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can I use Java applets in Wiki? Similar to http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/MSet/MJintro.htm Evgeny
{{Infobox Mountain
| Name = Großer Beerberg
| Photo = Grosser_Beerberg.jpg
| Caption = view of Großer Beerberg from the south; <br/>in the foreground is [[Suhl]]-Goldlauter
| Elevation = {{convert|982|m|ft|0|lk=on}}
| Prominence =
| Location = [[Thuringia]], [[Germany]]
| Range = [[Thuringian Forest]]
| Coordinates = {{coord|50|39|34|N|10|44|46|E |type:mountain_region:DE-TH |display=inline,title}}
| Topographic map =
| Type = |Age =
| First ascent =
| Easiest route =
| Listing =
| Pronunciation = ˈɡʁosɐ ˈbeːɐ̯bɛɐ̯k
}}


'''Großer Beerberg''' is a [[mountain]] located in the [[Thuringian Forest]], [[Germany]].
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It is the highest point in [[Thuringia]].
Is your jpg really smaller than my png? [[Ericd]]
The nearest town is [[Suhl]], in [[Ilm-Kreis]].


Between Beerberg's summit and that of its eastern neighbor, [[Schneekopf]] (978&nbsp;m), the second highest mountain of Thuringia, is a 60&nbsp;m deep [[mountain pass|col]].
:<i>Not by much, surprizingly, but enough that old modem users would still prefer it. It's almost always the case, though, that PNG is not efficient for photographic images--and wasn't intended to be. I'm the person who invented the adaptive-prefiltering compression technique that PNG uses, and it was optimized for iconic drawings (altough we tried to make sure it wasn't too bad for photos either). JPEG is almost always the best format for photographs.</i>
To the west is [[Sommerbachskopf]] (941&nbsp;m).


On the summit of Beerberg is one of the few [[moorland]]s of the Thüringer Wald.
My picture was 64 gray levels to optimize size I believed ther will be no reel difference.
Until the end of the 1980s there was an observation tower on the mountain.
A few years ago a small platform was again established below the summit at ''Plänckners Aussicht'', which offers an outstanding view to the south and southwest.


The section of the [[Rennsteig]] walkway between [[Oberhof, Germany|Oberhof]] and [[Schmücke]] runs across the mountain.
:<i>That's why the saving wasn't as dramatic, then. But it still went from over 40k down to 16k, and that's not insignificant.</i>


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[[Image:Pless-Adlersberg-Beerberg-Eisenberg-Schneekopf-Finsterberg-Hundskopf.jpg|thumb|left|600px|center|View of the highest mountains of the Thüringer Wald, from [[Simmersberg]] (781&nbsp;m):
Lee - what do we do when people are obviously ignoring our image use policy and not responding to requests for copyright information? --[[User:Maveric149|mav]]
<br/> [[Adlersberg]] (849&nbsp;m) with [[Neuhäuser Hügel]] (891&nbsp;m), '''Großer Beerberg''' (partly obscured, 982&nbsp;m), [[Wildekopf]] (943&nbsp;m), [[Großer Eisenberg]] (907&nbsp;m), [[Schneekopf]] (978&nbsp;m), [[Großer Finsterberg]] (944&nbsp;m) and [[Kleiner Finsterberg]] (875&nbsp;m);
in the foreground, Kalter Staudenkopf (768&nbsp;m), [[Schmiedswiesenkopf]] (784&nbsp;m) and [[Hohe Warth]] (718&nbsp;m);
in the left background is [[Pleß (Thuringia)|Pleß]] (645&nbsp;m), 52&nbsp;km away in the [[Rhön Mountains]].]]


[[Image:Beerberg und Schneekopf vom Finsterberg aus.jpg|thumb|300px|The three highest mountains of the Thüringer Wald:
:<i>I haven't seen any major problems yet, but if you can't figure out any way to reach someone, deleting an image or two usually gets their attention. BTW, it's quite likely that unknown uploaders are Polish/German/French wikipedians (I found Aioneko at fr, for example) so that might be another place to look. Who are you worried about?</i> -- Lee
View from [[Finsterberg]] (third-highest, 944&nbsp;m) of '''Großer Beerberg''' (left, 982&nbsp;m) and [[Schneekopf]] (second highest, right); (note tower on Schneekopf)]]


== See also ==
[[user:Dwhitney]] just uploaded an image of a engine block with no copyright info that looks like it is a scan from a cars manual. [[user:Isis]] is uploading many images -- none of which seem to have copyright info (including videotape covers). I'm also wary about the overuse of fair use -- our previous image use policy was to ''only'' accept public domain images and those covered by an acceptable open content license. This allowed somebody to copy the text and the article by using similar licenses. Now we have sound clips. If anything we need to have a very clear statement that the ''text'' of Wikipedia is covered by the GNU FDL but any images or other files may be owned by others who have not placed their work under an open content license. We are probably OK because we are using this stuff for educational purposes -- but others copying our material and trying to abide by our license may want to sell this stuff. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]]
* [[List of mountains in Thuringia]]


== External links ==
:<i>Dwhitney was only a few ours ago. I just contacted him (he has a valid e=mail address), so give him some time to respond. Isis is a special case. She has a valid e-mail address as well, and has been very cooperative when contacted (Jimbo and I have been talking to her about helping form the non-profit). She is also a lawyer with IP experience, so she knows what she's talking about. I agree that we would certainly prefer images in the PD or licensed under appropriate terms rather than ones used under "fair use"--as you say, it means that people copying Wikipedia articles won't necessarily be able to copy the images that accompany them unless they too follow fair use guidelines, whereas our text has no such restrictions. Most of Kay's stuff is old enough to have fallen out of copyright, but obviously the videotape covers and such haven't.</i>
* [http://peakbagger.com/peak.aspx?pid=9667 PeakBagger.com: Beerberg]


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:<i>I think the "fair use" material is so valuable to some of the articles, though, that it would be a shame to get rid of it, so I think you're right that a stronger statement should be made on the copyright pages that only our text is covered by the GFDL, and images might have different terms. I just can't imagine any reasonable coverage of the [[The Beatles (album)|white album]], for example, without letting readers hear the amazing diversity of arrangements and subjects for themselves.</i>
[[Category:Mountains of Germany]]
[[Category:Geography of Thuringia]]


[[de:Großer Beerberg]]
:<i>In a way, including such material actually helps our cause a bit: for example, we would like for other non-profit educational sites to use our material. They would have an equal fair use claim to us, so they could take our material in toto. But a for-profit site that we might not want to use our material might not qualify for the same fair use exception, and so could only use our text.</i>


:<i>In any case, I think you're right that a more detailed statement is needed, probably both on [[wikipedia:copyrights]] and [[wikipedia:image use policy]].</i>


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::Maybe I'm just thick-headed, but how, legally, are images different from ASCII-encoded text as far as our license goes? --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 17:29 Aug 31, 2002 (PDT)
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LDC - I really like your rewrite of the [[Social Darwinism]] article. It reads much better now, the flow of ideas is much more streamlined, and the differences with and confusion with sociobiology are well highlighted. Kudos! [[User:-- April|-- April]]

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Odd question. Under the Berne Convention, anything is copyright once it's in a fixed medium. Under the DMCA, if you bypass encryption to access a copyrighted file, you break the law. I write you an email using GPG, you decrypt it, you violate the DMCA (the email is copyright me, unless I explicitly disclaim copyright--J.D. Salinger set a precedent on this one in re: personal letters he'd sent a friend, who gave them to an author who wanted to publish them in a book on Salinger). Therefore the DMCA explodes either itself or copyright--nothing copyright can be decrypted without violating the DMCA, or encryption itself is illegal (including for DVDs). I must be missing something. [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|--KQ]] 03:37 Sep 20, 2002 (UTC)

:Yes, the contents of mail is copyrighted by the sender, but the very act of mailing should be an obvious expression of intent that the recipient read it--that's the whole purpose. The DMCA only outlaws "bypassing access controls" for ''unintended'' accesses; it certainly doesn't apply to playing a legally-bought DVD on a legally-bought DVD player, or reading your own mail, both of which require decryption as the copyright holder intended. It would be illegal for ''me'' to read your mail, or even for me to sell a program that allowed some third party to read your mail.
::Hm, I knew that seemed too easy. So if I understand it correctly, the DMCA just ... uh ... doesn't make much sense. You could be prosecuted for breaking rot13 on a message? [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|--KQ]]
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Lee, I and 128.whoever went back and forth on the vandalism in progress page also, but of us changing unattributed comments about 128's actions and motives (at the first bullet about him), so that may be what he's thinking of. At one point I removed the "he is otherwise rational" bit and the part about his comment to Brion, thinking that might calm him down. In retrospect I probably shouldn't have--it may not have been signed, but it was still someone else's comment. I've also reverted tarquin's comment at the second bullet after 128 changed it. [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|--KQ]] 18:30 Oct 2, 2002 (UTC)

:Fair enough. I should have signed the comment, and maybe it was ruder than necessary. And removing a comment (or even editing one for grammar, putting *** over profanity, or other kinds of edits) is far, far, different from changing it to something else. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]]

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I wonder if you have been keeping an eye on the [[Aria Giovanni]] talk webpage. The situation there is out of control.

Matters have deteriorated to a highly abusive level over a website link. Of special concern is the general conduct and attitude of someone called NetEsq, who claims in his details to be a lawyer.

He has repeatedly abused anyone who opposed the idea of the website link with such tactics and traits as net misettiquete ( eg the use of the word 'you' in capitals and bold to emphasise shouting), a poor grasp of history, the unrepentant use of such provocative terms as 'Nazi' (which I hope is an example of his poor grasp of history) , out of context quotes and attempted alienation ("only YOU opppose it"). He writes of defending freedom of expression, yet cannot tolerate it from others when they give an opinion he does not like. So far three persons have been under fire by him, with the treatment of one of them especially deplorable.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of his beliefs, it is very advisable to bring this most unruly and arrogant person into line.

Given that your name is on the list of persons who can ban users (you banned an IP address a while ago, so I assume you're a wikipedia person), I thought it highly advisable to bring this to your attention, before it leads to persons leaving the wikipedia - something likely to stroke Netesq's already aggressive ego.

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Lee, could you kindly take a look at [[User talk:Isis]]? Also, did you ever get a reply from the CIA about using their original artwork for the flag images? Thanks. [[User:Scipius|Scipius]] 22:22 Oct 11, 2002 (UTC)

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You seem like you're knowledgeable about such things. I understand video and book covers can be uploaded as fair use, does the same thing apply to album covers? It seems logical to me, but I thought I should ask you first. [[User:Tokerboy|Tokerboy]] 23:04 Oct 21, 2002 (UTC)

:Album covers should indeed be no different under "fair use" doctrine than the video and book covers already here, but the RIAA is a lot nastier about threatening to sue over such things. But they haven't made any noise about our sound clips yet, so either we're still below their radar or else they realize how futile such a suit would be (my guess is the former--the latter would presume some intelligence on their part).

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I can create text files, MySQL databases, excel spreadsheets, word documents, or whatever else you might need to add articles Wikipedia. It would also be grand if you had some way to change the wiki software to accomodate as discussed in the Village Pump. Whatever the case, just get back to me on what to do. I was discussing with Maverick various things on my talk page and you might find some of that interesting as well. I'm not going to run the bot at one article per minute at this point because it is too slow to be practical (see the discussion on my talk page). -- [[User:Ram-Man|Ram-Man]]
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Clicking on [http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=United_States_Census_Bureau what links to United States Census Bureau?] took 1 minute 20 seconds before any output, and was still rendering three minutes later when I killed it. This looks like a very expensive link to click. [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 08:35 Oct 25, 2002 (UTC)

Other links that I expect to have similar behavior will be the corresponding ones for [[2000]], [[African American]], [[Native Americans|Native American]], [[square kilometre|km²]], and any other pages linked by thousands of Ram-Man's articles. This isn't Ram-Man's fault: the software should be able to cope better with this: perhaps some use of LIMIT in the SQL queries would be useful? [[User:The Anome|The Anome]]

Yes, it takes a long time to render a page with a lot of links, so a "what links here" page with hundreds of entries will be expensive. You're probably right that it might be worth writing some special-case code for that. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]]

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I'm suspicious of the validity of adding work to Wikipedia that's not coverable by the GFDL (as described in [[Wikipedia:copyrights]]). Isn't this a basic problem? -[[User:The Cunctator|The Cunctator]]

:Text would definitely be a problem, and I think we're pretty clear that we don't want text that isn't free. But images really are a different case; I think "fair use" images are OK, because it's an easy distinction to make, the utility of Wikipedia would suffer greatly if we couldn't use such images, and using such images does not detract from the goal of creating our own text.

I don't know that it would suffer greatly; there are a bunch of public domain images out there, and Wikipedia is a great opportunity to encourage people to generate more. But I can see both sides of the argument.

On the other hand, I'm extremely uncomfortable about contaminating the Wikipedia feed with content that can't be used by downstream licensees. If we didn't use any GFDL content ourselves, then we wouldn't be limited by the GFDL conditions, but we do (or at least would like to be able to).

Whatever the case, it's certainly not in the spirit of the GFDL to include non-free (the RMS def.) images.

I certainly think that it's ''crazy'' to imagine a legal setup in which image use as we do would be forbidden, but we live in a crazy world, with DRM around the corner.

Finally, "fair use" is, unfortunately, a defense. If someone challenges the use of their images, we would have to prove "fair use" in court, after the injunction. The fair use defense is sadly weak. --[[User:The Cunctator|The Cunctator]]

:In practice, if the copyright holder of an image complained, we would have to remove the image rather than attempt to defend our fair use rights. Just as it would be a very bad idea to have non-free text, I think it would be a bad idea to have articles that ''depend'' on non-free images, and if you find such an article, it would be appropriate to call attention to that problem. An image that's just an illustration to an otherwise complete article (like the video and album covers, for example) shouldn't be a problem, although you're right that it could be a problem for downstream use (although most such downstream uses will have the same fair use rights we do).

In my expert opinion, Cunctator's assumption that "we would have to prove 'fair use' in court, after the injunction" is mistaken: The three elements a movant has to show to get a preliminary injunction are probability of success on the merits, threat of irreparable harm, and equity (or the balancing of the harms) favors the movant. The movant bears the burden on all three elements and, before the court gets to them, bears the burden of showing there is no adequate remedy at law, or injunction will not lie. Since someone complaining of copyright infringement could not make any one of those showings (let alone all four of them), they're never going to get an injunction to start with. -- [[User:Isis|isis]] 07:25 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)

: We should probably move this debate to another page... I think it's ''vital'' that "fair use" images are marked as such. For example, if we later produce a paper snapshot of Wikipedia (the idea cropped up on the mailing list a while ago), we'd need to know which images we must omit. -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]]

I don't understand the concept of "'fair use' image," either by itself or in the context it's used in here. The images we use under what we call the "fair use" doctrine are not copyrighted. Here's what ''Black's Law Dictionary'' (4th ed.) says, and see if this makes what I'm saying clearer (italics added for emphasis & citation omitted):
:'''FAIR USAGE.''' The doctrine of "fair usage" means that the matter which was under copyright was ''neither copied nor adopted'', but that the uncopyrightable underlying idea was used, since a theme or idea is not copyrightable.

What I don't understand is what "which images we must omit" is about -- I can't think of any situation in which any image in the 'pedia should be "omitted." Would someone please enlighten me? -- [[User:Isis|isis]] 11:26 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)

: I was thinking of album cover thumbnails & sound clips -- wouldn't a a CD or paper version of Wikipedia, even if sold at-cost, have to omit those? -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]]

No, no way, never, huh-uh. -- [[User:Isis|isis]] 11:40 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)

:The only possible time such an image ''might'' have to be omitted is in a commercially sold reproduction of Wikipedia (that weakens our "fair use" position but probably wouldn't destroy it), and since we don't plan on ever doing that, it shouldn't be a problem. If we made a paper reproduction distributed in accordance with our educational purposes, the same fair use rights would apply to that.

With all due respect, I must dissent from that opinion: Under ''Fed.R.Evid.'' 1001, for example, any copy of the 'pedia is interchangeable with any other (and/or the "original" -- whatever that means in this context), so whether we charge for our efforts in producing a particular copy or not is immaterial.

I've just realized what's been bothering some Users about the videotape covers: They don't understand what a copyright on the packaging means. I should have caught on sooner and told them the fact they were missing to ease their minds: A copyright on a videotape cover design prohibits anyone else's making a ''videotape cover/box/package'' with that same (or too much like it) design, but it does ''not'' prohibit anyone's taking a picture of it to show to anyone (commercially or not) when talking about the content of the tape in that box. If it did, the copyright laws would be unconstitutional, and those statutes are intended to further the 1st Amendment, not violate it. -- [[User:Isis|isis]] 20:20 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)

: Sounds like the matter is resolved (but Isis, note that we're dealing internationally here -- 1st amendment is a local thing ;-) [[Wikipedia:Copyright issues]] seems to be a good spot to move this conversation to -- but boy does that page need a clean-up! Anyone feel like picking the information out of that huge discussion? -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]]

I'm copying this great discussion over to [[m:Wikipedia and copyright issues]]. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]]

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I just want to give you rousing cheers for your arguments in the talk on Naming conventions (anglicization). [[User:Gritchka|Gritchka]]
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Please take a peak at [[User talk:Dewlaylomo/ban]]. I think an administrator should take some action. [[User:Mbecker|MB]] 02:35 May 15, 2003 (UTC)

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Hi Lee. Brion said you have a test server which you have been known to hand out accounts to. Can I have one? To find out why I'm asking, see [[User talk:Tim Starling]]. In brief, Eloquence is pushing me to do less talk and more action when it comes to PHP code. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 06:07 25 May 2003 (UTC)
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Could a developer check to see if [[User:Eddie]] is loging in using [[User:Michael]]'s ip range (i.e. 152.163.25x.xxx)? He has been reverting articles of [[User:Michael]]'s back to user Michael's content in a sneaky way. I just want to make sure it is or isn't [[User:Michael]]. If it is him, please ban the account. Thanks. [[User:Mbecker|MB]] 17:41 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
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[[User:Fuck]] is Michael, please ban and delete the account, or whatever is nessesary.

Michael is back as [[User:Weezer/NOFX]], attempts to reason with him to E-mail Jimbo have come to nothing, usual mind-games, alas, please ban the account. [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 15:10 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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[[user:My Green Dice]] is also Michael-- ''Green'' Dice, with spaces, not My''Red''Dice, without. Anyway, he's moving Hephaestos' page to different places; could you block him please? Thanks. [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|Koyaanis Qatsi]] 01:53 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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[http://www.mikepick.com/news/archives/000085.html SARS poker]. heh. [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|Koyaanis Qatsi]] 22:28 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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Dear Lee, could you possibly add [[User:The Anomebot]] to the list of registered bots? It's well debugged and non-controversial, and has been working without causing any fuss on and off for a couple of days. If it is registered, I intend to speed it up to one hit per minute, with an extra safety back-off feature (measure transaction time, take min of a multiple of this and the programmed delay) that will stop it from being a nuisance when the server is heavily loaded. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 22:13 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Lee - since I'm already both a developer and a root sysadmin on both boxes, do you mind making me a sysop as well? Thanks! -- [[User:Marumari|Marumari]] 20:45 26 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, Lee. -- [[User:Marumari|Marumari]] 16:22 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Could you ban [[User:67.121.169.17 (Michael)]] ASAP? [[User:Mbecker|MB]] 23:25, Aug 5, 2003 (UTC)

When RK comes back I want to nominate him for sysop. I dont ask for much, but I ask that you support his nomination. Sincerely-[[User:Stevertigo|<strong>&#25140;&#30505sv</Strong>]] 23:00, Aug 16, 2003 (UTC)


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Lee,

I'm working on a project based on the wikipedia MediaWiki engine to create a set of annotations on Neal Stephenson's upcoming book ''Quicksilver''. It's going to be a public site. I've seeded some of the entries with text from the Wikipedia for our internal release, and I wanted to invite you to participate and also ask you whether it's OK to use some of the Wikipedia content for our public release (I realize the license is GFDL, but I still wanted to make sure we don't launch without asking). Send me email and I can give you the URL and password for the internal site. patrick@appliedminds.net --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] 21:32, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi there, you have been listed as "inactive" on [[Wikipedia:Administrators]]. Please remove the notice when it is out of date. Cheers, [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 01:36, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)


==WikiProject Philosophy==
Hi Lee! The articles to which you contributed on [[philosophy]] are fantastic -- I particularly liked [[Karl Popper]]. I'm trying to create a meeting-spot for philosophically-inclined pedians over on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy|WikiProject Philosophy]], so that we can work on articles together, and I'd like to invite you to join us. If you're interested, drop on in -- no obligation, of course. [[User:Adam Conover|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash; [[User:Adam Conover | Adam Conover]] [[User talk:Adam Conover|&dagger;]] 21:03, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)

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Hi, I could not find this issue covered in the FAQ's and would suspect it could only be fixed by a Wikitech doing a DB query directly; so I'm asking for your wisdom on this. Short version: can the update "14:07, 12 Apr 2004 . . 211.29.136.11" of Anti-globalization_movement be corrected to my user:Daeron identity?

By time I've hit the "Save Page" button, I've been logged out resulting in the change becoming anonymous. In this case as it's an article which is under a neutrality dispute notice, I would wish any concerns about my input to be addressed; as well as taking responsibility for my own input :-)

== Public Domain ==

Since you've released your changes into the public domain, you can add '''<nowiki>{{MultiLicensePD}}</nowiki>''' to your user page to let everyone know using the template, if you prefer that. -- [[User:Ram-Man|Ram-Man]] 02:22, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)


==Unverified images==
Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

*[[:Image:Ivaraasen.jpg]]

I notice it currently doesn't have an [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags|image copyright tag]]. Could you add one to let us know its [[copyright]] status? (You can use <nowiki>{{gfdl}}</nowiki> if you release it under the [[GNU Free Documentation License]], <nowiki>{{fairuse}}</nowiki> if you claim [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]], etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just ''let me know [[User talk:Poccil|at my talk page]]'' where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|[[User:Poccil|Peter O.]] ([[User Talk:Poccil|Talk]], [[User:Poccil/Automation.js|automation script]])]] 22:42, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at [[User:Yann/Untagged_Images]]. Thanks again.

:Also [[:Image:Vo Nguyen Giap.jpg]]

== [[:Image:Clupeiformis.jpg]] ==

Greetings! I was wondering about the source for [[:Image:Clupeiformis.jpg]], which you uploaded. I can't find the image in the [[NOAA]] image library, and I'd like to get hold of the original scan. Can you tell me where you found it? (I've searched under "whitefish", "clupeiformis", "clupeaformis", "cisco", and "coregonus"&#8212;all the terms I can think of.) Thanks! &#8212;[[User:Tkinias|Tkinias]] 22:37, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

What should I do if I find a page which is been constatly vandalized? The page: [[Olavo de Carvalho]] is under severe atack. Some people are putting untrue and profanation, ofensive information and using bad language. I have fixed the page twice but I think it is not enough. Also I have added a protected template (I dont know if I did it right or not, If I did something wrong excuse me).
I would appreciate if you could help me with this. -- Thank you very much. [[User:Carlosar|Carlosar]] 02:23, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

== Page update problem ==

Hi Lee. There seems to be a problem when pages are updated: you do a whole load of edits and the page updates fine. But the next day, say, when you look at the page again the updates have not been effective and the page version many edits before is displayed. When you go to the history page all the edits are there and the 'last' version of the page is updated OK. This has just happend on the [[transistor]] page after edits yesterday. This fault has happend a couple of times before on this page. Is it something I am doing (Wikipedia rookie) or is there a system problem or is it my browser (MS IE)? I just had another look at the transistor page and it is OK now. Regards -- [[User:CPES|CPES]] 14:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==[[:Image:Benjamindavis sm.jpg]]==
{| align=center border=0 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=4 style="border: 2px solid #FF0000; background-color: #FFDEDE"
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| '''Image deletion warning'''
| style="font-size: 80%" | The image [[:Image:Benjamindavis sm.jpg]] has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. If you feel that this image should not be deleted, please go there to voice your opinion.
|} --[[User:Ellmist|Ellmist]] 18:37, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:It's no longer necessary to keep separate small images around, since the software now does server-side image rescaling, so this should be deleted. [[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] 23:32, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Mediawiki error on wikipedia ==

Hello Lee,

I saw your name in the FAQ so I thought it was probabely best to report this problem to you: When trying to visit this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

I get this error:
<pre>
Warning: mysql_query(): Unable to save result set in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.4/includes/Database.php on line 324
Unable to free MySQL result
Backtrace:

Database.php line 469 calls wfdebugdiebacktrace()
User.php line 464 calls databasemysql::freeresult()
SkinTemplate.php line 254 calls user::getnewtalk()
OutputPage.php line 417 calls skinmonobook::outputpage()
OutputPage.php line 614 calls outputpage::output()
Database.php line 360 calls outputpage::databaseerror()
Database.php line 309 calls databasemysql::reportqueryerror()
Parser.php line 3005 calls databasemysql::query()
Parser.php line 195 calls parser::replacelinkholders()
OutputPage.php line 243 calls parser::parse()
Article.php line 795 calls outputpage::addprimarywikitext()
index.php line 127 calls article::view()
</pre>
Any idea what's going on? [[User:Sander Marechal|Sander Marechal]] 15:28, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Welcome back ==

Welcome back :) I hope you find Wikipedia has changed for the good. - [[User:Mark|Mark]] 06:55, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Acrobat web capture ==
I habitually use Acrobat web capture to save web pages of interest because it preserves links and lets me save additional pages that are linked from the initial pages. This doesn't seem to work with Wikipedia. I've looked in the robot.txt file and FAQ's and didn't see any mention of Acrobat Web Capture as being some that is discouraged or blocked. Is it a local setting on my machine or the application or is there a policy on this that I failed to find, maybe my search technique was inadequate? Is this question common enough to be worthy of mention in the FAQ's?

Scott
7-18-2005
:If your problem is links dissapearing then it probablly means acrobat web capture is using the print stylesheet. Otherwise no idea. [[User:Plugwash|Plugwash]] 21:09, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

== Interlacing ==
[[Adam7 algorithm]] claims that adam7 was based on an earlier very similar 5 pass algorithm by you. Was your algorithm simply

1 4 2 4
5 5 5 5
3 4 3 4
5 5 5 5

or was there some other subtule differance between your algorithm and adam7? [[User:Plugwash|Plugwash]] 21:09, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

== Help with Sulfates category ==

Hello, I don't know if you are the appropriate person to help with this, but I ask anyway. Plase take a look to the sulfates category, it shows a lot of fluorides, compounds that do not belong to that category. The problem is that none of the fluoride articles indicates that it belongs to the sulfate categories; in other words there are no links within those articles (as fas as I can see) to the sulfate category. Neither there is any link in the sulfate category page to any of those fluorides. How can we fix that, is it a bug in Wikipedia? Sorry, but I'm still not familiar with categories.
Best regards, I appreciate your help. --[[User:Paiconos|Paiconos]] 15:51, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

== Weird history problem ==
I've got a semi-non-cache problem. I reloaded my history page ( 68.110.171.226 ), and got new entries - but not all of them...

23:13, 3 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Freeze distillation (~ender - fix s) (top)
23:12, 3 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Freeze distillation (~ender - add fusel alcohols)
22:57, 3 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Eddy-Current Testing (~ender - creation: some random

But it's missing (at least) this one from [[Talk:Freeze_distillation]]:

23:10, 3 October 2005 68.110.171.226 (~ender - thx for the lead, but I still like to know more...)

So, I think it's not a problem on my end, but not sure where to track it down.

~ender 2005-10-04 01:02:MST

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== Ignore All Rules ==

Mr. Crocker, you are the oldest listed editor of the [[Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules]] article. I believe the IAR is getting so convoluted that it needs clarification, particularly in the philosophical area of "What is the purpose of rules?" If you would add your thoughts to [[Wikipedia_talk:Ignore_all_rules|discussion]], it would be greatly appreciated.

* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules&oldid=26848512 Here is the edit that I proposed, which I believe clarifies the concept].
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules&oldid=26849625 Here is the reverted article that is now protected from editing].

Thanks for any insight you can give. --[[User:Zephram Stark|Zephram Stark]] 13:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

==Intellectual Property==

Lee, the [[Intellectual Property]] page is a mess - I think it has been pulled this way and that by various POV-oriented editors. On the Talk page, I've proposed a lead paragraph that puts the fact of controversy into the definition of the term. With the controversy on the table, perhaps the various contestants can describe the varying views accurately instead of vying for space. But honestly, most of the article is nonsense -- I think it's the worst article I've encountered in Wikipedia. I would appreciate your looking at my suggestion and I'd very much like to hear from you. And thanks for creating such super software! [[User:Pfaff9|Bryan]] 03:28, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

== Crocker's Rules ==

You might want to take a look at the article and AfD discussion of [[Crocker's rules]]. Do you have a good description of what they are, what they mean, how one uses them? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] [[User_talk:dpbsmith|(talk)]] 22:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

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The above three images are all orphans -[[User:Nv8200p|Nv8200p]] [[User_talk:Nv8200p|talk]] 21:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== [[User:DavidCary]] ==

Ah, how embarrassing. I've forgotten my wikipedia password.
This is the first time I've tried the "e-mail new password" thingy.
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work.
(I don't remember if I ever entered my email address in ... or perhaps I did but mis-typed it).

I suppose I could just make up a new user account ... but that seems so wasteful.

Are you one of the people that
[[Help:Logging_in#What_if_I_forget_the_password?]]
suggests might, possibly, be able to help me?
-- DavidCary http://david.carybros.com/

p.s.: I was using the same password for [[Wikibooks:User:DavidCary]] -- would you reset that one as well?
--[[User:70.189.75.148|70.189.75.148]] 17:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

==Help Please==

I'm sorry to bother you Mr. Crocker, but the help page said you might be able to help me. I recently created a new page titled 'Big Five (Yugioh)', and upon saving the page, the top of the page listed a message saying it could not save my edit (which is itself is strange, since the page was right there), and if the problem persisted, to log out and log back in. Now when I go to my contributions page, not only am I not listed as having created such a page, but Searching turns up nothing. Do I need to rewrite the page entirely, or is there another problem? [[User: Drake Clawfang]], April 19, 2006. 12:31 AM EST.

==Düsseldorf Coat-of-Arms==
On 29 July 2002, you said about the image at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dusseldo.jpg
“This is a really awful image...if you can find a better one in some other format or size, I'll trim it down to useful size and right format (PNG)”
There is a better one at:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/3/3a/Wappen_Duesseldorf.jpg
[[User:Bejnar|Bejnar]] 18:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

== Shuffling ==

The "unsourced" sentence you removed from [[Shuffle]] is mine. It is based on my 15+ years of personal experience as a professional poker player and dealer. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]]
:I appreciate that, and I respect your personal experience in the area, but remember Wikipedia's policy of [[WP:NOR|No Original Research]]. I would feel far more confident about including the information in the article if there were a reliable third party source which could be cited as an origin for the claim. It is by no means common knowledge that people are good enough with cards to do that many shuffles in so brief a time, so it might be best if we were able to find a source for it. Thank you, however, for your attention to the article. --[[User:Kuzaar|Kuzaar]]<sup>-[[User talk:Kuzaar|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Kuzaar|C]]-</sup> 08:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
::I can't help but assume from your userpage and history that you're operating in good faith here, so instead of removing it pending a source I've just tagged the statement with a <nowiki>{{citeneeded}}</nowiki> template. I'll try my hand at looking for a resource for dealer speeds, but won't be disappointed if you find and add it before me. Thank you, --[[User:Kuzaar|Kuzaar]]<sup>-[[User talk:Kuzaar|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Kuzaar|C]]-</sup> 12:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the reply. I've a passing interest in several card games, and I suppose I've just never been lucky enough to see a professional dealer do his thing. Like I said before, when I get a chance I'll see if I can't find any resources about this. Sorry if I came off as pedantic, but my (limited, certainly) personal experience would put a feat of doing that many shuffles that quickly into the category of legend and myth, haha. :) Happy editing, --[[User:Kuzaar|Kuzaar]]<sup>-[[User talk:Kuzaar|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Kuzaar|C]]-</sup> 19:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

==Link==
You may want to know that the link to "your personal wiki" is broken (I got 404'd). You may want to fix/remove/change it. [[User:MichaelBillington|MichaelBillington]] 09:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

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== Virus from Wikipedia? ==

Hi, is it possible to get a virus from viewing the Wikipedia?

:Not with any version of the software I released, but I haven't been actively involved in software development here for a while, so it's possible that some security leaks have sneaked in that I'm unaware of. But doubt it--Brion Vibber, who leads most of the development now, is a sharp guy and I'd be surprized if he made that kind of mistake.
==[[User talk:NoSeptember/Early admins (20 Sept 2002)|Early admins]]==
Thank you for your comments on my early admin page. I replied there, feel free to visit it anytime you think of some tidbit about that period :). [[User:NoSeptember/Signature11|<font color = "green">'''NoSeptember'''</font>]] 20:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


==Help Please (underlined links)==

Hi, it said on the 'contact us' page that you can help with lots of problems.
Occaisionally, wikilinks start underlining, instead of just showing in blue. I can't find an option in 'preferences' for this, and I find it very hard to read the underlined text - especially in link-heavy articles. I've tried refresshing, but that doesn't seem to help. What should I do? [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 12:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
:Hi Duncan, I don't think this is the right place for this type of question, I would try the village pump next time. That said, underlining hyperlinks on web pages is controlled by the web browser. So I would check your web browsers preference settings first and see if that makes a difference. --[[User:Paul E Ester|Paul E. Ester]] 14:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks Paul, perhaps you'd tell whoever runs the Wikipedia 'contact us' pages to stop telling people to ask lee Daniel Crocker. Anyway, I had tried the Village Pump before coming here, didn't get any response. I've since found that the underlinings disappear after I edit a page, and as I haven't changed any browser settings, it all seems a little bizarre! [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 20:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

==Orphaned fair use image (Image:Beatles twist shout.ogg)==
Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:Beatles twist shout.ogg]]'''. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[WP:O|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Fritz Saalfeld|Fritz S.]] ([[User talk:Fritz Saalfeld|Talk]]) 09:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

==Orphaned fair use image (Image:Ellsworth bunker.jpg)==
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:Fritz Saalfeld|Fritz S.]] ([[User talk:Fritz Saalfeld|Talk]]) 17:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

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==Unspecified source for Image:Zebra.jpg==

Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:Zebra.jpg]]'''. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the [[copyright]] status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the file also doesn't have a copyright tag, then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{tl|GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the [[GFDL]]. If you believe the media meets the criteria at [[Wikipedia:Fair use]], use a tag such as {{tlp|Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use]]. See [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags]] for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following [{{fullurl:Special:Log|type=upload&user={{PAGENAMEE}}}} this link]. '''Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been uploaded''', as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you. [[User:Fred Chess|Fred]]-[[User_talk:Fred Chess|Chess]] 21:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

== double suited ==

Hi, I noticed you removed my definition of 'double suited' from the [[List of slang names for poker hands]] page. I just thought it belonged in an article somewhere, since its a common omaha term and it doesn't seem to be defined anywhere on wikipedia. But it isn't really 'slang', I'll give you that. Do you think it should be included somewhere else, or do you think its meaning is self-evident? &mdash;[[User:Kymacpherson|Kymacpherson]] 03:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Seems pretty self-evident to me, but my judgment shouldn't be the only one--if you really think it needs to be somewhere, I'd put it into the glossary article (along with "suited"). --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] 18:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== [[WP:C]] Question ==

The [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Copyrights&diff=314126&oldid=314118 September 25, 2002] version of WP:C show that you had made a statement "It is not the job of rank-and-file Wikipedians to police content for possible copyright infringement, but if you suspect one, you should at the very least bring up the issue on that page's talk page." What was your intent in that statement, and are you aware that it is now gone? --[[User:Hackajar|Hackajar]] 05:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

:That was probably a more appropriate statement back in the days when we were still experimenting with just what Wikipedia policy was going to be, and our major focus was recriuiting content creators, not editors. I'm sure that since then we've reached a more detailed consensus about such policies, and good editors are more valued than content creators, so my statement isn't really relevant anymore.
::Good to know, thank you [[User:Hackajar|Hackajar]] 04:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

==What do you think of links to www.youtube.com in wikipedia==

Answers?[[User:RoddyYoung|RoddyYoung]] 11:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

==Nostalgia time...==
Hi LDC, great to get updated on your life. I'm still around, and I even hear from JHK occasionally.

Now...I was browsing [http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org nostalgia.wikipedia.org], and checking the history logs. Apparently I get the credit for the creation of [http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientific_method&action=history Scientific Method] (!) Much as I'd love this to be true, my memory suggest that this was one of yours originally.

Conversely, I get no credit for [http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Erdos&action=history Paul Erdos], which annoys me as I worked awfully hard on that one (you even put me on brilliant prose as a result - here's your comment on [http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManningBartlett my user page]).).

Now putting my fragile ego aside (an effort, to be sure), this discovery appears to suggest that the history logs at Nostalgia are somewhat unreliable. As I found some people trawling around looking for "History of Wikipedia" info, I felt the need to warn them about taking the history logs as gospel.

Is there any way of correcting the history logs? Or have they been lost to time... anyway, all the best :) [[User:Manning Bartlett|Manning]] 03:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, sone of the very earliest history of Wikipedia is lost, because Clifford's software didn't keep article histories indefinitely. We also didn't do a complete job converting article histories when we updated. In fact, the earliest record for the [[Poker]] article shows an edit by Larry Sanger, which clearly wasn't his area of expertise :-) It's possible that the some of the history records that survived Clifford's software but that weren't converted in transition may still exist on a backup tape somewhere, waiting to be converted. You might ask Brion or Tim about that. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] 01:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== extropy-chat misses you ==


Lee,

Do you remember Me, Brent Allsop from the Extropy chat list?

I met you at the Extro-5 conference back in 2001. And we've had various talks on the Extropy e-mail list about qualia and such. We had a conversation back in 1999 about working on the extropy.org web site for Max More (we had e-mail problems to start with). I seem to be having e-mail problems again and many varied attempts to send you e-mail have failed. I asked about you on the exi-chat list. Spike said he had recently similarly tried to contact you in vain, and asked me to tell you that he and others miss you on that list if I get a hold of you. BillK suggested I try contacting you here, so I hope that is OK that I do.

I particularly remembered the paper (I thought was brilliant) you presented at extro-5 entitled: "Fighting for Less Privacy: The Transparency Option" (Is that paper available anywhere? I can't seem to find it online, and the extropy.com site's search seems broken.)

I’m thinking of creating a wiki system that I think will better handle POV information in a structured debate kind of way. If you’ve got a chance I’d love to chat about it. Or if you're not interested just let me know and I’ll stop trying to bother you.


allsop at extropy dot org


Thanks!

[[User:Brent Allsop|Brent Allsop]] 03:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

== Primary Topic in Disambiguation ==

Hi,

I noticed that you wrote the original naming convention guidelines in [[WP:D]] regarding the situation when one entry is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:D#Primary_topic primary meaning]. I wanted to get your opinion on how you determine whether one meaning is the primary meaning relative to other meanings? For example, if there is a topic XYZ and multiple meanings for XYZ, but one stands out as the primary meaning to me, what necessary and sufficient evidence would you require to be convinced of that, if it's not obvious? Thanks in advance for you consideration of this issue. --[[User:Hamsacharya dan|Hamsacharya dan]] 20:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

:I think salience is an inherently subjective, culturally-dependent, and dynamic thing, so I don't think one can--or should--make a fixed set of criteria for it. I can say, though, that's it's important to keep the goal in mind: imagine a typical user typing the term into a search box; which meaning is he or she most likely looking for? Making judgments like this is part of the process or witing a good article.

Thank you very much for the input. --[[User:Hamsacharya dan|Hamsacharya dan]] 21:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I am the same user as [[commons:User:Lee Daniel Crocker]].

== Spelling: Jewellery VS. Jewelry ==

Dear Lee Daniel Crocker:
I am emailing about the Jewellery category. I believe your might be the original author of the category and I would like your feedback. I have posted the issue on WPO" Pump as well as manual of style. I am wondering if you would be willing to consider the use of the American spelling. I personally have no issue with the fact that we have 2 different spelllings on WP - both English and American - as I am aware there are 2 different spellings and for me, it is not a problem. However, I do feel we are having a siginifcant issue here on WP about the English VS. American spelling and I feel I have a good case to revert to the American Spelling. So - here it is. I am a graduate student at Bard here in US. I have read and researched literally hundreds of published titles on this topic. To that aim, I am endeavoring to beef up this category and help WP. However, in the act of reading many titles over many years, I have come to conclude that the American spelling is more dominent in published works on this topic. I don't have a reasoning behind why, I just know that it is so. Because of this, I feel it is neccesary to switch back to the American spelling. Even though in OED, it is jewellery, in every major book on this topic with the exception a few published in UK, it is spelled jewelry. For example - see what is known as "the bible on jewelry," the title is: Jewelry Concepts & Technology by Oppi Untracht. The spelling used is jewelry. Another example: On Amazon, you type in both. For jewelry there are 83,868 Results, for Jewellery, there are 61,300,000 Results - that is a significant difference in published works. I am more than happy to provide a complete bibliography if need be, but in the interest of being user friendly, I ask that you consider this and let me know what you think. Thanks, Archie, archimartin[[User:Archiemartin|Archiemartin]]

:I was not involved in the creation of the jewelry articles, but I was involved in the creation of our usage standards and the articles about British and American English. In general, it is acceptable here for any article to use either British or American spelling and grammar, so long as they aren't mixed in a single article. I don't believe we explicitly dealt with the issue of a category name itself or a collection of related articles. I don't doubt that American usages generally predominate the world of published works, and not only in this category, because of the larger publishing industry here, larger Internet presence, and our cultural imperialism in general. But I'm not sure that's really sufficient to justify changing well-written articles that happen to use the other dialect. I don't think book titles are helpful either: the [[color]] articles are pretty consistent with that spelling, even though there are standard works like Hunt's "Reproduction of Colour..." Do you have some reason to believe that use of British English in this case hampers quality of the articles, say by making searches less useful of something? If not, I don't see a clear reason to change any particular article's usage. One thing that ''would'' justify changing an article is if someone who makes significant changes to it is not comfortable editing in the other dialect, and so changes the whole article to be consistent. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] 17:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Daniel,
Thanks for your kind reply. I appreciate the response. I agree that it is not all that important in general as one surfs along to have the two different spellings. However, my concern is twofold. One concern is that I myself as I go along working in this category am writing in American English will encounter problems and hostility, (I already have) with other editors who don't like me inserting the American version. The other is that I don't think it looks good for WP, plain and simple. When I began here, I had a very difficult time finding things in this category because of the two spellings. I have noticed that now there is a redirect which helps but the areas are not conjoined and there is not alot of integration. To remedy some of this, I just started writing and editing my own things using that spelling, but I did get a few nasty reactions as I did so. I just think at the end of the day, choosing one in this instance will make sense long term because unlike words like color/colour - jewelry/jewellery is a noun. It is quite problematic. Let me know what you think. Archie, archiemartin[[User:Archiemartin|Archiemartin]]

== [[WP:DAB]] ==

Hi LDC, one more question for you about disambiguation. I have a situation in which there is call for a "dual" disambiguation: [[Kriya Yoga]]. Can you take a quick look at the disambiguation structure and let me know if you feel that this is appropriate or inappropriate? I feel that this structure is most instructive to the reader as it directs them with more clarity and specificity. Thanks. --[[User:Hamsacharya dan|Hamsacharya dan]] 20:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

:I'm afraid making the right choices here would require an in-depth knowledge of the subject that I just don't have.

== Sample Space ==

Dear Lee,

Could you please clarify something in regard to your Sample Space page? I agree that a sample space can be described in different ways, but I don't believe your example says what you want. What you are really giving two different experiments: 1) drawing a card and observing the suit vs. 2) drawing a card and observing the rank. The different sample spaces should really be with respect to the same experiment, such as flipping two coins and observing the outcomes. We could then describe the sample space as either:

{ hh, ht, th, tt } or { two heads, two tails, a head and a tail }

All possible outcomes are still covered, and the sum of the probabilities still add up to one. I hear you now - a head and a tail is really not one outcome, but two! I hear you, but from what I've seen in the literature, this appears to be generally accepted. What do you think?

Thanks,

[[User:Markysdad|Markysdad]] 18:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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==Removing missing rationale tags==
Do not remove missing rationale tags unless you actually provide them. Please note that the tag "non-free audio sample" is '''not''' a rationale, just a biolerplate template, and thus does not quailfy per fair use. — [[User:Kaiba|<font color="#191970"><font size="3pt">'''Κ'''</font>aiba</font>]] 23:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:I used to think the same thing. I thought the template provided the rationale perfectly, but now standard practice is that we have to create them like on [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale examples]]. I honestly don't know the point of those templates anymore, but I guess it's just to make sure the text "...under United States copyright law when used on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation..." is listed on every non-free image. — [[User:Kaiba|<font color="#191970"><font size="3pt">'''Κ'''</font>aiba</font>]] 01:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:::And sorry if I came on a little strong with the first message. — [[User:Kaiba|<font color="#191970"><font size="3pt">'''Κ'''</font>aiba</font>]] 01:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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:The articles about the song contain someone else's sample, which is fine. --LDC
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==More audio files==
There are some more audio files that need rationales Lee:
*[[:Image:Sg botw.ogg]]
*[[:Image:Sg wm3a.ogg]]
*[[:Image:Sg sos.ogg]]
*[[:Image:Sg mrob.ogg]]
*[[:Image:Sg book2.ogg]]
*[[:Image:Sg sfc.ogg]]

I'll bring more by if I see any. Cheers! — [[User:Kaiba|<font color="#191970"><font size="3pt">'''Κ'''</font>aiba</font>]] 23:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

List of more:
:[[:Image:Jk beatles ringo.jpg]]

::— [[User:Kaiba|<font color="#191970"><font size="3pt">'''Κ'''</font>aiba</font>]] 01:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== MediaWiki ==

How come you don't do development stuff anymore or have an SVN account? Just curious. '''[[User talk:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue">-of-</font><font color="black">All</font>]]''' 05:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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I believe you also created the article on [[Lee Harvey Oswald]]. You can add that to your repertoire. [[User:Chuffable|Chuffable]] 08:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hello! I saw you delete the entry Broadway from the [[List of poker terms]]. Yes it´s maybe slang but as long as there is a redirect to from the "poker slang" entry to the "list of poker terms" in my opinion it should be there.
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== List of slang names for poker hands ==
per your comments on Elconejo talkpage, I just thought I would clear things up on what happen to the article List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands.

[[List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands]] was deleted and then redirected to Glossary of poker terms, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands] see: [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_slang_names_for_poker_hands_%282nd_nomination%29]] for debate, it was closed as no consensus by the closing admin, a DRV then came up [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 11|here]] (see debate), then move to wiktionary and deleted afterwards, I saw that there is a [[b:Poker]] section on wikibooks don't know if they allow slang terms or not, hope this helps ▪◦▪[[User:Sirex98|<span style="background:#44e;color:#bbf">'''≡ЅiREX≡''']][[User_talk:Sirex98|<sup>'''Talk'''</sup>]]</span> 03:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:thx, I will have a look there --[[User:Elconejo|Elconejo]] 15:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
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== Franz Josef Strauß ==

Might I ask you to take a look at the new discussion going on at [[Talk:Franz Josef Strauß#Requested Move, 2007|Franz Josef Strauß]]? Yes, it ''is'' an ancient topic (the use of '''ß''' on en-wiki), but this is one of the most prominent articles in which this issue is of significance. Given your experience, your input would be very much appreciated. [[User:Unschool|Unschool]] ([[User talk:Unschool|talk]]) 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
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== Award ==

{{User:ComputerGuy890100/Jimbo Edit|Lee Daniel Crocker}}

I would like to present to you the ''I Edited Jimbo Wales' Userpage'' '''Barnstar'''! <span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;"> — [[User:CG890100|<span style="color: #008;">'''''ComputerGuy89010''''']][[User:ComputerGuy890100/Secretpage|'''''0''''']]</span></span><sup>[[User talk:ComputerGuy890100|Talk to me]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/ComputerGuy890100|What I've done to help Wikipedia]]</sub> 23:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


:Pretty silly thing to get an award for. You'd think something like, oh, writing the software that runs the site would be worth some kudos, but I guess I'll take what I can get. :-) --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] ([[User talk:Lee Daniel Crocker#top|talk]]) 07:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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== MediaWiki coding ==

Any change of you making a small return to coding? :) '''[[User talk:Voice of All|<font color="blue">Aar</font><font color="darkblue">on Sc</font><font color="black">hulz</font>]]''' 13:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

:Sure, but probably not MediaWiki--I don't really like PHP much. I'm currently working with [[Django]]. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] ([[User talk:Lee Daniel Crocker#top|talk]]) 15:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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== Questioning your edit of Poker topic ==


I admit I'm new at Wikipedia editing, so I might have done something wrong. I see you're a long-time expert. However, I'm uncomfortable with your editing of my paragraph discussing poker versus gambling. You eliminated the sources, which makes the remaining paragraph appear to be unsupported assertion. Of course, we cannot put the citations back in, because the new paragraph is not what the books said. Who is vouching for the edited paragraph?

Wouldn't it make more sense to leave the original paragraph, and have you provide the counterpoint? In that case, it obviously shouldn't be in the summary section at the top, but in another section entitled, perhaps, Poker versus Gambling. That's an important issue that goes to the core of the game, in my opinion, and it has generated a lot of discussion in the poker literature. The cited books, as well as other sources, have argument and data supporting the idea that the outcome of each hand has more to do with the choices of the players than the luck of the cards. Of course, the cards determine who would have have the best hand if everyone stayed in until showdown. But they don't determine who wins how much money. It is the betting and folding decisions which determine that. If the poker hands were dealt out and a fixed sum awarded to the best one, it would clearly be a pure gambling game. But that is not poker.

To put it another way, I spend a lot of time thinking about what the other player has, what the other player thinks I have, what the other player thinks I think he has; I spend no time trying to guess whether a heart or an Ace will show up on the river. I know the probability of that, and factor it in to my calculations, but I don't try to make money thinking I can guess better than random chance.

I think there is a big difference between a gambling game and a strategic game with random elements. I'm not sure of the nature of your disagreement. Is it that any game with random elements must be a gambling game? Or that the random elements of poker so dominate the strategy and psychology that it is no different from roulette? Or that the distinction from gambling is not fundamental to the nature of poker?

I think poker is a game of strategy and psychology, in which the prize is sometimes money (when the other players fold, or put their money in the pot when you have already won the hand) and sometimes a gamble (when your play "wins" you a gamble to, say, win $10,000 with 2/3 probability and lose $4,000 with 1/3 probability). To me that's similar a basketball team passing and running to try to get a good shot; if they play well they may get an 80% shot (short, open shot by a good shooter); if they play badly they may get a 20% shot (off-balance, rushed, long shot by a bad shooter with a hand in his face).

Of course, you can gamble at a poker table. You can go all-in blind. You can bet hoping to get a good card on the board rather than figuring the situation. I would call that gambling at a poker table, not playing poker.

In any case, whether you agree or disagree, I think we've ended up with an unsatisfactory middle ground. I don't think the edited paragraph represents anyone's opinion. When I wrote it, I was not aware there was informed objection to the claim, or I would have noted those objections and placed it further down in the article. I also don't know of any credible source for the half-and-half version that is left.

I'd be happy to try my hand at a rewrite that notes your objections, and move it farther down if appropriate. But I need to know what those disagreements are. It would help to have citation for them, or at least pointers to where I might get a citation. I'm pretty well-read in the poker literature, I think I could find something if you give me some help.

[[User:AaCBrown|AaCBrown]] ([[User talk:AaCBrown|talk]]) 14:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

:It may well fit more within Wikipedia's editorial policies to have a better-attibuted paragraph, and I'd have no problem with you )or anyone) replacing my text with something easier to cite, but the sentiment expressed by the original is clearly a matter of opinion (with which I disagree strongly), and not really descriptive of the game itself, so I don't think it belongs in the article, and certainly not at the top. I don't disagree that poker is, ''in the long run'', a game of strategy--I'm a professional player myself, and I couldn't make a living if it weren't--but that long run is at least months, if not years. Poker is absolutely, unquestionably "gambling" by any reasonable definition of that word, and to say otherwise is propaganda. The original citation sounds far more like the kind of justification a bad player would give his wife than something written by someone who really understands the game. Those of us who actually play the game full time understand well that you can play continuously for many days making perfect plays and being a huge favorite every time you get your money in--and still lose. The ability to outlast such swings (both financially and emotionally) is a big part of what makes a successful player, and is exactly the same as other professional gamblers such as horse handicappers, sports bettors, blackjack counters, and others. Poker has a lot more in common with those games than it does with other strategy games. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]] ([[User talk:Lee Daniel Crocker#top|talk]]) 15:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

:Here's a nice citable quote for you: "Poker is gambling. Anyone who says it's not or states that when he plays he doesn't gamble, does not understand poker as well as he should." (from "Small Stakes Hold'em"; Ed Miller, David Sklansky, and Mason Malmuth)

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Großer Beerberg

Großer Beerberg is a mountain located in the Thuringian Forest, Germany. It is the highest point in Thuringia. The nearest town is Suhl, in Ilm-Kreis.

Between Beerberg's summit and that of its eastern neighbor, Schneekopf (978 m), the second highest mountain of Thuringia, is a 60 m deep col. To the west is Sommerbachskopf (941 m).

On the summit of Beerberg is one of the few moorlands of the Thüringer Wald. Until the end of the 1980s there was an observation tower on the mountain. A few years ago a small platform was again established below the summit at Plänckners Aussicht, which offers an outstanding view to the south and southwest.

The section of the Rennsteig walkway between Oberhof and Schmücke runs across the mountain.


View of the highest mountains of the Thüringer Wald, from Simmersberg (781 m):
Adlersberg (849 m) with Neuhäuser Hügel (891 m), Großer Beerberg (partly obscured, 982 m), Wildekopf (943 m), Großer Eisenberg (907 m), Schneekopf (978 m), Großer Finsterberg (944 m) and Kleiner Finsterberg (875 m); in the foreground, Kalter Staudenkopf (768 m), Schmiedswiesenkopf (784 m) and Hohe Warth (718 m); in the left background is Pleß (645 m), 52 km away in the Rhön Mountains.
The three highest mountains of the Thüringer Wald: View from Finsterberg (third-highest, 944 m) of Großer Beerberg (left, 982 m) and Schneekopf (second highest, right); (note tower on Schneekopf)

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