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This project is wearing on me

Could someone take a look at this and close it? We have an editor who hadn't even participated in the discussion and debate that is reverting our consensus-based resolution. I'm really weary of all this stuff. S. Dean Jameson 01:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not convinced it should be closed. Enigma ^message 01:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh my god, I'm done. LOOK AT THE FLIPPING DISCUSSION!!! There's no real dissent there. S. Dean Jameson 01:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Stay calm. One RfD is not a big deal. The discussion started recently. Recommend you withdraw it instead of closing it. As you nominated it in the first place, you can simply withdraw your request. Let me know if you would like for me to do it for you. Enigma ^message 01:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Please do. That guy has stomped into the discussion and raised the OMGDRAHMA quotient with his reversions. I'm officially withdrawing it. And redirecting the page to the article space the rest of us (save that one guy who reopened it) agreed it should go. S. Dean Jameson 01:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of drama... Tan ǀ 39 01:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Would someone just withdraw it already? I'm not sure how to do it, and that would end that guy's crusade to keep it open against consensus. S. Dean Jameson 01:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done Enigma ^message 01:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've removed the tag from the redirect, and the drama should be over now. Unless he reverts you now, that is... S. Dean Jameson 01:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

When I closed it, I posted on his talk page. It should put an end to this. Sorry about the delay. I was editing something else and I didn't immediately notice your acceptance of my offer to close it. In the future, don't let something minor like an RfD get under your skin. I would suggest dumping the responsibility on someone else (feel free to try me in the future) and moving on to another area, if it bothers you that much. Happy editing! Enigma ^message 01:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• This is the first time I've really experienced something like this, where I worked with a group for consensus, reached a "best interests of the project" solution, and someone went to battle with me over it. Does this happen a lot? S. Dean Jameson 01:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• I haven't seen it, myself. Unusual situation there. Enigma ^message 01:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• Since the argument primarily centered on User:Eusebeus's !vote, I think the best course of action would have been to ask his opinion on your new proposal and whether he would be amenable to the retarget. A lot of heat could have been avoided. Arguing over someone else's opinion is fruitless when you can get it straight from the horse's mouth. Regards, Enigma ^message 02:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• I thought I left a note at all three of the other editors that had participated (Ned Scott came by later) to ask about it. Perhaps I missed his talkpage S. Dean Jameson 02:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• Ah yes, I see the note now. I would have worded it differently, considering that the whole reason closure was being resisting was his !vote, but it's water under the bridge. We can all learn from this. Enigma ^message 02:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• Ugh, reopened again, this time by Rossami. I'm convinced it should be closed, but I'm not going to edit war over it. Enigma ^message 05:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• I commented there. Let it run out, everyone (I presume) has had a full night's sleep now, the community will get it right. Keeper ǀ 76 15:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
• This is pretty ludicrous. Everyone is commenting that the new redirect is fine. What's the point of continuing it, really? Good grief! S. Dean Jameson 23:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• Even Pmedema: "I would say that if there is two more editors that agrees with the new redirect, it can be closed as a WP:SNOW." We have those two editors. I think it should be closed. Enigma ^message 23:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• Agreed. Would you mind finding someone uninvolved that would take a look and close it? (TPSers, you out there?) S. Dean Jameson 00:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

• You know, it didn't used to be hard to find people here. :) Enigma ^message 01:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's because there are people showing up to oppose RfAs per "too many posts at Keeper's talkpage" ... ;) S. Dean Jameson 22:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

• Closed again. :) Enigma ^message 22:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

And closed correctly this time. SDJ, you made very good points there, came up with a workable solution (I believe mostly with Skomorokh), but need to realize that there are processes (and the inevitable process wonkery) that often precludes common sense, right or wrong. RfD is full of it, and full of them. Always remember that "today's newspaper is tomorrow's litterbox liner". Nothing was at the "emergency level" here. If someone "undoes" a close of yours, WRITING IN ALLCAPS rarely helps move things along. Just let them undo, apologize even if you disagree, and work within the process. If Wikipedia is stressing you out, perhaps you need to remember that the pay here sucks, and there is absolutely nothing here worth getting stressed about. Nothing. That was definitely one of those "walk away" situations for everyone involved. It always seems to work out how it's supposed to in the end, we're smart people. It would've worked out the same way even without you getting stressed. Cheers, Keeper ǀ 76 14:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Any plans?

Ohai Keeper. I was wondering if you had any plans for an editor review on me soon. But it's no rush really. By the way, it seems Ryan Postlethwaite beat you to a review. :P He promised to review me because he saw the thread on your talk page from last time. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 18:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I second the above. but i have lots of time. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 18:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I seem to recall this discussion in which Keeper said, "Gentlemen, I'm likely not going to have time for this this week after all, and apologies for that RyRy, because I told you to remind me. I'll be on wiki most likely, but the energy needed to do a proper ER is just not appealing to me at the moment. Don't take it the wrong way. You're both great, you're both doing good things, and you both need to stop spamming me to review you, it's offputting." ::Might be worth taking into account. When I get hounded to review someone (not you, RyRy, to my knowledge you've never asked me to) it often does not reflect favorably in my review because it speaks to the user's patience, an important quality in lots of things in life, including adminship. Oh and Keeper? I *hate* the ESPN announcers. Hate hate hate. "Feenway Park" really? Joe Buck, you've killed the pleasure from enough games, you don't know the name of the Stadium? TravellingCari 02:48, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I watched the first four innings. On the graphic of the Yankees layout at the beginning of the game, the pitcher was "Pavano". Great job as always, ESPN. Enigma ^message 02:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Pavano, Ponson. Hey, they both start with "P", right? ESPN is pathetic, they make Fox look good. That said, I'll take 2/3 and put the game on mute. TravellingCari 03:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I figure ESPN was going by the theory that all that matters is the first letter. It was particularly funny because... Pavano? You mean the guy that threw like 112 innings in four seasons for the Yankees, while chewing up huge amounts of salary? Why is that name even in the rotation? Erase the name from baseball except in the history of biggest wastes of money ever. Anyway, I don't particularly like either team, but tonight's onslaught, I expected. Ponson simply isn't any good (Pavano would've been a better choice, heh), and the Red Sox have always owned him. Now we wait and see if the Washburn deal gets done. Enigma ^message 03:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Well said Travellingcari. Especially the part about the ESPN announcers. And the stuff about editor reviews....Keeper ǀ 76 14:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Attention stalkers (especially admins)

When you speedily delete a page that has NOT been tagged, what templates do you use to notify the creator of the page? I'd like to alert them that I just deleted their work per this bit I found on Giggy's page but I haven't found the right templates for it.  Frank  |  talk  15:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

If I delete something without a tag or prior warning, I try my best to notify the user with real words instead of a template (and I don't think there is one anyway, nothing I've been able to find). Ironically, when someone tags something for speedy, they notify the author, but it's usually deleted before they see there talkpage anyway, we have loads of CSD clearing admins right now, rarely a backlog of more than 10-20 articles and images. So I wouldn't worry too much about the template, just a note to the author, with an offer to help them if they feel it was an incorrect deletion for whatever reason. For deletions that I do as a result of someone else's tag, I have also linked authors to my subpage that explains why, and how to get it back. Feel free to create your own subpage if you want, just be sure to give its author much deserved credit. The very first line of my userpage/usertalk is a link that says "Did I delete your page? Click here!" As a result, I get very few repetitive inquiries from "newbie authors" because of that well-worded (not my words) subpage. Hope this all helps! Keeper ǀ 76 14:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

AN/I said this wasn't important enough....

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 – without keepervention - nice work TPS Keeper ǀ 76 14:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

...but I'm still disturbed by it so I'm bringing it to AN/K. There's this user JohnLeoWalsh. His user page is just the weirdest frickin' thing. It's not horrible or anything, but I don't think it's got any WP value at all..and his whole edit history--as well as the edit history of his logged-out IP 74.32.51.238--consists of one of two things: either a)edits to this weird-ass user page, or b)addition of deliberate and subtle errors to articles about TV shows/networks. I found a single legit edit, under another IP 74.32.6.70--the Jay Jay the Jet Plane edits. But that's it, and most of the rest of what he spends his time on here is this "God's People/Pets" thing. He doesn't seem to answer questions on his talkpage, either.

I know I'm being weird, here, but...seriously. Something about this smells really odd to me. Thanks!!Gladys J Cortez 16:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

This freaks me out. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 16:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

This is odd, 70% of the logged in users' edits are to userspace. If he keeps on editing without replying to messages on his talkpage, block as having no use to Wikipedia whatsoever...? Unless someone can find some incredibly impressive article contributions ;) Alex Muller 18:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

On the contrary--all but one of the other edits I've found among this user and IP's (probably him logged out) have been vandalism. Gladys J Cortez 20:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, this is just... odd. I agree that this wasn't really a matter for AN/I as he doesn't seem to have done anything blatantly wrong, it's just extremely weird. ~ mazca ^{t | c} 18:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

• WP:NOTWEBHOST seems to apply here. –xeno (talk) 19:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
• This seems kind of ... well ... creepy to me. Is this user communicative at all about what the hell he's trying to accomplish with that userpage? S. Dean Jameson 19:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

possibly MfD is the place to discuss it. DGG (talk) 22:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

• eh, with all the personal information (birth dates) disclosed, it should be speedied under some applicable criteria and oversighted. –xeno (talk) 22:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Sent this page to MfD Fritzpoll (talk) 22:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thankfully deleted by Nichalp. He did say that it doesn't qualify for oversight because there's no personally identifiable information present. Enigma ^message 09:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

That I don't get at all. If those are real people, there were names and DoBs. S. Dean Jameson 13:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

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POV in Indian articles

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Hi there is an IP address probably from India which is wreaking havoc with some of the Bollywood articles. See his contributions. He persistently keeps adding POV to an article or glorifying an actor or film further than they or it actually is. It is a major nuisance for the editors on here who work on Indian cinema articles to have to keep reverting him day in day out just to maintain some sense of article neutrality. Could you please warn him and try to make him aware of wikipedias neutrality and why his edits which are intent on putting POV or glorifying the subject of the article unnecesarily may be construed as agains tpolicy and therfore vandalism. Its doing my nut it keeoing track of him. User:Shshshsh (Shahid) raise my awarenss of it initially and other editors such as totalfilmi99 have to keep reverting him e.g here. Should he be blocked do you think? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 09:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look today Blofeld. Sorry for the slow response (Why aren't the TPS-ers taking the hard ones? Hmmm..., Keeper ǀ 76 14:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Didn't go fast enough, oops! Tan blocked after AN post by Baldy. Keeper ǀ 76 17:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Table of reliable sources for the names of the bits of the United Kingdom

Hi there, a while back, you did excellent work in carrying out some informal mediation on Talk:Wales about how to name the various bits of the United Kingdon. Part of your solution relied on a table of reliable sources that had been constructed on my initiative and placed in Subdivisions of the United Kingdom. Since then, there has been numerous changes made to the table and its place, so that now its present version lies in Countries of the United Kingdom. There is now a suggestion that it be removed entirely! Since your solution to the Wales problem relied on the presence of the table, I wonder if you could consider the issue of removal of the table? You can see the discussion on Talk:Countries of the United Kingdom#Poll on merge. Thanks.  DDStretch  (talk) 14:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi DDStretch, I'll get to this today. Should be online most of the day! Hope everyone had a nice weekend...AN/K sure seems busy...:-) Keeper ǀ 76 14:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA, wich was successful with 73 support, 6 oppose, and 5 neutral. I'll try to be as clear as I can in my communication and to clear some of the admin backlog on images. If there is anything I can help you with, don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page! Cheers, --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Funnies

Remember [1]? My quote? You called it quote of the day. Will you add it to your funnies. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 19:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Keeper, you there? Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

imo, that joke needs too much context to be included on a funny page like that. –xeno (talk) 14:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

no, just put Shapiroa10, talking about a children's TV show. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey Shap, I add things to my funnies page when the mood strikes me. You'll notice that virtually everything added there by me are added within hours (if not minutes) of when they actually occur. You're quote was funny, in an ironic way, and truly made me LOL when I read it, enough so to actually respond to it telling you it was funny. But I didn't add it to the funnies page, didn't occur to me. I think probably Xeno is right, too much context. Not to worry though, it's still in my archives where you found it. Cheers, Keeper ǀ 76 14:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh, shoulda known it wasn't funny. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh stop. I'm trying to read some article talk pages to solve content disputes and the orange message bar keeps popping up for this. This thread isn't funny, the other one was. Please let it go, Sam. Keeper ǀ 76 14:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thankspam

Thanks for your effective co-nom in my RFA. I must say, while I was pretty sure you would support me, I was not expecting such a, um, vehement support. I humbly thank you, and I hope that it is possible for me to live up to such a tremendous statement.

J.delanoy^gabs_adds 20:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Well earned! As you had approximately 3.5 times the amount of support that I did in my RfA, I fully expect you to be 3.5 times more efficient, more prolific, and more smarter than me. The last one shouldn't be too hard :-) Keeper ǀ 76 14:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Need some TPS (especially admins) to look at something

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 – Because archiving stuff early is all the craze on ANI these days. —Giggy 12:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wimbledon Estates - I declined a speedy on this, and suggested it went to AfD, but the Admin closed it as a consensus to delete 4 hours after listing, and 1 hour after the first and only comment. It wasn't speedy-deleted, and I'm concerned that there was no opportunity for even the author to respond to the non-notability. I've asked Bjweeks for a response before I DRV it, but I want to knwo if I'm overreacting. Fritzpoll (talk) 10:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You are not overreacting - the close of the AFD looks to be premature and completely out of process. nancy ^talk 10:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd really rather not wait for him to log back in this evening in order to deal with this, because at some point the author could come back, find their article gone, and then we've possibly lost another editor to the "admins have a closed clique of views" brigade. Shall I DRV now? I won't just undo the close. Fritzpoll (talk) 10:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I was talking to BJ on IRC a moment ago about this (he's stopped responding...) and suggested he overturn the close. He, um, didn't agree or disagree to do so (perhaps he's AFK, I don't know). —Giggy 10:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll take that to mean he's online. I'll DRV at 1130 UTC if I don't hear back Fritzpoll (talk) 10:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Ping to User talk:Bjweeks#Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wimbledon Estates. —Giggy 10:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

All done Fritzpoll (talk) 10:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Indian IP

Hi yes I've been trying to get hold of people for numerous reasons but many people seme to be away. Yes he has just been blocked. Hope you had a good break. I also needed your help with moving some pages for the centrla american countries but thats also been sorted now. Sometimes I could really use the tools!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I've offered to nominate. I'm no longer doing nominations, but I would gladly support your bid if you ever decide to go for it. Keeper ǀ 76 17:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh actually there was something else. See Category:Cities, towns and villages in Thailand. There are many articles which are unnecessily ending in (town) or city. COuld you move them back to the plain names without the ending. The provincial name ends in Province anyway to naming something ... town is incorrect. E.g Chanthaburi town should be moved back to Chanthaburi which is in Chanthaburi Province, Could you help? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)