User talk:Camembert

Talk page archives are here, here, here and here. If I was less lazy, I'd summarise instead. Did I say "lazy"? I meant "busy saving the world."

Queries, praise, criticism, requests, all welcomed. Rants tolerated. I might reply here, I might reply on your talk page - it depends on whether I think you'll be interested in the reply, on the direction of the wind, on how many cups of coffee I've had that day, on many other factors.

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Jaw harp

Yes you are right! Mungiga is swedish. I wrote it there and if I did something similar to Susning.nu it would be considerated as spam and immediately removed :-) If you would like the translation to swedish of any musical instrument then maybe I can help you out? Just write to me (in english of course) at my nickpage at susning.nu (use the link in the signature to get there) click "[Redigera den här sidan]" at the bottom of the page to open the editor, "[Förhandsgranska]" = Preview, "[Spara]" = Save. See this as one of the first cross wikipedia, cross nation discussions ever :-) \\ Solkoll of Susning

a super conductor

Did you see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=List_of_conductors&oldid=2167419 ;-) -- Viajero 11:01, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Heh, no, I missed that one. Do you think I should look it up in Grove and see if I can start an article ;-) --Camembert

chess variants

"Zillions Of Games" is an authoritative source. They are the ones doing the cataloguing. "Nearly 1000" was not a vague estimate. The exact present number is "958". See for yourself. Please allow my update of this number from "several hundred". --OmegaMan

I don't agree that Zillions of Games is an authoritative source - many chess variants do not have Zillions of Games versions (there's no sign of patrol chess of grid chess, for instance, or even of progressive chess, which is very popular), and many Zillions of Games games are not chess variants. --Camembert

There are only 3 possible, modern authoritative sources on chess variants. Admittedly, "Zillions Of Games" is imperfect but to exclude it as not having credibility is irresponsible. "ZOG" is ground zero to chess variant creators. Their catalog only includes those chess variants which have been implemented for the Zillions program.

The Chess Variant Pages has a larger catalog which includes many chess variants that have not (with no games from other categories). Of course, other chess variants exist which are not included in either catalog. For now, the number can remain unchanged with my consent (due to its triviality) but it is arguably much too low. --OmegaMan

I disagree with some of what you say, but if you're happy enough with the article as is, that's fine. --Camembert

arbitrators with multiple accounts

On Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee, you wrote, "I may be missing something, of course." Some of what you were missing may be found on User talk:UninvitedCompany. Cheers, Cyan 02:12, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks - it doesn't quite look like the whole story, but it's good to see what's there anyway. I think (hope) when we get on to discussing privacy and openness and so on as it will apply to the arbitration committee, all will become clear. --Camembert

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Hello. Perhaps my recent editing of gamelan will interest you. Michael Hardy 22:10, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out - I daresay Kunst knows what he's talking about, but I am going to double check my sources, because I'm sure I read somewhere that octaves were not uniformly 1200 cents (I seem to remember also seeing lists of frequency measurements such as those you quote from Kunst, though it wasn't Kunst I read). I may have been imagining it, I suppose - it's not something I've ever seriously studied. --Camembert

Update - an anon editor removed the info from the article saying "K. is now known to have fudged his data to get perfect octaves" --Camembert

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Heads up. If you have been thinking of starting an article on Einojuhani Rautavaara, now is not any worse a time than other. The news is that he ruptured an aorta and is on life support in an intensive care ward. One of course hopes that he will make a full recovery, but... -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 04:04, Jan 29, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks - I'd not heard the news. I'll see if I can put an article together tonight. --Camembert

OK, I've made a start, but there's needs to more there eventually, of course. Here's hoping he makes a recovery. --Camembert

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Please protect New Imperialism and encourage Wik to discuss his issue with my text at the appropriate talk page. Lirath Q. Pynnor

Sorry, I'm not going to get involved. This isn't in any way a reflection of my opinion on the dispute (I don't have an opinion on it, I've not looked at it), but is just because I don't have the time or inclination to look at these sorts of issues. --Camembert

Do you need to look at an edit war in order to protect it? Lirath Q. Pynnor

Doesn't matter what it looks like, I personally wouldn't protect it. That's not to say it wouldn't be right to protect it - I just don't want to get involved in these inter-personal disputes any more (and that would apply no matter who was involved, as I hope you know). Sorry. --Camembert

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Thanks for E flat correction, Camembert. I wish I could stay awake better while editing... Opus33 17:33, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)

No problem - I know the feeling :) --Camembert

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Have you heard about DHMO? It's present in more than trace amounts in most varieties of cheese sold in the US and Europe. Dihydrogen monoxide has also been detected in "black ice" on roadways, which has been linked with many fatal and near-fatal traffic accidents. [1] --Uncle Ed 21:27, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Heh - I wasn't there, I didn't see it, nothing to do with me... --Camembert

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Re pitch notation, it seems to be a MIDI/piano/thingy-esque thingy , but essentially, the first C on the keyboard is C0, then the first D, D0, and so on. Dysprosia 03:32, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Battle of Gravelines

Thanks, re: Battle of Gravelines - I am not familiar with it and didn't find enough in the test creation to make a stub out of. - Texture 20:40, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

No problem. I had a couple of books handy, so thought I may as well knock a little something together. --Camembert

Black Dyke Band

Hi, sorry to bother you but would you please consider swapping over Black Dyke Band and Black Dyke Mills Band? I don't think I can do it when the new destination already exists.

My reasoning is that Black Dyke Band is the correct name for the band and should be where the entry is; Black Dyke Mills Band is merely a previous name and though it should certainly be in as a redirect, it should not be the primary target for the entry. What do you think?

Thanks, Nevilley

Nice one, thank you very much. Nevilley 14:59, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

No problem. Would've told you I'd done it, but my connection broke straight afterwards, then somebody came to the door, then I forgot... I'm sure Black Dyke Band is the better title if that's how they're (or "it's") known now. --Camembert

168

Hi, you voted on the issue of whether 168... should be desysoped. Following this, he was temporarily desysopped. Please participate in the new vote as to whether that temporary desysopping should now be reversed until the committees can deal with it properly. Thank you. Angela. 00:45, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)

Looks like this has been sorted out now, thankfully, so I can chicken out of anything more to do with it. --Camembert

Public domain

You may be interested in the Public Domain Dedication and dedication form from Creative Commons. Also, when you upload images, if you mark them with {{msg:PD}} then everyone will know that they're PD, which is nice. Martin 18:50, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Will do, and cheers. Will look at the CC PD thing later (probably looked at it once before months ago and then forgot all about it). --Camembert

Die Drei Pintos

Thanks for correcting my addition to the Carl Maria von Weber article. I too am eager to fix the mistakes of the 1911 EB, but I guess it's not much better if I introduce brand new mistakes of my own. I had gotten the W volume of the New Grove, but when I saw how long the Weber article in it was and how long the Wikipedia article was, I realized I didn't have time to compare the two articles, so I just added that paragraph about Mahler and Hindemith off the top of my head. I will be much more careful, and allot a serious block of time the next time I try to work on a 1911 EB-sourced article. Del arte 16:20, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Don't worry about it - everyone makes mistakes, eventually they all get corrected :) (longer response on your talk apge). --Camembert

You're right. Thanks. Del arte 13:29, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)

you are

in trouble again.

just kidding, Kingturtle 00:17, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

If I ever suffer a Wikistress-induced breakdown, I'll be sending the psychiatrist's bill to you ;) --Camembert

AC votes

When you have a moment, could you vote in the matters of Plautus satire and Wik? --mav

From a fan

Your work on Lulu, not to mention other articles, including a lot of music related articles is amazing, and impressive - a veritable asset to the Wikipedia. Keep up the good work you do :) Dysprosia 02:11, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, Camembert!

So the smear campaign list is useless here. OK, but thanks for asking. Groucho Marx had put it better in the pre-Wiki interglaciation era - Should I accept being a member of a club who accepts "me" as a member ? :O) Also thank you for your balanced, commending vote. Thus spoke reason. Please rest assured I am not intimidating anyone! I cherish, want and NEED justice. I want the editing game to be fair. I want excuses from those who maintain in writing that I am a "lier". These should be addressed in writing by perpetrators of well qualified libel against a practicing medical doctor. However, they must be put in writing in front of the Wiki community - for they dishonored the spirit of truth. I don't want it for me - I am not important. Truth is. Yours, sincerely - irismeister 09:39, 2004 Mar 24 (UTC)

You got it all wrong, Martin. I disagree with Pharisees. If we REALLY follow NPOV, we MUST let ALL viewpoints compete without deleting them without reading/listening/putting them in writing as if they didn't exist. NPOV is REAL post hoc balance, not neutering and ante hoc castration (so that no mean, median an mode could possibly exist.) The golden, harmonic and time-honored MEAN can ONLY form with ALL POVs stated as such. You NEED to look in the right direction (not always in the laser "guide" aka YOUR own tubular vision), you need to listen, not to diabolize/ban/ask for "evidence" of mistreatment when this is absolutely evident to the point of catching anyone's eye. BTW - you may find it useful to read even the evidence in Wiki by running searches with "lier" and "quack". Even outside my lawyer's dossiers there is plenty for anyone to see and judge. Happy editing quand même - irismeister 08:59, 2004 Mar 24 (UTC)

More evidence for libel from a trusted party

• Admission of tort, libel and harassment [2]
  

"I admit I said that he either needed to admit he didn't mean his 2nd statement, or else admit that he had been a liar in making his original statement. My patience was wearing thin, I admit. You may judge whether I have acted wrongly."

• Aggravating, inexcusable, continuing libel [3]
  

"Irismeister is a quack and a nutcase. There! (Ah, that felt good to say!)

• BTW, the definition of libel is simple, and comes directly from the Wiki trusted, NPOV source:
  

Libel and slander are two forms of defamation (or defamation of character), which is the tort of making a false statement of fact that injures someone's reputation. When the communication is in writing, it is termed "libel". If made via the spoken word, the correct term is "slander". Both acts share a common legal history, although they may be treated differently under modern legal systems. The statement need not be derogatory in itself to be actionable, as where it constitutes invasion of privacy or portrays the person in a false light, as by calling a prominent Democrat a Republican.

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Instrument Transposition List

So I was thinking I could give you a list of instruments and their keys as found in western classical music along with a short musical snippet of the written pitch and the sounding pitch. I could email you a pdf, or tiff, or eps. The entire thing could be a graphic, or you could create numerous individual graphics of each sample and place it next to plain text. The nice thing about having a whole graphic would be that the musical symbols could be incorporated into the text with great ease - I'll leave that up to you. What say you? Ryan

I certainly think we should separate out the text and the images as much as we can. But thinking about this a bit more, I'm not sure there's a lot of value in having images to represent the transposition of every transposing instrument. Wouldn't it do to just give one or two examples in notation and then, once the reader has got the general idea, give them a list of the keys other transposing instruments play in without notation? This could likely be done as a section within transposing instrument. I may have a go at something like that myself, but I'll muse on it a bit more for now. If you want to do anything in that direction before I do, then you should go ahead, of course! If you want to send me anything in the meantime, my email address is lee (at) audiblerecords (dot) com. --Camembert

Notation

Thanks for the picture of breve notation. Is there any chance of the corresponding rest, and (if there is), the demisemiquaver rest, the hemidemisemiquaver and its rest, and perhaps some of the longer rests (although there's no article to cover them yet). Warofdreams 19:13, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yep, no problem. I'll do the breve rest now. I'm nipping off for a bit soon, but I'll look at doing those other rests later tonight. --Camembert

I've done the breve rest, the demisemiquaver rest, and the hemidemisemiquaver note and rest. I don't think there are any other gaps, but if there are, give a shout. --Camembert

Classical music

Hi cheeseboy, someone is suggesting that Classical music should be moved to "Art music", please see its Talk page. As a fat cryptofascist obsessive control freak I naturally have a view on this and I wondered if you did. I am away for a little while now so I will see what exciting developments have taken place on my return. All good wishes, Nevilley 11:22, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've chucked in my ha'pennorth. I'm now going to go and move everything around so that when you come back, you can't find anything :) --Camembert

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You are right. N. Zaslaw in his 1997 introduction to C. Hogwood 'The Symphonies' edition reports the 'Odense' authenticity as questioned (like for several other works of the years around 1770), whereas A. Greither in 1962 gives the K16a symphony as lost. Thanks! Bergonzc 08:30, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Draw by mutual agreement

Hi, please take a look at Draw by mutual agreement; I've written a couple of rules that I seem to remember being enforced but yet can't seem to find in the FIDE rules. Thanks. Arvindn 17:09, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Will do. Bit short of time just now, though - I'll have a proper look later tonight. --Camembert

OK, I checked, and I think that a lot of things fall under the "do not distract your opponent" law, 12.5. Things like the same player not offering a draw twice in a row might be codified as illegal in the rulesets of some national federations - I don't know (might be worth looking into) - but not in the FIDE laws. It's all down to the arbiter's discretion. --Camembert

irismeister

Say something unpleasant about that charming fellow - *moi*???

I had forgotten about that, actually. It wasn't helpful of me, was it? (although subsequent events make it less off-the-cuff than it seemed at the time). You have my great respect for arbitrating in that heated area! Alas, Wikipedia's exponential growth seems to be creating a super-exponential growth in heated areas. - DavidWBrooks 01:59, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Chromatic

I think I've seen both fingerings, but now that you mention it, the 3 on all black keys is possibly more prevalent. By the way, do we have any convention for storage of the .ly source files? It seems to me that we should keep them around but I know of no good mechanism for doing so. UninvitedCompany

Removing sexist words

I have been removing sexist words from several chess pages at Wikipedia. How did I do?? Do you have any feedback?? 66.245.74.77 02:32, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I'm all in favour of eliminating the sexism from those pages, but I've slightly altered some of the changes you made. In particular, I've changed things like "moving the king" to "moving their king", as there are, after all, two kings on the board. I just feel the latter reads a bit better. There was also one edit of yours which I completely reverted--this was at fifty-move rule. The "his" in that article is a direct quote from the official FIDE rules, and obviously, we have to quote them accurately, even if we might disagree with the implied sexism they contain. But on the whole, yes, I think you did OK. --Camembert

Trollkien

I have reworded my request for arbitration to take your comments into account. You may want to change your comments now as I am no longer asking you to make policy recommendations. Thank you for supporting the request to take on the case of JRR Trollkien. Angela. 01:38, Apr 10, 2004 (UTC)

Will do, and thanks for rewording :) --Camembert

Chess

Hi, I've started a discussion on which syntax(es) should be implemented for table-based chessboards. Your opinion is invited. Thanks. Arvindn 14:58, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I'll have a look. Thanks for pointing it out. --Camembert

Do you happen to have a copy of Irving Chernev's "the 52 most instructive games of chess every played"? Arvindn 07:49, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

'Fraid not. Read it though. Why? --Camembert

I was asking because that book was where I read the off-the-board happenings in Pillsbury-Gunsberg. I can't find the book right now (in fact I can't find half my chess books after a 7 year gap). I wasn't entirely sure that it was Tchigorin looking like winning his game that made Pillsbury realize he needed beat Gunsberg, or something else. Do you happen to remember? Arvindn 03:06, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I don't know off the top of my head, but I may have something about it in some other book. I'll have a look. --Camembert

Language links in "Talk"

Thank you for your information concerning my question on linking language pages to talk pages. I am still fairly new, 4 days or thereabouts, and still am learning...

I see you may be interested in chess from this page, I wrote a page about a book by Stefan Zweig "The Royal Game" and wondered if you might take a look and make any alterations...

Calexico let me know what you think! Calexico 22:56, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

By the way, I'm curious - have you chosen your user name after the band, or the place, or something else?)

Well, I like the sound of the word a lot, i love the band (saw them last saturday in London as it happens) and also it features my first name in the middle... Calexico (Talk) 14:07, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Seems about the perfect username then. Hm, Exic... unusual name... ;-) --Camembert

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I merged it first, which seemed like the right thing to do, and which would have made sense whether it had been VfD'ed or not. Are VfD'd articles considered locked for editing until the VfD matter is resolved? I believe that the best answer for most controversial articles on VfD is to merge and redirect, particularly in cases where the articles are small by themselves, as was the case in this instance. In my edits to Nerstrand, Minnesota I mention the school, which not (IMO) encyclopedic in its own right, but the mention does add to the city article.

Regarding consensus to redirect/merge, do you see VfD as a three- (or more-) way vote (keep/delete/merge), with the attendant problems in gaining any sort of consensus and clarity? Or do we vote on VfD first and redirect later? I'm not sure, and I thought by just performing the redirect/merge I could make the vote a little less polar since no material would be lost if the delete were to occur.

Finally, there are dozens, if not hundreds, of "Trinity Anglican Schools" worldwide. In fact, there's one about 10 miles from where I'm sitting that is probably more notable than the one in the article. UninvitedCompany 19:30, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No, VfDed articles are not considered locked until the matter is resolved, they can be and are edited, but if you remove the content from such an article, then it becomes much harder for people to review what's being discussed. If it's likely that the article is going to end up being redirected and merged anyway, then that's not a problem, but I don't think it's clear that that will happen here (nobody has actually suggested merging the content in this case, as far as I can see).

My view, as you probably know from the VfD page in question, is that there's nothing wrong with these schools having fully blown articles (heck, some of them have bigger populations than hundreds of US towns we've got articles on!), but that's not really the issue here - I just think that when there is disagreement about what should happen to a VfDed page, it's better not to remove content from that page so as to better enable other people to see what the fuss is about. --Camembert

Oh, I forgot - regards many schools having the same name: the way round that, I suppose, is to just disambiguate as we would any other subject. So this article would be moved to Trinity Anglican School (Cairns), the one near you would be Trinity Anglican School (wherever you are) and so on. It's not really a reason to delete/merge, in my opinion. (In the short term, seeing as we don't have many links to the page, it might be OK to just mention all the ones we know of on Trinity Anglican School.) --Camembert

Thank you for your response regarding User:Wik. While I am not sure I agree with you, I understand your point and appreciate you taking the time to answer. Danny 03:44, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

That's fine, no trouble. If it'd been a little earlier, I would have probably been more verbose, but it was four in the morning and I was dropping asleep, hence my terseness. --Camembert

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Anon reversion wars

Camembert, I'd like to bring to your attention the fact that Levzur has now begun a series of simultaneous reversion wars from anonymous proxy servers, making it very difficult for a number of editors to work on about 10 articles. I would be grateful for the Arbitration Committee's urgent attention in this matter. Details are at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/ChrisO_and_Levzur/Evidence#Anonymous_reversion_wars. -- ChrisO 11:59, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

OK, I'll have a look later tonight when I've a little more time. If what you say is correct and he's just reverting anonymously without discussion, then I think it's likely we'll end up banning him without too much fuss. Sorry for the delay in dealing with this - the Wik thing has preoccupied us a bit just recently. --Camembert

I can understand that. :-) Many thanks. -- ChrisO 19:33, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

Tristan

Hi Camembert, I like the Tristan chord. But is there a typo? Where a midi link is advertised, the link has .png. Opus33 22:49, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

<Camembert fixes problem and then replies:> By the way - if you can get it to play, can you let me know if it sounds too quick to you? Playing it in my browser, it seems fast to me (I mean, it's not very quick, but it's too quick for Tristan), but in an external player it sounds just fine. --Camembert

Interesting question--the file does sound quick to me, but is that simply because I prefer my Wagner slow and slurpy? I.e. I can't tell if I'm imparting to you a technical datum or an esthetic judgment!

Either way, I'm alarmed that a midi file produces a different tempo on different equipment--would the greater length of an .ogg file be worth it to avoid this problem? Cheers, Opus33 14:34, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Yes, "quick" is probably a bit subjective to draw any scientific conclusions from... still, as you say, if it's playing at different tempi in different players, there's something up with it. I'll hold the .ogg option in reserve, and try to fix the file so it works properly in all players. I made it with Lilypond, which I've had other MIDI problems with, but it should be possible to edit it into shape. Thanks for the response. --Camembert

Toy piano

hi camembert, i will see to it that an original photograph of a proper toy piano will be added to the wiki (toiling in the dutch wiki, i do have to add the lemma some day): a picture made by me. good that you mentioned it: the one in the article looks rather awkward to me, i am sorry to say... oscar 23:51, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Ah, excellent. I look forward to it :) --Camembert

Gerald Moore

Hi, I created a stub for Gerald Moore awhile back but couldn't find much biographical info on the web, not even his DOB. Can you dig up anything on him? TIA -- Viajero 11:34, 16 May 2004 (UTC)