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Ophiopogon japonicus
	Fruit, close-up
Scientific classification
Kingdom:	Plantae
Subkingdom:	Tracheobionta
Superdivision:	Spermatophyta
Division:	Magnoliophyta
Class:	Liliopsida
Order:	Asparagales
Family:	Ruscaceae
Genus:	Ophiopogon
Species:	O. japonicus
Binomial name
	Ophiopogon japonicus; (L.f.) Ker Gawl.

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Ophiopogon japonicus (Mondo grass, Fountain plant, monkey grass; Japanese: ryu-no-hige ("dragon's beard") or ja-no-hige ("snake's beard")) is a species of Ophiopogon native to Japan.

It is an evergreen, sod-forming perennial plant. The leaves are linear, 20-40 cm long. The flowers are white to pale lilac, borne in a short raceme on a 5-10 cm stem. The fruit is a blue berry 5 mm diameter.^[1]

In Chinese medicine Ophiopogon japonicus tuber, known as mai men dong, is the cardinal herb for yin deficiency. According to the Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica, the herb is sweet, slightly bitter and slightly cold, enters the Heart, Lung and Stomach channels and nourishes the yin of the Stomach, Spleen, Heart and Lungs and clears heat and quiets irritability. It is used for hacking dry coughs, dry tongue and mouth and constipation. Liriope (genus) is used as a substitute.^[2]

It is also grown as an ornamental plant. Several cultivars have been selected, including 'Albus' (white flowers), 'Compactus' and 'Kyoto Dwarf' (dwarf forms, not over 4-5 cm tall), and 'Silver Dragon' (variegated, with white-striped leaves). It is often sold as a decorative plant for freshwater aquaria, but because it is not a true aquatic plant, it may flourish for a few months and then die. While hardy to temperatures of about -20 °C when dormant in winter outdoors in normal soil, when kept fully submerged it requires water temperatures of 18-25 °C. It grows well in full sun or partial shade. Propagation is from side shoots.^[1]^[3]

References

^ ^a ^b Huxley, A., ed. (1992). New RHS Dictionary of Gardening. Macmillan ISBN 0-333-47494-5.
^ Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica Third Edition by Daniel Bensky, Steven Clavey, Erich Stoger and Andrew Gamble. Eastland Press, 2004
^ Hiscock, P. (2003). Encyclopedia of Aquarium Plants. Interpret Press.

Habit, in fruit

[rhs-1] Huxley, A., ed. (1992). New RHS Dictionary of Gardening. Macmillan ISBN 0-333-47494-5.

[2] Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica Third Edition by Daniel Bensky, Steven Clavey, Erich Stoger and Andrew Gamble. Eastland Press, 2004

[3] Hiscock, P. (2003). Encyclopedia of Aquarium Plants. Interpret Press.

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+'''''Ophiopogon japonicus''''' ('''Mondo grass''', '''Fountain plant''', '''monkey grass'''; [[Japanese language|Japanese]]: ''ryu-no-hige'' ("dragon's beard") or ''ja-no-hige'' ("snake's beard")) is a species of ''[[Ophiopogon]]'' native to [[Japan]].
-== Photo needs to be updated ==
-Current picture looks outdated (photographed in 2004 when he was still Chancellor) so updated photo is greatly needed. Anyone object? [[User:Hopwas2007|Hopwas2007]] ([[User talk:Hopwas2007|talk]]) 12:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
-:One thing to consider is that it is important to avoid copyright problems. As the current image is in the public domain you can only replace it with another image in the public domain or an image under an equivalent free licence (''See [[Wikipedia:Non-free content]]''). [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 18:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
-A recent photo of Rowan Atkinson would suffice [[User:Helzagood|Helzagood]] ([[User talk:Helzagood|talk]]) 18:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
-== Why the lack of positives? ==
-I usually stay away from politics and voting as I personally don't believe we live in a true democracy. That said, I am astounded by the negativity on this page. Although not a perfect PM, Brown has had some positive moments; during the horrific floods last year he showed great drive and leadership and, although not perfect, has shown a good deal of purpose on environmental issues. I suggest this article shows more balance instead of just presenting the views of our nation's sensationalist media outlets. Commend Brown on at least something! There's no need to be so negative. It's just a thought- Cheers.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.32.110.42|82.32.110.42]] ([[User talk:82.32.110.42|talk]]) 20:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-but, tbh, there are VERY few positives. he's now less popular than neville chamberlain after the german invasion of norway (and that's going some!) and has presided over turning labour from the dominant party in british politics to one 20 points down in the polls and that would lose by a landslide in an election tomorrow. i think on balance, the handling of a few minor floods is dwarfed by the calamitous decline, dithering and spending 30 billion bailing out a bank, robbing the poorest people in the country on the 10p rate,.. need i go on![[User:Jw2034|Jw2034]] ([[User talk:Jw2034|talk]]) 20:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
-I am a 'victim' of the 10p rate- big deal. The floods were not a minor issue either- you obviously need to do some research you opinionated fool. There is a world outside of the self imposed capital of everything (London).  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/195.188.41.139|195.188.41.139]] ([[User talk:195.188.41.139|talk]]) 16:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-actually, I live in Leeds.[[User:Jw2034|Jw2034]] ([[User talk:Jw2034|talk]]) 16:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
-I think the point being made here is simply that despite Gordon Brown's handling of the floods, this does not significantly reduce the impact of the controversies and bunglings that have taken place on his watch. I do not dispute that the floods were a serious issue for many people living in the affected areas, but I am afraid that a great many other blunders that Brown has been involved in have affected many more, and on a national scale. Also, please do try to avoid vilifying everybody living in London - we're not all self-obsessed, you know. [[User:Chithecynic|Chithecynic]] ([[User talk:Chithecynic|talk]]) 23:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
-For there to be any positive points in the article - there needs to be something positive worth writing abaout, which there isn't. [[User:Helzagood|Helzagood]] ([[User talk:Helzagood|talk]]) 18:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
-Even though I am a Labour supporter, I would be the first to admit that Brown has been an almost complete disaster as Prime Minister. If only there were a credible challenger he would not still be in office. ([[Special:Contributions/92.12.14.13|92.12.14.13]] ([[User talk:92.12.14.13|talk]]) 17:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC))
-Because it is Wikipedia! [[User:Lizzie_Harrison|Lizzie]][[User talk:Lizzie_Harrison|Harrison]] 17:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
-His handling of the current finincal crisis is a very big positive, hopefully he will get the credit for that. --[[Special:Contributions/92.16.212.102|92.16.212.102]] ([[User talk:92.16.212.102|talk]]) 21:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
-:It depends on the eventual outcome. There is a school of thought that if he was so eager to claim responsibility for the out-of-control boom years then how can he avoid any responsibility for the bust? However, if he does manage to get control of the economy again then it could indeed be seen as an overall positive. I would suggest waiting for now and seeing how history judges him. [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 22:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
-== Assassination plot ==
+It is an [[evergreen]], [[sod-forming]] [[perennial plant]]. The [[leaf|leaves]] are linear, 20-40 cm long. The [[flower]]s are white to pale lilac, borne in a short [[raceme]] on a 5-10 cm stem. The [[fruit]] is a blue [[berry]] 5 mm diameter.<ref name=rhs>Huxley, A., ed. (1992). ''New RHS Dictionary of Gardening''. Macmillan ISBN 0-333-47494-5.</ref>
-Should something be put about the PM's threatened attack or is that against what Wikipedia is? [[User:Nemesis646|For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646]] ([[User talk:Nemesis646|talk]]) 21:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
-:::IF it has credible 3rd party sources then [[WP:BOLD|'''be bold''']] [[User:SGGH|SGGH]] <sup>[[User_talk:SGGH|speak!]]</sup> 19:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
+In [[Chinese medicine]] ''Ophiopogon japonicus'' [[tuber]], known as mai men dong, is the cardinal herb for [[yin]] deficiency.  According to the Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica, the herb is sweet, slightly bitter and slightly cold, enters the Heart, Lung and Stomach channels and nourishes the yin of the Stomach, Spleen, Heart and Lungs and clears heat and quiets irritability.  It is used for hacking dry coughs, dry tongue and mouth and constipation. [[Liriope (genus)]] is used as a substitute.<ref>Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica  Third Edition by Daniel Bensky, Steven Clavey, Erich Stoger and Andrew Gamble. Eastland Press, 2004</ref>
-== (hons) degrees? ==
+It is also grown as an [[ornamental plant]]. Several [[cultivar]]s have been selected, including 'Albus' (white flowers), 'Compactus' and 'Kyoto Dwarf' (dwarf forms, not over 4-5 cm tall), and 'Silver Dragon' (variegated, with white-striped leaves). It is often sold as a decorative plant for freshwater [[aquarium|aquaria]], but because it is not a true aquatic plant, it may flourish for a few months and then die. While hardy to temperatures of about -20 °C when dormant in winter outdoors in normal soil, when kept fully submerged it requires water temperatures of 18-25 °C. It grows well in full sun or partial shade. Propagation is from side shoots.<ref name=rhs/><ref>Hiscock, P. (2003). ''Encyclopedia of Aquarium Plants''. Interpret Press.</ref>
-Do we list such things in wikipedia? Gordon holds many honorary degrees, an example being (from the article [[Doctor of Letters]]) the higher doctorate, D.Litt from the university of Delhi--[[User:Liamstone|Liamstone]] ([[User talk:Liamstone|talk]]) 19:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
-== Style ==
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-Does anyone know the reasons why Brown is called "Mr Brown" not "Dr Brown"? Is this his own choice? [[User:Anglicant|Anglicant]] ([[User talk:Anglicant|talk]]) 11:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
+Image:Ophiopogon japonicus1.jpg|Habit, in fruit
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-:It's rare in Britain to use the "Dr" form outside of an academic context, particularly in politics. There are a number of MPs with doctorates who never get called them - [[John Redwood]] is another - and indeed the ones who have insisted on being called "Dr" such as [[John Reid (politician)|John Reid]] are sometimes mocked for it (though don't do so to Reid's face!). Something similar happens with medical doctors, though to a lesser extent and whether they hold a health portfolio can also play a factor (from recollection [[Liam Fox]] only really started to be called "Dr Fox" in the media when he was [[Shadow Secretary of State for Health]]). [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] ([[User talk:Timrollpickering|talk]]) 13:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
+[[Category:Flora of Japan]]
+[[Category:Grasses]]
+[[fr:Muguet du Japon]]
-::Shouldn't Wikipedia surely style him as Dr, even if he doesn't style himself in such a manner? [[User:Computerjoe|Computerjoe]][[User talk:Computerjoe|<span style="color:red">'s talk</span>]] 18:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
+[[ja:ジャノヒゲ]]
-:::Wikipedia shouldn't make arbitrary decisions on whether or not to style someone in a certain way. We should always rely on sources. Doing a quick Google search for ''"Dr Gordon Brown" Prime Minister'' returns 351 results while ''"Gordon Brown" Prime Minister'' returns 3,870,000 results. What would be your justification for styling him in a way that is different to the vast majority of source material? [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 19:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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-::::One would presume someone holding a doctorate would be correctly called 'doctor'. However, I guess the article on [[Doctor (title)]] says: 'It is widely accepted that those who hold a medical or research doctorate like the M.D., M.B.B.S., D.P.M, Ph.D., or Sc.D. are entitled to prefix their names "Dr"'. I guess emphasis is placed on ''entitled'', and that Gordon Brown chooses not to style himself as such. I do ask if Wikipedia would always call someone who holds a knighthood or peerage by their style, even if they don't elect to use it. [[User:Computerjoe|Computerjoe]][[User talk:Computerjoe|<span style="color:red">'s talk</span>]] 20:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
+[[vi:Mạch môn]]
-:::::Again it would depend on the weight of sources in each case. It is not whether the individual chooses to identify themselves with or without the title, but whether the weight of sources identify them with or without the title. Wikipedia is a reflection of secondary sources, so we should not be presenting information in a way that goes against the source material unless there is an extremely good reason to do so.
-:::::That a person holds a title is a matter of fact and can be mentioned in the article with reference to one or two reliable citations. Whether the title is in common usage is more subjective and will depend on the body of evidence as a whole rather than a few isolated sources. [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 21:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
-::::::[[Donald Tsang]] is referred to as '''Sir''' Donald Tsang even though he, and the HK government, elect not to use that style. In this case, 2130 results are on Google with '''Sir''' but 168,000 without. So in this instance, what would be appropiate? [[User:Computerjoe|Computerjoe]][[User talk:Computerjoe|<span style="color:red">'s talk</span>]] 22:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::I do not know the details of that case so it is not really possible for me to comment. As I mentioned earlier, if a good case can be made to go against the weight of sources then that is what can be done. In the case of Gordon Brown, he appears to choose not to use his title, the vast majority of sources choose not to use his title and common practice in the UK is to refer to him without the title. Please provide some valid reason why you want Wikipedia to go against all these things. [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 23:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::Taking a look at the [[Donald Tsang]] case for a moment, the use of Sir appears to have been the subject of heated discussion in the past, though both sides have presented sources to support their positions. With media references used to counter arguments of personal and official government preference. As with all things on Wikipedia, it all boils down to sources. [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 23:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)