Lewis Charlton

Brisbane Broncos

Just to let you know - Brisbane Broncos is a current feature article candidate. To see suggestions other editors are making go to Talk:Brisbane Broncos and press 'leave comments' in the first box. SpecialWindler 03:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Very amusing. Go to the Broncos talk page and have a read. But thanks anyway.--Jeff79 03:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean (i obviously miss the sarcasm). SpecialWindler 03:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I mean the Broncos talk page already has several paragraphs of discussion from me.--Jeff79 03:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No thats not what I mean, go to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Brisbane Broncos and see comments on the Broncos page, you recently reverted some of my changes that other wikipedians suggested. SpecialWindler 03:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

team song

Sorry, but even if you did find it you'd have to put it onto a new article connected to the Brisbane Broncos template because the team song on the page would make it look very informal.. (i dont know why) SpecialWindler 03:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Brisbane Broncos

Sure, the table is a good summary of the club's performance but ironically I believe a bit too detailed to be left on the main page of an article. All of the important points of the club's history are already summarised in the main history section of Brisbane Broncos. I don't think having games won, games lost and ladder position are a major priority for readers, and from my experience with other editors tables are not encouraged unless they significantly improve the article or are absolutely essential. I'm happy to discuss this with other editors and change my mind if there is a general consensus to leave it where it is. But what I'm doing to the article at the moment will, in my opinion, make the article look and read better. Cheers, mdmanser 05:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I started up a WP:RL article improvement drive (AID) a month or two ago, and we've been gradually working on helping each NRL club article get closer towards FA status. At the moment we're at work on the Brisbane Broncos one. Put your name down and keep an eye out on the talk page for further updates on what the Project is doing, and hopefully you might consider joining to generally improve articles on rugby league! Thanks. mdmanser 13:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

In a word, no. The original copyright on the photo remains present in all derivative works, no matter what you or I does to it. Andrew Levine 04:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

re:Rugby League season infoboxes

In each NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL season's infobox (which you have so helpfully added) there is a field for top point-scorer but not one for top try-scorer. I don't know how to edit those infoboxes to put in additional fields but thought maybe you did. In rugby league I think seasons' top try-scorers are of equal (if not greater) interest/importance/relevance as the top point-scorers (who are invariably clubs' goal-kickers).--Jeff79 19:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure how to do it yet, but if i work it out i'l leave a message on your talk page. CEP78 00:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Rugby league player articles

I see you create alot of new rugby league player articles (eg. Billy Moore). When you do so can you include the following template:

{{Infobox_rugby_league_biography}}

The usage is simple to understand for example.

Just a suggestion to improve rugby league player articles, you may also want to join WikiProject Rugby League

SpecialWindler 06:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Player Articles

Although you are making positive contributions to Brisbane Broncos related articles please do not:

• • Put Brisbane Broncos Players into the Category:Brisbane Broncos, they are already in the Category:Brisbane Broncos rugby league players page and as a subcategory of Brisbane Broncos already applies.
  • On discussion of Talk:Rugby league you have mentioned changes such as Wayne Bennett (rugby league footballer) to Wayne Bennett (rugby league), this is fine but. Please do not change pages that are not both footballers (eg. Corey Parker).

Thanks, I'm not trying to discredit what you do, you do a great job editing Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SpecialWindler (talk • contribs) 07:07, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

• • • • Sorry for not signing, in response to your question, see my note above. SpecialWindler 07:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• The thingo on Brisbane Broncos is not needed at all (for future reference the template is {{dablink}}. SpecialWindler 07:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• For the category, currently the three non-broncos related people there are Wayne Bennett, Paul Morgan and Barry Maranta, simply because they don't fit into a Category:Brisbane Broncos rugby league coaches or something else. Think about it, in 100 years time, if wikipedia is still going (the internet for that matter), the Brisbane Broncos would have had at least 20 (presuming most wont go for as long as Wayne Bennett has) or so coaches, a category would be made for these coaches. If you seriously still want to go with it, players like Brad Thorn don't need to be there. If you think about something else, if you put one player there, someone will think, ahhh lets put this player here. That the purpose of the Category:Brisbane Broncos rugby league players. SpecialWindler 07:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• • I having nothing wrong with the captains, but the players must be notable enough to be in that, have they changed the club (eg, the captains have but has anybody else done that). (PS Brad Thorn has played rugby union 2000-2004). SpecialWindler 07:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

p.s. Regarding Brad Thorn I said NRL career, not football career--Jeff79 07:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• • Fine, but plus the captains, you might make it 250+ games, (I dont think Petero Civoniceva has done enough to be notable enough and players such as Tonie Carroll (172), Brad Thorn (184), Dane Carlaw (165) and Shaun Berrigan (159) will be making there way up there in the next few years, but very few make it to 250 compared to 200. But if I see Petero there I wont remove it. It takes a very exceptional player to get to 250 games (like your Lockyers, Webckess, Gees, Hancocks) It shows there devotion to the club (i sposse renouf does, but was plagued by injury) SpecialWindler 08:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

People not stupid

Jeff Saw your comment of the other week re Thurston & the JT nickname. "People aren't stupid' you said. Sometimes when reading discussion pages on Wiki RL articles I seriously doubt this. BestSticks66 12:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Right you are. What I meant to say was 'readers'. Should have made that clearer.--Jeff79 18:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

NSWRL Season Articles

Jeff, as I commented tonight in that Broncos Discussion page I've only just seen your NSWRL season articles series. It reminds me that there were some rather lame articles on earlier Grand Finals that seemed to be out on there own. There was one on Roosters v Manly 1972 that I recall copy-editing. Do you know where these are, are there more and would you be intending pulling them into your season articles ? Sticks66 13:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

They're not really my articles. Someone called CEP78 and I have been working on them. The same situation exists for the 1911 grand final. When I came across it I just put merger requests on both articles. If no one else does it I'll do it myself one of these days I guess. Might be an idea to just request mergers anytime you find the grand final on a separate page, so when poeple come across them they can look at merging the two. Or you could be bold and do it yourself. I really think they belong in the season pages. I'd like to see every season page include grand final details eventually.--Jeff79 17:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Before doing it I thought I'd check with you first, but I reckon the advertising section could be a sub-heading under "Pre-season" or "Season Summary" or something. Seems a little out of place as a main section coming after the Grand Final section in my opinion.--Jeff79 19:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I was thinking abut that. In the lean years when they had no budget the NRL would make an ad & only show it at launch. Then it would be appropriate for it to be under "Pre-season" and be early in the article. But in the Tina Turner years as for now with That's My Team the ads run all year. Maybe this isn't a problem, "Season launch" could be perfect where there would also be the details of any new teams added or removed. But I was also thinking that no-one wants to read about the "Season advertising " ahead of the Results/Stats and Grand Final memories. It's a bit of a dilemna. Should I ask other RL contributors their opinion ? Perhaps I should first complete a couple more in the STB years so editors can see where I'm heading with these sub sections. --Sticks66 22:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

RL "Ashes" v SOO

Fair enough, although I note that whitewashes are extremely rare in the test series, and GB reps are as capable of lifting and playing "above themselves" as SOO players. Grant | Talk 04:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Player line ups

Jeff I've noticed that in the old season articles the player line ups look like New South Wales Rugby League season 1911; in the more recent season articles they look like National Rugby League season 2000; now in the SoO 1980 article we have a new one. Not sure which of the former two I prefer, but I must admit I think both are preferable to the SoO one where there are two vertical lists required. What do you reckon ? I've also noticed others where the player positions are maked by initials FB for fullback; HK for Hooker etc; I thought that was efficient.Sticks66 15:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Recategorisation of F1 Grand Prix reports

Hi Jeff79. I've noticed you're recategorising lots of Formula One Grand Prix reports from [Category:19xx in sports] to [Category:19xx in motor racing]. Just to let you know, I'm currently in the process of reclassifying all the F1 reports into [Category:19xx Formula One race reports], in line with a discussion at WP:F1. So, if you like, you don't need to bother reclassifying the remaining F1 reports in [Category:19xx in sports] - I should have removed them all from those categories within the next couple of days. -- DH85868993 05:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

NRL

I don't think that the move and edits were properly discussed. The comments at Talk:NRL (disambiguation) were by the banned User:Rugby 666 (a sockpuppet of User:Licinius) and his IP. I think you should move it back and generate more discussion. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

A concensus of one person. He was the person that kept doing this and the ongoing saga at Talk:Football/Archive 7 (Australian rules debates) with his sockpuppets. You must forgive me if I don't see how anything from that user can be in the least bit useful or contribute to consensus. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

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SpecialWindler 06:29, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Date formatting

G'day Jeff, please continue with your great work on rugby league related articles. However, your recent edits this morning are not in line with our Manual of Style on the format of dates. Please take the time to read this guideline. Regards -- Ianblair23 (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Jeff, please see Help:Date formatting and linking. We link dates in a certain way so that each user, in his preferences, can set how they would like to view dates. Regards -- Ianblair23 (talk) 23:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Bronco supporter

• Hi Jeff, just wanted to say thanks for your great contributions to RL articles which are always very informative. (RL is the greatest game of all as George Lovejoy used to say over the PA at Lang Park all those years ago, (circa 1967, I was thirteen, and playing for West-Mitchelton).
• I am doing minor work on articles that come under WPProject Brisbane; hope you dont mind me suggesting that you please consider putting edit summaries on your edits? (always) This is in line with WP process guidelines, what it means is that other editors (like me) can see what work you have done at a glance on the Watchlist. I am quite new to WP myself, and with a reel slow connection to the web, I hate wasting time on editsumms (try this link), but I do them anyway, cz it does end up being helpful. Anyway, keep up the great work, and any little thing, just message to Talk:Newbyguesses.Things are great in the Sunshine State!Regards —Newbyguesses 00:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Karmichael Hunt

Do you have a free image of Karmichael Hunt or can you get one.

I am trying to get Karmichael Hunt to Featured Article status and need a free image of him.

Thanks

SpecialWindler 05:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Your recently did some proof-reading to Karmichael Hunt, including changing some of the "Hunt" to "he". I am sorry to say that there was a edit conflict and I thought that seeing I was adding substantial information, that I over-rideded all your information. very Sorry. You may have noticed, I am trying to get Karmichael Hunt to FA status. There is a to do list on the talk page, and thanks for your proof reading, I am trying now to some of the proof reading you just did. SpecialWindler 07:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I wrote the above before I got your message on my talk page. It is nothing against you, I appreciate your help, I am going to go through and rectify some of your edits, I know Karmichale Hunt need's a good copy edit. SpecialWindler 07:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Season Advertising 03 & 04

Jeff, in the 04 Season Summary there was a comment you wrote that the "original" That's My Team ad featured the Hoodoos in Wests and Cronulla jumpers. I assumed you meant the 1st year ad being 2003. But I've just added a link to that ad in the 03 article, and I can't see any shot of the band in the finished 03 ad. Maybe you meant that in the 04 version they wear the jumpers ? Apologies if I've deleted the assertion in error. Did you mean 04 ? -Sticks66 14:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Rugby League Positions - terminology

I agree with you that it's an awful title. How about just calling it "Differences in terminology" (or nomenclature or whatever). The text within the section explains whereabouts the various terms are used, and a simpler title wouldn't exclude the possibility of naming differences which are NOT based on a NH/SH divide coming to light from future editors. (I don't know of any, but it's possible there's a team somewhere who plays a man at 9/16!) Paul Tracy_|\talk 20:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I've done it anyway. Paul Tracy_|\talk

Miscategorization

Please do not add pool articles to snooker categories, as you did at 2006 Mosconi Cup. Nine-ball is not a form of snooker. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 00:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

vandalism on some league pages

Jeff, I appreciate the good work you've been doing on a number of pages. I suggest you give a warning template to any persistent vandals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace Michellecrisp 00:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Super League Tri-Series

I don't know if you are, but you may be intereseted in that article.

It is being suggested to be merged. The following link, masses on stats for the tri-series and with information from it, should make it into a worthwhile article.

[1]

SpecialWindler 12:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

After reading your comments on that talk page, it seems you want it to be merged, sorry for your time.

SpecialWindler 12:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

template:brisbane sports team

Sorry, didn't read the talk page.

Im fine with it but, I'd think that a premier comp wouldn't hurt the template. Because the template really lacks depth (in my opinion), but you made it so. SpecialWindler 00:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

whatever SpecialWindler 01:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use image 1992 Season

Jeff there's a Fair Use image hunter who wants to delete the NSWRL logo from the 1992 season article. Do you know how to respond to avoid the deletion ? I don't sorry. -Sticks66

RE:Grand Final summaries

Yeah as you said the season infobox really kills any hope of keeping the suspense up until the Grand Final section. And for that reason I don't think anybody is going to mind if they find out Grand Final information in the table. But as you said, that report format should be the standard (although hopefully the grammatical quality could be better) across all articles. I'll look into making sure that editors keep it that way. One thing we do need to figure out though are the team lineups format. Hopefully we can all come up with a solution soon. mdmanser 06:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

karmichael hunt incident

In the Karmichael Hunt article, a few days ago a bit of information was added about Hunt and a night club fight. Well just three days ago this article was written.

http://www.nrlnews.com/2007/06/karmichael-hunt-cover-up.html

I thought it was interesting, and I don't know whether to add some to the article, you know the Broncos pretty well, so...

SpecialWindler ^talk 03:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

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GF detail in the Finals table in the Season Articles

Jeff I saw a few weeks back that you and mdmanser agreed to disagree on the question of spoiler detail on the GF result before the GF report. What consensus did you get to ? I ask because I'm reformatting NSWRL season 1972 and i notice that the finals table there currently doesn't have the GF result. What's the agreed approach ? -Sticks66 12:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Anon vandal warnings

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Hey

Hey Jeff, hope things are well. Everyone at the project is missing your work these days - hopefully you can find the time to help out soon. We've almost completed all of the season articles now and there is great progress being made in the push to get more good and featured articles. Hope to see you soon. Cheers, mdmanser 05:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes Jeff, we miss you. There has been much progress on the Season Articles while you've been away. Hope you're alright. -Sticks66 13:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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Cowboys

Knock off the smart ass attitude, I DON'T follow the football and I thought that the cowboys was the nickname, but I now see that I was incorrect and that it is the "short name" ....so sorry.... but you don't need to be such a smart ass about it, I made a small and simple mistake and that is all you needed to point out, the same goes for your comments to the other editor that first added cowboys to the nickname spot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thuringowacityrep (talk • contribs) 12:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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Short name

Back to this again. Whatever your personal opinion may be, Jeff, the 'short name' field is there to be used if an editor requires and I'll certainly use it for Wests Tigers. You are reverting valid content and I'm struggling to see the good faith. diff 1, diff 2 •Florrie•leave a note• 13:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

63 Ashes

Hey Jeff , I think that anonymous useer who changed the 1963 result to 2Aust v 1 GB was right. I think the series went: Australia 1st Test London 28-2; Australia 2nd TestSwinton (the "massacre") 50-12; Great Britain 3rd Test Leeds 16-5. - Sticks66 12:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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Townsville City, Queensland

Hi Jeff, couple of queries about your edit; why is a construction company relevant to the article? and what redevelopment of the mall are you referring too? A reference would be great to clear up my confusion. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 15:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Terminology

Hi Jeff, regarding this edit, the standard across Wikipedia is to use "Association football" or "football (soccer)". "Association football (soccer)" doesn't make sense, it is like saying "Australian rules football (Aussie rules)" or "Field hockey (field)". -- Chuq (talk) 07:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

So why not "Football (soccer)" then?

By that logic, we should write "Australian rules (AFL)" because people refer to the sport itself as "AFL" more often than they call it "Australian rules football"? -- Chuq (talk) 11:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Wrong again, I'm afraid. 'AFL' is not actually an alternative name for 'Australian Rules Football', and should not be represented as such in Wikipedia, as all would agree. 'Soccer' on the other hand, most definitely is an alternative name for 'Association football', particularly in Australia, and accordingly, should be represented as such.--Jeff79 (talk) 11:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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Nice work with tidying up the season pages over the past few weeks. But I must ask, why the need to reduce the image logo and remove the caption? I thought it looked fine as it was, but I won't revert it back for the time being. MDM (talk) 07:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess it sometimes takes me a bit of time to accept change. As for the work you've done here, I think I definitely agree with you now in terms of logo size. As for the captions I'm still neutral, but I don't particularly mind if they're not there. MDM (talk) 08:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that would have been me, simply because it is proper Commonwealth English to not use hyphens (I remember looking this up at the time) and for plural/non plural to be used for "points scorer" and "try scorer". But in regards to your comment about it the "(s)" being forced onto its own line, I'm not really sure what you mean. Is there a line break occurring on your browser at that point with the phrase being shown on two lines instead? Let me know, cheers. MDM (talk) 08:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hall of Fame

Jeff, may I propose merging each of the Hall of Fame navboxes into one? I think it'll be beneficial for readers all round and it doesn't take up that much more space. If you agree, just copy and paste the template I've made at User:MDM/Sandbox4 into Template:Australian Rugby League Hall of Fame and then redirect the others. Cheers. MDM (talk) 03:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I just think a complete template like that would render the article rather useless. Although it would be a mangeable size now, supposedly it will grow by six players every year. I dunno. I was faced with the decision before I started and I thought I made the right one. If you go ahead and make the changes, I won't jump up and down too much.--Jeff79 (talk) 07:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

brisbane broncos history

Please stop, just temporarily.  The Windler talk  03:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

(to be continued)

I have proposed this on the WP:RL talk page, to see what other members think. If I am completly outvoted, then I won't object. But I just think, you shouldn't do this because you find it absurd ... not yet. Thanks  The Windler talk  03:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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May I ask what is wrong, in your mind, with Hunter Mariners.  The Windler talk  09:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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Hardman Herb Narvo

I think we should high-five ourselves for a good team effort effort on Herb Narvo. A half-decent short article on an obscure player generated in quick time. Do you want to do any others together Kel O'Shea ? Eric Weissel ? Dan Dempsey ? I must say I like the assertion He is considered one of the nation's finest footballers of the 20th century in the leading paragraph and subject to us attaching a citation to a Top 100 list at its end, I think it would be appropriate to inlcude in the lead-in for all Top 100 players - see Brian Hambly . What do you reckon ? -Sticks66 23:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The Duncan Thompson story is a good one in that vein, but I know you're already contributing to that. Thanks for the tip on the Museum Photos , I din't know about them and they are excellent. The usage of pre-1955 shots is an interesting issue. On my talk page is some dialogue with Boylo who alerted us to this opportunity a few weeks back. Florrie as you can see has helped me post many shots. But we've found that shots sourced from the State Library of NSW say Not a free image - This image is provided for research purposes only and must not be reproduced without the prior permission of the State Library of NSW. This is similar problem that I glean from reading the Nat Museum copyright restrictions. But I wonder about this; I would have thought the pre-1955 exemption applies to all pre-1955 shots regardless if the site tries to assert otherwise. Perhaps I'll ask Boylo and you may want to monitor his response.-Sticks66 11:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Billy Smith move

I understand why you moved Billy Smith to Billy Smith (ice hockey), and agree with the move. However, you might have considered that there are several dozen other ice-hockey related articles that contain links to Billy Smith and now take readers to a disambiguation page instead of an article about the ice hockey player. Indeed, until I fixed it this morning, the disambiguation page did not even contain a link to the player's biography, which made it nearly impossible for readers to find. In short, when you move a page and then remove the redirect from the old title, it would be appreciated if you take responsibility for fixing the incoming links that are broken by the move. --Russ (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Namila Davui

Hey Jeff - FYI, I had a go at putting a speedy delete tag on Namila Davui (one of the 'articles' I mentioned on WP:RL) only to have it rejected because the article says he plays for the Bulldogs. That's all that's needed apparently. No references, no links, no truth - just an assertion of notability. I might go and start an article on Florrie Smith, the well-known Antarctic explorer and see how long that lasts. Cheers. •Florrie•leave a note• 02:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Navbox rugby league squad

I'm afraid I don't know for the league standard navbox, I tried myself but no joy. They are fairly standard throughout the union templates such as shown with Template:Saracens F.C. squad. I believe the borders are actually discouraged, though I couldn't quote you a specific page. What I do remember reading is alot of stuff about them fowling up in different browsers, resolutions, etc. The simple two colours with no borders seems to be the standard throughout wikipedia though. Guess if you did want to do it, it would be a major overhaul of the coding.Londo06 08:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Freddy Fittler

Sorry I was under the impression that it would be the same as the UK, Canada and New Zealand.Londo06 08:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I thought that it would be the same as an OBE, CBE, MBE, etc that would be added to the end of the name as a standard for the full name.Londo06 09:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Jonny Wilkinson was due to the coding saying birth name and the output saying full name. The AB one could well be Australia opting out of the norm, just an idea, I honestly couldn't say why there would be a reason for it not being there as I wouldn't presume to talk for Australian issues.Londo06 09:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Looking through it may well be Australia opting out, how bizarre.Londo06 09:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixed the oversight on Becks, the others are playing names, birth names and Charles has so many to list it would just be plain silly on an infobox. Probably find a backlog if I really wanted to go for it though.Londo06 09:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Footy

It was a disambiguation page before the IP editor got hold of it, so I returned it that. Footy is also the name for a class of model yacht which has its own article. Since that sense is totally unrelated to football, I figured making footy a redirect page was superior to putting a redirect notice on the football article. Caerwine Caer’s whines 04:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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jerseys

OK - I'm making a to do list below, add anything there on my talk page , and I will strike it out when I've finished.

It depends, if you look at Queensland state rugby league team there is a dodgy version of a jersey and I think my versions are better.

I don't think I could create such images for our clubs, and I wouldn't bother. But I ask, do you want to put all the jerseys in the history of that club in the infobox, or just the current one.

Also, the heritage jersey, I made just so users could see the differing jerseys. I don't think that should happen for every round, they take up too much space.  The Windler talk  11:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps like here.  The Windler talk  11:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean byyour comment in the away jersey for the Broncos. It is white and maroon.  The Windler talk  07:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it seems more navy blue than maroon, my mistake. I assumed it was maroon without much thought... But I think the 2006 grand final jersey was maroon? Do you agree.  The Windler talk  08:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

RFL / SL seasons

I understand what you're saying and did consider these points before I made the changes. My thinking was, Super League is still being described as e.g. the "110th season of top-level professional rugby league" in articles and that RFL and Super League seasons are not entirely disconnected - they still decide the Championship. There is also the 'precedent' of Template:National Rugby League which combines NSWRL, ARL and NRL seasons. Regarding the division of pre-Super League seasons (into NRFU, RFL, etc.), they give the reader a bit more detail and disabuse them of the notion that all of those seasons were known as Rugby Football League seasons. It also was in line with the names of the links locations in the table. On this last point about the labelling perhaps it could be changed to just dividing between RFL and SL seasons (if it's thought best to retain the SL seasons in the table). JoelUK (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey Jeff, I notice that you'd reverted to the previous version. Here's why I think we should return it to include Super League seasons: (1) Ease of use. Users of Wikipedia are going to find it a lot easier to navigate between seasons of all the British rugby league Championships are in one template. (2) As with the NRL, the statistics on appearances, tries etc. for players and clubs who played both before and in Super League were continued. As an example, when Leeds won Super League the other year it was repeatedly said by media and supporters how Leeds hadn't won the league in 30 odd years. (3) I think looking at the NRL vs Super League that it wasn't Britain that had the largest shake-up. The NRL unified an ARL and a rebel competition. The NRL is currently half controlled by News Corp and half by the ARL. Whereas Super League was in danger of becoming completely separated from the RFL from its inception until 2002, it is now unified again with the RFL (see: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20020126/ai_n9672037) and also Rugby Football League Limited and Super League (Europe) Limited are both under one roof at Red Hall in Leeds. (4) Super League isn't distinctly separate from the lower leagues. There are differences but they are all part of the same structure/pyramid - there was relegation and promotion after all. Before Super League the leagues had many formats; it started as a single league, then split into Yorkshire and Lancashire, then re-organised into first and second divisions, and then a mixture, then two, then one, etc... there have always been changes and re-vamps. Whether there should be a Super League template and a RFL one is another question. I'm happy to keep both. The SL template doesn't just contain the seasons, it also has the current participant clubs. Perhaps further distinctions could be added? For an example, have a quick look at what Template:NHL topics includes. JoelUK (talk) 02:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Peter Gallagher

Hey Jeff, I recall that disambig-ing and redirecting is something you're into. Can you suggest what we do with Peter Gallagher (rugby league footballer) and Peter Gallagher (rugby league) who are two different players of the same era.-Sticks66 12:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

1976 World Club Challenge

Hi. I read your comment about why you took the 'Rugby League' part out of the article name - just remember though that not all of us are rugby fans (yes, there are some !) and therefore may have no idea whatsoever what the 'World Club Challenge' refers to without reading the article :-) One thing I noticed though is that the World Club Challenge articles for different years have a variety of styles (though the one's you've developed seem to follow the same layout). Is there any chance of reformatting them to look (roughly) the same ? CultureDrone (talk) 07:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't expect a response THAT fast - I keep forgetting about world timezones with this thing ! :-) I'd noticed you'd been editing several of the articles - were you responsible for the snazzy coloured tables in the 1997 article ? CultureDrone (talk) 07:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Papillon (film) Location

Was this filmed in Australia? I heard it was.--Jeff79 (talk) 05:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

According to the IMDb website, filming locations were: Jamaica, Spain, and St. Laurent du Maroni, Guyane, Départements d'Outre-Mer, France (Camp de la Transportation, closing sequence). (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC))

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Other Nationalities

Hey Jeff, notice you've made to a few edits to Other Nationalites. I'm looking for the Int'l RL debut date of dual int'l Ray Cale who played for Wales against O.N. in either 1951 or 1952. Don't suppose you have any access to team line-ups such as would reveal the answer ? -Sticks66 04:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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• See User talk:Anthony Appleyard#Rugby players. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• See User talk:Anthony Appleyard#Rugby players. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

NB, I see that in the past two days Keith Jarrett (rugby footballer) and John Bentley (rugby footballer) have been moved without discussion to Keith Jarrett (rugby dual code) and John Bentley (rugby dual code). Xn4 (talk) 01:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the same goes for John Devereux (rugby), but it was stated that that was done as a test edit, which I thought was fair enough. Then the two guys pushing for the change claimed a ficticious consensus at this and this discussion and went about moving the others.--Jeff79 (talk) 03:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• This discussion is happening in several places. I am trying to round it all up in Talk:Paul_Moriarty_(rugby)#Requested_move. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Premiership squad templates in season pages

I think that's one we should definitely leave out. The squad listings are already in the Grand Final section. MDM (talk) 11:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Club football guidelines

Hi Jeff - I've been following your user page as you add to your reasoning for including/excluding clubs from the infobox. I pretty much agree with all you have listed so far, particularly the suggestion for players such as Josh Hannay. To me, if a footballer plays for a Super League club which is then demoted or a Division One club which is promoted to SL, then the club should appear in the infobox. As long as the footballer ran on to the field during a SL game, that's enough.

I've been looking at the last two examples - Chris Beattie and Corey Lawrie. How do we treat clubs in competitions which, in the strictest sense, are not top level (ie, in each instance one club plays in the NRL or SL) but are the highest level of domestic competition? Do we treat it as with Brisbane and the BRL? Do we exclude top level domestic competition because of one club? And if we do include them, at what point are they excluded if more clubs from either France or New Zealand enter the SL or NRL? Writing this out I've talked myself into the Brisbane/BRL scenario. •Florrie•leave a note• 12:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Yeah, no one was really meant to see that yet as it's still a work in progress, but I'm flattered by your interest and pleased by your like-mindedness. I was working on that with the intention of introducing it after the adpotion of the new infobox on its talk page. You can see that when I got to Beattie and Lawrie I kinda ran out of steam as it just seems to get all too hard. All French clubs may need to be included as I think their national teams have been largely sourced from the domestic competition. And if they're included for French players they should be included for foreign players too, right? The same goes for New Zealand, pre-Warriors. So then we're left with just Australia and England having the selective inclusion policy? That's why part of me just wants to throw it in and allow all club football (a la Paul Gascoigne). The current discussion about colours added a new dimension to this, as an exhaustive list doesn't look so bad without colours. The issues of colours and inclusion are closely tied I think, as it's easier for me to see the benefit of an exhaustive list of all clubs a player played for if there won't be any colours. Similarly it's easier for me to see the advantage of having colours if the list is limited to only a few clubs. With a complete club football list the row of totals, as with the soccer players, could be left out, negating any negative effects of mixing minor with major football. A combined total for Chris Beattie would be pretty silly. Players like Brad Fittler won't be too much worse off as just looking at his matches played you get a general idea of what the total would be anyway. If a tradeoff could be agreed to between those in favour of inclusion and those against colours, we might be closer to a result. Or we could push ahead with trying to get our way with both the selective guidelines and the exclusion of colours. I kinda expected MDM, Sticks, Windler and yourself (who all also agree that colours are't needed - is it also a coincidence that we're the ones who contribute most?) to be supporters of the guidelines. But I've been having second thoughts about them because of how verbose they are and how complex they will become. I imagine discussion about agreeing on them being endless. That's why there's no way I was going to put them forth now when we appear to be so close to putting the infobox out. And it's also why the colours/inclusion tradeoff started to look more attractive.--Jeff79 (talk) 15:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

As M pointed out, WP policy seems to be against the use of colours in infoboxes as original research and no other sport (that I can find) uses a similar colour system, so I wouldn't be even looking at any sort of trade-off right now. More than likely, if we did trade off, three or four months down the track all the icons would have to be removed because a policy admin got wind of it...now there's a thought...we'd have the best of both! I'd forgotten about the representative selection angle with France. That puts a spanner in the works. Would you be prepared to see the end of G/T/FG tallies in infoboxes if we went with a complete list of clubs? The thing is it needs to be sorted for notability whatever we decide with infoboxes. Maybe you should put your guidelines into your sandbox until you are ready to present them for discussion? I'll probably still find it though. :) •Florrie•leave a note• 02:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC) ETA: Please reconsider "bending" on a discussion where the support tally is 7-3. The way we are going we may as well leave the infobox as it is and just pretty it up with some new dividers. We'll still have the same old arguments/objections whatever we do. :( •Florrie•leave a note• 02:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

No, I'd not like to see G/T/FG tallies go. I think the New Zealand club football issue could be fixed if we treat it the same as BRL, using he Warriors' entrance to the League as the cut-off date. That only leaves the French. The foreign players like Chris Beattie, whose totals would be a little bit skewed by mixing in the french club footy will probably be few and far between. So I think all french domestic footy can go in if it's top-level.--Jeff79 (talk) 14:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Trevor Allen

Thanks Jeff. No I didn't know that he played RL for Other Nationalities till you told me. Ta. By the way, that Other Nationalities article is looking really good. -Sticks66 12:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

1) Don't suppose you know which Other Nat game he made his RL rep debut do you ? and 2) Would appreciate your view on a matter which I've written about on the discussion page of the DCI article. Can you take a look ? -Sticks66 11:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Premiers table

I noticed that the 1908 Newcastle side is on the same line as the 1988 Newcastle side. Given the Gold Coast teams and the current Titans are separate, and that the merged Dragons are separated from the old St George, shouldn't the two Newcastles be separated? The way it looks is that they are the same club who didnt play in the NRL for 80 odd years. Mdw0 (talk) 00:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately Wikipedia is full of different premiers tables so you'll have to tell me which article exactly.--Jeff79 (talk) 14:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Queensland link

That's an excellent ref you linked to at Lionel Morgan (rugby league), Jeff. I've not come across it before. All I've been using is the 1995 Whiticker with the Queensland supplement. Do you have any, or know of any, references (on line or hard copy) for first-grade games played in Queensland - like Lionel Morgan with Wynnum-Manly? •Florrie•leave a note• 03:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Mate I wish I did. That's the one thing I'd like to find but haven't been able to. I'm travelling so anything I find is online. There are some really comprehensive sites out there. I've got a few on my talk page. The England and New Zealand ones that I also stumbled upon come to mind, but no BRL as yet.--Jeff79 (talk) 04:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I have emailed to express interest in a copy of "Up North" if it ever gets a re-print or onto cd as mentioned at the site. I've got the '83 and '85 Gary Lester Sun annuals. Unfortunately the '83 edition has bugger-all in the way of Brisbane stats. The '85 edition is good and has player stats, but it's limited to the one season obviously. •Florrie•leave a note• 09:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that'd be good. I'm slowly putting together the pieces for past Queensland based test players in order to build up to eventually putting together rugby league tour/test series articles like they have in rugby union and possibly also BRL premiership season articles. So much work though. Dunno if I'll ever get to it as I'm changing countries again in a few weeks.--Jeff79 (talk) 17:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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• Moved book cover image from the infobox to the part of the article's text that deals with the book.--Jeff79 (talk) 08:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Cavill Heugh

"Hi there Jeff, I see you keep removing the notability tag on the page for Cavill Heugh. I placed it there because there doesn't seem to be any indication of why he is notable. Perhaps I don't know enough about rugby--could you please explain why he is notable, specifically including 3rd party reference(s)? --TylerPuetz (^talk/_contribs) 08:34, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

When you have listed some 3rd party references, I will remove that speedy deletion tag. I would recommend putting the references in a section labeled "References". -- TylerPuetz (^talk/_contribs) 08:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I didn't keep removing it. I removed it once by accident because there was an edit conflict and I just cut & pasted what I'd done over the old version (which included your notability tag) rather than type it out all over again. I don't know how to make his notability any clearer than it is. If a reader doesn't know about the teams or competitions he played in, they are wikilinked. An in-text citations tag is more appropriate. I'm not real good with them, I admit. I don't like how the ones I've seen fill the edit window with link, date, source, etc. text, making it extremely difficult to tell citation text apart from the article's text when trying to edit it. Is there an in-text citing technique that only requires minimal text in the article's body, with the links, dates, sources, etc. at the bottom?--Jeff79 (talk) 08:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

You asked, "Is there an in-text citing technique that only requires minimal text in the article's body, with the links, dates, sources, etc. at the bottom?", The answer is yes, you can use this: [[2]] to cite your text. Did that answer your question? -- TylerPuetz (^talk/_contribs) 08:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Just put the URL between the "[" brackets? That doesn't produce a list of references does it? Is it adequate? Doesn't it make the list of URLs I've put at the bottom redundant? I like the way the other in-text citing method provides footnotes and information at the bottom, I just hate what it does to the edit window.--Jeff79 (talk) 08:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jeff. Actually no.. the way to do citations is located at WP:CITE; using links within the text like that will not generate a reflist and to my understanding is generally deprecated. Unfortunately there is no way around placing the citation text within the article text; it's how the site is built. Do you know how to make named references? With named references, you only have to place the cite information in the article text once. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 09:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that Jeff, I must have misunderstood your question. -- TylerPuetz (^talk/_contribs) 09:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

No worries. I've just made an attempt, but the citation info appears in the text rather than in a reference list at the bottom. Not sure how to fix it.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jeff, I'll see what I can do. No need to notify me on my talk page; you're currently on my watchlist. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 09:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Got it.. when you put in refs, you need to do them like so: <ref>{{cite web|foo|bar|baz}}</ref>. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 09:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I'll use that as a basis for citing other articles I edit/create.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello Jeff, I see you have provided one or more third party references, your aticle now meets Wikipedia article guidelines, and therefore, I have removed the notability tag from your page. If you have any questions, please reply on my talk page. --TylerPuetz (^talk/_contribs) 17:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

disambiguation for dual-code players

I would implore you to vote, I am going to go along with whatever outcome arises.Londo06 13:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

An outcome has arisen and you didn't go along with that.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

A 3-2 outcome with only three people including both you and I with any relation to the wiki-projects. I plan to open this up to all those who have an interest. If I find that most people do not agree with me, then I shall go along with the vote.Londo06 13:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

You'll find that it's 4 to 2 actually. Anyway, that result is from a discussion brought up at requested page moves, where interpretation of wikipedia's article naming policies and guidelines are discussed by editors who frequently deal with such issues. It cannot be discredited by a vote in a wikiproject.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

One of those was a comment from Xn4 who had already voted. I'm happy to welcome any votes on the wikiproject, I just felt it best to bring it to all those invested in the world of the oval ball.Londo06 13:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you're forgetting the editor that closed the debate. Anyway, the debate was also on the project discussion pages for both codes. We disambiguate only with what's necessary to differentiate articles of the same name, nothing more. Pretty simple stuff.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Have changed the title on the project page and will add a link to the previous discussion.Londo06 13:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Craig Innes

Good one (the article on Craig Innes). Yes I'd agree he's a DCI. Andrews (ABC of Rugby League) says the ARL afforded the match Test status. By the way kind of spooky about that Freddie Fittler image problem after I asked a question about it. Hope I didn't raise a red flag by doing so. Ooops if I did. -Sticks66 13:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Bob Bax

Hi Jeff - I've been reading an article on Norths Devils in my 1983 annual and there's a bit about Bob Bax, the "King of Coaches". Not enough information in it to build more than a slim stub so I was wondering if you know anything about him? Five straight permierships for Norths from 1960 to 1964 and he doesn't even get a mention in the club wiki article? •Florrie•leave a note• 04:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a name that's come up a few times while I've been working on rugby league articles. Definitely an interesting one to me. I'd like to peiece an article together as well, but I haven't found much about him.--Jeff79 (talk) 06:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

When I get the love/time back for RL articles, I'll do more research. Cheers, •Florrie•leave a note• 04:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Grevillea leucopteris

And I thought it was just me that could smell them...•Florrie•leave a note• 04:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Grevillea leucopteris - Commonly called "Smelly Socks" or "Old Socks" in WA

infobox and schoolboys.

What do you want me to do? Add "PLAYER played for Australian Schoolboys in XXXX".

I'll do it later from Category:Australian Schoolboy players.

 The Windler talk  05:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Well yeah. Something like: "Before making his NRL debut for the Brisbane Broncos, Carlaw represented Australia at schoolboy level in 19XX." Or whatever you like along those lines. I definitely support the inclusion of schoolboy footy in the article. Someone went to the trouble of researching it and finding years played and I respect that. I don't suppport expunging the info from the article altogether.--Jeff79 (talk) 05:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Somehow, I doubt that. It seems to me, it all came out of the factory, one by one from [3]. Thats not much research too me. And thats why there will never be games/tries/goals/fg/points. Though I get your point.  The Windler talk  05:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that's really good info and I'll definitely be putting the year, the school's name and which state into the body text.--Jeff79 (talk) 05:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

As per Jamie Ainscough and Glen Air. These are biographical articles and I am all for expanding them as much as possible.--Jeff79 (talk) 06:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I've got a couple of hours, I'll start from Z in the category list and work back. Shall add to text and ref as I go. •Florrie•leave a note• 06:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Jeff, the height/weight 'compromise' is discussed here. Not ecstatic about it, but there were too many brick walls and are too many better things to do, particularly for the productive element of the project. Hopefully Joel can work out a "retired" code, or we delete it from the infobox altogether. •Florrie•leave a note• 10:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I've done up to and inclusive of H on the Category:Australian Schoolboy players list. I'll do the rest, later this week.  The Windler talk  11:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay - I'm still going backwards. Slowly. •Florrie•leave a note• 11:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Guys, I dunno what you're doin with this "compromise" business. When you're right, you're right and when you're wrong, you're wrong. Halfwits and their sockpuppets shouldn't be able to change that. Come on. Height and weight for dead and elderly people? You know as well as I do how bad that is.--Jeff79 (talk) 19:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully I've resolved the issue. Unfortenly (for you) the default is the height/weight above the header. I will help you add the "retired=yes" to quickly resolve the issue.  The Windler talk  20:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Jeff. I suggested the compromise in a moment of frustration. It's shit, I know, but wasting time with a moron with a bottomless sock-drawer isn't a pastime I enjoy. •Florrie•leave a note• 00:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)