to her heritage in the early life section and elsewhere in the article. I'm not that familiar with this musician but I have a further example: [[Issy Smith]]. The article's lead contextualises his religion/ethnicity quite explicitly, making relevance to the lead and subject indisputable.
:These guidelines have been formulated by consensus and therefore are representative of the Wikipedia community, its conventions, standards, and "preferences" (even if a majority of the community did not participate in discussion or agrees with them). Common sense from a Wikipedia perspective would dictate the question: how does the current lead enhance the article? Why should it remain without context using a rationale seemingly irrelevant to the current state of the lead? It has become a convention to omit a subject's ethnicity and religion from the lead/intro' when significance is not apparent in ''the'' lead or/and when it is unsourced, especially for articles within the scope of [[WP:BLP|BLP]]. If the importance of her religion/ethnicity is unequivocal, its relevance to the lead should be stated and sourced. The introduction's current formulation is totally unacceptable by the aforementioned reasoning. Regards, [[User:SoLando|SoLando]] ([[User talk:SoLando|Talk]]) 16:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ethnicity ==
Russian Jewish is an ethnicity, one that is universally acknowledged and self-identified by many individuals, including [[Regina Spektor]]. Please take a look at any source or interview about this singer. Have you? [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] ([[User talk:Badagnani|talk]]) 19:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

You seemed to be leaving a message on my talk page implying that her Jewishness should be left out of the lead, but in fact "Russian Jewish" is an ethnicity that I think should clearly be included. Right now, however, the wording is a bit cumbersome ("Soviet Union-born Jewish Russian American"). [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] ([[User talk:Badagnani|talk]]) 19:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

No cursing. I won't discuss with you further. [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] ([[User talk:Badagnani|talk]]) 20:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Last time i checked, been Russian Jewish meant that you were a Russian National and you followed the religion of Judaism, not an ethnicity. [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 21:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

:The disucussion of this issue on my talk page is out of place, as [[User:Badagnani]] raised it for no rational reason.

:It was another user (see section immediately above) who wants [[Regina Spektor]]'s ethnicity as described in her article lead -- contextualized and sourced, ''in the lead'', that's all. But, Badagnani was apparently unable to grasp that, and wrote instead on ''my talk page'', as if it was I who raised any objections in the first place, whereas I merely attempted to communicate to him on his talk page the need to make repairs in that lead, and to seek his help in this contextualizing and sourcing. Debating what is Russian Jewishness here is completely unnecessary and uncalled for. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 22:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== please ==

Please comment on the content and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AInternational_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence&diff=216407319&oldid=216406873 not] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence&diff=prev&oldid=216406301 on the] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence&diff=prev&oldid=216404414 contributor]. There are less confrontational and insulting and much more civil ways to find to say these things, and I encourage you to find them.

Thanks - [[User:Revolving Bugbear|<font color="006666">Revolving Bugbear</font>]] 19:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

:''Dear Revolving Bugbear, thank you for the note concenring my 3 most recent talk page entries in the matter of Sierra Leone recognizing Kosovo being missourced and the demands being made that Wikipedia act on these inferior sources. I admit the tone was harsh, and I will refrain to the best of my ability from doing it again.''
:''However, I think I was commenting on the edits and not the editor, albeit disparragingly. Both editors were demanding that we act on uncertain news (one even wrote "I want Sierra Leone in the article"). I have been accused of being a pro-Kosovo editor, and in this instance I was expressly finding fault in pro-Kosovo demands, in Ian's case, an editor who is editing this article intensively and if should know better. His claim that he could not identify by looking whether the sources were all in Albanian was disingeneous, and, too, influenced my say. But I will refrain in the future. Best wishes, --Mareklug talk 00:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)''

::Thanks. I appreciate this. I know the editing gets hot sometimes, but I think everyone would agree that things go much smoother when everyone tries to treat each other with respect.
::Cheers - [[User:Revolving Bugbear|<font color="006666">Revolving Bugbear</font>]] 19:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
i thank you for Your help by article [[Muzeum Ziemi Szprotawskiej]] and [[Castle Chrobry in Szprotawa]] etc.--[[User:Marcosilesiani|Marcosilesiani]] ([[User talk:Marcosilesiani|talk]]) 20:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:Just thanks for being there in the int reaction to the 2008 Kosova DOI. Tocino has been changing the sources
and falsifying the information. Again, thanks. BTW do you know how to start lobbying for recognition? I been wanting
to join a pre-existing one and send fliers, email people, or whatever it takes to get the KV on board. [[User:Kosova2008|Kosova2008]] ([[User talk:Kosova2008|talk]]) 16:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Lobbying for Rep. of Kosova of course. I know that you have written to officials of embassies and such offices and I was wondering exactly how you worded your requests and/or letters. I just want to do something, spread the word, spread the information, get it going. I never told anyone, but, I am a loyal person of KosovaThanksYou.com. If a new country recognizes I inform them first, so far I informed them 5 countries, the rest, I was beaten by someone else; it's a good letter receiving a letter from KosovaThan..com thank you. Any help is appreciated[[User:Kosova2008|Kosova2008]] ([[User talk:Kosova2008|talk]]) 05:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== edit undone ==

No need to get worked up about it. Everybody makes mistakes. It looked okay to me, but I didn't look closely enough. A simple "I do not agree to this edit, can you please undo it?" would have sufficed instead of a writ of "no standing" and "highly irregular". Chillax a little, my friend. Cheers - [[User:Revolving Bugbear|<font color="006666">Revolving Bugbear</font>]] 21:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:''Thank you so much for undoing the edit promptly. I do not regret writing it up, because the situation is murky and needs elucidating. And we are agitated, what with unceremonious hurried editprotects recently carried out by another admin -- see talk page for those voices. Best wishes, --Mareklug talk 22:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)''

::I'm not saying you shouldn't expound upon your reasons for objecting. You should, in fact; that's why we have these sorts of discussions. I'm just saying I don't feel that you needed to be quite so condemning towards me. I looked at it briefly and didn't think there would be any objections. Clearly I was wrong, and I have ''no problem'' admitting that at such a simple indication as "hey I disagree". I don't have a horse in this race, so I assure you it was a sin of carelessness, not malice. Cheers - [[User:Revolving Bugbear|<font color="006666">Revolving Bugbear</font>]] 22:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

==Repeated incivility and failure to assume good faith==

Your behavior has been reported [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#User:Mareklug here]. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert|talk]]) 11:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Per earlier recommendation, your behavior has been reported [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Repeated_incivility_and_bad_faith_of_User:Mareklug here]. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert|talk]]) 05:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

==wikicommons==

Can ask, do you have an account on wikicommons by any chance? [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 14:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

:I certainly do. [[:Image:CountriesRecognizingKosovo.png]] - list of authors/uploaders. :) What'chu need? --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 14:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

::Well i have commons too. I've uploaded a few photos of Auschwitz and Kraków. I was wondering if you would right a little description on each, in Polish to help people on Polish wikipedia when they are looking on commons. I have a gallery on my profile of all the pictures i have uploaded of Auschwitz and Kraków, you can find it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ijanderson977/Gallery here], they are all uploaded on commons. If was wondering if you would do that for me please. You know what to do, click on the photo itself then click edit and add the Polish description please. ;) [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 15:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:Sure. I'll get to it between the halves of the Croatia/Austria game, I hope. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 15:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Haha im watching that too. I want Croatia to win ;)
It'l make it easier to find the pictures i have uploaded on commons if you see [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ijanderson977 my contributions on commons ] [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 16:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

:Actually my gallery on commons will make it even easier see my gallery [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=Ijanderson977] [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 16:57, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

==Barnstar==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:Commons-barnstarW.png|100px]]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Commons Ambassador Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I award you the Commons Ambassador Barnstar for adding the Polish descriptions to my pictures on [[Wikicommons]]. Thank you very much ;) [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 19:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
|}

:Your welcome. I know me and you disagree sometimes, but thats only human. Anyway you helped me when i required assistance, so I thought you dissevered it. Yes they are rare, I think thats the second Ive given lol. I'm not going to revert what you said. When I went to Krakow, that Jewish graveyard was about 30 - 40 minutes drive away from central Krakow. I have forgotten the towns name.

<br>

Also unlucky about Poland losing earlier. In all fairness, Germany are a brilliant team and will most likely win the whole thing. It was a tough match for Poland. [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 22:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Hey Stud ==

where you been? Life going well?

I hope you like the new name.

[[User:Kosova2008|Ari d'Kosova]] ([[User talk:Kosova2008|talk]]) 07:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

== GA Thanks and [[WP:CHIFTD]] notice ==

Thanks for your past contributions you may want to come help the current [[WP:CHIFTD]] drive. {{User Good Article|Harris Theater (Chicago)}}--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:LOTM]]) </small> 03:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
{{clear}}

== tocino ==

I think its time we took the steps to just remove the pain from the kosovo articles. We have alot working for us if we do, considering almost all discussions on the archives and talk for the interactions IS debate on unrelated things. Agree it's time?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 12:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:What exactly do you propose we do? Admins obviously read the Kosovo-related talk pages (Husond surfaced recently in the Malta/Portugal thread), and not one has acted on this chronic problem issue of late. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 13:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::ya well, hes broken enough pov rules, hwe turns every discussion he gets to int oa long, drawn out and unnecesary argument, we have a majority saying the parties to be remopved but he wount listen, and he's just uncivil amongst other things, also, can you get onto runescape.com and see if you can? i can't.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 13:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Can't access it from Opera just now: ''You tried to access the address http://www.runescape.com/, which is currently unavailable. '' --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 13:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::::time to get ready ot see if we can get him banned from the kosovo articles, now hes even going against concensous--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 17:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::erm, there's no consensus by definition, if even one person is against. And you can't ever tell just from that, that they are in the wrong -- they may be in the right, and the rest, in the wrong. Having said that, if you were to remove his re-additiions, and he were to revert your edit, that would be edit warring, since he already did that. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 17:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:no, i remeoved first, he reverted and another reverted, and itsh ard to beleive that the person asking for em to be removed would even think tocino was right--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 17:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::I'm not saying Tocino is right; just arguing from general principles, you know, the general case. A lone dissenter ''may'' be in the right, on merits. I see Tocino morphed the political parties into something else and crammed that crap right back into the article, but in a different place, which he conveniently redefined for that. You should remove that. We'll see how he reacts. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 17:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, if i revert now, he can't possibly revert, since thatd be 4 reverts.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 17:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::::That would be the Wikipedia way: one editor cannot force his way against a concerted effort of others, because of the [[WP:3RR]] rule. Provided editors do act, not just talk about it. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 17:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::you gotta do the next 2, i can't.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 17:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::I publicly said I wouldn't edit-war about it, so I can't, either. I already did all the work of showing Tocino to be wrong on the talk page, examining his "evidence" and showing that it is no evidence. Surely other editors who agree with these findings can be counted on to do the physical reverts of Tocino?... --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 18:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:when can i revert again?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 18:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::Please read the 3RR policy I linked above. I wouldn't want to mislead you. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 18:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

== August 2008 ==

<nowiki>[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|do not attack]] other editors{{#if:|, which you did here: [[:{{{1}}}]]}}. If you continue, you '''will''' be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-npa3 -->--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 20:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)</nowiki>

:The above officious note, known on Wikipedia as ''templating'' or ''TP-ing someone'' (orignally from TP-ing, [[toilet-papering]], an Amercian college custom), was issued by the person whose edits (not person) I question extensively on [[talk:International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence]]. Not only is this editor acting out here, pretending to be a third person, or maybe even an administrator (he is not either), he ''is'' an administrator on the Serbian wikipedia and has over 10k edits on the English one to his name. One would think he would know better. But no, we are dealing here with laying down a smoke screen, a parliamentary subterfuge, appearances manipulation, and, of course, defacing my page -- all done in the interest of perception skewing, instead of calmly and substantively addressing the many points raised on the talk page linked above. Or better yet, actually correcting the harmful edits pointed out by me. Shame. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 21:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

:Ok, here's a neutral party doing it:

<nowiki>[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|do not attack]] other editors{{#if:|, which you did here: [[:{{{1}}}]]}}. If you continue, you '''will''' be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-npa3 -->----[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 21:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)</nowiki>

== Leave... ==

...the article and talk known as Talk:International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence, by staying you're not helping anything anymore; it's constant "Avala blah blah blah" now, so, just, leave. I already explained to Avala and a generalized on the talk page. Just leave, there's enough Kosovo supporters and NPOV people there already.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
:Just do it, ok, just do some cool down and avoid Kosovo articles and avoid Avala; there's no reason we should have a giant discussion on the talk page unrelated to improving the article.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 21:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
::See my answer on [[user talk:ChrisO]]. Just one note: a giant discussion entirely ''germane'' to improving the article, I'm afraid. But anyway, your wish is my command. :) --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 22:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

==Comment==
Dear Mareklug,
I received your E-mail message but I have other issues to deal with in my job. I edit mostly on Ancient Egypt nowadays and on other political or historical matters but almost nothing on present day Kosovo. I apologise for any inconvenience my message may cause you. Regards, [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] ([[User talk:Leoboudv|talk]]) 02:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you for taking the time to reply. We will of course miss your incisive edits and comments, as you were one of the early editors of substance, and the article needs this sort of attention badly. Good luck on the Ancient Egypt -- that's quite a row to hoe. Best wishes. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 04:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. As long as there is racism and bigotry in this world, there will always be ethnic conflicts. However, since the Serbians recently re-elected Boris Tadic, perhaps Serbia and Kosovo can move to eventually resolve their conflict...I don't know. By the Way, here is ''an actual copy'' of a letter by pharaoh [[Amenhotep II]] (c.1427-1401 BC) of Egypt in which he openly displays his shocking bigotry and hatred towards the Syrians and Nubians (the Sudanese). This was written 3400 years ago but his hatred of all non-Egyptian foreigners is clear: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amenhotep_II#Personality_and_later_life] One would call this king an 'Egyptian nationalist' today. The world has become more tolerant in some places in 2008 but racism and ethnic conflict is still alive sadly. Just look at the terrible situation in Darfur, Afghanistan and Pakistan today. I have to go now. Enjoy your life and freedom in Chicago. The USA is not perfect but its still far more welcoming towards all immigrants--Serbs, Croats, Albanians, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc--compared to most other countries. Regards, [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] ([[User talk:Leoboudv|talk]]) 22:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

==Lights and Timmins==
We don't do that kind of "purely tangential connections to other people" thing for any other musical artist on Wikipedia — if the only connection between two musicians is that they happen to come from the same city, or that one of them happens to be from a city that was named after an ancestor of another one, then the connection simply isn't meaningful or relevant to the articles on the artists. They should all be mentioned in the article on the ''city'', certainly, but they're not directly relevant to ''each other''. Just because the heading on the subsection wasn't "Trivia" doesn't mean it isn't trivia. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 13:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[Iran Aseman Airlines Flight 6895]] ==

Hi & sorry for the edit conflict there. Oops :D I'm done with the article at the moment. Cheers! [[User:E_dog95|<span style="font-variant: small-caps">''E_dog95'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:E_dog95|<span style="font-variant: small-caps">'' Hi '''</span>]]</sup> 06:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:No worries. Thanks fo rthe help! --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 06:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

== ITN ==

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==POV==

I fixed Slovakia. And i will stand by its current edit if you will help me keep it that way. How do you propose the Ukraine entry should be re-written. [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 16:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ive fixed Ukraine too after digging up your old draft, now what to fix? I created this to help us make the article more NPOV [[User:Ian-Marek/International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence]]. Please feel free to edit it [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 16:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
::However i havnt added anything to Ukraine which is post Georgia-Russia war yet [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 17:00, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Removed Uruguay too, due to media speculation. [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 17:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Your edits are good. What do you think is wrong/ POV with BiH's position on the article? [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 09:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::I pasted in UKR into the article, so we could put a {{tlx|done}} on it, but we haven't yet looked for newer material. Re: Bosnia's stance on Kosovo independence: Ian, read carefully what every Bosnian government official we quote has said on the subject (contrast it with what the Serb among them had said, and he spoke first, and not since then) -- and note the activity of the country's legislative body and its MFA, or rather, their complete radio silence on the subject of Kosovo. For us to represent BiH as having formally acted, one way or another, in this matter, let alone, that it '''rejected''', is so POV that I cannot remain unimpressed. :) Bosnia's condition of political deadlock (if it exists, and I have my doubts -- to me it is just Montenegro, slowed down) is not the same as the state having acted positively or negatively. Or acted at all. They want to be, in their own words, as low profile on this score as possible. Not exactly a steeming dish of rejection. :) The article at the very least needs a lead statement along the lines of UKR. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 09:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::I see what you are saying over BiH. We represent BiH as been anti-Kosovo, when it is actually Neutral on Kosovo. I have added it to the Ian-Marek sub page for now. We can removed parts and add new statements. [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 10:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ive added more to that Ian-Marek sub page. Regards [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 07:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== Macedonia on Kosovo ==

Hey. Please see [[user:BalkanFever/Boxhead]]. The MFA quote might be better than my summary, but apart from that I think it's neutrally worded. Basically, Macedonia ''may'' recognise Kosovo after demarcation, but that's DPA or DUI or Demarcation Commission speculation at best, while Gruevski, Crvenkovski and Milošoski are dodging the issue. '''[[User:BalkanFever|<font color="black">Balkan</font>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<font color="#008">Fever</font>]]'''<sup>[[User:BalkanFever/no|<font color="#F62817">not a fan? say so!</font>]]</sup> 04:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
:Glad I could be of help. :) '''[[User:BalkanFever|<font color="black">Balkan</font>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<font color="#008">Fever</font>]]'''<sup>[[User:BalkanFever/no|<font color="#F62817">not a fan? say so!</font>]]</sup> 06:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== Re. Just a head;s up - [[international reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo]] ==

Hello Mareklug. I have received reports on disruptive behavior by user Avala in the past, but the examples you brought to my attention I cannot immediately associate with disruption. Yes, Avala calls vandalism to something that is not vandalism in the first edit summary, and he could've assumed good faith in the second edit summary; but these minor misdemeanors do not warrant any particular administrative intervention in my opinion. If Avala is in fact editing against talk page consensus then you must provide proof for that. Otherwise I may only treat this situation as content dispute, and may not take sides. I can protect the article though if edit warring persists. Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 21:26, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

== September 2008 ==
For '''adding original research, including unpublished syntheses of sourced material''':

<nowiki>{{uw-nor2|International reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo}}--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 22:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)</nowiki>

:The above is a pathetic abuse of the Wikipedia process. The user, an admin on Serbian wikipedia and a maker of 11,000+ edits on this Wikipedia, is chronically engaged in making partisan edits, relfecting pro-Serbia biasing of the account of the international recognition of Kosovo by other states.

:I am one of the editors striving to make this article NPOV. This user, Avala, is templating me to death (see further up this page for an earlier instance), for standing up to his partisan edits, and questioning these edits of his, and for my own impartially as evidence by my edits. He calls my enyclopedic, impartial descriptions of reality, all sourced, of course, "OR". Furthermore, he pretends in his templating, that he is some independent user or admin, while being a party to the dispute. On [[User talk:Husond]], he reveals that he uses these templates to induce blocks/bans of users. I find the conduct of this user deeply disturbing, as unethical, distorting the process of Wikipedia, and ultimately harmful to the community and to the encyclopedia texts. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 23:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

*For removing my comments off the talk page:

[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please stop. If you continue to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Behavior that is unacceptable|delete or edit]] legitimate talk page comments{{#if:|, as you did at [[:{{{1}}}]]}}, you will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] for [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]]. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-tpv3 -->--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 13:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

*For calling me obtuse:

[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|do not attack]] other editors{{#if:|, which you did here: [[:{{{1}}}]]}}. If you continue, you '''will''' be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-npa3 -->--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 13:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Mareklug, Avala is right in his complaints here. Please do not remove his comments from the talk page, and always observe [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]]. Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 14:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

== Re. unprotection request int. recognition of Kosovo ==

Hello Mareklug. Okay, I will give it a try and unprotect the article as everybody seems to be discussing the disputed edits constructively on the talk page. Please do not start another war with Avala. News from Portugal? I wish. Kosovo is almost a taboo within the government. I know that the president is against recognition, but few care much about what he thinks anyway. My guess is that Portugal will eventually recognize Kosovo, but I really cannot estimate when. Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 01:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Greece and unprotected page ==

Thank you for your comment on my talk page. I did do some clean-up to it where you recommended me but I'd need more help regarding that last quote that "Greece did not recognize Kosovo" Avala has provided and how the MFA information you provided here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008_declaration_of_independence_by_Kosovo#What_the_Greek_MFA_.2Areally.2A_has_said supersedes that. Maybe you can re-arrange some things in that Ian page you gave me and experiment with it a bit. I'll check on it too... [[User:Exo|Exo]] ([[User talk:Exo|talk]]) 10:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== 3RR warning [[international reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo]] ==

[[Image:Stop hand.svg|30px|left|Warning]]
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly{{#if:|, as you are doing at [[:{{{1}}}]]}}. If you continue, you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for [[Wikipedia:Edit war|edit warring]], even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. --[[User:Tocino|Tocino]] 22:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:Listen, Tocino. Just because I put the warning template in good faith on your page, so you don't get banned again for 3RR, is no reason to template me tit-for-tat. Calling on me with a template to discuss it is misleading, as I am discussing it on the talk page.

:Your concealed reverts are not only reintroducing bogus content, which the newly available English version of Castro's words bear out, but you are reintroducing by doing so false sourcing, which I fixed. And plesae don't conceal your reverts with innocuous sounding comments such as "re-added more concise wording", when you are in fact doing a revert.

Unlike you, I even installed the new content on the talk page as a verbatim table, which so far caused Avala to propose a slight variation of ''what I put in the article'', omitting some description (which accurately describes what Castro did and didn't say in the subject of Kosovo recognition, unlike the old content you are returning with its bogus attribution) --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 22:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
== My contribution to [[international reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo|Kosovo recognition article]] ==

I don't see why I cant contribute to the article. Furthermore, your comment was disappointing. have you seen that all my information is cited? how dare you forbid me![[User:Mike Babic|Mike Babic]] ([[User talk:Mike Babic|talk]]) 02:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

:Dear Mike. Just because something is cited, does not make it good for the article, or accurate information, or neutral information, as the case may be. User [[WP:Common sense]], as I advised you. That is the most useful thing I can advise you to do. And please read [[WP:VER]] and [[WP:NPOV]].

:Please, please, please read the new section on Poland that I just wrote. It happens to document lucidly the latest case of "cited"-but-false.

:You may of course contribute to the article usefully. But if you continue to lack the ability to determine, what is useful, and through your edits continue to distort reality while [[edit war]]ring, what I wrote on your talk page will surely come to pass. I urge you to find something else to edit, if editing Kosovo matter is going ot pu tyou in trouble, or edit it wisely, which has proved problematic for you. This is a [[minefield]]. Caution is needed, extreme caution. Cordially, --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 03:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== October 2008 ==

[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia{{#if:|, as you did to [[:{{{1}}}]]}}, you will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-delete3 -->--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 09:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Translation ==

Cześć Marek. Could you translate [[Stefan Knapik]] into English, or at least tell the guys at [[WP:PNT|pages needing translation]] if he is notable enough to translate? Thanks, '''[[User:BalkanFever|<font color="black">Balkan</font>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<font color="#008">Fever</font>]]''' 08:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:BalkanFever, I asked on #wikipedia-pl on FreeNode IRC if it was worth doing, and a Silesian admin discouraged me (Knapik is Silesian). So I punted it over to the Poland-related Noticeboard: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_talk:Poland/Poland-related_Wikipedia_notice_board#Stefan_Knapik]. Let's see what they say. Best, --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 14:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[international reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo]] ==
Do you think I'm irrelevant?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux|talk]]) 19:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:No, but certain of your talk page sections have been. Those need to be removed, in accordance with the policy notice placed at the top of the article talk page. As for your relevant discussions and links, I did give you credit for Armenia and Bosnia or something along those lines, and defended your contributions. However, you have added a fair amount of no information to that page... --23:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

::Honestly speaking, do you still stand by your words that Vuk Jeremic should return his diploma to Harvard Univ?--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 18:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It's instructive that you twist my words even when making an attempted superior remark. I recommended that he return to Harvard to take a remedial course in human rights and international law. His absolute remark as quoted by the Times of India (and by me on the talk page), that no one has the right to declare unilaterally independence belies international law and the basic human rights enshrined in the UN Charter and elsewhere. And why are you so happy that Serbia managed to retard its own admission to the UE? Instead of constructively letting go of Kosovo? It's not like the 2.1 million Kosovans are going to be repatriated to Albania, to make room for Serbs from elsewhere. For one thing, no one wants to move there. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 19:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I asked you a benign question and you respond so angrily. It was not my intention to upset you.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 19:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Very well, I accept that in good faith. To answer your question, I don't think Vuk Jeremic does credit Harvard or himself, when he says things not in keeping with international law. Work on behalf of Serbia need not entail making inaccurate statements, I think you and I will agree on that. Serbia in my opinion, longterm, did not gain on this vote. It only adds to FUD on the subject of Kosovo. Unfortunately. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 19:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

How does the "return article to last known correct state from b4 injecting un vote weirdness" correspond to removing information on who voted for and returning who voted against? You OBVIOUSLY have a problem with Serbia, a very strong one. I don't know why, nor do I care but what do I know is that you are not capable to edit any articles regarding Serbia in a productive manner. No one is denying you the right to add information which might be considered "anti Serbia" but shooting out "propaganda accusations" proves that you have a strong, very strong, issue with Serbia or Serbs and therefore it is affecting your edits which is what we care about.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 10:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

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Highbridge is a residential neighborhood geographically located in the southwest Bronx, New York City. The neighborhood is part of Bronx Community Board 4. Its boundaries, starting from the north and moving clockwise are: the Cross-Bronx Expressway to the north, Jerome Avenue to the east, East 161st Street to the south, and the Harlem River to the west. Ogden Avenue is the primary thoroughfare through Highbridge. The local subway is the 4 line; operating along Jerome Avenue. Zip codes include 10452. The area is patrolled by the 44th Precinct located at 2 E 169th Street in Concourse. NYCHA property in the area is patrolled by P.S.A. 7 at 737 Melrose Avenue in the Melrose section of the Bronx.

Demographics

Highbridge has a population under 35,000. For decades Highbridge has been one of the poorest communities in America. Over half the population lives below the poverty line and receives public assistance (AFDC, Home Relief, Supplemental Security Income, and Medicaid). The majority of residents in the area are of Puerto Rican, Dominican, or African American descent. The vast majority of households are renter occupied.[1]

Land use and terrain

Highbridge is dominated by 5 and 6-story tenement buildings, older multi-unit homes, vacant lots, and newly constructed subsidized attached multi-unit townhouses and apartment buildings. A significant percentage of the original housing stock was structurally damaged by arson and eventually razed by the city. The total land area is roughly one square mile. The terrain is elevated and very hilly. Stair streets connect areas located at different elevations.

Low income public housing projects

  • There are three NYCHA developments located in Highbridge.[2]
  1. Highbridge Gardens; six, 13-story buildings.
  2. Highbridge Rehabs (Nelson Avenue); three, 5 and 6-story rehabilitated tenement buildings.

History

The neighborhood takes its name from the High Bridge built in 1848 to carry Croton Aqueduct water across the Harlem River. It was once a predominately Irish neighborhood.

Social problems

Many social problems associated with poverty from crime to drug addiction have plagued the area for some time. Despite crime declines versus their peaks during the crack and heroin epidemics violent crime continues to be a serious problem in the community. [3] Highbridge has significantly higher drop out rates and incidents of violence in its schools.[4] Students must pass through metal detectors and swipe ID cards to enter the buildings. Reminiscent a prison environment which many feel encourages bad behavior. Other problems in local schools include low test scores and high truancy rates. Drug addiction is also a serious problem in the community. Due to the lucrative drug trade in the area many addicted reside in the community. Peer pressure among children who come from broken homes contributes to the high rate of usage. Many households in the area are headed by a single mother which contributes to the high poverty rate.[5] Many of whom had their children at a very young age and unfortunately could not provide for their children. Many of the families living in Highbridge have been in poverty for generations. The incarceration rate in the area is also very high.[6] Many if not most males in the community have been arrested at some point in their lives. This has a direct correlation to aggressive policing tactics including "sweeps" due to the area's high crime rate. Highbridge is home to a significant number of inmates currently held in New York state prison and jail facilities.

Urban renewal

After a wave of arson ravaged the low income communities of New York City throughout the 1970s, many if not most residential structures in Highbridge were left seriously damaged or destroyed. The city began to rehabilitate many formally abandoned tenement style apartment buildings and designate them low income housing beginning in the late 1970s. Also many subsidized attached multi-unit townhouses and newly constructed apartment buildings have been or are being built on vacant lots across across the neighborhood.

Schools

Public

  • PS 11: High Bridge (Merriam and Ogden Avs)
  • PS 73: Joseph Dellacava (West 165th St and Anderson Av)
  • PS 126: Dr. Marjorie Dunbar (West 166th St and University Av)
  • PS 199: William Shakespeare (West 172nd St and Shakespeare Av)

Transportation

Facts

  • The BXTF (Bronx Task Force) division of the NYPD is housed at the old 44th Precinct house at 1278 Sedgwick Avenue.
  • The opening scene to New Jack City was filmed in Highbridge.
  • In March 2007, a fire broke out at 1022 Woodycrest Avenue, killing several people. It was one of the worst fires in the Bronx since 1990.

References

  1. ^ Bronx Community District 4
  2. ^ NYCHA
  3. ^ 44th Precinct CompStat Report
  4. ^ NYC Dropout Rates
  5. ^ Bronx Census Data Analysis
  6. ^ NYC Prison Expenditure
  • Tenement building in Highbrige.
    Tenement building in Highbrige.
  • Stair street in Highbridge.
    Stair street in Highbridge.
  • Multi-unit home in Highbrige.
    Multi-unit home in Highbrige.
  • Memorial left in remembrance of 1022 Woodycrest Avenue fire victims.
    Memorial left in remembrance of 1022 Woodycrest Avenue fire victims.

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