Quia vir reprobus

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With the papal bull Quia vir reprobus of November 16, 1329 the dispute between Pope John XXII. and the Franciscans continued. Now it was less about the Franciscan concept of poverty than about a personified power struggle between the Pope, the King and the superior of the order.

Poverty struggle

After the bull Quia quorundam of November 10, 1324 and his flight from Avignon , the Franciscan order general Michael von Cesena replied to the Pope with a pamphlet that he had written with his colleagues. He declared the Pope a heretic and supported the declaration of deposition that had been proclaimed by King Ludwig the Bavarian in Pisa .

Now again John XXII answered. with this bull and warns all true believers against dealing with these apostates. Michael of Cesena then published the Pisa Declaration (Appelatio maior and minor) and fully defended the Franciscans' view of poverty against the papal interpretations of rules.

Key question

John XXII. went back to the core question of poverty, which read: Did Christ and the apostles have property or were they without property and could the Franciscans derive their right to evangelical poverty from this? In the bull, with the help of a widespread doctrine based on Augustine , he proves that Jesus must have had property in worldly goods, since after all, according to divine law, everything belongs to the righteous.

At the end of the poverty dispute

With this last bull on the poverty dispute, the dispute with the representatives of evangelical poverty ended. At the General Chapter of the Franciscans held in Paris in 1329 , after several superiors had been deposed and replaced, Gerald Eudes was elected Minister General of the Order. Eudes was a personal friend of the Pope and one of the conventional members of the order.

Individual notes

  1. ^ Ernst-Wolfgang Böckenförde: History of Legal and State Philosophy , § 12 William von Ockham ( online in the Google book search)

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