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American Idol contestants

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Non-notable reality TV contestants. Either delete, or redirect all to American Idol (season 6) --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 02:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Found 38,000 g-hits. Just looking through the first couple pages I found two independent sources, which makes me think that a diligent search will demonstrate notability for her. --Kevin Murray 03:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete. If we keep these, every reality TV/game show contestant would get notability. Having their names in the main article is enough. 216.36.121.170 03:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite. American Idol does get far, far more viewers every week than any other similar show, so it does have significantly greater notability right off the bat. However, there is no point in creating nothing but stubs. If at least a Start-class article can be made out of them, then I think they should stand. CrazyC83 04:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Jordin Sparks per WP:Notability. She has 2 albums, has been in magazines, etc. She is notable even without being an Idol contestant. Redirect the others. -- Black Falcon 04:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep if not a stub (i.e. Jordin Sparks), otherwise redirect back to American Idol (season 6). Length should be the defining factor at this point since they are on equal footing. CrazyC83 04:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. According to the Idol Wikiproject, Semi-finalists can have their own page. And if you look at season 5, they had their own page until they were eliminated. What's the big deal folks? These pages have existed for what. 3 days? 4 days? Of course they are small. If it's 3-4 weeks from now and they are still this small or the contestant has been eliminated, then redirect. But it's too early right now. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 04:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per User:Woohookitty; time will tell whether they are worthy of staying as articles. Wasted Time R 04:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete except for Sparks, unless they are shown to individually pass notability guidelines for entertainers. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 08:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for now, per guidelines at the Idol WikiProject. American Idol has much more cultural resonance than shows like Beauty and the Geek or Hell's Kitchen, and there's already a substantial amount of interest in this year's contestants. Let's not be too aggressive with deleting these; we'll probably have to restore most of them later. Note that each of these names registers at least 100 Google News hits, so they may already meet a strict interpretation of WP:N.Zagalejo 08:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Survivor and The Price is Right also get good ratings, should we make pages for their contestants as well? Even the best winners on these shows don't have articles and AI is no different. 24.185.47.131 (talk)
    • You are wrong about Survivor — Category:Survivor contestants shows that over 70 Survivor contestants have their own articles. Wasted Time R 13:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Contestants on The Price is Right usually appear for one episode and are quickly forgotten. Idol contestants remain in the public eye for at least a few weeks, and the audience gets to know them pretty well through all the little human interest segments. It's wrong to call AI "just another game show." Zagalejo 17:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all except Keep Jordin Sparks. Sparks' article was here long before she was on Idol. Elle Bee 12:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
no opinion about others. Elle Bee 12:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Robyn Troup is misplaced here. Troup's notability is not based on American Idol, for which she was cut, but for winning a different high-profile competition, appearing on the Grammy Awards, and gaining a recording contract. Wasted Time R 13:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Correct on Robyn Troup. Keep her, as it is a fair-sized article already. Even if she wasn't on AI, she should have an article. CrazyC83 15:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Hendry1307 14:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Redirect per TBC as idolcruft. Names are NN outside of the American Idol fandom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.120.75.157 (talk) 18:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]
  • Well, American Idol's fanbase is several million strong. Larger than a lot of countries. Zagalejo 19:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep per Woohookitty. --Briancua 19:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect. per nominator. 172.161.115.143 23:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is getting quite tangled. I'd like to see separate Afds for each of these articles, not a mass Afd. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 00:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per this discussion (which is where the Idol WikiProject guideline came from). Tennis DyNamiTe (sign here) 03:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • COMMENT Please forgive me if I have placed this comment in here incorrectly, I am still learning Wikipedia. Regarding entry on Robyn Troup. She should still have her own page and should not be an American Idol Season 6 redirect as she was first noted for an event other than AI. The page was created before public knowledge of her involvement in AI and should stand as separate. However; I could not locate a source regarding her contract with Tennmen Records or any record company. I could not locate the existence of Tennmen Records at all. The sole record company located as being owned by Justin Timberlake is JayTee Records and there has been no mention of signing the artist Robyn Troup. I feel the Tennmen section should be deleted. LadyLyoness 04:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC) (copied from discussion page as placed by new user) --Kevin Murray 04:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The high viewership of Idol turns the contestants into celebrities with enough coverage in the newspapers to satisfy WP:BIO guidelines. Also, Idol is a notch better than "reality shows" in that getting to the finals there demonstrate a certain level of talent which the music industry does look at. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If they have contracts and record songs, by all means. But being on a reality TV/game show alone is not enough to establish notibility, since they're long forgotton after the season is over. 24.185.47.131 (talk)
  • Delete all except Robin and Jordin. --theblueflamingoSquawk 07:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all except for contestants who may have been notable outside Idol. --Howard the Duck 08:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all. They're all "notable" for being finalists on the top rated competition in the United States. --badlydrawnjeff talk 12:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect all to AI (except Jordin & Robyn), with Category:Redirects with possibilities, until Final 12 is announced, then keep final 12 contestants and delete others. Elle Bee 19:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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