Talk:Primus (band)

Time 4 Luv

It is necessary to keep Time 4 Luv in the page, as it is important to Primus events.

No, time 4 luv isn't funny and it's something made up on the bullboard that has nothing to do with the band. No need to misslead people now.

Those Other Drummers

I noticed an edit which listed the "many variously assorted 80's drummers" got marked as vandalism and was removed, I have evidence that these people mentioned were actually in Primus at one point and are not just the editor listing him and his friends just so people all over the internet can think he was a former member of Primus (which happens a lot in other articles), I think we should add these drummers to the list, and I have no clue how that could be considered vandalism - Protozoic Waste -

Who is CG the Mexican??

I noticed that at the beginning of the article when the thoughts of the critics towards Primus' music are mentioned, there is no evidence to support that these people actually said such things. I believe a link or some other type of evidence shold be posted after quotes.

"Subliminal" Section

I think the section about subliminal messages should be deleted. All the things mentioned about the songs are just the actual song meanings. They aren't subliminal messages. And Primus isn't "known" for having subliminal messages in their songs. The fact that there are only six songs mentioned just proves it. Also, the section was made by someone who couldn't spell. I made three corrections to it. That has nothing to do with anything I've said, I just thought I'd mention it. -dayve_57

Yeah, especially because none of the "subliminal" messages are subliminal. Of course Too Many Puppies is an anti-war song. Who actually thinks it's about puppies with guns in their hands? Facamus 07:29, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

The title was changed from "subliminal messages" to "song content", I used the wrong words, thats prolly what puzzled you guys. Protozoic Waste

P.S.-Spelling doesn't nessecarily equal intellegence.

Perhaps that section could be moved into it's own article with a long list of possible Primus song meanings and references? --Z2000 03:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

The songs lose their individual meaning when disected like that. You make your own meaning out of them, and some are more blatantly obvious then others, but thats just my take on it.

Vegoose

Damn did you see them at Vegoose, their set kicked ass! They suprisingly played De Anza Jig (though Ler's banjo was messed up), Eleven (killer jam portion), and Over the Elctric Grapevine, plus their "regulars" (My Name Is Mud, American Life, Jerry Was a Racecar Driver, To Defy the Laws of Tradition, Frizzle Fry, and maybe something I'm missing). I was pleasantly suprised.

Sir Squiggly

Name

Where's the name Primus come from?

-Primus was originally called Primate until another band called The Primates threatened legal action. Les claypool allegedly selected "Primus" as the closest thing to "Primate" in the dictionary, though he has been known to claim that Primus "was the closest thing that rhymed with anus". Primus is Latin for "the first".

How do you pronounce their name?

A few things

There are at least a couple of things in here that I think need some tweaking. I wouldn't mind doing them myself, but also wanted to check in on the consensus before doing so. First, there's an allusion to Claypool getting the Carl Thompson 6 for Pork Soda and that changing things somewhat, which is about half a truth. Claypool plays a six-string bass on large portions on Sailing the Seas of Cheese, including, notably, on "Tommy the Cat". Also, there's the here that "Wynona..." makes them big stars in a way they hadn't before, and the sense I have is that it gave them something of a boost in popularity, but, as the "...Seas of Cheese" entry suggests, that record was considered itself something of an alternative (or whatever) classic. Pork Soda sold quite well, but it isn't the difference between Bleach and Nevermind or anything like that; it's a much slower build we're talking about in this case and they're never really an enormously popular band. There is reputedly some dissent in the band after that, but there's also reputedly dissent in the band before Pork Soda; I don't think the "Behind the Music" trajectory is theirs, especially if you look at the way musicians seem to come and go in projects Les Claypool's been involved with since the Sausage record or so. Also, I think I would generally agree that the Brown Album is less well-regarded than other records, but we don't really have any evidence of that; anyone know of any reviews or other things we can use to demonstrate this? Adbarnhart 19:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

After a band becomes really sucessful, their earlier work becomes more regarded. Before "Wynona..." Primus were a rock sensation, but Wynona was their first and only song to break the Top 40, SSOC is considered a classic today because when critics look back most of them think it was their best album. Thats all I can help you with -Protozoic Waste

Requires disambiguation. NB I believe 'Primus' (stoves) is a trademark. -- Toby Woodwark 05:04, 2004 Apr 13 (UTC)

Misc

I Monte eliot believe primus is the best band in the world I Protozoic Waste agree

I can't find any-where in this article that says where this band is from. Are they English, Canadian, Bolivian, what?

-They are from, mainly, El Sobrante, California, a suburb of San Francisco, just north of San Francisco.

The original version of Frizzle Fry was on Caroline Records. I believe Prawn song didn't exist until 1994 when Riddles Are Abound Tonight was released.

Beavis has no Primus connection

Someone said that "The video to "Riddles Are Abound Tonight" - featuring the band in blue leotards performing on stationary bicycles - was the impetus for Beavis's Cornholio character when it appeared on Beavis and Butt-head."

The idea for Cornholio was just something Mike Judge thought of, just something that he saw kids doing. He says that himself in the newest DVD that came out, ppl need to check facts here! I went ahead and got rid of the last bit of that line that connects the two. Hope you all dont mind.

Brown Album

This has to be one of the most POV pieces I've ever read. Basically every sentence is ridiculously slanted against this album. As a huge Primus fan, the Brown Album is maybe my favorite album. Also, to say that Brain's drumming is inferior to Alexander's is a ridiculous statement. Brain is considered one of the foremost studio drummers, and is highly sought after. To compare the two is ridiculous. The only reason I'm not going to edit it is because I am such a huge fan of this album I wouldn't want to slant it the other way. It is in DESPERATE need of change though. Flannel 00:59, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Airheads

I have removed the citation for Primus playing the winner of the battle of the bands in the movie Airheads. That isn't true, the band "Sons of Thunder" was made up of Monty Colvin, Alan Doss, Ben Huggins, and Mitchell Dane Sonnier, who are members of the band Galactic Cowboys.

New Primus Information

I edited this page with new information about the Primus greatest hits album and their Fall/Winter 2006 Tour but it was taken down. All this information is available on the Primus website.

I took it down because you didn't cite anything. Was that so horrible that you had to blank my userpage and put "i love penis" on it? You shouldn't try to make that kind of claim without some back-up. Because, you know, how would we have known the site said it? In fact, I already summed this up in my edit summary. --Machchunk | make some noise at me 22:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

"How could we have known the site said it?" You could go to the Primus website(which I cited).

You completely missed the point. You were the only one that knew what the site said. Now nobody else saw or knew that. So now the situation is there's this guy coming in and making an edit totally out of the blue with nothing to back him up. You should've said the site said it in the first place.

That still doesn't explain why you went out of your way to blank my page and put "i love penis". --Machchunk | make some noise at me 01:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I too knew what the site said because I am a capable navigator of the Internet. Also I love penis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.97.233.57 (talk • contribs)

Maybe people don't necessarily care enough or have the time to have a window up on their site all the time and refresh every 10 seconds only to see if there is anything new with the band?

Besides, I have the article watchlisted. You'd think there would be a reason I reverted that. As I said, no ref = rv. --Machchunk | make some noise at me 14:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Currently above history

On every other band page I've seen on Wikipedia, information is presented in roughly chronological order. Why is the Primus page different? Why is the newest information first instead of last? To me, this suggests an intent to promote rather than inform and a POV violation. Unless anyone has a good reason for placing this new information first, I'm going to move this section to the end. (I'll wait 24 hours to see if anyone has a quick answer first.) Paul Armstrong 05:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Because the "Currently" section isn't part of their history. The "Currently" sections are supposed to chronicle what's happening now, not what they already did.

If you were just a casual user of Wikipedia, only doing research and stuff, and you saw that the band is still going, you'd want to know what they're doing presently right then and there, right? Instead of having to wade through all that backstory? --Machchunk | make some noise at me 14:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I can understand where that reasoning is coming from; however, I've viewed many other pages about bands on Wikipedia and every one of them starts with the history first, and then details current activities after. So, with all due respect, I don't find your reason to be convincing. It is my opinion that the informally established format (history first) ought to apply to Primus as well, so I'm moving the "Currently" section after the History. Paul Armstrong 06:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The reason is valid, I've seen the same opinion relating to other articles, including non-band articles, and I strongly agree with it. Just because it isn't done this way on other currently active band articles doesn't make it wrong. It's not promotion and there isn't a POV. The latest info should be on top; the user should not have to dig through an article for the latest information. Also Tool. --Hobbes747 14:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

family guy ref

what episode makes a ref about primus? i havent seen it.

blind illusion and bonnaroo

some one should put in that they played at bonnaroo 04 and include the band "blind illusion" that les played in previous to primus.primus also played a show in wisconsin in 05 at a festival titled hedgepeth ..spelling may be incorrect , these things may be considered suitable to this article..hope somebody else thinks so...-butter

From what I can see, Hedgpeth is mentioned. But not Bonnaroo. --Machchunk | make some noise at me 01:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Jerry was a race car driver

The "Captain Peirce" of the Richmond fire department was a real person; I knew a guy on the RFD and he told me that he was a firefighter who did retire. I can't cite a source, should this be added to the "Song content" section? Cranialsodomy 20:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Pee Wee Herman influence?

Perhaps this is completely irrelevant, but I found some interesting nods to Pee Wee Herman throughout Primus's Career.

• Danny Elfman's soundtrack to Pee Wee big adventure was used by the band as the lead up music before comming on stage during their 'Tour De Fromage'
• Les and the gang made extensive use of 'headlight glasses' during the show. Headlight glasses were featured in Pee Wee's big adventure
• After learning the Alamo dosn't have a basement, Pee Wee dresses up in a loud and gaudy cowboy outfit that is a very close match to the outfits worn in Primus's "Winona's big brown beaver" music video.
  

I haven't heard any of the band members talk about Pee Wee explicitly, but 'The Pee Wee Herman Show' would have been airing while the band members had just formed up, and could easily have been viewed by band members. Anyone else notice any other references to Pee Wee in Primus's work? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.113.204.223 (talk) 04:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

Photo subtitle error???

Im probably being stupid here, but isn't the subtitle under the first picture "Primus, left to right: Les Claypool, Tim Alexander, Larry LaLonde in a promo picture circa 1995" incorrect? I thought it was actually L-R Tim "Herb" Alexander, Larry "Ler" LaLonde and then the dirty ol' Les Claypool in that order.

Can any y'all fix it? I'm too lazy to work it out myself. And maybe a little stupid. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.74.195.206 (talk) 09:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

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Removal of excess non-free images

Hi folks, I've removed the piles of non-free images from the discography section again. I think these serve their purpose in the Primus discography article, as they serve to illustrate the albums, and album art is often important when considering themes etc presented in an album. However, here they serve as little other than decorative and space-filling.

Overuse of non-free images is a violation of our policy on nonfree images/media. Please don't re-add them again, because there's no good reason to add them here. Riana ⁂ 09:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Re-adding the images while logged out is highly counterproductive. I strongly recommend that whoever is doing this stops immediately. Riana ⁂ 16:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Original Primus breakup

It says in the article that the original Primus (Claypool, Huth, Lane) were active from 1984 until 1988. Is this correct, because Claypool not only auditioned for Metallica in 1986 but joined Blind Illusion and recorded and toured with them, where he met Larry LaLonde and resigned along with him to reform Primus. This sort of makes it sound like the original Primus broke up in 1986. If I'm wrong (I probably am) could somebody explain what was happening there? 75pickup (talk · contribs) 03:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Wynona, Song Context, Collaborators, Discography, Brown

Does anyone know what Wynona's big brown beaver is about (about a vagina?) or rather who Wynona is, and whether Winona Rider knows the real truth about the song. Have any members of Primus ever met her (she's from Petaluma, not far from Les's house and where they often perform in the Phoenix).

I believe there is a lot of information missing in the "song content" section, if you agree that it is important (maybe not so much for groups like Back Street Boys). To say that many of Primus' songs have political undertones is almost an understatement considering the Cheese and Halucinogenics tours. They have had political and social commentary in their lyrics since the very beginning: The Pressman, To defy the laws of tradition, DMV, Return to Sathington Willoughby, Pudding Time, Seas of Cheese, Here come the bastards, Sgt. Baker, American Life, Eleven, etc.... One can go on and on, and I'm sure there are songs I still don't quite understand to this day. Anyone who was present at the Cheese or Halucinogenics tours (or has seen the videos) can easily understand the anti-war message put forward with their images, the lyrics of the respective performed albums and the newest anti-bush songs (not to mention "These Damn Blue Collared Tweekers" about Bush Sr. and Co. "while curious George's drug patrol is out here hunting snipe"). On top of the Song content there are several entries about who have collaborated with Les Claypool & Primus missing, including those in side groups, his & Brain's most recent work with Tom Waits (on Real Gone and Orphans) and not to mention Tom Waits as voice of Tommy the Cat.

Most of all I would like to say that the remark about Anti-Pop being a "'return to form' by most long term Primus fans, featuring harder edge song-writing fans had been craving" seems out of place or needs some source here. I would agree that it was well produced and it is an amazing album, but the question remains whether the title Anti-pop (a remark on U2's album Pop?) is meant to be ironic, since it was the most "produced" album they have had, and although it does not come near to Santana's "Supernatural" is not really Anti-pop in the sense. Perhaps Primus was predicting MTV's rejection of Laquerhead...

Also, there is much lacking in information about the Brown album. Considering it makes up a third of the subject matter of the title of that section, it is surprisingly lacking to have only one line about the album. Is there any information about the equipment used for recording this album? (analog equipment?), or whether it was on purpose that the Vinyl-LP was released with a nice color jacket and the CD only with a cheap thin paper non-color booklet? I used to have a few of their albums on LP before my whole collection of vinyl was stolen, and I really liked the sound on the Brown Album. "The Brown Album was a departure from previous Primus work." It would be good if you explained what you meant by this line. If you compare any of their albums to the rest I am sure you could easily say the same about each one. Each album, although truly Primus in nature is like a redefinition of their sound (for example Coddingtown-just listen to that Upright Bass!!! And that fast guitar riff, the drums smashing through the song... and well I'm biased cuz I'm from Santa Rosa. The only distinction that I would mention is that there was probably a clear influence from their newest member Brain, as it was their first LP with him. But in this case you could compare Primus albums to Les Claypool's solo albums which could often almost be sold as Primus albums. If anything you could say that the Brown Album had elements that other albums had as well: a heavy catchy bass line with funny lyrics in Shake hands with Beef, as well as in Fisticuffs with a good narative, a funky upright bass, autobiographical pieces, songs that alternate between Ler and Les playing the main parts, solos and of course the creative distorted almost dischordant Primus trademark sound that keeps us Primus fans addicted and buying albums as soon as they are released. You don't buy Primus' album after their single is released or after they get good reviews, you just buy it, or download it, or burn it, and then you consume it, hear it, and feel it, groove to it, drive to it, or snowboard to it, or spread your mind to it.... Of course any review of an album is going to be biased, but at least list sources if you write so called fans' opinions.

Last of all the question about the The Beat A Dead Horse Tour. Why did they name it that? Could it be they didn't want to do a "Greatest Hits tour" and felt it was "a dead horse" horse that too many bands with long history's had done? How many rock bands do we know that reunite after years only to play their greatest hits and little to no new material? I'm sure no one would complain, especially since the did release the Animals Should... EP with their DVD, and since they aren't coming out of the woodwork after years of stagnation, but rather continuing to do what they do best.

So any rumours about a new album release?

Pronunciation of name please

It would be helpful if the pronunciation of the band's name were given in the article. Thanks 24.90.17.134 00:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Why? It's Pry-mus. I don't see any other way it could be pronounced. Roman Dog Bird 20:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)