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| species = '''''L. libanotis''''' |
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''Leptosphaeria'' <small>libanotidis (Fuckel) Niessl</small><br> |
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''Phoma rostrupii'' <small>Sacc., (1895)</small><br> |
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''Phoma sanguinolenta'' <small>Grove</small><br> |
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''Pleospora libanotis'' <small>Fuckel, (1873)</small><br> |
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==What's needed is a portal== |
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This is worst financial/economic crisis since Great Depression. At first, I was going to suggest merging this article with sub-prime mortgage crisis one, but that page is getting pretty darn big which reflects the scope of the problem. Europe is also experiencing the real estate burst as well. |
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[[User:Golgo-13|Golgo-13]] ([[User talk:Golgo-13|talk]]) 05:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:A portal would be useful, perhaps even a wikiproject. This matter, while difficult, is probably one of the most significant events of the 21st century. I'm quite disappointed with its treatment on the Main Page. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred]] [[User talk:Fred Bauder|Talk]] 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Fred, you and your friends have made a good start on this but what I miss is more geographical perspective. Much of the article is based on the evolving situation in the United States. It is not easy to find information about Europe (including individual countries), Russia, China and the rest of Asia. Would it be useful to add separate chapters on these or perhaps even links to new articles? And how would a portal cope with this rapidly evolving situation?- [[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]] ([[User talk:Ipigott|talk]]) 07:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::I think both a portal and a dedicated WikiProject are quite justified for this event. Perhaps a WikiProject first to consolidate manpower. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 22:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Hourly changes== |
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This situation is changing hourly as the crisis has come to a head. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred]] [[User talk:Fred Bauder|Talk]] 14:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== article == |
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why does this incredibly re-hashed article about the sub-prime mortgage crisis need to exist?.I think the whole situation just encompasses the crisis itself....really odd to just use such a generalized tittle too...[[User:Rodrigue|Rodrigue]] ([[User talk:Rodrigue|talk]]) 06:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:When the crisis began to affect the entire financial system, the emphasis needed to be changed to reflect that. This article is about a world wide financial crisis caused by the subprime mortgage crisis, not about the crisis itself. Detailed information about all the different sorts of mortgages, regulation of them, how and why they were securitized belongs there. What belongs here is information about the general financial crisis which resulted. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred]] [[User talk:Fred Bauder|Talk]] 12:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::What you call rehashing is a broad outline. The generalized title relates to the information that the liquidity crisis and bailout efforts to cope with it date to August 9, 2007. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred]] [[User talk:Fred Bauder|Talk]] 12:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC) |
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==Scope of the article== |
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Please see this quote, from ''The New York Times'' news analysis piece "But Will It Work?" [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/business/21econ.html?pagewanted=2]: |
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"“What we’re looking at now is simply an amplified version of what we’ve been in since last August,” Mr. Bernstein added. “You’re witnessing a sudden death instead of a slow bleed.” |
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Jared Bernstein is a senior economist at the labor-oriented Economic Policy Institute |
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[[User:Fred Bauder|Fred]] [[User talk:Fred Bauder|Talk]] 09:45, 21 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Cause == |
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:''was caused by the abolition of the [[uptick rule]] in July 2007'' |
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I removed this dubious claim; a multitude of causes have been cited for the crisis in press reports. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] ([[User talk:Beland|talk]]) 06:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC) |
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You are free to remove it but it is obvious it was the sole cause of the crisis, though I concede it is difficult to understand; furthermore arguing the media cites many causes does not negate it. |
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I concede causes have many tributaries nonetheless had the Uptick Rule not been abolished on July 6th, shorters in finance stocks would have had to uptick and could not have shorted down banking stocks. |
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see eg a press report 4 weeks after it's abolition: |
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http://www.usatoday.com/money/markets/2007-08-09-volatility_N.htm <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.129.128.81|86.129.128.81]] ([[User talk:86.129.128.81|talk]]) 00:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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LONGSHOT GEORGE:... it is my opinion that there is an unsigned article which allows new technology to become part of a-liquid-involvement at UN treasury levels - notice the liquidity of the technology market in comparrison and wonder how it can remain as confidently stable as does in markup ideologies - ths because it has weighleighed such involvements | my proof of this is UN resolution in 2005 mentions one [unicorn bias] technical to schooling importance where the rest of the resolutions become concerned with the war - either way somewhere 'mm' there is a peice of paper saying - sign this technical article towards entire treasury... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.152.174.162|86.152.174.162]] ([[User talk:86.152.174.162|talk]]) 10:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Merge proposal== |
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The proposed merger is inappropriate as the liquidity crisis surfaced in August, 2007 and has different causes and dynamics than the oil crisis and the food crisis which have been lumped together with the financial crisis in [[economic crisis of 2008]]. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred]] [[User talk:Fred Bauder|Talk]] 02:31, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' the proposed merger for now. -- [[User:Yellowdesk|Yellowdesk]] ([[User talk:Yellowdesk|talk]]) 03:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose and differentiate''' these two could be very different articles, but they need names and leads which will fully differentiate them. 2008 article may be more properly called Economic cris'''E'''s of 2008, as it refers to many crises throughout the world. There are many financially centered articles which should be better linked and given a main article (probably here). The other article can act as a broader overview of economic issues throughout the world and their many causes. The titles of both articles are likely to change as events continue and become better understood. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 03:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' From the current perspective, the subjects are different, although related, with shared causes. Each seems of significance to merit its own article. Future events may dictate differently. --[[User:Rye1967|Rye1967]] ([[User talk:Rye1967|talk]]) 11:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Stongly Oppose''' ~127k hits in Google News for the term ''Bailout''. The article easily stands on it's own. Speedy this proposal, anyone? [[User:Ronnotel|Ronnotel]] ([[User talk:Ronnotel|talk]]) 14:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Merge or, preferably, distinguish names and leads''' As per NJGW the names and leads must differentiate the articles. If not, there will be perennial calls to merge. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])/([[Special:Emailuser/davidwr|e-mail]])</small></small> 05:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''comment'''I think a merge with [[Liquidity crisis of September 2008]] is much more appropriate, since the majority of the article here is all about that month. The [[Economic crisis of 2008]] is just a way of deal with nitpickers who didn't want that article to be called the 2008 global recession. See the link below to comment on this further. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 20:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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* I agree with the above comment. It might also be helpful if each related article contains an appendix showing all related articles.--[[User:JohnnyB256|JohnnyB256]] ([[User talk:JohnnyB256|talk]]) 10:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose, qualified.''' (if I have a say, not being a registered member). My reasoning is similar to Rye1967's. While causes are diverse and somewhat separate (there are common elements which contributed to all three), the current situation draws from each, in that each is escalating the others. At this point in time all three are interacting, and none can be resolved without taking into account the dynamics of the other two. Use this as the umbrella survey article, go into more detail in the others. -Tenebris <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/207.112.27.206|207.112.27.206]] ([[User talk:207.112.27.206|talk]]) 04:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*'''Oppose''' I've just added some more info about the effect this had in China. [[User talk:Hypnosadist|<small><sup><font color="#000">(<font color="#c20">Hypnosadist</font>)</font></sup></small>]] 11:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Merge proposal2 == |
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A discussion about this is already underway at [[Talk:Liquidity crisis of September 2008#Merger with Financial crisis of 2007-2008]]. Please discuss there. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 19:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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(moved comment to the discussion linked to above to keep the discussion in one place) |
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== Proposal to remove the merge proposal templates == |
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{{resolved|Merge with [[Economic_crisis_of_2008]] - tag is gone; merge with [[Global financial crisis of September–October 2008]] (was Liquidity crisis of September 2008) - tag is also gone. So I have now struck through my proposal below. [[User:84user|84user]] ([[User talk:84user|talk]]) 08:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)}}<strike>If there is no evident consensus for a merge, could the two templates be removed from the articles? The last comment was an oppose on 4 October for the first proposal, and a comment on 28 September for the second here which directs to [[Talk:Liquidity crisis of September 2008#Merger with Financial crisis of 2007-2008]] where the decision might be to just wait. I agree with the just wait opinion (for months or years). The [[Economic crisis of 2008]] appears to cover the economy (or at least should due to its title) while this one appears to list fiscal and monetary events, and also appears to have better worldwide coverage. If they are not to be merged, I agree the leads in both articles need to better clarify the difference. But, I'm not an expert on any of these subjects, so what do others think? -[[User:84user|84user]] ([[User talk:84user|talk]]) 21:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)</strike> <small>(I struck through my proposal above, as resolved IMO) [[User:84user|84user]] ([[User talk:84user|talk]]) 08:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)</small> |
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==Possible background cause== |
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[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/business/03sec.html Agency’s ’04 Rule Let Banks Pile Up New Debt] [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred]] [[User talk:Fred Bauder|Talk]] 20:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:A couple more for those interested: [http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html Factcheck.org] and [http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10413 Globalresearch.ca]. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 08:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Also [http://www.breakingviews.com/bvBooks.aspx Breaking Views]. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred]] [[User talk:Fred Bauder|Talk]] 13:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Should some mention be made of Warren Buffett's interview with Charlie Rose in which he said a Depression is possible? [http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/10/01/1/an-exclusive-conversation-with-warren-buffett]--[[User:JohnnyB256|JohnnyB256]] ([[User talk:JohnnyB256|talk]]) 13:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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'''Leptosphaeria libanotis''' is a plant pathogen found mainly in Europe. |
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==Lead paragraph== |
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Forgive a newbie spouting off, but I'm wondering if perhaps the lead paragraph should be written differently. It begins by giving background, which is good but I think it belongs elsewhere. Perhaps the beginning should describe a bit more what this crisis is and what it has done. Does that make sense?--[[User:JohnnyB256|JohnnyB256]] ([[User talk:JohnnyB256|talk]]) 13:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== External links == |
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==Huge sections of this article were deleted== |
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* [http://www.speciesfungorum.org/Names/Names.asp Index Fungorum]<br> |
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Huge sections of this article were deleted. Was it vandalism? I thought the vote for merger was opposed and lost? |
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* [http://nt.ars-grin.gov/fungaldatabases USDA ARS Fungal Database] |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Financial_crisis_of_2007-2008&diff=244134928&oldid=244121405 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.131.4.194|71.131.4.194]] ([[User talk:71.131.4.194|talk]]) 15:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==References== |
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:Yes, no, and yes (I think). The sections "Federal Reserve actions to lower interest rates and stimulate the economy" through to "Week of October 5, 2008" (with the detailed week by week events) were moved from [[Financial crisis of 2007-2008]] to [[Global financial crisis of September-October, 2008]] (used to be [[Liquidity crisis of September 2008]].) These were the two edits that made the move: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Financial_crisis_of_2007-2008&diff=244130657&oldid=244130299 diff1] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_financial_crisis_of_September-October,_2008&diff=prev&oldid=244131057 diff2]. The move looks Ok in that nothing was lost. See also [[Talk:Global financial crisis of September-October, 2008#Merger with Financial crisis of 2007-2008]]. -[[User:84user|84user]] ([[User talk:84user|talk]]) 19:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC) <small>I fixed last section moved. [[User:84user|84user]] ([[User talk:84user|talk]]) 19:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)</small> |
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[[Category:Plant pathogens and diseases]] |
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== Glad I came here == |
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[[Category:Pleosporales]] |
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Wow, I need to redirect [[Great Depression of 2008-2009]]. Another editor is trying to work on the same project, and you guys are much more along than he is. -- [[User:Crazysane|Matthew Glennon]] (<sup>[[User_Talk:Crazysane|T]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Crazysane|C]]</sub>\<sup>[[Special:DeletedContributions/Crazysane|D]]</sup>) 14:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:*I redirected said article here. It was dead in the water, and you have a lot of work done already. Great job, this is really how we need to cover the subject anyway. -- [[User:Crazysane|Matthew Glennon]] (<sup>[[User_Talk:Crazysane|T]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Crazysane|C]]</sub>\<sup>[[Special:DeletedContributions/Crazysane|D]]</sup>) 14:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Wow, talk about needless fear mongering! Great depression of 2008-2009? [[User:LowLevelMason|LowLevelMason]] ([[User talk:LowLevelMason|talk]]) 21:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Fear mongering? Maybe... [[wp:AFG|maybe not]] [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122364752973823003.html?mod=googlenews_wsj], but more importantly it is definitely [[wp:CRYSTAL|commentary requiring a time machine]]. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 21:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Leptosphaeria libanotis is a plant pathogen found mainly in Europe.
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