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===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Geirangerfjord, Norway|Seven Sisters Waterfall, Geirangerfjord, Norway]]=== |
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| Name = John Illsley |
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| Img_capt = John playing with Dire Straits |
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| Background = non_vocal_instrumentalist |
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| Born = {{birth date and age|1949|6|24}}<br>in [[Leicester]], [[England]] |
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| Origin = [[Leicester]], [[England]] |
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| Instrument = [[Bass guitar]] |
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| Genre = [[Rock music|Rock]] |
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| Years_active = 1977-present |
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| Associated_acts = [[Dire Straits]]<br /> [[Mark Knopfler]] |
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| URL = [http://www.johnillsley.com/ JohnIllsley.com] |
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| Notable_instruments =[[Fender Jazz Bass]] |
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'''John Illsley''' (born on [[24 June]], [[1949]], in [[Leicester]], [[England]]) was the [[Bass (guitar)|bass]] player for the [[England|English]] [[rock band]] [[Dire Straits]]. Introduced to [[lead singer]] and [[guitarist]] [[Mark Knopfler]] by Mark's brother, [[David Knopfler]], Illsley was one of just two of the original band members remaining when it broke up in 1995. |
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[[Image:GeirangerfjordNorway.jpg|thumb|250px|'''Original''' - A view of the Seven Sisters Waterfall by the Geirangerfjord in Norway. This fjord is a prominent tourist attraction, an Unesco World Heritage Site and a beautiful masterpiece of Mother Nature.]] |
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John now lives in rural [[Hampshire]], with his second wife Stephanie and his four children. He owns a local pub, the "East End Arms", <ref>[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article1168623.ece?token=null&offset=12 The 50 Best Pubs Around Britain: The Times, October 11, 2003]</ref> located between Lymington and Beaulieu. Daily operation of the pub and restaurant is in the hands of Joanna Dydak. He is also a partner in two nearby hotels; The Master Builder's House Hotel<ref>[http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2004/sep/12/unitedkingdom.restandrelaxation.hotels Richard Eilers, The Observer, Sunday September 12, 2004]</ref> near Beaulieu and The George Hotel<ref>[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_199905/ai_n8838677 David Fingelton, The Spectator, May 15, 1999]</ref> on the Isle of Wight. |
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;Reason:It's an historic image of one of Norway's most prominent tourist attractions. It depicts the waterfall beautifully in their context. The image has the necessary EV in my opinion. For an historic image, it possesses a good tachnical quality. The resolution is high and I've done my best to restore it to the best of my abilities. |
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;Articles this image appears in:[[Geirangerfjord]] and [[Fjord]] |
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;Creator:Unknown, restauration by [[User:Massimo Catarinella|Massimo Catarinella]] |
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* '''Support as nominator''' --[[User:Massimo Catarinella|Massimo Catarinella]] ([[User talk:Massimo Catarinella|talk]]) 22:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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In October 2008 he released an album called [[Beautiful You (John Illsley Album)|Beautiful You]] and embarked on a tour of Ireland with singer/songwriter Greg Pearle. <ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7656541.stm BBC News, October 9th 2008]</ref> |
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* '''Question''' - What would a historic image of the waterfall have over a newer photograph? I think that if a new photograph would depict exactly the same scene, then it would likely be superior. [[User:Noodle snacks|Noodle snacks]] ([[User talk:Noodle snacks|talk]]) 23:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' Fascinating old photo, but the colors are totally unnatural (colored b/w print, hardly from an [[Autochrome]]?), and I see no real need for an imperfect old image of a subject that can be reshot today. Enc would be higher in a photo history article. --[[User:Janke|Janke]] | [[User talk:Janke|Talk]] 23:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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: The picture was taken at sunset, so it's normal the colors are a little bit warmer. As for the old photograph versus new photographs.., Wikipedia first of all doesn't have a "new" picture which is superior to this one. Second this picture draws the most attention of all current pictures of this subject available and last but not least. Why have we featured old images in the past of structures which could currently be photographed again with modern equipment (example: Castle [[Neuschwanstein]])? --[[User:Massimo Catarinella|Massimo Catarinella]] ([[User talk:Massimo Catarinella|talk]]) 23:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:: I doubt it was taken at sunset - note shadows! It's just colored to look so - note that the very same image, with different colors, is in a galler on the G-fjord page! Also, this is most probably hand-colored, so it doesn't show the real colors. --[[User:Janke|Janke]] | [[User talk:Janke|Talk]] 09:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' - Yes, we could have a modern picture as well, but an older photo, this carefully hand-tinted, helps establish that it's been a tourist attraction a very long time. [[User:Shoemaker's Holiday|Shoemaker's Holiday]] ([[User talk:Shoemaker's Holiday|talk]]) 03:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak oppose'''. I'm generally sympathetic to arguments about historical significance but in this case I would think the date, the photographer, the circumstances of photography, or something else about the historical context would be needed. As for the tinting: I know that we've had hand-tinted photographs before, but usually when something stands out about the technique. In this case we actually have [[:Image:The Seven Sisters, Geiranger Fjord, Norway.jpg|another, differently tinted version]] of the same photograph, suggesting that it was in wide circulation in the period and there's nothing all that special about this one. It definitely adds to the article and I'm glad it was uploaded, but I don't see it as a feature picture. [[User:Chick Bowen|Chick Bowen]] 04:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Reluctant oppose''' I see a lot of archival photochroms and get the same impulse. It's a beautiful medium in its own right, in spite of the technical limitations. Wikipedia has featured photochrom images of historic subjects that have changed or disappeared over time, but old landscape photography generally needs to compete against modern technology. Two examples follow. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 06:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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**BTW, this image was not "carefully hand-tinted". The tinting was mass produced lithography; hence the weaknesses at high resolution. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 08:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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***A definition of terms - a photochrom has to be hand-tinted at first, right? Even if that means you'll have to make 10 litho separation originals... --[[User:Janke|Janke]] | [[User talk:Janke|Talk]] 09:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Image:St Alexander's Church2.jpg|St. Alexander's Church, Warsaw. Destroyed in WWII and never rebuilt on the original scale |
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Image:Canyon de Chelly, Navajo.jpg|Canyon de Chelly, Arizona. A 1904 photograph that's brilliant by any standard. |
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*But the following picture is also a FP, but the building itself and its surroundings are still the same. This doesn't show much consistency in policy. As for the colors, they can be adjusted if you would like me to. --09:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Early life== |
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Illsley attended [[Bromsgrove School]], [[Worcestershire]] and a Further Education College near [[Kettering]] before starting work as a management trainee for a timber firm. He then studied [[Sociology]] at [[Goldsmiths College]], University of London and opened a record shop with his girlfriend. While in London, he roomed with friend [[David Knopfler]], and was introduced to his brother, [[Mark Knopfler]], who invited him to form a band with them. With [[Pick Withers]], the band [[Dire Straits]] was formed. |
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==Dire Straits== |
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{{main|Dire Straits}} |
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<noinclude>[[Category:Featured picture nominations]] [[Category:Featured picture nominations/October 2008]]</noinclude> |
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As well as playing [[bass guitar|bass]] on all the Dire Straits recordings, Illsley also contributed vocals to their ''[[Communiqué (album)|Communiqué]]'', ''[[Making Movies]]'' and ''[[Brothers in Arms (Dire Straits album)|Brothers in Arms]]'' albums. Illsley was the only group member (other than Mark Knopfler) who remained in the line-up of Dire Straits right through until the group's dissolution in 1995. |
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==Solo career== |
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Illsley released two albums of his own, ''Never Told A Soul'' in 1984 and ''Glass'' in 1988. His first album had clear Dire Straits influences, however, his style had notably changed by the second. Mark Knopfler contributed some of the guitar parts on both issues. His latest album [[Beautiful You (John Illsley album)|Beautiful You]], a collaboration with Greg Pearle, will be released in October 2008. |
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==Cunla== |
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In March 2005, in a pub in [[Leicestershire]], Illsley happened upon an Irish [[Celtic rock]] group called Cunla. For the first time since 1993 he took to the stage and played a couple of [[Dire Straits]] numbers with the band. |
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Cunla subsequently played at a summer party Illsley was hosting in Hampshire. He then appeared with them on several occasions, most notably on September 23th 2006 at Cathedrale d'Image in Les Baux de Provence, [[France]]. This performance was recorded and subsequently released as an album in 2007. |
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Cunla have a heady, energetic Celtic rock sound. With Illsley, they cover a couple of Dire Straits numbers, albeit in an Irish style, with Johnny Owens replacing all keyboards and brass parts with traditional Irish violin. They also have a large amount of their own material, much of it penned by Greg Pearle. |
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==Other interests== |
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Away from music, John Illsley is known for his campaigns against drugs. He also has been known to enjoy an occasional pint of Guinness. |
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==Painting== |
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Illsley is a keen painter, and promised himself that he would take it up to a greater extent once Dire Straits stopped touring. A first exhibition of his work was shown at the Nevill Keating McIlroy Gallery, Pickering Place, London SW1 in early summer 2007. |
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[[Image:John Illsley - Flat Top.jpg|thumb|left|''Flat Top'' by John Illsley]] |
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==Solo discography== |
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*1984 - ''[[Never Told A Soul]]'' |
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*1988 - ''[[Glass (album)|Glass]]'' |
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*2007 - ''[[Live in Les Baux de Provence]]'' (with Cunla and Greg Pearle) |
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*2008 - ''[[Beautiful You (John Illsley album)]]'' (with Greg Pearle) |
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==References== |
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==External links== |
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*[http://www.johnillsley.com Official website] |
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*[http://beehive.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/default.asp?WCI=SiteHome&ID=8354&PageID=95197 Interview on the Leicester Bands website] |
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*[http://www.eastendarms.co.uk East End Arms] |
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*[http://www.markknopfler.com Mark Knopfler] |
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Revision as of 09:55, 10 October 2008
Seven Sisters Waterfall, Geirangerfjord, Norway
- Reason
- It's an historic image of one of Norway's most prominent tourist attractions. It depicts the waterfall beautifully in their context. The image has the necessary EV in my opinion. For an historic image, it possesses a good tachnical quality. The resolution is high and I've done my best to restore it to the best of my abilities.
- Articles this image appears in
- Geirangerfjord and Fjord
- Creator
- Unknown, restauration by Massimo Catarinella
- Support as nominator --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 22:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- Question - What would a historic image of the waterfall have over a newer photograph? I think that if a new photograph would depict exactly the same scene, then it would likely be superior. Noodle snacks (talk) 23:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose Fascinating old photo, but the colors are totally unnatural (colored b/w print, hardly from an Autochrome?), and I see no real need for an imperfect old image of a subject that can be reshot today. Enc would be higher in a photo history article. --Janke | Talk 23:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- The picture was taken at sunset, so it's normal the colors are a little bit warmer. As for the old photograph versus new photographs.., Wikipedia first of all doesn't have a "new" picture which is superior to this one. Second this picture draws the most attention of all current pictures of this subject available and last but not least. Why have we featured old images in the past of structures which could currently be photographed again with modern equipment (example: Castle Neuschwanstein)? --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 23:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- Support - Yes, we could have a modern picture as well, but an older photo, this carefully hand-tinted, helps establish that it's been a tourist attraction a very long time. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. I'm generally sympathetic to arguments about historical significance but in this case I would think the date, the photographer, the circumstances of photography, or something else about the historical context would be needed. As for the tinting: I know that we've had hand-tinted photographs before, but usually when something stands out about the technique. In this case we actually have another, differently tinted version of the same photograph, suggesting that it was in wide circulation in the period and there's nothing all that special about this one. It definitely adds to the article and I'm glad it was uploaded, but I don't see it as a feature picture. Chick Bowen 04:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
- Reluctant oppose I see a lot of archival photochroms and get the same impulse. It's a beautiful medium in its own right, in spite of the technical limitations. Wikipedia has featured photochrom images of historic subjects that have changed or disappeared over time, but old landscape photography generally needs to compete against modern technology. Two examples follow. DurovaCharge! 06:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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St. Alexander's Church, Warsaw. Destroyed in WWII and never rebuilt on the original scale -
Canyon de Chelly, Arizona. A 1904 photograph that's brilliant by any standard.
- But the following picture is also a FP, but the building itself and its surroundings are still the same. This doesn't show much consistency in policy. As for the colors, they can be adjusted if you would like me to. --09:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
