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'''El Con Mall''' is an enclosed [[shopping mall]] in the city of [[Tucson, Arizona]], [[United States]]. Originally opened in 1960 as an outdoor shopping center, it is currently the oldest shopping mall in the Tucson area.<ref name="oldest">{{cite web |url=http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Currents/Content?oid=96494 |title=Signs of Life: Could burgers and cheap clothes be El Con's salvation? |accessdate=2007-11-20 |last=Hart |first=Kelli |date=2007-05-24 |work=Tucson Weekly}}</ref> It features [[J. C. Penney]], [[Ross Dress For Less]], [[Target Corporation|Target]] and [[The Home Depot]] as its [[anchor stores]]. Two additional anchor stores, last occupied by [[Dillard's]] and [[Macy's]], have been vacant since 1999 and early 2008, respectively.<ref name="citizen">{{cite web |url=http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/related/67338.php |title=Macy's confirms it will leave El Con Mall |accessdate=2007-11-19 |last=Poole |first=B. |date=2007-10-31 |work=Tucson Citizen}}</ref><ref name="wild"/>


El Con Mall is classified as a [[dead mall]], due to the fact that it is largely vacant. Besides the mall's anchor stores, only a multiplex movie theater and six other stores remain open,<ref name="deserted"/> although several restaurants have opened on the periphery in the past five years.<ref name="oldest"/> Because of the center's low occupancy rate, it is slated to be demolished and reverted to an open-air complex, although no official announcement has been made on the mall's redevelopment.<ref name="deserted"/>
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==History==
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El Con Mall opened in 1960, adjacent to a hotel known as the El Conquistador Hotel.<ref name="smith">{{cite web |url=http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/opinion/67576.php |title=Smith : When El Con (the hotel) was mighty |accessdate=2007-11-19 |last=Smith |first=Jeff |date=2007-11-02 |work=Tucson Citizen}}</ref> Although initial plans called for the hotel to be part of the mall itself, these plans were later scrapped.<ref name="deserted">{{cite web |url=http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/202609 |title=Deserted core of El Con Mall may be razed |accessdate=2007-11-19 |last=Poole |first=B. |date=2007-09-23 |work=Arizona Daily Star}}</ref><ref name="smith"/> An outdoor mall at the time of its opening, El Con Mall featured seven anchor stores: national chains [[J. C. Penney]], [[Montgomery Ward]], and [[F.W. Woolworth Company|Woolworth]], along with local chain [[Steinfeld's]].<ref name="needs">{{cite web |url=http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/202807 |title=El Con Mall needs to return to its roots |accessdate=2007-11-19 |last= |first= |date=2007-09-25 |work=Arizona Daily Star}}</ref> In 1967, the former El Conquistador Hotel space was demolished, and a [[Levy's (department store)|Levy's]] was built on its site. The mall was eventually enclosed in the next year. Joseph Kivel, developer of El Con Mall, later opened another shopping mall, [[Park Place (Tucson, Arizona)|Park Place]], in 1975. After his death in 1995, both malls were sold to his nephews, and their wives (Janice, and Alvin Kivel, Betty Jean, and Victor Kivel, and Beverley, and Daniel Kivel). In 1978 a [[Goldwater's]] opened.
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Steinfeld's closed, and was demolished in the late 1970s. Levy's (which was owned by Federated Department Stores) became [[Sanger-Harris]] in 1985,<ref name="smith"/> marking the first of several name changes in the mall's western anchor store. Sanger-Harris became [[Foley's]] in 1987, and Robinsons-May in 1993. Goldwater's, in turn, became [[Dillard's]] in 1989. In 1993 Woolworth's closed.


==Renovations==
El Con Mall is still owned by the heirs of its original developer, Joseph Kivel. Following the elder Kivel's demise in 1996, his descendants began renovations on the mall.<ref name="deserted"/> A multiplex movie theater and [[food court]] were both added behind J. C. Penney, although no restaurants were ever opened in the food court.<ref name="deserted"/> Additional plans promised "a unique variety of retail stores", but competition from larger malls, most notably Park Place, caused El Con to lose more stores than it gained.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/news/central_tucson/ctt_el_con |title=El Gone Mall |accessdate=2007-11-20 |last=Denogean |first=Anne T. |date=2005-11-10 |work=Tucson Citizen}}</ref> Among the stores to move to Park Place was the Dillard's anchor store, which did so in 1999;<ref name="wild">{{cite web |url=http://media.wildcat.arizona.edu/media/storage/paper997/news/2008/01/24/Wildlife/Ghost.Of.A.Mall-3166370.shtml |title=Ghost of a Mall |accessdate=2008-03-27 |last=Dillingham |first=Justyn |date=2008-01-24 |work=The Arizona Daily Wildcat}}</ref> as of 2008, the former Dillard's at El Con is still vacant.


In 2000, Montgomery Ward closed along with the company's bankruptcy and subsequent closure. The Home Depot and Target were built on the east side of the mall, with the latter replacing Montgomery Ward. The addition of these stores was considered controversial by local residents, many of whom did not want such [[big box]] retailers in the area.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Currents/Content?oid=42126 |title=Walkout On Walkup |accessdate=2007-11-19 |last=Huff |first=Dan |date=2000-01-27 |work=Tucson Weekly.com}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tw/02-18-99/curr1.htm |title=El Con's Owners Pushed Their Neighbors Too Hard, And Tucson's City Council Punched 'Em Back. |accessdate=2007-11-20 |last=Franzi |first=Emil |date=1999-02-24 |work=Tucson Weekly}}</ref> (Neither Target nor The Home Depot is directly accessible from within the mall itself,<ref name="wild"/> as the eastern wing dead-ends in a blank wall next to the Target store.)
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Although many retailers and restaurants opened on the mall's periphery in the 2000s, the enclosed mall itself continued to lose tenants.<ref name="wild"/> In 2005, [[May Department Stores]] (then owners of the Robinsons-May name) was acquired by [[Macy's, Inc.]], and most May Department Stores nameplates were converted to the Macy's name. The Macy's store in El Con Mall was deemed unprofitable, and was closed in 2008 <ref name="citizen"/> shortly after the addition of a [[Ross Dress For Less]] store in the Macy's wing. Later in 2008, it was announced that [[Wal-Mart]] might move into the former Macy's, although said plans have not been confirmed.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/84564.php |title=Wal-Mart mum on El Con move |accessdate=2008-10-12 |last=Vitu |first=Teya |date=2008-05-07 |work=Tuscon Citizen}}</ref>
Martha Erin/[[User:Marthaerin1888|Marthaerin1888]] ([[User talk:Marthaerin1888#top|talk]]) 09:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


==References==
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Resigning Indefinite but will Return because the Pressure Here is Becoming too Intense to Handle, too Scared to Complain, Certain Others not Treating Me with Courtesy and Respect.
Other accounts: [[User talk:Marthaerin1812|Marthaerin1812]], [[User talk:Tropicalstormshirley|Tropicalstormshirley]]. Please have these accounts-and this-safeguarded while I'm away.


==External links==
Martha Erin/[[User:Marthaerin1888|Marthaerin1888]] ([[User talk:Marthaerin1888#top|talk]]) 01:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.shopelcon.com/ El Con Mall]


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I have filed a page protection request with an expiration date of Jan 1, 2011. If you do decide to come back before then, please do so with another account and either file for unprotection here or make that your only account. <font color="amaranth">[[User:NuclearWarfare|NuclearWarfare]]</font>''''' <sup><font color="green">[[User talk:NuclearWarfare|contact me]]</font></sup>'''''<sub><font color="purple">[[Special:Contributions/NuclearWarfare|My work]]</font></sub> 01:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

:The request has been declined so that you can more easily request unblocking on your return without having to continue using sockpuppets (which was the reason you were blocked in the first place). For more information, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&oldid=241047105#User_talk:Marthaerin1888_.28edit.7Cuser_page.7Chistory.7Clinks.7Cwatch.7Clogs.29 here] [[User:Hersfold|'''''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em>''''']] <sup>([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]])</sup> 02:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

'''BTW, Marthaerin is feminine, not male.''' (My gender's a ''she'')

===Martha Erin (Her Confession)===

Final Messages until after September 2009:

These other Wikipedia accounts were created on behalf of partners of mine attending the University of Wisconsin from UW-Lacrosse-I really created these Wikipedia accounts for my friends to use along with me, because the University Computers may be misused or get blocked, affecting many students. AND there's always college based performance and work from the UW-Lacrosse (another reason)-I began attending Lacrosse, Summer 2008. I own Marthaerin1888, Marthaerin1812. These 23 other accounts are created courtesy of partners' behalves-we share these accounts and we like to edit as positive and contribute to Wikipedia as possible. BTW, my companions share my computer.

I apologize things didn't represent right. But upon return can you set me correct after my restart to Wikipedia (people think I am not in good standing under the Wikipedia Community)?

One last question-shared accounts usually get blocked, so could people editing under behalves of partners. Any alternative to that?

Martha Erin (Her Confession)/[[User:Marthaerin1888|Marthaerin1888]] ([[User talk:Marthaerin1888#top|talk]]) 00:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

:I'm sorry, accounts that are controlled by more than one person are not permitted without the prior approval of the Wikimedia Foundation. The main reason for this is that under the terms of the GFDL, all edits made must be attributed to whoever made them. If there is more than one person with the account, it's impossible to accurately attribute those edits. There are other concerns of security, etc. As for editing on behalf of others, that is what we consider [[WP:MEAT|meatpuppetry]] which is also not permitted, as it is considered disruptive.
:When you return to the site, you are welcome to request to be unblocked by adding the template {{tlp|unblock|your reason}} <!-- without tlp| --> below. Please make this request on one account only, that being the account you wish to edit from. This is not a guarantee you will be unblocked, however, if you demonstrate that you understand the reason for your block, that you understand our policies, and that you are willing to make good, useful contributions to the site, your chances will be much improved. [[User:Hersfold|'''''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em>''''']] <sup>([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]])</sup> 01:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

===Sister Account===
Biological sister Linda was using from my computer. Her account is [[User talk:MDCCCXLVIII|MDCCCXLVIII]], these Roman Numerals in honor for Wisconsin histories ''and'' about University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Something very urgent happened when Linda-who shared the computer under which I represent Wikipedia editing-discovered she was totally unable to revamp her talkpage; partners Shirley Ann of [[User talk:Tropicalstormshirley|Tropical Storm Shirley]] was notified and worried about it, alongside I.

Shirley Ann, Linda and I looked into the very issue, and we discovered [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MDCCCXLVIII&diff=next&oldid=232711783 some admin had cut my very sister, Linda, from her ability to write on her own talkpages.] It was worse when we saw that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TimVickers&diff=prev&oldid=232711445 some Wikipedia editor had put rumor on an admins talkpage, telling the admin that my sister might have used her own talk pages for a '''"soapbox"'''] but did not really specify how-this was at 913 am Minneapolis Time-and this man or woman might have looked at Linda's pages without her really knowing until afterwards. But this was 913 am Minneapolis Time Sunday 8-17-08 (August 17 2008).

[[User: Delicious carbuncle|The person who reported Linda]] to [[User:TimVickers|an admin]] is the same one that called these edits '''"soapbox edits"'''

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MDCCCXLVIII&diff=prev&oldid=232385625 For starters, this].

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MDCCCXLVIII&&diff=prev&oldid=232563747 Secondly].

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MDCCCXLVIII&diff=prev&oldid=232583585 And thirdly].

How could that be any '''soapbox'''? My sweet sister was the one writing these edits-she wrote them out of depression on the fact that she had been blocked indefinitely. Whatever could Linda do rather than creating these edits due to depression caused through somebody blocking her account with no explanations? Please, tell me.

[[User talk:Marthaerin1888|Martha Erin at 1849 pm in the Wisconsin Time]] at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse Campus/[[User:Marthaerin1888|Marthaerin1888]] ([[User talk:Marthaerin1888#top|talk]]) 23:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== How to Avoid Sockpuppet Suspicion Problem ==

{{tnull|helpme|Luna Santin}}
Upon returning to Wikipedia in 2010 or 2011 (earliest return)/2017 (latest), should I never let my friends use my computer to edit Wikipedia again? I did not realize that to let other partners use my service to edit Wikipedia was a major no-way rules violation and would lead to suspicion.

Also, upon returning I wanna use '''Marthaerin1812''' as my permanent account under Wikipedia-that account and '''Marthaerin1888''' (this one) are labeled after me, Martha Erin. Can you please blank '''Marthaerin1812''' and safeguard the talkpage of that region until my eventual return to editing Wikipedia positively?

But most importantly, upon my returning, please forgive me for my mistaken actions whenever I return.

Mistakes: creating shared accounts or editing on behalf of friends/one another (meat puppet). Please understand how dumb I was to try that (using my partners to help me out while editing Wikipedia and editing behalves of one another).

It's really complicated to get through Wikipedia into an advanced position-my edits begin during July and I happen being an amatuer editor for Wikipedia.

[[User:Marthaerin1888|Martha Erin]]([[User talk:Marthaerin1888#top|talk]]) 10:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC) (University of Wisconsin La Crosse Student, graduates in 2012, although could extend that)

513 am Minneapolis Time Saturday Oct 04 2008/[[User:Marthaerin1888|Marthaerin1888]] ([[User talk:Marthaerin1888#top|talk]]) 10:17, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

:You're talking about returning in three to nine years. I suggest you deal with these issues upon your return. Until then, I invite you to take joy and pleasure in the world beyond your computer screen. Cheers. [[User:PrinceOfCanada|Prince of Canada]]<sup>[[User talk:PrinceOfCanada#top| t]] | [[Special:Contributions/PrinceOfCanada|c]]</sup> 10:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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El Con Center
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LocationTucson, Arizona, USA
Opening date1960
DeveloperJoseph Kivel
No. of stores and services10
No. of anchor tenants4
Total retail floor area1,200,000 square feet (110,000 m2) (GLA)[1]
No. of floors1
Websitehttp://www.shopelcon.com/

El Con Mall is an enclosed shopping mall in the city of Tucson, Arizona, United States. Originally opened in 1960 as an outdoor shopping center, it is currently the oldest shopping mall in the Tucson area.[2] It features J. C. Penney, Ross Dress For Less, Target and The Home Depot as its anchor stores. Two additional anchor stores, last occupied by Dillard's and Macy's, have been vacant since 1999 and early 2008, respectively.[3][4]

El Con Mall is classified as a dead mall, due to the fact that it is largely vacant. Besides the mall's anchor stores, only a multiplex movie theater and six other stores remain open,[5] although several restaurants have opened on the periphery in the past five years.[2] Because of the center's low occupancy rate, it is slated to be demolished and reverted to an open-air complex, although no official announcement has been made on the mall's redevelopment.[5]

History

El Con Mall opened in 1960, adjacent to a hotel known as the El Conquistador Hotel.[6] Although initial plans called for the hotel to be part of the mall itself, these plans were later scrapped.[5][6] An outdoor mall at the time of its opening, El Con Mall featured seven anchor stores: national chains J. C. Penney, Montgomery Ward, and Woolworth, along with local chain Steinfeld's.[7] In 1967, the former El Conquistador Hotel space was demolished, and a Levy's was built on its site. The mall was eventually enclosed in the next year. Joseph Kivel, developer of El Con Mall, later opened another shopping mall, Park Place, in 1975. After his death in 1995, both malls were sold to his nephews, and their wives (Janice, and Alvin Kivel, Betty Jean, and Victor Kivel, and Beverley, and Daniel Kivel). In 1978 a Goldwater's opened.

Steinfeld's closed, and was demolished in the late 1970s. Levy's (which was owned by Federated Department Stores) became Sanger-Harris in 1985,[6] marking the first of several name changes in the mall's western anchor store. Sanger-Harris became Foley's in 1987, and Robinsons-May in 1993. Goldwater's, in turn, became Dillard's in 1989. In 1993 Woolworth's closed.

Renovations

El Con Mall is still owned by the heirs of its original developer, Joseph Kivel. Following the elder Kivel's demise in 1996, his descendants began renovations on the mall.[5] A multiplex movie theater and food court were both added behind J. C. Penney, although no restaurants were ever opened in the food court.[5] Additional plans promised "a unique variety of retail stores", but competition from larger malls, most notably Park Place, caused El Con to lose more stores than it gained.[8] Among the stores to move to Park Place was the Dillard's anchor store, which did so in 1999;[4] as of 2008, the former Dillard's at El Con is still vacant.

In 2000, Montgomery Ward closed along with the company's bankruptcy and subsequent closure. The Home Depot and Target were built on the east side of the mall, with the latter replacing Montgomery Ward. The addition of these stores was considered controversial by local residents, many of whom did not want such big box retailers in the area.[9][10] (Neither Target nor The Home Depot is directly accessible from within the mall itself,[4] as the eastern wing dead-ends in a blank wall next to the Target store.)

Although many retailers and restaurants opened on the mall's periphery in the 2000s, the enclosed mall itself continued to lose tenants.[4] In 2005, May Department Stores (then owners of the Robinsons-May name) was acquired by Macy's, Inc., and most May Department Stores nameplates were converted to the Macy's name. The Macy's store in El Con Mall was deemed unprofitable, and was closed in 2008 [3] shortly after the addition of a Ross Dress For Less store in the Macy's wing. Later in 2008, it was announced that Wal-Mart might move into the former Macy's, although said plans have not been confirmed.[11]

References

  1. ^ International Council of Shopping Centers: El Con Mall, accessed February 18, 2007
  2. ^ a b Hart, Kelli (2007-05-24). "Signs of Life: Could burgers and cheap clothes be El Con's salvation?". Tucson Weekly. Retrieved 2007-11-20.
  3. ^ a b Poole, B. (2007-10-31). "Macy's confirms it will leave El Con Mall". Tucson Citizen. Retrieved 2007-11-19.
  4. ^ a b c d Dillingham, Justyn (2008-01-24). "Ghost of a Mall". The Arizona Daily Wildcat. Retrieved 2008-03-27.
  5. ^ a b c d e Poole, B. (2007-09-23). "Deserted core of El Con Mall may be razed". Arizona Daily Star. Retrieved 2007-11-19.
  6. ^ a b c Smith, Jeff (2007-11-02). "Smith : When El Con (the hotel) was mighty". Tucson Citizen. Retrieved 2007-11-19.
  7. ^ "El Con Mall needs to return to its roots". Arizona Daily Star. 2007-09-25. Retrieved 2007-11-19.
  8. ^ Denogean, Anne T. (2005-11-10). "El Gone Mall". Tucson Citizen. Retrieved 2007-11-20.
  9. ^ Huff, Dan (2000-01-27). "Walkout On Walkup". Tucson Weekly.com. Retrieved 2007-11-19.
  10. ^ Franzi, Emil (1999-02-24). "El Con's Owners Pushed Their Neighbors Too Hard, And Tucson's City Council Punched 'Em Back". Tucson Weekly. Retrieved 2007-11-20.
  11. ^ Vitu, Teya (2008-05-07). "Wal-Mart mum on El Con move". Tuscon Citizen. Retrieved 2008-10-12.

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