Allan Williams

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Vithoba

Thanks for your comments. Have addressed your concerns about the images. Please strike out comments that you feel are addressed satisfactorily. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 07:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Tanks for rectifying the image tags. Need your help. I found another image of Vithoba, to replace the Image:Vitthal.png at [1], with copyright:

"Material featured on this site may be reproduced free of charge in any format or media without requiring specific permission. This is subject to the material being reproduced accurately and not being used in a derogatory manner or in a misleading context. Where the material is being published or issued to others, the source must be prominently acknowledge. However, the permission to reproduce this material does not extend to any material on this site which is identified as being the copyright of the third party. Authorisation to reproduce such material be obtained from the copyright holders concerned."[2] Can it be uploaded? If yes, what tag? --Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that will do. I'm concerned about this condition: "This is subject to the material being reproduced accurately and not being used in a derogatory manner or in a misleading context." Wikipedia only allows images for which one can freely create derivatives (i.e. "reproduced accurately" could be interpreted as disallowing derivatives). Also, Wikipedia images need to be freely reusable in any context, even if subjectively "derogatory" or "misleading". What you may want to do is email the site and ask whether they'd be willing to release those conditions for this image (see WP:COPYREQ). Эlcobbola _talk 13:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The disputed image is removed. Can i upload any img from Flickr? Need help.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 15:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

<responded on Redtigerxyz talk> Эlcobbola _talk 15:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 15:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC) Will this work?

<responded on Redtigerxyz talk> Эlcobbola _talk 16:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, would you please comment on the FAC, that Images are OK in bold.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 16:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletable dispatch fodder

All that dispatch yum yum for nothing. Image:Stonewall_riots.jpg is up for deletion. I would appreciate your input into the discussion. --Moni3 (talk) 17:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Wehe mir. Wikipedia, you so crazy. Эlcobbola _talk 00:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Holy moley. A phrase is taken out, it's back in...The guidelines are muddy and interpretation is different from one editor to another, and the end result could be a deleted image despite anything I'm willing to do to keep it. Afwaaahhh??! --Moni3 (talk) 02:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to the wonderfully wacky world of wiki images (the WWWWI?) :) There's no such thing as a bullet-proof "non-free" image. A good rationale just makes an image less likely to be questioned. I think the image is fine, as do others, but reasonable people can disagree (although I do question the appropriateness of the policy reversion under these circumstances). At the end of the day, it's just an image; no need to stress. User:Angr#A_parable is good for a laugh, too. Эlcobbola _talk 03:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Project Gutenberg images

I have found a couple of images in a Project Gutenberg ebook. The link to the book is this. The book was originally published in New York in 1905. The Project Gutenberg rules appear to allow use of ebook material without condition. Would this allow me to upload a couple of the images? By the way, I have asked for your help so often, I wish I could return the favour in some way, but I can't conceive that you would ever need my help| Brianboulton (talk) 23:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Gutenberg is a fantastic resource, as it hosts only material that is free (libre) in the United States (although not necessarily in other jurisdictions). The linked book is A-OK (published in US before 1.1.1923), so have at it. I'm not so sure about never needing help; my English, as you've no doubt noticed, is not terribly good. If I ever get around to writing up another typewriter article, I may have to call in a copyedit. So, "someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a service for me." ;) Эlcobbola _talk 23:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Raining stars

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		I award this barnstar to Elcobbola for his invaluable help and extraordinary diligence in translating the baffling minutiae involved with providing kinda good articles with excellent images, making them wonderful pieces of art. Moni3 (talk) 04:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Rock on, man. Stonewall riots got the bronze star today. My next is Milk's. The star isn't a bribe, but if you could look at the images in the article and give any suggestions to make their inclusion beyond question before it gos up for FAC, you would be, if possible, more awesome. --Moni3 (talk) 04:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Great Denzel Washington on a cheddar cheese cracker, I forgot about Milk! There is indeed some image polishing to be done; is it okay if I get to it tonight (and where should I respond - here or on the article talk)? Thanks for the star, BTW, and well deserved on Stonewall. Эlcobbola _talk 13:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

That exclamation alone deserves another barnstar... If you could reply on the article talk page, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! --Moni3 (talk) 14:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Will do! Mmm, brisket... Эlcobbola _talk 14:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I've tried to strengthen the connection to the images in the text. Please give me your opinion on the changes. I'd like to put it up for FAC within the next couple of days, but I'm worried about fair-use rationales. --Moni3 (talk) 17:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Newvrindabanaccordions.jpg

Image:Newvrindabanaccordions.jpg Hi Henrydoktorsk, I've listed this image at possibly unfree images as I have concerns about its copyright tag. You're welcome to comment there. Let me know if you have questions. Regards, Эlcobbola talk 01:35, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern. Perhaps I need to do the correct license, something which I haven't quite yet figured out. The image is from the New Vrindaban Archives, which I own. What license need I fill out? Many thanks. Henry Doktorski (talk) 20:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Is a logo completely made up of text copyrightable?

Is Image:AXXo.jpg copyrightable? It's just text, but of a logo (for a software pirate). Gary King (talk) 15:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

No, it's a useful article (mere letters forming letters - in contrast to, say, this, which is letters forming an image). Note, however, that there's been a rash of (patently absurd, I think) deletion of text logos at the Commons recently; this image, it appears, is now amongst them. I've provided case law and US Copyright Office links in several deletion discussions, but armchair quarterbacks are winning the day with uninformed "it looks copyrightable to me" declarations. This, obviously, is a sore issue for me; the Commons simply has not been making good or informed decisions lately. If you want background reading for the text issue:

• Mazer v. Stein, 347 U.S. 201 (1954) [74 S.Ct. 460, 98 L. Ed. 630, rehearing denied 74 S.Ct. 637, 347 U.S. 949, 98 L.Ed. 1096]
• Eltra Corp. v. Ringer, 579 F.2d 294, 296 n.4 (4th Cir. 1978)
• United States Copyright Office: Compendium II: Copyright Office Practices
• United States Copyright Office Circular 1, revised July 2006

Hope this helps. Эlcobbola _talk 14:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Alright, so I guess you won't restore the image for fear of backlash from the other admins? :( Gary King (talk) 15:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, fear of repercussion is not really a factor. I need to be respectful of consensus, even if I disagree with it. Although the Axxo logo itself didn't really have consensus, the totality of the logo deletions is indicative that the community has affirmed an interpretation contrary to my own. There's always COM:UNDEL, if you're so inclined. Эlcobbola _talk 15:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Nah it's okay; in any case, I can always use the logo under fair use. Gary King (talk) 15:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Church

There's already a murky image question there. Since that FAC has spun out of control in the past, I'm hoping you'll get in there quickly and address the issue already raised, and anything else you see. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Apologies, Sandy; I'm not touching this. Эlcobbola _talk 14:22, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Take a look?

Hey, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is undergoing a GAN and User:Protonk brought up a question with a Fair use image used in the article (Image:Star-trek-II-spocks-funeral.png) here. I was wondering if you could give a second opinion. Thanks, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 13:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:Update

Thanks much for your image review at Harvey Milk. On the subject of WP:IUP ... the most common complaint (Moni just repeated it again at Talk:Everglades, but you hear it all the time) is "I can't keep up with all those guideline and policy changes". We've been getting monthly updates of some important guideline and policy pages into the Signpost recently. I've moved the project into WP-space, at WP:Update. Would you be interested in reporting on monthly changes to IUP, when there are any? You can get a sense of the level of detail we're looking for at that page. If so, I can create a new link for that page at WP:Update. (Feel free to reply here.) - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 15:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, IUP hasn't actually had a meaningful change in ages (e.g. nothing but non-substantive changes since at least July - I didn't look back any further). If anything germane to IUP is in flux, it's the degree to which reviewers actually engage IUP (i.e. some just do a superficial check to see that a copyright tag exists, while others dig deeper). Generally speaking, as long as you hit the three policy-mandated elements, you're just fine. That being said, though, I'm happy to update Wikipedia:Update if IUP ever changes. Эlcobbola _talk 15:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that's helpful. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 15:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:JaneAustenEpitaph.jpg

Would you advise us to find another version of this image? The tag doesn't explicitly release the copyright, to my understanding. Awadewit (talk) 12:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, the copyright doesn't need to be released, just certain protections afforded thereby (the "copyleft licenses are still under copyright" concept). The protections that need to be released in order for an image to be "free" are those restricting use, redistribution, and creation of modified versions (derivatives). This copyright right tag does indeed indicate a release of those protections.

The problem with this image is not the copyright tag, but, rather, that there is no explicit assertion of authorship. Did EMJALSJ take this him/herself? Did EMJALSJ find it on a website? Did a friend or relative of EMJALSJ take it? There isn't enough information there for us to know. Aside from running afoul of WP:IUP, it runs afoul of the copyright tag, which requires "the copyright holder is properly attributed". So, unless EMJALSJ can add attribution of the author (last edit 12.07), another version would be advisable. Эlcobbola _talk 15:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yes, what I meant to say was that the tag doesn't explicitly label the copyright holder - sorry I wasn't more precise. Awadewit (talk) 15:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Rhinemaidens images

A week or so ago you checked out a couple of Gutenberg images for me on this article. Is there any chance you could visit its peer review and look at the other images? I think they're OK, but I didn't choose all of them, and there is an FU rationale. I like to get rid of potential problems before, rather than during, the FAC process.

Coins from Ivory Coast

Are coins from the Ivory Coast in the PD? :) Awadewit (talk) 14:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Côte d'Ivoire is a signatory to the Berne Convention, so they'll have at least the 50 year minimum pma term. Whether or not government works get an exception, I don't know (although the President's official site states "all rights reserved", which, the site itself being a government work, probably does not bode well for the coins). My French is only good enough to get around town (ideally, a SNCF ticket east), so I didn't look further to see whether there are any statutes. Эlcobbola _talk 15:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)