User talk:Orangemike

== Gambit PUblishing

Mike, Please note that the reason for my putting in this page was mainly so people can differentiate it from other companies with similar sounding names. This is a service for those searching to find the right company. I notice that Gambit Publications, the chess company I am trying to separate from my company, Gambit Publishing, has a Wikipedia page. Why don't you delete that one? I don't think they're notable.

Gail Glaser

COI at Violet Blue

Hello Mike,

I must say I don't agree with your decision to stamp a COI at Violet Blue. While its true her boyfriend edits the article, I find the dangers of this to the wikipedia-reader minimal for a number of reasons. 1) The article doesn't contain any value statements or implications which aren't sourced 2) He is open about his identity 3) he actively displays respect for core WP tenants and many times has sought feedback and respected consensus.

At any rate, editor User:BenBurch is consistently deferring to you instead of providing reasons for its inclusion in the article. If you have some, I'd like to know them but honestly I find it a very strong tag, especially given that there is no rationale for it on the talk page. In a sense, by giving no rationale, it is unfixable. If you believe the mere presence of Blue's boyfriend in the edit history is enough, I urge you to consider the above and re-survey his activities on the Talk page. Also, I must say there are plenty of articles edited by their subjects without the tag--this one seems clean. Please provide some rationale so that we may mitigate the article and things there can cool off.Yeago (talk) 06:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I started an entry at WP:COIN --BenBurch (talk) 15:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Please respond to this message. -Chunky Rice (talk) 18:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Alan Cabal

Hi: Would you kindly provide your opinion about the deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_July_3#Alan_Cabal for the article about Alan Cabal? Sincerely, Manhattan Samurai (talk) 14:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Per WP:EL and talk page?

On this edit: if you look again at the talk page you'll see no consensus there for removing the link to this page. -- Hoary (talk) 22:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Myspace is acceptable IF it is the official page for the subject of the article, correct? "Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject—and not prohibited by restrictions on linking—one should avoid" and then MySpace is one of the listed items... So the official-ness of the MySpace page needs to be determined... (I'm only butting in because I encountered this on another article recently.) --BenBurch (talk) 22:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I made a comment on the article's talk page about her official page having a prominent link to that Myspace page. --Enric Naval (talk) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

We only give 'em one link to an "official page"; otherwise we'd have four or five links to their official pages at MySpace, Facebook, YouTube, etc., etc. There's a link to her official official page; that's all we should allow, per WP:EL. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah! OK! --BenBurch (talk) 03:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

WorkflowOne

Hello, I am unsure the procedure to contest deletions, however, there was one near the top of this page. I would like to know why the WorkflowOne page was deleted. This was my first attempt at starting a wikipedia entry from scratch, so the format was very rough and there was not much content added to it (since I had only worked on it for half a day before it was deleted). As I had put on the talk page of it, I am trying to adhere to the criteria for wikipedia pages and cited two pages, SAP AG and Microsoft that I was using as templates. There are other similar company pages with the same format, so I am confused why WFO was deleted while the others have remained for months. If you could inform me on how to improve my entry, I would be more than happy to change it to meet the standards. Again I apologize if the entry was against any criteria, but it was a fault of my inexperience and not my intent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swirlicious (talk • contribs) 13:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC) Just found the comment on the mytalk page, sorry —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swirlicious (talk • contribs)

Monaghan Media

Thanks! TN‑X-Man 14:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Boo hoo. Nasty man insulted me, Mommy :)

Grow up. End of story — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hommybeg (talk • contribs)

What?!

You are joking, right?

Take a look at our website, which is what you do to check for copyright violation.

No matter what I do, or how I word my article, someone deletes it. What chance does that give me?

I note that Wildhorn's Dracula production article remains on this site. Why have you chosen to delete our article time and time again?

When I did include an independent press source for our production being recognised, some editor tapped in some lines of it into Google and... yep! The quote, from the noted London theatre critic, is on our site. So, our article disappears because the quote is elsewhere on the internet... Our own site! Admit it. You are biased against our work. Otherwise we'd be on here as a bona fide article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hommybeg (talk • contribs) — Hommybeg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

I never heard of either of you; I just don't approve of attempts to use Wikipedia to advertise oneself. (And WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is never a valid article for retention of an inappropriate article.) What is the name of the other article you feel violates the guidelines as yours did? --Orange Mike | Talk 15:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

As you have pointed out, I am no longer allowed to contribute an article of historical / educational fact to an online encyclopaedia. No matter that the productions exists and has been favourably critiqued by a noted London theatre critic in a recognised Arts magazine. The original article, which briefly appeared on Wikipedia, was not written by me. It was deleted. However, after I was informed there were some copyright issues, I decided to submit a very edited version of my own, as the copyright holder. Believe me, the production does not need any form of Wikipedia “advertising”. The article was very factual. Not even a logo, as the Wildhorn Dracula entry has. Now that’s what I call advertising…with tons of links to their various sites and people involved. I also believe there is another Dracula production listed on Wikipedia too. (Just type in Dracula musical). In short, thanks for being particularly officious and aggressively dogmatic regarding my few lines of valid information, regarding our production within UK theatre.

Other than that, best wishes to you and your, otherwise, fine team.

(Hommybeg (talk) 09:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC))

Yes. I’m sure there are “various” editors involved in the creation of such pages. However, that does not explain why our production is not represented on Wikipedia. We have as much right as Wildhorn & co to have an article entry here, do we not? Ultimately, we only wanted some reference to our independently funded professional musical that has taken eight years of hard work to get this far. I’ll try to get some independent editor to write a few lines about the production for future reference purposes. If only to confirm that a stage musical, commercial CD and a currently televised video exists of our work.

Anyway, all the best to you.

(Hommybeg (talk) 19:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC))

Your personal attack in your last message to me only confirms my suspicion that you are extremely biased and blinkered in your personal opinons and limited knowledge of the articles you ”edit” (aka delete).

You - Quote - “The Wildhorn version has gotten significant press (by no means all favorable). Yours has not; it's just one of the many Drac musicals out there (two this season, plus a panto, in London alone). End of story”.

More misinformation. Both inaccurate and uninformed personal opinions (again) and deliberately insulting to the people that have worked so hard on this production.

If you’d taken to time to view the appropriate information, including the very favourable critique by a noted West End critic, you might have gleaned the fact that our original musical production of Bram Stoker’s novel more than deserves to be, at least, referenced on Wikipedia. Therefore, you have confirmed that you are biased, if not personally biased, against our professional production of Bram Stoker’s Dracula, the musical. Also, as the creative team is Welsh (a minority nation), I shall take it that you are also racist. In favour of musicals written by non-Welsh people and so obviously against entering a perfectly factual article about our production. You are deliberately persecuting us and our production by writing to me in such an insulting way and as a supposedly intelligent man. End of story.

Thanks for nothing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hommybeg (talk • contribs) — Hommybeg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

And you still cannot properly justify a perfectly reasonable and balanced reference to our production being deleted? Ultimately, the messaging between us no longer concerns me. I am aware of where we stand regarding any unbiased reference to our hard won production being referenced here. Thanks for the exchange of words.

Scaleform page

I've added in third party references and tried to neutralize the language. Is there anything else you can suggest that would remove this page from candidates for deletion? Other companies in our industry have articles on Wikipedia (and I know that's not really a valid point, but I am trying to find out why their articles can stay and this one is a deletion candidate). Can you give me some indication why the page wouldn't be notable? It would be helpful to get a bit more help before the page is completely deleted. I understand the COI issue but I am trying to NOT make this sound like a promotion. As far as I am aware we are the only Flash-based user interface middleware provider in the games industry, and we have received quite a bit of industry attention, particularly in the last year or so.Thanks for your help, as I am a completely new Wiki user. I would say I am a bit disappointed that someone else went in and deleted the page so quickly, when I was trying to get some help from you. Wendrew (talk) 17:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)Wendrew

RE: Tin Man (band)

I was working on the article adding in the references when you deleted. I have a back up and will be updating it soon. I understand your reasoning for deleting something so soon, so I am not bitter, just wanted to say I was on the case :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Readikus (talk • contribs)

Unblock Request

Please see User talk:AnnalisaShanghai. Thanks, Tiptoety ^talk 02:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

It appears to have been resolved. Cheers, Tiptoety ^talk 02:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

David Boudia

Hi. I see you've deleted this article whilse I was trying to expand it :-) Personally, I think he's notable as he's won gold, silver and bronze medals at various world diving competitons (see [1]), and is also apparently a member of the US 2008 diving squad. I think this therefore qualifies under WP:ATHLETE. CultureDrone (talk) 14:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. Can you have another quick look and see if it's now notable. The problem here is, although there's an awful lot of articles about him, most are related to competition results and not him as a person, so expanding the textual part is problematical. :-) CultureDrone (talk) 14:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm indifferent to sports in general as well - I just picked up on the notability of this one as he seems to be an Olympic hopeful. Anyway, I'll have another stab at the article shortly. Thanks for your help :-) CultureDrone (talk) 15:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Nelson Blake II article

Nelson Blake's work can be verified online and his work is important to popular culture. I'm confused as to how this article isn't pertinent as Wikipedia needs to have records of creators in its' database. I am NOT Nelson Blake, so this isn't self promotion. I'm very confused as to why you deleted this. --HillMarketing (talk) 14:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Links For The Different Necronomicons

On the Necronomicon Talk Page, you asked for the links for the different Necronomicons. Actually, there is more than seven. The first link has the Black-Letter Edition by John Dee, the Spanish Edition, and the German Edition

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/necronomiconresearch

The next link has the Black-Letter Edition, the R'lyeh Text, the Turner Necronomicon, the Yellow Necronomicon, the Necronmicon Spell Book, and the Simon Edition.

http://satanicsingles.com/library.jsp

Here is a link for the Ripel Necronomicon, the Italian Edition.

http://www.geocities.com/theerium/necronomicon

There. You now have the links to get all of them except for the Latin Edition, Greek Edition, the Voynich Manuscript Edition, and the Arabic Original. Also, I backtracked the history of the Necronomicon to John Dee, finding all versions to his time period. Before that it drops off the map. Couldn't find anything beyond Dee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.4.248.195 (talk) 01:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Conga rats

Thanks for the info, now I know. However, I still like the mental picture of little rats with sombreros dancing to latino music...--Ramdrake (talk) 14:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Los Congueros de Hamelin.... ROTFLMHO!!!--Ramdrake (talk) 14:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Old Town, Chicago

I put this on the Old Town Discussion page. Nice to run into you again. Old Town could use some work. Didn't it used to be the center of the world?

A section on Latino history in Old Town was (probably correctly) removed. The language seemed somewhat provocative and the reference provided might not be considered reliable, since it comes from a (former?) gang, the Young Lords.

That said Latino history in Old Town, the ethnic conflict, gangs, etc. shouldn't be smoothed over. I'll put one link here (connected to the link removed) [2]. Maybe somebody could handle these topics in a somewhat less "in your face" manner. (or maybe Orange M and myself are just getting older).

Smallbones (talk) 15:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Center of the world? I thought that was Hype Park.... --Orange Mike | Talk 16:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The ACTUAL Center is in Hyde Park, but is stored at the Oriental Institute having been looted from the ruins of Akkad by the late Dr. Henry Walton Jones, Jr. in 1928. --BenBurch (talk) 04:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Dance Party USA

This edit doesn't seem to match its edit-summary. Maybe reverted to wrong version? DMacks (talk) 17:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Aw man, you were busy fixing while I was busy writing this note:) DMacks (talk) 18:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Could you have a look

Editor keeps putting this article back on wiki and has posible COI. BigDunc^Talk 20:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorted now article deleted again and editor indef blocked. BigDunc^Talk 21:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

BalkanBet

The author of BalkanBet contacted me on IRC asking for the page to be undeleted so they could improve it. Could you, by any chace, userfy this page and let them know that you've done so? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Chirps•Clams•Chowder)} 17:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, you might want to talk to the editor then if you haven't. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Chirps•Clams•Chowder)} 18:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hello! Thank you for blocking the user with the name "Montanalottery." I had reported that earlier in the afternoon, as the user was editing the article on Montana Lottery. However, my report didn't raise any concerns. When I checked the user's latest contribution, for the Fantasy Sports Wagering article that I tagged for Speedy Deletion (and which you deleted), I thought something was strange since the article was just a link to the Montana Lottery web site. Odd, but before this I didn't realise they even had a lottery in Montana -- at least I learned something from this. Be well! Ecoleetage (talk) 20:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: CAFETY

Wow...so giving Congressional testimony and being instrumental in drafted legislation isn't sufficiently noteworthy? I didn't even have the opportunity to complete the reference structure and make the case for rebuttal before the article was deleted in mid-edit!

Please explain why this does not qualify. - Wikiwag 20:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Orangemike. You have new messages at Wikiwag's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Please keep conversation regarding Community Alliance for the Ethical Treatment of Youth concentrated on its talk page as much as possible. Thank you. • Freechild'sup? 14:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Beat Poets (band)

Hi. I'm a bit confused as you seem to have removed the Speedy tag and changed it to a PROD. Considering that a hangon tag was placed to dispute deletion doesn't that mean that the article doesn't meet the PROD criteria as PROD is supposed to be for non-contentious deletions. Or am I misunderstanding the policy? Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Omni Hotels & ISM, et. al

I really appreciate your help with this. Let me know if there's anything further I can do to help. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 20:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Pocket Venus (Band)

Hello Mike,

I have been producing the Pocket Venus article and improving the content of the article when it was deleted today. As far as I'm aware the band are notable as they are one of the few unsigned bands to have been played on BBC Radio 1 prime time and was wondering if you could please un-delete the article so that I may carry on inputting information and making the wiki entry "more notable". Thanks.

Eldeviante.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldeviante (talk • contribs) — Eldeviante (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

A band member wrote an article... How it should be?

Deleted?

Dear Mike! We are very very disappointed. I had to collect information about the activity of a talented artist from the last 14(!) years. The leader of the present art project(Trinity's Breakfast) is a multitalented guy from the Eastern European area. The influences of his works, films(!), articles on the Eastern European popmusic scene got stronger and stronger in the years.

His Name is Zoltan Marton, but for him would be respectful if we recognized him through his present project, the Trinity's Breakfast. Zoltan Marton was the leader and producer of dozens of projects, bands as songwriter, studio engineer, singer, musician, teacher and video director as well.

He was even developing some new recording technologies...

His life wasn't really a fairy tale. He had to leave his country many times, because of the unbearable cultural air ...we could say political reasons. You know we are Hungarians, but thank God we can tell our story once... maybe for that part of the world which was't betrayed.

The people in Hungary are looking for him and looking for his music which was actually banned, because of jealousy. Now he is 33 years old, and he is hiding now from stages, but trying to collect all his works... this is a fight and this is a story that people are gonna read. So I want to ask you to be a partner of making a note about a living legend. http://www.myspace.com/trinitysbreakfast http://www.youtube.com/user/molekulaTV

The Article was not finished at all. I have deleted the under const. code because of estetical reasons.

At the talk page I said I am member of Trinity's Breakfast. And?

I am the wife of Zoltan Marton as well. And? Is this a problem sir?

Please use your imagination to accept that this case is not about a kid from the mama's house having the first myspace band with a guitar in the papa's garage.

We are in a misunderstanding with you I'm sure: It is a fact that the article is about a band for the first look, but we could recognize Trinity's Breakfast as a label or a symbol of a strong cultural line based on only one guy called Zoltan Marton.

The size of the finished article would be four times bigger and much more detailled...

So, please can you give me back the chance to make a note in the cyberspace about somebody who probably deserve it?

I would appreciate it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamarapilot (talk • contribs) — Tamarapilot (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Mentorship

Hi. I'm not sure what the proper way to go about this is but, was wondering if you'd be willing to help me learn the ropes a bit better around here. If you'd be willing to investigate me a bit you can have a look at my userpage, usertalk, contribs, etc. I only get to use a PC M-F but, want to contribute as much as I reasonably can while also getting my "real" job done. Thanks. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Page move

Someone moved the page about me, inserting a period in the title where there shouldn't be one. I've asked him to move it back and inserted an explanation on the talk page, but do you think you might be able to move the page back to where it belongs? Shsilver (talk) 12:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Malaysia

Hi Orange I'm currently sorting out the Malaysian towns and villages putting them in simplified categories as standard. Could you stand by and delete the categories and I fix them, thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll be back later to finish recattting ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 14:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi can you continue deleting them again. Cheers ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi theres 8 more to rid of. I've finished restructuing Malaysia now,. It is neatly under Category:Cities, towns and villages in Malaysia by state. Thanks for your help ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 20:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: ISM Advertising Agency/copyright infirngement?

Hi Mike, you deleted the article I wrote about ISM, saying it was a copyright infringement. What do you mean? There was no copyright infringement there that I could see. And they are very notable- the owner is ranked alongside Richard Branson and Michael Eisner in the industry as one of it's visionaries! Could you please un-delete the article? Travelfiend (talk) 13:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

what the crap

deleting the article on RDA Systems. It's not spamming when the article is about how important the company was in the 80s and 90s ! Ixasilent (talk) 18:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Why was the article for the TransferJet Consortium deleted?

The deletion of this page seems like a bad idea. The TransferJet Consortium is a consortium of many large companies (as was noted on the page) that exists to create a new wireless standard. I fail to see how this doesn't meet the criteria for being a Wikipedia entry. You stated that it didn't indicate the importance of the group. I fail to see how the page didn't qualify. They existed to create a new standard for consumer electronics devices to communicate with one another. Zencyde (talk) 18:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It seems that the article was deleted because the organization has yet to prove itself as "significant." What needs to happen before a new high-tech industry organization deserves an article on the Wikipedia? How many independent news articles do I need to site? Do they need to obtain formal recognition in their respective countries before the org. moves from "dreaming" to reality? If I read one more news article about the TransferJet Consortium, I will recreate the article. --137.201.242.130 (talk) 19:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Your IP address resolves to a corporate server at Micron; is your parent company either part of or opposed to the TransferJet concept? Either way, you could be argued to have a conflict of interest on this topic. If anybody feels the new proposal is genuinely notable (even though it's just a proposal so far), and is thinking about creating a new article, they should be using reliable sources, rather than the press releases so thick in the link above this entry. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to the previous poster when you're asking about IP address as my IP is from an AT&T residential DSL line. Also, when you refer to news posts, I assume you're referring to new articles rather than news posts from different websites, correct? Verification on this would be nice. Zencyde (talk) 14:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The article for TransferJet was also deleted

I also fail to see how the page for TransferJet was considered "advertising". It's a technology standard that shows potential for being put into a significant number of consumer electronics devices. I'd say it's hardly advertising and more of a creation of a page to allow reader to find information on it. If it were simply a product I'd understand; but, it's a standard. Zencyde (talk) 19:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Jackopierce and Brandi Carlile

Could you take a look at what has happened on these two pages since the COI editor was blocked? An anon user is removing the templates you added to the top of the articles, and the publicity photos have been uploaded to Commons (now suddenly with GNU license instead of copywrite) and readded to both articles. I'm not quite sure how to proceed, other than reverting the COI and advert templates back on to the articles. Thanks much -- Foetusized (talk) 21:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again -- Foetusized (talk) 14:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Zephaniah Band

I was adding the copyright citation as the article was deleted in the process. is there a problem still? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parkel01 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The band is on a list of the american power metal bands. Alot of those bands are unsigned and not on any national tour.. Maybe those should be thoroughly gone through also if there is a problem. This is not just an advertisement. The band is doing very well, though unsigned like some of the other power metal bands on the power metal list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parkel01 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

aeq.

Hi Orangemike.

First of all, you could have gave me at least some time to take notice of the message that was placed in my talk page about the tagging of the article in question (aeq.) and contest the speedy template if that was the case.

Secondly, Wikipedia:Soft redirect states that: "soft redirects (...) are not subject to A1 - A8 speedy deletion criteria" (you used criterion A3).

Third, you should have checked whether there were articles linking to it after you deleted the page. There was a redirect at aeq.

For these reasons, and because I believe it does improve the project (I did need to look it up myself before I created it), I'm going to restore the article.

Waldir ^talk 17:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Could You Have A Look

Not to sure if these contributions are classed as spam. Could you clarify for me thanks. BigDunc^Talk 19:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

ISM Advertising article

Hi Mike, apologies for the location of my last comment. As for copying- no I didn't copy anything. Can't- their site is all Flash. I'm a student at UMASS Amherst, studying marketing for the travel and tourism industry. This company is mentioned in one of my text books, and they have been guest speakers here, too- the professors cite them as the 'benchmark' in the industry. I thought that was very notable, and everyone here certainly agrees! Travelfiend (talk) 21:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Help?

Hello Mike
Could you have a look at an altercation I've been having with an editor at 217.140.254.122. (I'm asking because I know you have a robust attitude to things!) What he's producing is a vast number of inconsequential, or badly formed, or unreferenced, or plain wrong edits. And he's not really responding to any queries. I thought it might be something simple, like not using the preview, or having trouble with english, but I'm wondering now if it's something more deliberate.
What do you think?
Xyl 54 (talk) 16:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

PS: The same guy seems to be editing from 86.114.62.132 and 86.114.18.160 also. Xyl 54 (talk) 16:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Ben Alekzsander Williams

Hi. Not sure why this was salted. You noted in the protection log "recreated deleted material" though the article with that title was only created (and deleted) one time. Please act on the unprotection request. Thanks. - Rjd0060 (talk) 23:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I figured I was missing something. Thanks for the note. - Rjd0060 (talk) 14:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes...

Hello Mike. Please can you take the words of Rjd0060 and please un-protect the 'Ben Alekzsander Williams' page. Thankyou :) CrackersTeam 15:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Slapped wrist

Sorry. New to this. Appreciate your comments (after my initial moment of crossness!). Cameduservices (talk) 15:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Portishead Town Band

Orangemike.

Please could you explain your decision to remove the portishead town band page? I was working hard to improve the level of content, based on feedback from you guys. I've provided details on notability as requested and without warning im back to square one.

The Band is a valid item for inclusion, but I am happy to comply with your rules. Going round in circles created a page and having it deleted in not in either of our interests.

PaulFamousfieldy (talk) 02:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, I note a page with lesser detail that seems to have been allowed. Lanner and District Silver Band

Hope this allows some comparison. PaulFamousfieldy (talk) 02:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:BITE ! New wiki-user, two hours old page and you speedied it. How about _helping_ a newbie in need of guidance, not just killing the article? 8-( Andy Dingley (talk) 02:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America

Could you please restore Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America? I found the following references which demonstrate notability.

• http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2008/07/06/20080706biz-fightingforeclosure0706s.html Foreclosure fighter hits Phoenix
• http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/16836412/detail.html
• http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080720/BUSINESS/807200331/1003/BUSINESS

I noticed the article in the speedy category, and would have added these references if I had seen the article earlier. --Eastmain (talk) 03:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Edward Ludbrook - Notability

I appreciate your Notability rules and include some third party reference materials. The challenge with your rules is that they do not fit with all environments. If notability is measured in that recognised by the government, media or retail stores then your system is flawed.

The Direct Sales industry is a massive US$100billion+ global industry in over 100 countries, 10,000 companies and over 67 million people worldwide. Its media imprint is limited as it sells without media advertising, not through retail stores. The notable people in this industry will not register on the normal channels.

The fact is that Ed Ludbrook is internationally notable in the Direct Sales world. He is Europe’s best-selling author on the subject of Direct Sales and one of the world’s best-selling authors. 2million copies in 20 languages. Books in this industry are not sold through retail stores, they are sold through independent agents, see www.knowledgeisking.co.uk, www.spectrummarketing.com.au

What is interesting is that Wikipedia is very happy to classify someone like NZ author/poet Albert Wendt to be notable yet Ed, who has sold 20 times as many books and is actually NZ’s best-selling business author ever, would not be considered. Should the fact he does not seek or need government, academic and media recognition matter?

We also assume that media and government profile is also not important for notability otherwise Wikipedia would never recognise people like Christian author/speaker such as John Bevere.

I also thought I would add a couple of extra links that you might like to peruse for Ed's Notability!

http://www.leadershipgurus.net/leadershipgurus30.php Ed is ranked number 23 in the world top leadership gurus. To see the criteria for this go to http://www.leadershipgurus.net/leadership_award.html Other people who feature in the Top 30 include Steven Covey, Anthony Robbins, Jim Collins, John Maxwell, Tom Peters to name just a few! All of whom appear on Wikipedia!

http://networkmagazyn.pl/article/nawidelcu/nawidelcu_16_p08.html Please see the article (although in Polish) is in Poland's top Network Marketing Magazine where Ed features on the front page alongside Donald Trump.

I would be grateful if you could please re-instate Ed Ludbrook's profile. Many thanks--MarciaThomas (talk) 03:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)