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{{Infobox President
|name = Sun Yat-sen<br><small>孫文</small><br><small>孫中山</small><br><small>孫逸仙</small>
|image = Sunyatsen1.jpg
|nationality = [[Chinese people|Chinese]]
|order = [[President of the Republic of China]]<br><small>provisional</small>
|vicepresident = [[Li Yuanhong]]
|term_start = [[01 January]] [[1912]]
|term_end = [[01 April]] [[1912]]
|predecessor = Office created
|successor = [[Yuan Shikai]]
|birth_date = {{birth date|1866|11|12|df=y}}
|birth_place = [[Zhongshan|Xiangshan]], [[China]]
|death_date = {{death date and age|1925|3|12|1866|11|12|df=y}}
|death_place = [[Beijing]], [[China]]
|spouse = [[Lu Muzhen]] <small>(1885 – 1915)</small><br>[[Soong Ching-ling]] <small>(1915 – 1925)</small>
|party = [[Kuomintang]]
|alma_mater = [[Hong Kong College of Medicine for Chinese]]
|occupation = [[Physician]]<br>[[Politician]]<br>[[Revolutionary]]<br>[[Writer]]
|religion = [[Congregationalist]]<ref>Soong, (1997) p. 151-178</ref>
}}
'''Sun Yat-sen''' ([[November 12]], [[1866]] &ndash; [[March 12]], [[1925]]) was a [[China|Chinese]] [[revolutionary]] and [[Politician|political]] leader often referred to as the [[Father of the Nation|Father of Modern China]]. Sun played an instrumental role in the eventual collapse of the [[Qing Dynasty]] in 1911. He was the first provisional [[President of the Republic of China|president]] when the [[Republic of China]] (ROC) was founded in 1912 and later co-founded the [[Kuomintang]] (KMT) where he served as its first leader. Sun was a uniting figure in [[post-Imperial China]], and remains unique among 20th-century [[China|Chinese]] politicians for being widely revered in both [[Mainland China]] and [[Taiwan]].


== Re:SR-68 ==
Although Sun is considered one of the greatest leaders of modern [[China]], his political life was one of constant struggle and frequent [[exile]]. After the success of the revolution, he quickly fell out of power in the newly-founded Republic of China, and led successive revolutionary governments as a challenge to the [[warlord era|warlord]]s who controlled much of the nation. Sun did not live to see his party bring about [[Northern Expedition (1926–1927)|consolidation of power]] over the country. His party, which formed a fragile alliance with the [[Communist]]s, split into two factions after his death. Sun's chief legacy resides in his developing a [[political philosophy]] known as the ''[[Three Principles of the People]]'' (The People's Relation/Connection, The People's Power, and [[social welfare|the People's Livelihood/Welfare]], or sometimes known as [[nationalism]], [[democracy]]/[[sovereignty]], and [[socialism]]/[[livelihood]] depending on the translation).


As it stands now, I would divide the "Overview" section and integrate it into the main prose. Yeah, it is better than it being in the lead but an Overview section is certainly unorthodox. However, I'm probably not the best guy to ask when it comes to this. Davemeistermoab is responsible for all three FAs that UTSH has so he'd probably have some better responses. Good luck with the FAC [[User:CountyLemonade|C]][[User talk:CountyLemonade|L]] — 02:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
==Early years==
:Yeah, though I guess you can't really call me co-contributor since I haven't really done much to promote it to GA and A-classes. I'm on a sort of a wikibreak right now anyway, but if you still want I'll conom it when you put it up for FA. You should still ask Dave though, just to see what he thinks. [[User:CountyLemonade|C]][[User talk:CountyLemonade|L]] — 03:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Sun Yat Sen family.jpg|200px|frame|left|Sun Yat-sen (back row, fifth from left) and his family.]]
::Yeah, I guess so :) When you nom for FA, I'll pop by once in a while to fix the issues and I'll conom as well. Let's hope this passes - [[User:CountyLemonade|C]][[User talk:CountyLemonade|L]] — 03:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Hey you asked me to look at SR-68. looks good, I gave you some feedback on IRC. My personal preference is to avoid "the highway passes by X then Y and then Z". I'd prefer to say, "the highway passes by Y which is notable because.... and was built in...," and not mention X and Z. IMO it makes for a better read. However, take that with a grain of salt, when I usually submit road articles for GAC or ACR or whatever, I'm constantly asked to expand the route description section, so I might be in the minority. But even if you disagree, I think you'll have a descent shot at FAC. =-) [[User:Davemeistermoab|Dave]] ([[User talk:Davemeistermoab|talk]]) 02:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


== Reply ==
Sun Yat-sen was born on [[November 12]], [[1866]], to a peasant family in the village of [[Cuiheng]], [[Zhongshan|Xiangshan]] county , [[Guangzhou]] prefecture, [[Guangdong]] province (26 km or 16 miles north of [[Macau]]). When Sun Yat-sen died in 1925, the name of Xiangshan was changed to Zhongshan, His Japanese name when he was living in Japan. As a child, Sun Yat-sen listened to many stories about the [[Taiping Rebellion]] from an old Taiping soldier named Lai han-ying (賴漢英). After receiving a few years of local school, at age thirteen, Sun went to live with his elder brother, Sun Mei, in [[Honolulu]]. Sun Mei, who was fifteen years Sun Yat-sen's senior, had emigrated to [[Hawaii]] as a laborer and had become a prosperous [[merchant]]. Though Sun Mei was not always supportive of Sun's later revolutionary activities, he supported his brother financially, allowing Sun to give up his professional career. Sun Yat-sen studied at the prestigious [[Iolani School]] where he learned English, mathematics and science. Originally unable to speak the English language, Sun Yat-sen picked up the language so quickly that he received a prize for outstanding achievement in English from [[King David Kalakaua]]. He became a citizen of the United States and was issued an American passport. It is unclear whether or not he maintained his original citizenship as a subject of the Qing empire. After graduation from Iolani School in 1882,<ref name="DrSenIolaniSchool">{{cite web |url= http://www.iolani.org/wn_aboutiolani_100305_cc.htm |title= Dr. Sun Yat-Sen (class of 1882) |work= [[Iolani School]] website |quote= }}</ref> Sun enrolled in [[Oahu College]] (now [[Punahou School]]) for further studies for one semester.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Aug/16/ln/hawaii708160313.html |title= Chinatown park, statue honor Sun Yat-sen|accessdate=2007-08-17 |last=Brannon |first=John |authorlink= |coauthors= |date=2007-08-16 |year= |month= |format= |work= |publisher=Honolulu Star-Bulletin |pages= |language= |archiveurl= |archivedate= |quote=Sun graduated from Iolani School in 1882, then attended Oahu College — now known as Punahou School — for one semester. }}</ref>. He was soon sent home to China as his brother was becoming afraid that Sun Yat-sen was about to embrace [[Christianity]]. While at Iolani, he befriended Tong Phong, who later founded the First Chinese-American Bank.


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His American experience was to be of lasting influence. Sun attached particular importance to the ideas of [[Alexander Hamilton]] and [[Abraham Lincoln]]. Sun often said that the formulation of Lincoln's [[Gettysburg Address]], “government of the people, by the people, for the people”, had been the inspiration for the ''[[Three Principles of the People]]''. He incorporated these ideas, later in life, in two highly influential books. One, ''The Vital Problem of China'' (1917), analyzed some of the problems of [[colonialism]]: Sun warned that “…the [[British Empire|British]] treat nations as the [[silkworm]] farmer treats his worms; as long as they produce [[silk]], he cares for them well; when they stop, he feeds them to the fish.” The second book, ''International Development of China'' (1921), presented detailed proposals for the development of [[infrastructure]] in China, and attacked the ideology of [[laissez-faire]], as well as that of [[Karl Marx|Marxism]] adhering more to the ideas of [[Henry George]]'s, particularly [http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/shang_ying_on_sun_yat_sen.html land value taxation]. His ideology remained flexible, however, reflecting his audience as much as his personal convictions. He presented himself as a strident [[nationalist]] to the nationalists, as a [[socialist]] to the socialists, and an [[Chinese Anarchism|anarchist]] to the anarchists, declaring at one point that “the goal of the [[Three Principles of the People]] is to create [[socialism]] and [[anarchism]].” It is an open matter of debate whether this eclecticism reflected a sincere effort to incorporate ideas from the multiple competing schools of thought or was simply opportunistic posturing. In any case, his ideological flexibility allowed him to become a key figure in the Nationalist movement since he was one of very few people who had good relations with all of the movement's factions.
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When he returned home in 1883, he became greatly troubled by what he saw as a backward China that demanded exorbitant taxes and levies from its people. The schools maintained their ancient methods, leaving no opportunity for expression of thought or opinion. Under the influence of Christian missionaries in Hawaii, Sun had developed a disdain for traditional Chinese religious beliefs. One day, Sun and his childhood friend [[Lu Hao-tung]] passed by [[Beijidian]] (北極殿), a temple in Cuiheng Village, where they saw many villagers worshipping the Beiji (literally ''[[North Pole]]'') Emperor-God in the temple. They broke off the hand of the statue, incurring the wrath of fellow villagers, and escaped to [[Hong Kong]].
~~ '''[[User:ComputerGuy890100|ĈĠ]]''' [[User talk:ComputerGuy890100|☺]] <sup>[[User:ComputerGuy890100/Simple|Simple]]?</sup> 23:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
== Your [[WP:GA|GA]] nomination of [[Washington State Route 339]] ==


The article [[Washington State Route 339]] you nominated as a [[Wikipedia:Good article nominations|good article]] has been placed on hold [[Image:Symbol wait.svg|20px]]. It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See [[Talk:Washington State Route 339]] for things needed to be addressed. ~~ '''[[User:ComputerGuy890100|ĈĠ]]''' [[User talk:ComputerGuy890100|☺]] <sup>[[User:ComputerGuy890100/Simple|Simple]]?</sup> 00:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Sun studied English at the Anglican Diocesan Home and Orphanage (currently [[Diocesan Boys' School]]) in Hong Kong. In April 1884, Sun was transferred to the Central School of Hong Kong (later renamed [[Queen's College, Hong Kong|Queen's College]]). Sun was later baptized in Hong Kong by an American missionary of the Congregational Church of the United States, to his brother's disdain. Sun pictured a [[revolution]] as similar to the salvation mission of the Christian church. His conversion to Christianity was related to his revolutionary ideals and push for advancement<ref>Soong, (1997) p. 151-178</ref>. As a result, his baptismal name, Rixin ({{lang|zh-Hant|日新}}), literally means "daily renewal."


== Re: Washington State Route 339 GAR ==
[[Image:Si Da Kou.jpg|thumb|200px|left|Photograph of Sun Yat-sen and his friends, the so-called "Si Da Kou" (Four Great Gangs, {{lang|zh-Hant|四大寇}}) in the [[Hong Kong College of Medicine for Chinese]] (from left to right: Yang Heling, Sun Yat-sen, Chen Shaobai and You Lie. The one standing was Guan Jingliang.).]]


Regarding the footnotes, that was a typo, I meant they're supposed to be after. Regarding prose, the writing is kinda choppy. And I don't understand what you mean that it's not a real road, and thus does not have a history. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 02:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Sun studied medicine at the [[Guangzhou Boji Hospital]] under the medical missionary [[John Glasgow Kerr|John G. Kerr]]. Ultimately, he earned the license of medical practice as a [[medical doctor]] from the [[Hong Kong College of Medicine for Chinese]] (the forerunner of [[University of Hong Kong|The University of Hong Kong]]) in 1892, of which he was one of the first two graduates. He subsequently practiced medicine in that city briefly in 1893. He had an [[arranged marriage]] with fellow villager [[Lu Muzhen]] at age twenty; she bore him a son [[Sun Fo]], who would grow up to become a high ranking official in the Republican government, and two daughters, Sun Yan and Sun Wan.


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During and after the [[Qing Dynasty]] rebellion, Sun was a leader within [[Tiandihui]], a precursor to modern [[Triad society|triad]] groups. Tiandihui provided much of Sun's funding. His protégé, [[Chiang Kai Shek]], was also a member of Tiandihui .
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== Tag on [[Metropolitan Phoenix Freeways]] ==
==Transformation into a revolutionary==
Sun, who had grown increasingly troubled by the conservative Qing government and its refusal to adopt knowledge from the more technologically advanced Western nations, quit his medical practice in order to devote his time to transforming China. At first, Sun aligned himself with the reformists [[Kang Youwei]] and [[Liang Qichao]] who sought to transform China into a Western-style constitutional monarchy. In 1894, Sun wrote a long letter to [[Li Hongzhang]], the governor-general of [[Zhili]] and a reformer in the court, with suggestions on how to strengthen China, but he was rebuffed. Since Sun had never been trained in the classics, the gentry did not accept Sun into their circles. From then on, Sun began to call for the abolition of the monarchy and the establishment of a republic.


Hello, I was just wondering what the tag you put on the page I primarily made meant? I'm still relatively new to wikipedia, so I don't know all the ins and outs yet.
Sun went to Hawaii in October 1894 and founded the [[Revive China Society]] to unveil the goal of a prospering China and as the platform for future revolutionary activities. Members were drawn mainly from fellow Cantonese expatriates and from the lower social classes.


Let me know ASAP so I can fix it; this is presuming that the tag is a negative thing of course. Thanks.
===From exile to Wuchang Uprising===
[[Image:Sun Yat-Sen plaque.JPG|thumb|Plaque in London marking the site of a house where Sun Yat-sen lived while in exile]]


[[User:Rko202|Rko202]] ([[User talk:Rko202|talk]]) 16:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
In 1895 a [[coup]] he plotted failed, and for the next sixteen years Sun was an [[exile]] in [[Europe]], the [[United States]], [[Canada]], and [[Japan]], raising money for his revolutionary party and bankrolling uprisings in China. In Japan, where he was known as Nakayama Shō ([[Kanji]]: {{lang|ja-Hant|中山樵}}, lit. 'Middle Mountain Woodsman'), he joined [[dissident]] Chinese groups (which later became the [[Tongmenghui]]) and soon became their leader. He spent, on and off, about ten years in Japan while befriending and being financially aided by a democratic revolutionary in Japan, Miyazaki Toten (1871-1922). Nanjing Historical Remains Museum of Chinese Modern History exhibits a bronze statue of Sun and Miyazaki placed alongside. Miyazaki wrote a series of articles for newspapers including nationally-circulated Asahi about Sun and his revolutionary efforts under the title "33-year dream". His last name Nakayama came from the imperial family which occupied Sun's favorite estate mansion located in central Tokyo. He eventually left Japan due to fears of the excessively large level of support he had there and went to the States.
In Japan, He met and befriended [[Mariano Ponce]], then a diplomat of the [[First Philippine Republic]]. Sun also supported the cause for Philippine Independence and even supplied the Philippine army with guns.
On [[October 10]], [[1911]], a military [[Wuchang Uprising|uprising at Wuchang]] in which Sun had no direct involvement (at that moment Sun was still in exile and [[Huang Xing]] was in charge of the revolution), began a process that ended over two thousand years of imperial rule in China. When he learned of the successful rebellion against the [[Qing Dynasty|Qing]] emperor from press reports, Sun immediately returned to China from the United States. Later, on [[December 29]], [[1911]] a meeting of representatives from provinces in [[Nanjing|Nanking]] elected Sun as the provisional [[President of the Republic of China]] and set [[January 1]], [[1912]] as the [[Epoch (reference date)|first day]] of the First Year of the Republic. This republic calendar system is still used in [[Taiwan]] today.


All right, I should have them all changed and the article renominated within three days or so. Thanks for explaining.
The official history of the [[Kuomintang]] (and for that matter, the [[Communist Party of China]]) emphasizes Sun's role as the first provisional President, but many historians now question the importance of Sun's role in the 1911 revolution and point out that he had no direct role in the Wuchang uprising and was in fact out of the country at the time. In this interpretation, his naming as the first provisional President was precisely because he was a respected but rather unimportant figure and therefore served as an ideal compromise candidate between the revolutionaries and the conservative [[gentry]].


[[User:Rko202|Rko202]] ([[User talk:Rko202|talk]]) 16:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
However, Sun is credited for the funding of the revolutions and for keeping the spirit of revolution alive, even after a series of failed uprisings. Also, as mentioned, he successfully merged minor revolutionary groups to a single larger party, providing a better base for all those who shared the same ideals.


I finished replacing the unreliable sources today, actually. How obsessive compulsive I can be sometimes. Anyway, I'm renominating the article again for GA status. I'm awaiting a map from the task force, I put in a request two days ago.
Sun is highly regarded as the National Father of modern China. His political philosophy, known as the ''[[Three Principles of the People]]'', was proclaimed in August 1905. In his ''Methods and Strategies of Establishing the Country'' completed in 1919, he suggested using his Principles to establish ultimate [[peace]], [[Freedom (political)|freedom]], and [[Social equality|equality]] in the country. He devoted all efforts throughout his whole lifetime until his death for a strong and prosperous China and the well being of its people.


[[User:Rko202|Rko202]] ([[User talk:Rko202|talk]]) 03:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
===Republic of China===
[[Image:Sun Yat-sen 1924 Guangzhou.jpg|frame|left|229px|Sun Yat-sen in [[Guangzhou]], 1924]]


I appreciate this, thanks a lot.
After taking the oath of office, Sun Yat-sen sent [[telegram]]s to the leaders of all provinces, requesting them to elect and send new [[senator]]s to establish the [[National Assembly of the Republic of China]]. The Assembly then declared the provisional government organizational guidelines and the provisional law of the Republic as the basic law of the nation.


[[User:Rko202|Rko202]] ([[User talk:Rko202|talk]]) 03:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
The provisional government was in a very weak position. The southern provinces of China had declared independence from the Qing dynasty, but most of the northern provinces had not. Moreover, the provisional government did not have military forces of its own, and its control over elements of the [[New Army]] that had mutinied was limited, and there were still significant forces which had not declared against the Qing.


== Legacy Parkway changes ==
The major issue before the provisional government was gaining the support of [[Yuan Shikai]], the man in charge of the [[Beiyang Army]], the military of northern China. After Sun promised Yuan the presidency of the new Republic, Yuan sided with the revolution and forced the [[Henry Puyi|emperor]] to abdicate. (Eventually, Yuan proclaimed himself emperor and afterwards opposition snowballed against Yuan's dictatorial methods, leading him to renounce the throne shortly before his death in 1916.) In 1913 Sun led an unsuccessful revolt against Yuan, and he was forced to seek asylum in Japan, where he reorganized the Kuomintang. He married [[Soong Ching-ling]], one of the [[Soong sisters]], in Japan on [[October 25]], [[1915]], without divorcing his first wife Lu Muzhen due to opposition from the Chinese community. Lu pleaded with him to take Soong as a concubine but this was also unacceptable to Sun's [[Christian ethics]].


{{tlx|talkback|Anomie|Changes to Legacy Parkway}} -- [[User:Anomie|Anomie]] ([[User talk:Anomie|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Anomie|contribs]]) 16:21, 13 September 2008
==Guangzhou militarist government==
In the late 1910s, China was greatly divided by different military leaders without a proper central government. Sun saw the danger of this and returned to China in 1917 to advocate unification. He started a self-proclaimed military government in [[Guangzhou]] (Canton), Guangdong Province, southern China, in 1921, and was elected as president and [[generalissimo]].


== Re:Bot request ==
In a February 1923 speech presented to the [[Students' Union]] in [[Hong Kong University]], he declared that it was the corruption of China and the peace, order and good government of Hong Kong that turned him into a revolutionary.<ref>Ho, Virgil K.Y. [2005] (2005). Understanding Canton: Rethinking Popular Culture in the Republican Period. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0199282714</ref><ref>Carroll, John Mark. Edge of Empires:Chinese Elites and British Colonials in Hong Kong. Harvard university press. ISBN 0674017013</ref> This same year, he delivered a speech in which he proclaimed his ''[[Three Principles of the People]]'' as the foundation of the country and the [[Constitution of the Republic of China|Five-Yuan Constitution]] as the guideline for the political system and bureaucracy. Part of the speech was made into the [[National Anthem of the Republic of China]].


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To develop the military power needed for the [[Northern Expedition (1926–1927)|Northern Expedition]] against the militarists at [[Beijing]], he established the [[Whampoa Military Academy]] near Guangzhou, with [[Chiang Kai-shek]] as its [[commandant]] and with such party leaders as [[Wang Ching-wei]] and [[Hu Han-min]] as political instructors. The Academy was the most eminent military school of the Republic of China and trained graduates who fought in the [[Second Sino-Japanese War]] and on both sides of the [[Chinese Civil War]].
-- [[User:Tinucherian|'''<em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu</em>''']] [[User talk:Tinucherian|'''<em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian </em>''']] - 05:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:sunys.JPG|thumb|230px|Sun Yat-sen (middle) and [[Chiang Kai-shek]] (on stage in uniform) at the founding of the [[Whampoa Military Academy]] in 1924.]]


== My RfA ==
However, as soon as he established his government in Guangzhou, Sun Yat-sen came into conflict with entrenched local power. Sun's militarist government was not based on the Provisional Constitution of 1912, which the anti-Beiyang forces vowed to defend in the [[Constitutional Protection War]]. In addition, Sun was elected president by a parliament that did not meet [[quorum]] following its move from Beijing. Thus, many politicians and warlords alike challenged the legitimacy of Sun's militarist government. Sun's use of heavy taxes to fund the [[Northern Expedition (1926–1927)|Northern Expedition]] to militarily unify China also came at odds with reformers such as [[Chen Jiongming]], who advocated establishing [[Guangdong]] as a “model province” before launching a costly military campaign. In sum, Sun's military government was opposed by the internationally-recognized [[Beiyang government]] in the north, Chen's Guangdong provincial government in the south, and other provincial powers that shifted alliance according to their own benefit.


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[[Image:Sun yat sen money portrait.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Sun's portrait adorns [[Republic of China]]'s [[NT$]]100 bill.]]
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== I agree to a Utah Wikipedian meeting ==


Thank you for your message.
He again became premier of the Kuomintang from [[10 October]] [[1919]] – [[12 March]] [[1925]]. In the early 1920s Sun received help from the [[Comintern]] for his reorganization of the Kuomintang as a [[Leninist]] [[democratic centralism|Democratic-Centrist]] Party and negotiated the [[Chinese Civil War#The First United Front|First CCP-KMT United Front]]. In 1924, in order to hasten the conquest of China, he began a policy of active cooperation with the [[Communist Party of China|Chinese Communists]].
I agree on this initiative, please let me know. [[User:Adrian Comollo|Adrian Comollo]] ([[User talk:Adrian Comollo|talk]]) 20:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
== FLC ==


Hey there Admrboltz. I was wondering how long FLC nominations last. I'm not familiar with the process as much as you do, so some feedback would be appreciated. Oh, and thanks for resolving some of the issues at the Mets FLC. =) Yours, [[User:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 00:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
By this time, Sun was convinced that the only hope for a unified China lay in a military conquest from his base in the south, followed by a period of political tutelage that would culminate in the transition to [[democracy]]. Sun then prepared for the later Northern Expedition with help from foreign powers until his death.
:Alright, thanks! -- [[User:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 00:34, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
== Captain Janks ==


I really wish I could read the list of Cpt. Janks' prank calls... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.181.15.87|69.181.15.87]] ([[User talk:69.181.15.87|talk]]) 02:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
On [[November 10]] [[1924]], Sun traveled north and delivered another speech to suggest gathering a conference for the Chinese people and the abolition of all unequal treaties with the Western powers. Two days later, he yet again traveled to [[Beijing]] to discuss the future of the country, despite his deteriorating health and the ongoing civil war of the [[warlord]]s. Although ill at the time, he was still head of the southern government. On [[November 28]] [[1924]] Sun traveled to Japan and gave a remarkable [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sun_Yat_Sen%27s_speech_on_Pan-Asianism speech on Pan-Asianism] at [[Kobe]], [[Japan]]. He left Guangzhou to hold peace talks with the northern regional leaders on the unification of China. Sun died of [[Hepatocellular carcinoma|liver cancer]] on [[March 12]], [[1925]], at the age of 58 at the [[Peking Union Medical College|Rockefeller Hospital in Beijing]].<ref>{{cite news |first= |last= |authorlink= |coauthors= |title=Lost Leader |url=http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,881448,00.html |quote=A year ago his death was prematurely announced; but it was not until last January that he was taken to the Rockefeller Hospital at Peking and declared to be in the advanced stages of cancer of the liver. |work=[[Time (magazine)]] |date=[[March 23]], [[1925]] |accessdate=2008-08-03 }}</ref><ref>{{cite news |first= |last= |authorlink= |coauthors= |title=Dr. Sun Yat-sen Dies in Peking. Chinese Leader Had Failed Steadily Since an Operation ? on Jan. 26 for Cancer. Helped To Oust Manchus. Headed the New Government for a Time. |url= |quote= |work=[[New York Times]] |date= [[March 12]], [[1925]] |accessdate=2008-08-03 }}</ref>


==Legacy==
== Re: SR-103 PR ==
[[Image:Sun yatsen in Tiananmen.jpg|thumb|Sun Yat-sen tribute in [[Tiananmen Square]], 2005.]]
One of Sun's major legacies was his political philosophy, the [[Three Principles of the People]] (sanmin zhuyi, 三民主義). These Principles included the principle of nationalism (minzu, 民族), democracy (minquan, 民權) and the People's Livelihood (minsheng, 民生). The Principles retained a place in the rhetoric of both the Kuomintang and the Chinese Communist Party with completely different interpretations. This difference in interpretation is due partly to the fact that Sun seemed to hold an ambiguous attitude to both capitalist and communist methods of development, as well as due to his untimely death, in 1925, before he had finished his now-famous lecture series on the Three Principles of the People. In addition, Sun is also one of the primary [[saint]]s of the [[Vietnam]]ese [[religion]] [[Cao Dai]].
===Power struggle===
After Sun's death, a power struggle between his young ''protégé'' [[Chiang Kai-shek]] and his old revolutionary comrade [[Wang Jingwei]] split the KMT. At stake in this struggle was the right to lay claim to Sun's ambiguous legacy. In 1927 Chiang Kai-shek married [[Soong May-ling]], a sister of Sun's widow [[Soong Ching-ling]], and subsequently he could claim to be a brother-in-law of Sun. When the [[April 12 Incident|Communists and the Kuomintang split]] in 1927, marking the start of the [[Chinese Civil War]], each group claimed to be his true heirs, a conflict that continued through [[World War II]].


Finished the peer review. You do good work! Let me know when you submit the article for FAC. I'll definitely throw in my support despite it being such a short article. - <font color="355E3B">[[User:Yohhans|Yohhans]]</font><sup><small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:Yohhans|talk]]</small></sup> 02:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The official veneration of Sun's memory, especially in the Kuomintang, was a virtual [[cult]], which centered around his tomb in [[Nanking]]. His widow, [[Soong Ching-ling]], sided with the Communists during the Chinese Civil War and served from 1949 to 1981 as Vice President (or Vice Chairwoman) of the [[People's Republic of China]] and as Honorary President shortly before her death in 1981.
:Haha. Yeah, I think Mitch has made some people crazy when it comes to roads. But hey, at least it's not as bad as Hurricanehink and Juliancoulton(sp) with their hurricane articles. - <font color="355E3B">[[User:Yohhans|Yohhans]]</font><sup><small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:Yohhans|talk]]</small></sup> 02:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::First you spell my name wrong, then you make fun of my hurricanes? How dare you! :P &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 18:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Hah! I've been caught. You know it's just a complement though. I find it amazing how many quality articles you guys produce. And be fair... I didn't misspell it that poorly. :-P - <font color="355E3B">[[User:Yohhans|Yohhans]]</font><sup><small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:Yohhans|talk]]</small></sup> 18:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


===Father of the Nation===
== My RfA ==
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Sun Yat-sen remains unique among twentieth-century Chinese leaders for having a high reputation both in [[mainland China]] and in Taiwan. In Taiwan, he is seen as the Father of the [[Republic of China]], and is known by the [[posthumous name]] ''Father of the Nation, Mr. Sun Chungshan'' ([[Chinese language|Chinese]]: {{lang|zh-Hant-TW|國父　孫中山先生}}, where the one-character space is a traditional homage symbol). His likeness is still almost always found in ceremonial locations such as in front of legislatures and classrooms of public schools, from elementary to senior high school, and he continues to appear in new coinage and currency.
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|style="background-color: #def; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #888;"|Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (154/3/2). I appreciate the community's trust in me, and I will do my best to be sure it won't regret handing me the mop. I am honored by your trust and your support. Again, thank you. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 18:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
===Forerunner of the Revolution===
[[Image:Sun Yat-sen Mausoleum.jpg|thumb|[[Sun Yat-sen Mausoleum]] in [[Nanjing]]]]

On the [[mainland China|mainland]], Sun is also seen as a Chinese [[nationalist]] and proto-[[socialist]], and is highly regarded as the ''Forerunner of the Revolution'' (革命先行者). He is mentioned by name in the preamble to the [[Constitution of the People's Republic of China]]. In most major Chinese cities one of the main streets is named "Zhongshan" ({{lang|zh-Hani|中山}}) to memorialize him, a name even more commonly found than other popular choices such as "Renmin Lu" ({{lang|zh-Hani|人民路}}), or ''The People's Road'', and "Jiefang Lu" ({{lang|zh-Hani|解放路}}), or ''Liberation Road''. There are also numerous parks, schools, and geographical features named after him. The city of [[Zhongshan]] in [[Guangdong]], where Sun was originally from, is named after Sun, and there is a hall dedicated to his memory at the [[Temple of Azure Clouds]] in Beijing.

In recent years, the leadership of the [[Communist Party of China]] has been increasingly invoking Sun, partly as a way of bolstering [[Chinese nationalism]] in light of [[Chinese economic reform]] and partly to increase connections with supporters of the [[Kuomintang]] on [[Taiwan]] which the PRC sees as allies against Taiwanese independence. Sun's tomb was one of the first stops made by the leaders of both the [[Kuomintang]] and the [[People First Party (Republic of China)|People First Party]] on their [[2005 Pan-Blue visits to mainland China|trips to mainland China in 2005]]. A massive portrait of Sun continues to appear in [[Tiananmen Square]] for [[May Day]] and the [[National Day of the People's Republic of China|National Day]].

===Sun and the overseas Chinese===
Sun's notability and popularity extends beyond the [[Greater China]] region, particularly to [[Nanyang (geographical region)|Nanyang]] where a large concentration of [[overseas Chinese]] reside in [[Singapore]] and [[Malaysia]]. Sun recognised the contributions that the large number of overseas Chinese could make, beyond the sending of remittances to their ancestral homeland. He therefore made multiple visits to spread his revolutionary message to these communities around the world.

Sun made a total of eight visits to [[Singapore]] between 1900 and 1911. His first visit made on [[September 7]], [[1900]], was to rescue [[Miyazaki Toten]], an ardent Japanese supporter and friend of Sun's, who was arrested there, an act which also resulted in his own arrest and a ban from visiting the island for five years. Upon his next visit in June 1905, he met local Chinese merchants Teo Eng Hock, Tan Chor Nam and Lim Nee Soon in a meeting which was to mark the commencement of direct support from the Nanyang Chinese. Upon hearing their reports on overseas Chinese revolutionists organising themselves in [[Europe]] and [[Japan]], he urged them to establish the Singapore chapter of the [[Tongmenghui]], which came officially into being on [[6 April]] the following year upon his next visit.

[[Image:Yatsentoqingling.jpg|thumb|Sun Yat-sen's original handwriting (to his wife [[Soong Ching-ling]])]]
The chapter was housed in a [[villa]] known as [[Wan Qing Yuan]] ({{lang|zh-Hant|晚晴園}}) and donated for the use of revolutionalists by Teo. In 1906, the chapter grew in membership to 400, and in 1908, when Sun was in Singapore to escape the Qing government in the wake of the failed [[Zhennanguan Uprising]], the chapter had become the regional headquarters for Tongmenghui branches in [[Southeast Asia]]. Sun and his followers travelled from Singapore to [[British Malaya|Malaya]] and Indonesia to spread their revolutionary message, by which time the alliance already had over twenty branches with over 3,000 members around the world.

Sun's foresight in tapping on the help and resources of the overseas Chinese population was to bear fruit on his subsequent revolutionary efforts. In one particular instance, his personal plea for financial aid at the [[Penang Conference]] held on [[November 13]], [[1910]] in [[British Malaya|Malaya]], helped launch a major drive for donations across the [[Malay Peninsula]], an effort which helped finance the [[Second Guangzhou Uprising]] (also commonly known as the [[Yellow Flower Mound revolt]]) in 1911.

The role that overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia played during the 1911 Revolution was so significant that Sun himself recognized "Overseas Chinese as the Mother of the Revolution".

Today, Sun's legacy is remembered in Nanyang at Wan Qing Yuan, which has since been preserved and renamed as the [[Sun Yat Sen Nanyang Memorial Hall]], and gazetted as a [[National Monuments of Singapore|national monument]] of Singapore on [[October 28]], [[1994]].

In [[Penang]], the Penang Philomatic Union which was founded by Sun in 1908, has embarked on a heritage project to turn its premises at 65 Macalister Road into [http://www.sysmuseum-pg.com/ Dr. Sun Yat-Sen Museum.] The project is expected to complete in late 2006.

==Names==
{{main|Names of Sun Yat-sen}}

==See also==
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|align=right|[[Hanyu Pinyin]]:||Sūn Yìxiān
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|align=right|[[Wade-Giles]]:||Sun I-hsien
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|align=right|[[Min Nan|Hokkien]] [[POJ]]:||Sun Ek-sian
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|align=right|[[Hanyu Pinyin]]:||Sūn Zhōngshān
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|align=right|[[Wade-Giles]]:||Sun Chung-shan
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|align=right|[[Min Nan|Hokkien]] [[POJ]]:|| Sun Tiong-soan
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|align=right|[[Traditional Chinese]]:||{{lang|zh-Hant|孫}}
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|align=right|[[Simplified Chinese]]:||{{lang|zh-Hans|孙}}
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|align=right|Register name :||Démíng ({{lang|zh-Hant|德明}})
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|align=right|Milk name :||Dìxiàng ({{lang|zh-Hant|帝象}})
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|align=right|School name :||Wén ({{lang|zh-Hant|文}})
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|align=right|[[Chinese courtesy name#Zi|Courtesy name]] :||Zaizhi ({{lang|zh-Hant|載之}})
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== Spoken article on [[Pier Gerlofs Donia]] ==
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* [[Three Principles of the People]]
* [[History of the Republic of China]]
* [[Politics of the Republic of China]]
* [[Father of the Nation]]
* [[Sun Yat-sen Mausoleum]], in [[Nanjing]]
* [[Dr. Sun Yat-sen Museum]], in [[Hong Kong]]
* [[Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall]], in [[Taipei]]
* [[Sun Yat Sen Nanyang Memorial Hall]]
* [[Sun Yat-sen House (Nanjing)]]
* [[Zhongshan Park]]
* [[Zhongshan Memorial Middle School]]
* [[Sun Yat-sen stamps]]
* [[Sun Yat-sen University]], one of the top twenty universities in Mainland China; and [[National Sun Yat-sen University]] in Taiwan.
* [[Dr. Sun Yat-Sen Classical Chinese Garden]], in [[Vancouver]], the largest classical Chinese gardens outside of Asia
* [[Kuomintang]]
* [[Warlord era]]
* [[Whampoa Military Academy]]
* [[Communist Party of China]]
* [[Chinese Anarchism]]
* [[Chinese Nationalism]]
* [[Postage stamps and postal history of China]]
* [[Chiang Kai-shek]]


Do you perhaps have the time to create a spoken article on [[Pier Gerlofs Donia]]. To record it? This has been requested over a year ago allready and I thought it was about time for me to take some action. If you have the time for it, will you see what you can do? [[User:-The Bold Guy-|-The Bold Guy-]] ([[User talk:-The Bold Guy-|talk]]) 14:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
==References==
{{Reflist}}


==Further reading==
== SR 103 ==
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# {{cite book | first = Irma Tam | last = Soong | authorlink = Irma Tam Soong | year = 1997 | title = Sun Yat-sen's Christian Schooling in Hawai'i | publisher = The Hawaiian Journal of History, vol. 13 | location = Hawai'i}}
#Sun Yat-sen's vision for China / Martin, Bernard, 1966.
#Sun Yat-sen, Yang Chu-yun, and the early revolutionary movement in China / Hsueh, Chun-tu
#Sun Yat-sen / Bergere, Marie-Claire. c.&nbsp;1998.
#Sun Yat-sen 1866-1925 / The Millennium Biographies / Hong Kong, 1999
#Sun Yat-sen and the origins of the Chinese revolution Schiffrin, Harold Z. /1968.
#Sun Yat-sen; his life and its meaning; a critical biography. Sharman, Lyon, / 1968, c.&nbsp;1934
#{{cite web | title=Sun Yat Sen Nanyang memorial hall | url=http://www.wanqingyuan.com.sg/english/index.html | accessdate=2005-07-01}}
#{{cite web | title=Doctor Sun Yat Sen memorial hall | url=http://sun.yatsen.gov.tw/ | accessdate=2005-07-01 }}
#{{cite web | title=A detailed talk about Sun Zhongshan | language=Chinese | url=http://www.shuku.net:8080/novels/zhuanji/xsszs/xsszs01-01.html | accessmonthday=September |accessyear=2005 }}
#{{cite web | title=Japanese activist Miyazaki Toten a middleman and financier for Sun Yat-sen | url=http://www.wanqingyuan.com.sg/english/onceupon/royalists.html }}
#{{cite web | title=Toten Miyazaki bio | url=http://www.ndl.go.jp/portrait/e/datas/339.html }}
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Hi Admrboltz, I saw the note you left on the [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Utah_State_Route_103|Utah State Route 103 FAC]] and I wanted to say that I am sorry if you are feeling a bit demoralized by the process. You had the misfortune to nominate this at a time when the FAC regulars are in a raging debate over what to do with very short articles. We're currently discussing whether there might be room for a new process which would assess articles under 1000 words (see [[Wikipedia_talk:FAC#Wikipedia:Excellent_short_articles]]). Please feel free to weigh in to that conversation. [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 19:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
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:Thanks, though I think I am going to stay away from FAC for the time being. Even after I withdrew the nomination, people still are bashing my work... I feel if I were to write more about 103, it wouldn't be focused, the route isn't even a quarter of a mile long... --[[User:Admrboltz|Admrboltz]] ([[User talk:Admrboltz#top|talk]]) 19:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
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::That's the downside of FAC - you're essentially inviting others to bash your hard work. Standards are high. You've done a lot of good work so far; some of the comments can help you improve the article, and others may not. Your article falls into a grey area at FAC right now, unfortunately. [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 19:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.president.gov.tw/1_roc_intro/e_xpresident/index.html ROC Government Biography]
:::I had no issue with your oppose, I think you had the best reason to. There are ''no'' secondary sources for it. The one who asked who did the construction also works, the rest was "you can't write" or "your article sucks, its too short" or "you need a picture, cause I don't get it" or "I didn't even read it". --[[User:Admrboltz|Admrboltz]] ([[User talk:Admrboltz#top|talk]]) 19:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.sunyatsenhawaii.org Dr. Sun Yat-Sen Foundation of Hawaii] A virtual library on Dr. Sun in Hawaii including sources for six visits
== [[Randy Ruiz]] GA? ==
*Dr. Sun Yat-sen's "immigration" into the U.S. with his successfully claimed (but of course illicit) "Certificate of Hawaiian birth" [http://www.asianamericanmedia.org/separatelivesbrokendreams/sunintro1.html NARA Government documents] cf. also [http://www.sunyatsenhawaii.org/english/visits/fifth/index.html Dr. Sun Yat-sen Foundation Hawaii, 5th visit]
*[http://xml.lib.hku.hk/syshk/index.jsp Sun Yat-sen in Hong Kong] University of Hong Kong Libraries, Digital Initiatives
*[http://www.press.uillinois.edu/epub/books/chen/ch1.html Contemporary views of Sun among overseas Chinese]
*[http://www.yatsen.gov.tw/english/index.php National Dr. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall Official Website]
*[http://www.nycboe.net/OurSchools/Region9/M131/default.htm?searchType=school Dr. Sun Yat Sen Middle School 131, New York City]
*[http://www.sysmuseum-pg.com/ Dr. Sun Yat Sen Museum, Penang, Malaysia
* [http://www.homerleasite.com/Site/Welcome.html Who is Homer Lea?] Dr. Sun's best friend. He trained Chinese soldiers and prepared the frame work for the 1911 Chinese Revolution.
* [http://www.homerleasite.com/Site/Blog/287092F4-7B02-11DD-BE22-003065F3F514.html Was Yung Wing Dr. Sun's supporter?] The Red Dragon scheme reveals the truth!
* [http://www.homerleasite.com/Site/Blog/D6C44C9A-65C7-11DD-8871-003065F3F514.html Miyazaki Toten] He devoted his life and energy to the Chinese people.


Hey there. I was wondering if you could help me promote this article above to [[WP:GA]] status. I don't have much to any experience with GAs since I'm more active with DYKs, so any help would be appreciated. I previously worked on [[Randy Ruiz]] before, but never got back to it, so I might as well do so now with some help. Thanks! -- [[User:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 07:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Well, not yet. I'm not sure if it meets [[WP:GA?|good article criteria]] yet, so I was hoping if you could look over the article and tell me a what you think of it and what needs fixing. This can be done on the article's talk page if you want. Oh, and I didn't think you'd be online, but I guess you were. :) -- [[User:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 08:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
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::I don't think [[WP:BASEBALL]] has any standards for GA. The other GAs that are related to baseball don't have a statistics box, so it's probably not needed, but it is optional. Anyway, I think we should just try to make the article meet [[WP:GA?]] first if we're going to try to promote it. -- [[User:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 08:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
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:::Good idea! I'm just making a few copyedits first to the article. -- [[User:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 08:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
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Would [http://flickr.com/photos/donnunn/34947984/ this image] of [[Washington State Route 527]] be okay? It's under the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/deed.en Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.0 Generic Licence]. BTW, WA 527 is at GAN, so I need an image and fast! ~~ This page was edited by [[User:ComputerGuy890100|'''ĈĠ''']] 17:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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Revision as of 12:39, 10 October 2008

Re:SR-68

As it stands now, I would divide the "Overview" section and integrate it into the main prose. Yeah, it is better than it being in the lead but an Overview section is certainly unorthodox. However, I'm probably not the best guy to ask when it comes to this. Davemeistermoab is responsible for all three FAs that UTSH has so he'd probably have some better responses. Good luck with the FAC CL — 02:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, though I guess you can't really call me co-contributor since I haven't really done much to promote it to GA and A-classes. I'm on a sort of a wikibreak right now anyway, but if you still want I'll conom it when you put it up for FA. You should still ask Dave though, just to see what he thinks. CL — 03:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I guess so :) When you nom for FA, I'll pop by once in a while to fix the issues and I'll conom as well. Let's hope this passes - CL — 03:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey you asked me to look at SR-68. looks good, I gave you some feedback on IRC. My personal preference is to avoid "the highway passes by X then Y and then Z". I'd prefer to say, "the highway passes by Y which is notable because.... and was built in...," and not mention X and Z. IMO it makes for a better read. However, take that with a grain of salt, when I usually submit road articles for GAC or ACR or whatever, I'm constantly asked to expand the route description section, so I might be in the minority. But even if you disagree, I think you'll have a descent shot at FAC. =-) Dave (talk) 02:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Reply

{{Talkback|Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Assessment/A-Class review/Interstate 82}}
~~ ĈĠ ☺ Simple? 23:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Washington State Route 339

The article Washington State Route 339 you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Washington State Route 339 for things needed to be addressed. ~~ ĈĠ ☺ Simple? 00:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Washington State Route 339 GAR

Regarding the footnotes, that was a typo, I meant they're supposed to be after. Regarding prose, the writing is kinda choppy. And I don't understand what you mean that it's not a real road, and thus does not have a history. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On 12 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Washington State Route 339, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 14:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Tag on Metropolitan Phoenix Freeways

Hello, I was just wondering what the tag you put on the page I primarily made meant? I'm still relatively new to wikipedia, so I don't know all the ins and outs yet.

Let me know ASAP so I can fix it; this is presuming that the tag is a negative thing of course. Thanks.

Rko202 (talk) 16:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

All right, I should have them all changed and the article renominated within three days or so. Thanks for explaining.

Rko202 (talk) 16:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I finished replacing the unreliable sources today, actually. How obsessive compulsive I can be sometimes. Anyway, I'm renominating the article again for GA status. I'm awaiting a map from the task force, I put in a request two days ago.

Rko202 (talk) 03:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate this, thanks a lot.

Rko202 (talk) 03:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Legacy Parkway changes

{{talkback|Anomie|Changes to Legacy Parkway}} -- Anomie (talk • contribs) 16:21, 13 September 2008

Re:Bot request

{{Tb|Tinucherian|Bot request}} -- Tinu Cherian - 05:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to maintain the trust you have placed in me. I am honored by your trust and your support. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 02:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree to a Utah Wikipedian meeting

Thank you for your message. I agree on this initiative, please let me know. Adrian Comollo (talk) 20:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

FLC

Hey there Admrboltz. I was wondering how long FLC nominations last. I'm not familiar with the process as much as you do, so some feedback would be appreciated. Oh, and thanks for resolving some of the issues at the Mets FLC. =) Yours, RyRy (talk) 00:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! -- RyRy (talk) 00:34, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Captain Janks

I really wish I could read the list of Cpt. Janks' prank calls... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.15.87 (talk) 02:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: SR-103 PR

Finished the peer review. You do good work! Let me know when you submit the article for FAC. I'll definitely throw in my support despite it being such a short article. - Yohhans talk 02:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Haha. Yeah, I think Mitch has made some people crazy when it comes to roads. But hey, at least it's not as bad as Hurricanehink and Juliancoulton(sp) with their hurricane articles. - Yohhans talk 02:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
First you spell my name wrong, then you make fun of my hurricanes? How dare you! :P –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Hah! I've been caught. You know it's just a complement though. I find it amazing how many quality articles you guys produce. And be fair... I didn't misspell it that poorly. :-P - Yohhans talk 18:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (154/3/2). I appreciate the community's trust in me, and I will do my best to be sure it won't regret handing me the mop. I am honored by your trust and your support. Again, thank you. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Spoken article on Pier Gerlofs Donia

Do you perhaps have the time to create a spoken article on Pier Gerlofs Donia. To record it? This has been requested over a year ago allready and I thought it was about time for me to take some action. If you have the time for it, will you see what you can do? -The Bold Guy- (talk) 14:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

SR 103

Hi Admrboltz, I saw the note you left on the Utah State Route 103 FAC and I wanted to say that I am sorry if you are feeling a bit demoralized by the process. You had the misfortune to nominate this at a time when the FAC regulars are in a raging debate over what to do with very short articles. We're currently discussing whether there might be room for a new process which would assess articles under 1000 words (see Wikipedia_talk:FAC#Wikipedia:Excellent_short_articles). Please feel free to weigh in to that conversation. Karanacs (talk) 19:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, though I think I am going to stay away from FAC for the time being. Even after I withdrew the nomination, people still are bashing my work... I feel if I were to write more about 103, it wouldn't be focused, the route isn't even a quarter of a mile long... --Admrboltz (talk) 19:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
That's the downside of FAC - you're essentially inviting others to bash your hard work. Standards are high. You've done a lot of good work so far; some of the comments can help you improve the article, and others may not. Your article falls into a grey area at FAC right now, unfortunately. Karanacs (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I had no issue with your oppose, I think you had the best reason to. There are no secondary sources for it. The one who asked who did the construction also works, the rest was "you can't write" or "your article sucks, its too short" or "you need a picture, cause I don't get it" or "I didn't even read it". --Admrboltz (talk) 19:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Randy Ruiz GA?

Hey there. I was wondering if you could help me promote this article above to WP:GA status. I don't have much to any experience with GAs since I'm more active with DYKs, so any help would be appreciated. I previously worked on Randy Ruiz before, but never got back to it, so I might as well do so now with some help. Thanks! -- RyRy (talk) 07:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, not yet. I'm not sure if it meets good article criteria yet, so I was hoping if you could look over the article and tell me a what you think of it and what needs fixing. This can be done on the article's talk page if you want. Oh, and I didn't think you'd be online, but I guess you were. :) -- RyRy (talk) 08:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't think WP:BASEBALL has any standards for GA. The other GAs that are related to baseball don't have a statistics box, so it's probably not needed, but it is optional. Anyway, I think we should just try to make the article meet WP:GA? first if we're going to try to promote it. -- RyRy (talk) 08:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Good idea! I'm just making a few copyedits first to the article. -- RyRy (talk) 08:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Icrt radio taiwan.gif)

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Utah State Route 94 image

{{talkback|Davemeistermoab}} --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Davemeistermoab (talk • contribs) 03:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Image

Would this image of Washington State Route 527 be okay? It's under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.0 Generic Licence. BTW, WA 527 is at GAN, so I need an image and fast! ~~ This page was edited by ĈĠ 17:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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